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Paul H
14-07-07, 08:15
First they said it was about WMDs, then about "regime change", then about "democracy and liberation", then about the "war on terror". But when the dust finally settles, what the illegal Iraq war will most be remembered for will be the mass murder of innocent civilians by the so called "liberators".

These true accounts are not "Al-Qaeda" propaganda, but are actual testimonies from US soldiers of what they have seen and done in Iraq.

And this is just the tip of the iceberg.

"I'll tell you the point where I really turned... [there was] this little, you know, pudgy little two-year-old child with the cute little pudgy legs and she has a bullet through her leg... An IED [improvised explosive device] went off, the gun-happy soldiers just started shooting anywhere and the baby got hit. And this baby looked at me... like asking me why. You know, 'Why do I have a bullet in my leg?'... I was just like, 'This is, this is it. This is ridiculous'." (Specialist Michael Harmon, 24, of Brooklyn, 167th Armour Regiment, 4th Infantry Division. In Al-Rashidiya on 13-month tour beginning in April 2003)

"I guess while I was there, the general attitude was, 'A dead Iraqi is just another dead Iraqi... You know, so what?'... [Only when we got home] in... meeting other veterans, it seems like the guilt really takes place, takes root, then."( Specialist Jeff Englehart, 26, of Grand Junction, Colorado, 3rd Brigade, 1st Infantry. In Baquba for a year beginning February 2004)

"A lot of guys really supported that whole concept that if they don't speak English and they have darker skin, they're not as human as us, so we can do what we want." (Specialist Josh Middleton, 23, of New York City, 2nd Battalion, 82nd Airborne Division. Four-month tour in Baghdad and Mosul beginning December 2004)

"We were approaching this one house... and we're approaching, and they had a family dog. And it was barking ferociously, cause it's doing its job. And my squad leader, just out of nowhere, just shoots it... So I see this dog - I'm a huge animal lover... this dog has, like, these eyes on it and he's running around spraying blood all over the place. And like, you know, what the hell is going on? The family is sitting right there, with three little children and a mom and a dad, horrified. And I'm at a loss for words." (Specialist Philip Chrystal, 23, of Reno, 3rd Battalion, 116th Cavalry Brigade. In Kirkuk and Hawija on 11-month tour beginning November 2004)

"I just remember thinking, 'I just brought terror to someone under the American flag'." (Sergeant Timothy John Westphal, 31, of Denver, 18th Infantry Brigade, 1st Infantry Division. In Tikrit on year-long tour beginning February 2004)

Sgt Dougherty described her squad leader shooting an Iraqi civilian in the back in 2003. "The mentality of my squad leader was like, 'Oh, we have to kill them over here so I don't have to kill them back in Colorado'," she said. "He just seemed to view every Iraqi as a potential terrorist."

"Every person opened fire on this kid, using the biggest weapons we could find..." (Sergeant Patrick Campbell, 29, of Camarillo, California, 256th Infantry Brigade. In Abu Gharth for 11 months beginning November 2004)

"People would make jokes about it, even before we'd go into a raid, like, 'Oh ****, we're gonna get the wrong house'. Cause it would always happen. We always got the wrong house." (Sergeant Jesus Bocanegra, 25, of Weslaco, Texas 4th Infantry Division. In Tikrit on year-long tour that began in March 2003)

"Cover your own butt was the first rule of engagement. Someone could look at me the wrong way and I could claim my safety was in threat." (Lieutenant Brady Van Engelen, 26, of Washington DC, 1st Armoured Division. Eight-month tour of Baghdad beginning Sept 2003)

http://news.independent.co.uk/world/americas/article2758829.ece

SamReeves
14-07-07, 17:04
The tip of a small iceburg. From what I've heard at Naval Postgraduate School from people who were actually there, Iraq is no picnic, but not the damnation you make it out to be. Good things are happening. Iraqis are voting, the violence is receeding, and more Iraqi army units are being stood up. PRT's are out there in the rural villages putting up schools. Papers like the Independent love to hash the negatives but they will never report on the positives.

Scottlee
14-07-07, 17:16
The tip of a small iceburg. From what I've heard at Naval Postgraduate School from people who were actually there, Iraq is no picnic, but not the damnation you make it out to be. Good things are happening. Iraqis are voting, the violence is receeding, and more Iraqi army units are being stood up. PRT's are out there in the rural villages putting up schools. Papers like the Independent love to hash the negatives but they will never report on the positives.

On the contrary, all I seem to read in the papers is the garbage propaganda making out that England/USA have become the saviours of the universe. You generally have to come online to small little corners like this one to read accounts such as those listed here.

SamReeves
14-07-07, 18:30
On the contrary, all I seem to read in the papers is the garbage propaganda making out that England/USA have become the saviours of the universe. You generally have to come online to small little corners like this one to read accounts such as those listed here.

Ha!!! You should read the American newspapers and watch a little CNN. There are so many slams against the military and Iraq. They will make you think Iraq is on fire from the Kurdish provinces to the Gulf. :rolleyes:

Jacob x5
14-07-07, 18:41
Regardless of whether or not it's all negatives, SamReeves, accounts such as this can't go ignored.

Larangelina
14-07-07, 18:52
The tip of a small iceburg. From what I've heard at Naval Postgraduate School from people who were actually there, Iraq is no picnic, but not the damnation you make it out to be. Good things are happening. Iraqis are voting, the violence is receeding, and more Iraqi army units are being stood up. PRT's are out there in the rural villages putting up schools. Papers like the Independent love to hash the negatives but they will never report on the positives.

The least news that some1 to ever beleive is CNN or Western News bcoz it is all forged to show that US is right and she's fighting terror.. yet it is extremly the opposite..

All those alqaida and stuff are the creation of US itself... just to disrepute the arabian people...

There is a saying for Prophet Mohammed (Peace be upon him:

He asked God to praise many countires around the world...
and when he finished a fiend got up and told him, "Master... i see you didnt even mention Iraq... Why?"

the Prophet then told him, "don't even mention its name in front of me... it is a place from where havoc will begin and won't end till the end of time..."

I think this is enough...

SamReeves
14-07-07, 18:56
Accounts that are favorable to the Independent's point of view. I can pick out as many officers at NPS who will say there's been progress outside of the melee in Baghdad. The point is there more to the story.

Mona Sax
14-07-07, 19:24
There's good stuff happening and there's bad stuff happening. IMO it would be shortsighted to ignore either, but overall there are so many people dying because of this war that I think the good stuff's just not worth it. Not to mention there wasn't any reason to go to war in the first place. No matter how you turn it, Saddam Hussein was absolutely no threat to the United States, much less one that justified starting a war.
They will make you think Iraq is on fire from the Kurdish provinces to the Gulf. :rolleyes:
With several hundred civilians dying each day, I think it pretty much is.

Mad Tony
14-07-07, 19:39
All those alqaida and stuff are the creation of US itself... just to disrepute the arabian people...
And what evidence do you have to back this up?

Geck-o-Lizard
14-07-07, 20:00
On the contrary, all I seem to read in the papers is the garbage propaganda making out that England/USA have become the saviours of the universe. You generally have to come online to small little corners like this one to read accounts such as those listed here.

They were the cover story of Thursday's Independent newspaper. :p

Mr.Burns
14-07-07, 20:39
The least news that some1 to ever beleive is CNN or Western News bcoz it is all forged to show that US is right and she's fighting terror.. yet it is extremly the opposite..

All major news corporations skewer the news to meet their agendas, whatever they may be.

Scottlee
14-07-07, 21:25
They were the cover story of Thursday's Independent newspaper. :p

I'm more of a....The Observer...kind of....guy

Scottlee
14-07-07, 21:25
Oh ok I read The Sun.

Whatever.

Paul H
15-07-07, 06:12
What these accounts from American soldiers do is nail the lie that the only people deliberately bringing misery to the lives of ordinary Iraqis are the "insurgents". This proves that, contrary to all the propaganda, it’s not all "their fault". The US needs to take a look at the type of totally unsuitable people it is sending in there, and at the training they are given, and to stop insulting everyone’s intelligence by calling them "liberators".

How are so many psychopaths able to join the US military and then be put into positions patrolling civilian areas? And it isn’t just a few low level individuals who may have somehow gone crazy because of the war itself. This seems to be part of a culture of believing: "Hey, we’re in charge here and we can do anything we like to these people, and there’s nobody to stop us." Some of these people have even been promoted. The one who shot the civilian in the back so he won’t "have to kill them back in Colorado" was a squad leader. The thug who shot that family’s dog for no reason was another squad leader. These people are out of control and there seems to be nobody reining them in.

It’s bad enough that there is no proper psychological screening process to keep such people out of the military in the first place, but even worse that nothing is being done to remove them once such facts come to light.