View Full Version : I want my money back. This game is appaling.
Totally devoid of imagination. It seems a team of amateurs decided to cash in on the name.
The room with the ledges is just irritating and mind-numbingly boring. Our dog could have made a netter job of the way the camera handles on the fifth ledge. There's hard/entertaining and hard/dull and I'm afraid this section of the game manages to be even more dull than the rest of it.
That's me finished with Tomb Raider. There's far more entertaining games out there these days.
AnthonyShock1515
26-07-07, 16:20
Hold on, where are you up to?
coolaideonfire
26-07-07, 16:24
Hold on, where are you up to?
I get the impression he's up to Palace Midas.
Totally devoid of imagination. It seems a team of amateurs decided to cash in on the name.
The room with the ledges is just irritating and mind-numbingly boring. Our dog could have made a netter job of the way the camera handles on the fifth ledge. There's hard/entertaining and hard/dull and I'm afraid this section of the game manages to be even more dull than the rest of it.
That's me finished with Tomb Raider. There's far more entertaining games out there these days.
uou, you actually just became a member here to make that one post trashing tomb raider anniversary and saying you are done with the series? lol
The room with the ledges is just irritating and mind-numbingly boring.
lol. Which room with the ledges? Every room is nothing but ledges ;) I know what you mean and I agree, but give the other games a chance. They're nothing like Anniversary.
uou, you actually just became a member here to make that one post trashing tomb raider anniversary and saying you are done with the series? lol
Call me a conscientious consumer. I wish someone had warned me how crap this game is.
Sell your game on eBay and you will have your money back then ! :p
Eddie Haskell
26-07-07, 16:36
Call me a conscientious consumer. I wish someone had warned me how crap this game is.
You should have played the demo first like I did. That's how I found out it was crap. ;)
Well said, Eddie ! :tmb:
A demo is a good example of what the game will be. It's here to be played. The rest is a matter of taste.
frodrigues
26-07-07, 16:41
Well, you could have never been warned. What you call "crap" is actually an "opinion", and that changes from player to player.
Well, you could have never been warned. What you call "crap" is actually an "opinion", and that changes from player to player.
exacly, opinions vary a lot, you should have tried the demo to make up your mind about it. Try e-bay or amazon to sell it ;)
Postalisback
26-07-07, 16:50
I dunno, the only problems I've had with Anniversary so far is the glitch I got where I was stuck in a cutscene, the camera thing isnt really a problem because I have guessed where ledges are so far (haha good guesses I guess :D)
Totally devoid of imagination. It seems a team of amateurs decided to cash in on the name.
The room with the ledges is just irritating and mind-numbingly boring. Our dog could have made a netter job of the way the camera handles on the fifth ledge. There's hard/entertaining and hard/dull and I'm afraid this section of the game manages to be even more dull than the rest of it.
That's me finished with Tomb Raider. There's far more entertaining games out there these days.
And you found it nessecary to register to tell that you dont come here anymore because you dont like the game?
why did you sign up to tomb raider forum knowing you don't like the games it just cloggs up the server with trash accouts and threads
Well, I feel sorry for you. But the others are right. You should have tried out the demo first. Maybe you could sell it and buy another game :)
The OP was very specific about where they were and their complaints with the game :rolleyes:
the bigest problem in the camera is when you have the poles that go down with your weight and the camera messes up, with lara starting to do stupid things, like moving back and forward in the pole... but for me this game is far better than legends...
and shed, consider using a walkthrough... sometimes it helps!
SoulReaver74
26-07-07, 17:31
Your'e clearly Mad!, not only do you go out of your'e way to sign up but trash Anniversary in the process, these are action's of a lunatic, but hay your'e entitled to an opinion. :mad:
Your'e clearly Mad!, not only do you go out of your'e way to sign up but trash Anniversary in the process, these are action's of a lunatic, but hay your'e entitled to an opinion. :mad:
Calling someone a 'lunatic' and 'mad' for his/her opinion is not only disrespectful, but shows the lack of acquiescence ability when someone has different views about something.
If the thread started would've said "I love this game, it's the best TR ever!" and would go away after a total number of 2 posts, I bet that none of you people would try to strangle him/her.
Your loss of money is your punishment for not liking this great game :P.
(btw no one can give your money back here so i suggest next time try a demo or something)
cristina8992
26-07-07, 18:58
OK, so you didn't like it. But don't say that my favourite game is "crap". Trust me, there are worse games out there. Besides, there's always Ebay.
And come on, you registered just to bash the game?...
BrumRaider
26-07-07, 19:01
Imagine your driving along the road. There's no one around except you and the car infront and you smash into that car accidentaly bcus you wasnt used to driving the brand new car. Is it the car manufacturers fault?. No it isnt its the "drivers" fault offcourse.
Edit: My point (if no one got it) was the person should give it some time and learn the controls. But hey he/she decided to bash the whole game intead of doing so.
Case closed.
BrumRaider
Yuna´s Wish
26-07-07, 19:03
Sell it for money and you´ll get money :)
all of you shouldn't be so hard on him/her... you should respect other people oppinion and the true is that he/she is right in some aspects, and you don't know if he/her don't played the other games and liked it! just give it a try, use a walkthrough, something... perhps you'll have another opinion of the game!
touchmyheart
26-07-07, 19:05
Ok, apart from being stuck (on which level btw? as Dakaruch said a walkthrough is your friend :)) what else about the game bothers you? Its always best to back up negative opinions with examples. Otherwise, as suggested above you can always sell the game but I suggest you complete it first. You might prefer some of the later levels...
Yuna´s Wish
26-07-07, 19:13
I don´t know who he/she is, what he/she is like, what he/she likes or dislikes, but I defnitely know he/she is unwilling to keep playing. He just logged in the forums to state it clearly :D Perhaps he/she has had a terrible experience while playing it (maybe a bunch of terrible experiences) but he has definitely given up (as many others). I might be a "perpetual optimist", as Eddie called me, but I don´t judge a game until I have played, at least, 75% of the game (in my case).
touchmyheart
26-07-07, 19:15
I don´t know who he/she is, what he/she is like, what he/she likes or dislikes, but I defnitely know he/she is unwilling to keep playing. He just logged in the forums to state it clearly :D Perhaps he/she has had a terrible experience while playing it (maybe a bunch of terrible experiences) but he has definitely given up (as many others). I might be a "perpetual optimist", as Eddie called me, but I don´t judge a game until I have played, at least, 75% of the game (in my case).
Im the same, unless its truely awful. And if Im really unsure about anything I rent it first :D
Eddie Haskell
26-07-07, 19:16
OK, so you didn't like it. But don't say that my favourite game is "crap". Trust me, there are worse games out there. Besides, there's always Ebay.
And come on, you registered just to bash the game?...
I also think that your favorite game is crap. Yep, crap. Did I say that I believe the game is crap? Maybe I'm wrong though, perhaps I should like it because you love it. ;) You know though, I just have to mention in passing that I think the game is crap. :D
He's entitled to express his opinion that he thinks the game is crapola.
FullmetalEd
26-07-07, 19:19
Totally devoid of imagination. It seems a team of amateurs decided to cash in on the name.
The room with the ledges is just irritating and mind-numbingly boring. Our dog could have made a netter job of the way the camera handles on the fifth ledge. There's hard/entertaining and hard/dull and I'm afraid this section of the game manages to be even more dull than the rest of it.
That's me finished with Tomb Raider. There's far more entertaining games out there these days.
You know, I recently had a thread that had over 100 responses, and that one bolded sentence up there sums up almost the whole thing:hug::hug::hug:
I know how you feel with the legdes they make me want to cut myself (exageration (just barely:p))
Everyone says "game quality is a matter of "taste"", but it's not. We know that.
I now use TRA as a coaster!:D
Yuna´s Wish
26-07-07, 19:21
Im the same, unless its truely awful. And if Im really unsure about anything I rent it first :D
:tmb: Glad I´m not the only one. Still, he/she must have thought, right from the beginning, that this game was truely awful and acted as you or I would. Personally, I don´t understand how or why he logged in, dropped the bomb, and logged out. BUT I don´t understand many things so this is just one of them :)
Call me a conscientious consumer. I wish someone had warned me how crap this game is.
No one else warned you cos no one else hated it. Read the reviews
touchmyheart
26-07-07, 19:23
Im sure he/she'll come back to check the responses and maybe offer further insight (at least I hope). For now we play the waiting game...
cristina8992
26-07-07, 19:26
I also think that your favorite game is crap. Yep, crap. Did I say that I believe the game is crap? Maybe I'm wrong though, perhaps I should like it because you love it. ;) You know though, I just have to mention in passing that I think the game is crap. :D
He's entitled to express his opinion that he thinks the game is crapola.
My point is that there is a difference between saying that in your opinion the game is crap and saying that the game actually is crap.
Shark_Blade
26-07-07, 19:34
Maybe you suck at games. Or you just like another shooting game.
Yuna´s Wish
26-07-07, 19:37
Even if we meant to guess anything about him/her we wouldn´t be able to. If only I know his/her gender I´d stop writing "him/her"...
FullmetalEd
26-07-07, 19:44
Even if we meant to guess anything about him/her we wouldn´t be able to. If only I know his/her gender I´d stop writing "him/her"...
Or, you could just write "they" :o
Eddie Haskell
26-07-07, 19:46
Or, you could just write "they" :o
Or it. Or you. Or amigo. Or, "the person who bought the game without knowing anything about it and then found out is was crap". ;)
Yuna´s Wish
26-07-07, 19:51
"the person who bought the game without knowing anything about it and then found out is was crap". ;)
I think I´ll choose that option: copying and pasting it every time I have to talk about "the person who bought the game without knowing anything about it and then found out is was crap". I´m sure that "the person who bought the game without knowing anything about it and then found out is was crap" would like it this way.
Shark_Blade
26-07-07, 19:52
^Oh speak English will you? :p
Serves you right for going out and buying something you didn't really even try out before hand. :p Test out things before making a decision, and be happy the game was only 30 and not 50 like legend. Look on the bright side... you totally bought the game and made the series some money, basically telling eidos that TR should remain this way due to the great reviews from media outlets and now good sales :) xD
FullmetalEd
26-07-07, 20:06
Serves you right for going out and buying something you didn't really even try out before hand. :p Test out things before making a decision, and be happy the game was only 30 and not 50 like legend.
Maybe he saw it advertised, and thought "hey, that looks cool". The majority of video games coming out today do not get 1/10 the amount of screens, videos, or even a demo, like TR currently has, before release.
Have you seen any next-gen game put a demo out for computer users (aka for the 360, ps3) at all? Much less that resembled anything similar to the final product? (keyboard x game controller= WTF:confused: )
Most gamers aren't "Forum Cralwers" who literally check their game's forum every 10 minutes after the first anouncement is made just to see what else has been released.
A lot of gamers don't even go to forums at all! They see the game ads on TV, or IGN.com, or wherever, and make their decision based off of that.
Seriously, say this player bought the game a few days ago; do you know any game sites hyping up the TRA demo, or even hosting it, anymore?
So, they decided they really don't like the game; then they go to look for a place to talk about it.
Who would even consider that a forum would have things like demos and hundreds of screens per game in the first place?!
Eddie Haskell
26-07-07, 20:23
I can afford to throw money away as this person did, but I don't. If I am going to buy a computer game that I plan to spend many hours playing and hopefully enjoying, than I am also going to at the very least find out more about it. I always look for a demo, it never hurts to see what everything is like before taking the plunge. If he made an impulse decision in a store, than he deserves the "crap".
I mean, just google the game for cryin' out loud. You don't have to be a forum member to find out a lot of info about a game.
You're at least honest, but as others said, demo's your first shot at a game before buying it, that's why it's there.
touchmyheart
26-07-07, 20:40
FullmetalED: I can understand what you're saying about the demos. You're right, many games do mot release a demo prior to release. But another useful option is renting games before you make the commitment to buy. Shed had that option too did he/she not? (dammit :D)
Eddie Haskell
26-07-07, 20:50
FullmetalED: I can understand what you're saying about the demos. You're right, many games do mot release a demo prior to release. But another useful option is renting games before you make the commitment to buy. Shed had that option too did he/she not? (dammit :D)
I don't think that option exists for the pc player. The person who bought the game without knowing anything about it and then found out is was crap might be a pc player.
touchmyheart
26-07-07, 20:51
^ good point. See, I need to know these things!!! :D
I understand, this game deffinately was not worth my money (even worster than Legend).
By the way Legend is really good game to waste money on, there is many intresting things in it and it is cheap now. And one more thing - AOD is also good.
Maybe he found it too damn difficult and just gave up.
cristina8992
26-07-07, 21:09
Maybe he found it too damn difficult and just gave up.
That's also a possibility. I almost gave up at the Obelisk Of Khamoon. Oh, the frustration!!!:p
No one else warned you cos no one else hated it. Read the reviews
Who exactly is this "No one else"? The media maybe? ;)
My point is that there is a difference between saying that in your opinion the game is crap and saying that the game actually is crap.
I think it implies. Just because doesn't type IMO, doesn't mean they mean it as a fact. I believe this game is crappier than crap itself. A cheap shot to shut the fans up. That's what I believe.
Your'e clearly Mad!, not only do you go out of your'e way to sign up but trash Anniversary in the process, these are action's of a lunatic, but hay your'e entitled to an opinion. :mad:
This is not only nonsense, but also disrespectful and show lack of maturity. First you're calling him/her (thread starter, state your gender pls) mad and a lunatic for trashing TRA, then he/she's entitled to their opinion.
Way to dress up an attack on the haters.
That's also a possibility. I almost gave up at the Obelisk Of Khamoon. Oh, the frustration!!!:p
I nearly did on that Great Pyramid one, ooo the hatred that I had for that women haha I know its me all me!
Why isnt this shed responding? bit weird
Eddie Haskell
26-07-07, 21:20
RAID, every time I read one of your posts, and then look at your avatar, it kinda freaks me out. :yik: Your avatar adds a lot to your presence, and certainly your "location" is an additional reason to cause a sense of apprehension. So now that you are writing venomous anti-Anniversary posts (3 cheers from me btw!) the combination is just devastating. ;)
cristina8992
26-07-07, 21:21
Shed seems to be offline, that's why he/she isn't responding. I guess we scared him/her off. :vlol:
Bah, demo's don't reveal all, they suggest there is more interesting things to do a lot of times and sadly you find out it's a one trick pony and the demo showed the best parts. I used to look for demos in game magazines before all the internet sites and still got burned on games. Have about 2 dozen racing games, maybe 4 or 5 are keepers.
Ward Dragon
26-07-07, 21:24
^ Maybe Shed's at work or something :)
@ Shed, I liked Anniversary but I know how you feel because I got burned in the past by buying a game on sheer faith in the series name and then finding out it totally sucked (I'm referring to Myst: Uru, which I think was awful and had nothing to do with Myst 1-3). It's probably not what you want to hear, but just be happy that you learned your lesson for $30 instead of $50. Now you know to look online first for news, screenshots, demos, etc. before buying a game. Plus, like other people said, you may be able to sell it online if you wanted to and get your money back :)
FullmetalEd
26-07-07, 21:25
I nearly did on that Great Pyramid one, ooo the hatred that I had for that women haha I know its me all me!
Why isnt this shed responding? bit weird
I just want to say that I find it funny how nobody says the game was "tricky" or "challenging" anymore, just plain "frustrating". :cln:
A real game challenges, excites, gets the adrenaline pumpin' when you are so close to getting it. . . .but don't. And you're excited and pumped to do it again.
Everyone here just says these "frustrating" parts say it so negitively, it speaks for itself:ohn:
cristina8992
26-07-07, 21:30
The only parts that were really frustrating were the ones where Lara wouldn't grab a ledge that she was supposed to and then you would have to repeat the same section 10 times before realising that manual grab wasn't working.:hea:
Ward Dragon
26-07-07, 21:31
I just want to say that I find it funny how nobody says the game was "tricky" or "challenging" anymore, just plain "frustrating". :cln:
I don't know if it has to do with luck or skill (probably luck on my part:p) but some people experience a little challenge and then get past it without any real aggravation so they don't really think it was too tricky or challenging, just fun, easy, etc. Then other people for some reason have a lot of trouble at a few specific parts, waste a ridiculously long time getting past it, and it was very frustrating for them. I guess it just depends on whether the camera/controls play along or not, whether a person thinks the game was reasonable and fun or stupid and frustrating.
Eddie Haskell
26-07-07, 21:32
I just want to say that I find it funny how nobody says the game was "tricky" or "challenging" anymore, just plain "frustrating". :cln:
A real game challenges, excites, gets the adrenaline pumpin' when you are so close to getting it. . . .but don't. And you're excited and pumped to do it again.
Everyone here just says these "frustrating" parts say it so negitively, it speaks for itself:ohn:
I looked into my crystal ball (ie the demo) and foresaw my burgeoning frustration as I played the game due to my hatred of the camera and the controls. Therefore I made the intelligent move and did not play the full game. Instead I am playing Thief 2 again along with my daily Oblivion jaunts. :)
The only parts that were really frustrating were the ones where Lara wouldn't grab a ledge that she was supposed to and then you would have to repeat the same section 10 times before realising that manual grab wasn't working.:hea:
or that the camera is a piece of ****! i'm sick of making a stupid ledge jumt about ten times just becuase the camera isn't in the right spot!
this is really a pain in the ass for making the time trials
I just want to say that I find it funny how nobody says the game was "tricky" or "challenging" anymore, just plain "frustrating". :cln:
A real game challenges, excites, gets the adrenaline pumpin' when you are so close to getting it. . . .but don't. And you're excited and pumped to do it again.
Everyone here just says these "frustrating" parts say it so negitively, it speaks for itself:ohn:
No no dont get me wrong I love a challenge but when Im not doing somthing for weeks, then It tend to grate on the old nerves haha I always blame Lara for my crapness though hahaha Its me!! I admit it!!! :cln:
cristina8992
26-07-07, 21:38
or that the camera is a piece of ****! i'm sick of making a stupid ledge jumt about ten times just becuase the camera isn't in the right spot!
this is really a pain in the ass for making the time trials
Add my faulty mouse and... Fried DVD, anyone?:D
FullmetalEd
26-07-07, 21:40
I looked into my crystal ball (ie the demo) and foresaw my burgeoning frustration as I played the game due to my hatred of the camera and the controls. Therefore I made the intelligent move and did not play the full game. Instead I am playing Thief 2 again along with my daily Oblivion jaunts. :)
:vlol: You are so sarcastic, it's so funny to read!:jmp:
Lara_Lover32
26-07-07, 21:41
all the games was leadg jumping dont get me wrong i love all the tr games but mosly all of them was leadg jumping and i loved tra but thats my a opinon
Yuna´s Wish
26-07-07, 22:04
Oh yes! It´s wonderful how many people talk about frustration these days :)
Frustration is always negative, it can´t be positive...I happen to read a lot of posts and those who feel frustrated for a long time tend to stop playing. Still, there are those who claim the need of frustration to make a good TR game. And there are also those who claim the need of frustration, play it, feel frustrated and stop playing. Wonderfully enough, all those people who like frustration and explain TR is about frustration, ignore there´s always something behind frustration (it´s just what I think, feel free to say whatever you want though): ACHIEVEMENT. Whenever you´re stuck, you try and try until you can do it and once you do it you feel that glorious sense of achievement that surpasses any kind of frustration. I feel pity for those who give up because of a bug or two or 1,560 bugs (highly improbable unless: a- their pc is quite damaged; b- their disc is quite damaged; c- their PS2 is quite damaged; d- people like being dramatic) when they just played the 1st level (yes, 1,560 bugs in the 1st level is improbable...maybe along the entire game, mmm). I won´t talk about Anniversary....but 4 years ago I was playing in a level called "Le Serpent Rouge" and whenever I climbed up to the lights the screen turned pitch black and all I could do was listening to the background music. I tried 13 times (not 12 nor 14, 13!) trying different jumps and avoiding certain triggers of the bug)...the next day I finished AOD. Of course, you may keep ranting.
Then again, I don´t know who I´m talking to, or what this thread is about...I found myself talking about the very creator of the thread since its topic seemed to be: "it´s over, give me my money, it´s ****" Why was I talking about shed? :mad:
As Yuna Wish said frustraition is good in TR games it gives you a great feeling when you acheive your goal (ie for those of you who had a hard time on the 3rd wall run thing in Atlantis and once you finally got it didnt you just feel like dancing around the room yelling for joy because you did it and were proud of yourself)
Shed what level are you at (sorry if this has been posted and I missed it) I would at least give it a chance until you got to Eygpt becuase if you dont like Eygpt then this game isnt for you at all.
As for the future of Tomb Raiders there are many ways to find out if the game is a good buy, screenshots and videos are alwasy good (people alwasy post video walkthroughs and fantrailers soon after and before it is released) the demo its free and has a good amount of gameplay to tell you if you would like it or no, or renting it, unless you only play on the PC then you can go to a game renting place and rent it for a small fee. Remember that CD is improving so I would say give TR onbe more chance.
As for me I am not sure why people go on and on about the ledge jumping, so what they are adding more dificult jumping too and I think that ledge jumping is a nice new addition to TR, controls, they arent a problem for PS2 for most people but I have to admit the defualt PC controls are bad for Anniversary, but the PC version gives you full freedom to change the controls to whatever you like so there isnt any reason to complain about it. The Camera, I only found it difficult only on wallruns and when it jumped to another location instintly which i found it did unfrecuently.
I think that if you dont look for bad things that arent bad just something that is different than what you like, then you will enjoy games and thats what they are for not to be perfect but to be enjoyed.
FullmetalEd
26-07-07, 22:54
As Yuna Wish said frustraition is good in TR games it gives you a great feeling when you acheive your goal (ie for those of you who had a hard time on the 3rd wall run thing in Atlantis and once you finally got it didnt you just feel like dancing around the room yelling for joy because you did it and were proud of yourself)
That may be true, but which would you rather do; have fun with a game's challenges and good controls/camera that work together to create a smooth interaction that depends ONLY on the player's talent, and while playing it, getting feelings of heart pounding, adrenaline inducing EXCITEMENT. Where at the end, you had the craziest thrill and you feel pupmed and have a snce of achievement and you anticipate more?
Or would you rather play a "challenge" of frustrations, that depends mostly on whether or not you can manuver around the poor controls and random camera, and the sense of achievment is the only thing you get out of it, dredding the next "challenge"?
Shed what level are you at (sorry if this has been posted and I missed it) I would at least give it a chance until you got to Eygpt becuase if you dont like Eygpt then this game isnt for you at all.
Dude, if you have to get over half the game to see parts you might enjoy. . .? What the hell?:cln:
Remember that CD is improving so I would say give TR one more chance.
They've had 2 chances to make a decent game. We're not talking about some young intern just getting into the field, this is an EXPERIENCED, PROFFESIONAL company. If they flop on the first game, fine. They couldn't have known how the fans would react. When they KEEP most of the mistakes from the first game and put them into the second game, and then add MORE mistakes, then drop them.
As for me I am not sure why people go on and on about the ledge jumping, so what they are adding more dificult jumping too and I think that ledge jumping is a nice new addition to TR, controls, they arent a problem for PS2 for most people but I have to admit the defualt PC controls are bad for Anniversary, but the PC version gives you full freedom to change the controls to whatever you like so there isnt any reason to complain about it. The Camera, I only found it difficult only on wallruns and when it jumped to another location instintly which i found it did unfrecuently.
If the ledge jumps were actually challenging, as you say, that would be a good thing. But this pretty much sums up most of the lost valley; "jump button, jump button, jump button, OOOH! Jump button TO THE LEFT!!!"
Mind numbing.
I think that if you dont look for bad things that arent bad just something that is different than what you like, then you will enjoy games and thats what they are for not to be perfect but to be enjoyed.
That's the thing, nobody is "looking" for ways to tear TRA down, why would they PAY for a game just to make fun of it?!
It's just the bad parts are so obvious and SO FREQUENT, they can't even be ignored.
Games are meant to be enjoyed, that's why TRA fails, because it is not enjoyable for above reasons.
FomarThain
26-07-07, 23:20
Instead I am playing Thief 2 again along with my daily Oblivion jaunts. :)
Nice, an excellent game.:tmb: I just played through Thief 3 myself about a month ago. Great series. Sorry it is dead.
As for the OP. I feel sorry for the guy. But I do think its a wee bit funny that he joined the forums to post that.:whi: It seems to me the most logical forums to go to would be the official ones.
Anyway as to "frustration". Its seems a near impossible task to balance frustration and challenge in a game since some people are better at some games than others. I imagine you focus test as much as you can and at some point you play it off the cuff. GameSpot gave TRA high marks for hitting the sweet spot. GameSpy gave the puzzles a thumbs down because some were "maddeningly" frustrating. So whadda gonna do?
I will say this, when you hit that sweet spot in a TR game when you figure out that puzzle that has stumped you for a while, it is a mighty fine day.:)
That may be true, but which would you rather do; have fun with a game's challenges and good controls/camera that work together to create a smooth interaction that depends ONLY on the player's talent, and while playing it, getting feelings of heart pounding, adrenaline inducing EXCITEMENT. Where at the end, you had the craziest thrill and you feel pupmed and have a snce of achievement and you anticipate more?
Or would you rather play a "challenge" of frustrations, that depends mostly on whether or not you can manuver around the poor controls and random camera, and the sense of achievment is the only thing you get out of it, dredding the next "challenge"?
Dude, if you have to get over half the game to see parts you might enjoy. . .? What the hell?:cln:
They've had 2 chances to make a decent game. We're not talking about some young intern just getting into the field, this is an EXPERIENCED, PROFFESIONAL company. If they flop on the first game, fine. They couldn't have known how the fans would react. When they KEEP most of the mistakes from the first game and put them into the second game, and then add MORE mistakes, then drop them.
If the ledge jumps were actually challenging, as you say, that would be a good thing. But this pretty much sums up most of the lost valley; "jump button, jump button, jump button, OOOH! Jump button TO THE LEFT!!!"
Mind numbing.
That's the thing, nobody is "looking" for ways to tear TRA down, why would they PAY for a game just to make fun of it?!
It's just the bad parts are so obvious and SO FREQUENT, they can't even be ignored.
Games are meant to be enjoyed, that's why TRA fails, because it is not enjoyable for above reasons.
First: I never said or meant that the camera was challenging and made things difficult I said some parts of the gameplay were challenging sorry for the missunderstanding,
second: I dont think you should have to play half way through a game to enjoy it I think that Eygpt is the most enjoyable part of TRA.
Third: They have improved from Legend, and Legend wasnt horrible to everyone to alto of people it was mroe than decent and TRA was more than decent.
Fourth: I didnt sayt the ledge jumping was hard I meant some of the jumping from platforms was hard at some places.
Fifth: If you think positive and dont think that everything that is different than what you wanted it to is bad than you will enjoy a game even if it isnt what you wanted. I wanted some things different (ie longer Atlantis levels but I still liked TRA)
FullmetalEd
27-07-07, 00:06
First: I never said or meant that the camera was challenging and made things difficult I said some parts of the gameplay were challenging sorry for the missunderstanding,
That's not what you said, correct. It's what I said. You know, to differentiate the difference between "frustration" and a good game.
second: I dont think you should have to play half way through a game to enjoy it I think that Eygpt is the most enjoyable part of TRA.
You just said to the OP "I would at least give it a chance until you got to Eygpt becuase if you dont like Eygpt then this game isnt for you at all."
You just told him to wait until Egypt to see if he liked any part of the game. Heyooooooo!:jmp:
Third: They have improved from Legend, and Legend wasnt horrible to everyone to alto of people it was mroe than decent and TRA was more than decent.
I enjoyed Legend much more. I found it a much better game, even though it was easy, at least the developers didn't add "difficulty", which was actually jsut a poor camera, mind-numbing ledges making up half the game, crappy combat that is only difficult because Lara is way too slow and can't even JUMP out of the way any more, and "frustration" instead of thrill and fun.
Fourth: I didnt sayt the ledge jumping was hard I meant some of the jumping from platforms was hard at some places.
Understood.
Fifth: If you think positive and dont think that everything that is different than what you wanted it to is bad than you will enjoy a game even if it isnt what you wanted. I wanted some things different (ie longer Atlantis levels but I still liked TRA)
I litterally answered this in the post you just responded to!!! Did you just ignore it?
That's the thing, nobody is "looking" for ways to tear TRA down, why would they PAY for a game just to make fun of it?!
It's just the bad parts are so obvious and SO FREQUENT, they can't even be ignored.
Games are meant to be enjoyed, that's why TRA fails, because it is not enjoyable for above reasons.
Well... I'll respect your decision. I have to say TR is not TR anymore in the hands of Crystal Dynamics. They don't seem to listen to the fans... Lara has lost her personality, became into a too-emotional woman. They give too much attetion to her feelings and forget the rest. They just have to balance, and remember who the real Lara is, the Lara we met back in 1996.
I really hope they give us, fans, a really good good game and don't rush things. If they're worried about money only knowing that TR has a huge fan base, then I have to say this is not the way to go. Either make a great TR game, with more puzzles and adventure/exploration just like it used to be, or TR will no longer be a success. It's sad reality. *sighs*
:wve:
PyramidRaider
27-07-07, 00:36
I admit that some of the ledges and the camera angle was a little annoying, but the game wasn't that bad. I thought it was pretty good.
I wouldn't have been able to warn you that the game is crap because, well... it isn't! It's not even close to being anywhere near "crap."
But that of course, is my opinion, and I'll echo all those who said "sell it and get your money back if you're unhappy." In future, try before you buy!
Wow, the OP registered on a TR fansite just to bash the game. Talk about too much time on their hands. Crystal Dynamics deserves better than this.
I have to say TR is not TR anymore in the hands of Crystal Dynamics. They don't seem to listen to the fans...
:wve:
Actually crystal seems to be listening quite a lot. People complained about legend, so they gave us in anniversary a lot of things the fans whined about: a longer game, a harder game, tips off option, manual grab option, ring inventory, small and large medi packs, old style secrets (ding), an outside in croft manor, lara´s though in the diary, more realistic climbing moves, bigger jumps...
I trully believe anniversary is an improvement over legend, and I am pleased about the way cd is going with tomb raider. I hope in tr8 they get rid of blackouts, give us some blood and focus the story more on archeology than in lara´s family, but until then I´ll be replaying anniversary countless times.
Cheers ;)
Eddie Haskell
27-07-07, 02:54
Wow, the OP registered on a TR fansite just to bash the game. Talk about too much time on their hands. Crystal Dynamics deserves better than this.
Let me see......no they don't. CD shouldn't get a free pass from everyone just because they created a game, even at great expense and a ton of effort. Every detractor should come forward to state the reasons for their dissatisfaction so that the company sees where their product stands with all kinds of gamers.
He/she/it may have used quite colorful language to certify his/her/its grievances but he/she/it was angry. I and others have stated the obvious that he/she/it really cannot complain about wasting his/her/its money since he/she/it could have played the demo and attempted to discern the nature and qualities that the game would possess. All this is available online.
So his/her/its complaints about the game are valid, his/her/its wanting his money back is not.
FullmetalEd
27-07-07, 02:54
Wow, the OP registered on a TR fansite just to bash the game. Talk about too much time on their hands. Crystal Dynamics deserves better than this.
How dare you say that about someone you know nothing about! How DARE you attack this person just because you think everyone agrees with you, and you can get away with it!
Maybe this person thought he could find someone to talk to, and since no one even knows about Tomb Raider anymore except the people on forums, he thought he might give it a try.
And saying that he has "too much time on his hands"? This guy could be a full grown man with a family who just likes video games. The fact that this is is first post is probably an indicator that THE GAME SUCKED ENOUGH to make him need to express it so badly, thus, his first post on the forum.
Or hell, maybe it was his first TR game, he tried it, and is first impression was he didn't like it, so, since he had never played a TR game before, he had no reason to be registered at a forum for a game he had never played.
Get it? I respect people who like the games but I will not respect someone who can't defend their game, so they make petty, personal attacks.
Oh, and as for CD deserving more; they already got his chump change, they got what they deserve.
Um. Wow. So sorry. I won't bother you anymore.
Easy people! Lets keep our opinions about the game, and not the people posting here.
Eddie Haskell
27-07-07, 03:05
How dare you say that about someone you know nothing about! How DARE you attack this person just because you think everyone agrees with you, and you can get away with it!
Maybe this person thought he could find someone to talk to, and since no one even knows about Tomb Raider anymore except the people on forums, he thought he might give it a try.
And saying that he has "too much time on his hands"? This guy could be a full grown man with a family who just likes video games. The fact that this is is first post is probably an indicator that THE GAME SUCKED ENOUGH to make him need to express it so badly, thus, his first post on the forum.
Or hell, maybe it was his first TR game, he tried it, and is first impression was he didn't like it, so, since he had never played a TR game before, he had no reason to be registered at a forum for a game he had never played.
Get it? I respect people who like the games but I will not respect someone who can't defend their game, so they make petty, personal attacks.
Oh, and as for CD deserving more; they already got his chump change, they got what they deserve.
I couldn't agree more. That was rude to say the least. For all we know he was so frustrated that he was punching holes in his wall or something and had to get it off his chest. And then he gets insulted for simply stating his opinion. The world is full of opinions and many if not most of them are different from yours. You better get used to it.
FullmetalEd
27-07-07, 03:06
Um. Wow. So sorry. I won't bother you anymore.
You don't have to do that, just don't say things like you did!:hug:
Totally devoid of imagination. It seems a team of amateurs decided to cash in on the name.
The room with the ledges is just irritating and mind-numbingly boring. Our dog could have made a netter job of the way the camera handles on the fifth ledge. There's hard/entertaining and hard/dull and I'm afraid this section of the game manages to be even more dull than the rest of it.
That's me finished with Tomb Raider. There's far more entertaining games out there these days.
watevur :( i loved this game!!!!! :D
No really. I'm really sorry...I really didn't want to start a flame war (if I did I would have went on imdb) it just felt like he posted just to get a rise out of the fans.
huh? :confused:
I was replying to the post above yours. =]
Eddie Haskell
27-07-07, 03:32
I just read the conversation concerning gaming "frustration" and have this to say.
I really love puzzles; no magnitude of size or scope could make me get frustrated or give up. I also love to find alternate routes in games and secrets and constantly attempt to find more challenges within the game itself. Combat is another challenge that I crave, I'm probably one of a handful in here that has actually experienced it mano-e-mano and have unfortunately had to take lives.
But these are challenges in the game that exist to overcome as a real part of the game play. The "frustration" for me is when I have to surmount silly technical blunders and developer miscalculations that should not exist at all. The game is a third person game. So therefore it is supposed to have a third person camera. I know that. However, in Legend (and I might add the demo for Anniversary) there were times that I (Lara) was running towards the camera. Why in Gods name do I want to look at Lara coming toward me (the camera)? Then when one wants to make a movement when Lara is in this position, it is difficult to discern the direction that Lara will take. With her guns out it is even worse. And of course the inability to actually see some of the jumping areas that one needs to see exactly.
So this is frustration to me.
FullmetalEd
27-07-07, 03:36
But these are challenges in the game that exist to overcome as a real part of the game play. The "frustration" for me is when I have to surmount silly technical blunders and developer miscalculations that should not exist at all. The game is a third person game. So therefore it is supposed to have a third person camera. I know that. However, in Legend (and I might add the demo for Anniversary) there were times that I (Lara) was running towards the camera. Why in Gods name do I want to look at Lara coming toward me (the camera)? Then when one wants to make a movement when Lara is in this position, it is difficult to discern the direction that Lara will take. With her guns out it is even worse. And of course the inability to actually see some of the jumping areas that one needs to see exactly.
So this is frustration to me.
SOMEBODY UNDERSTANDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:jmp::jmp::jmp::jmp::jmp ::jmp::jmp::jmp::jmp:
I find it funny that besides you, the only person I can make understand my arguments is my step-dad, Wth?! :cln::)
Eddie Haskell
27-07-07, 03:42
SOMEBODY UNDERSTANDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:jmp::jmp::jmp::jmp::jmp ::jmp::jmp::jmp::jmp:
I find it funny that besides you, the only person I can make understand my arguments is my step-dad, Wth?! :cln::)
That's because they are my "arguments" as well. :)
As you can read, many find these idiosyncrasies "tolerable" and find enough in the game to satisfy them. Some love it through and through. More power to them. I don't have to agree and say so, many times. But FullmetalEd, the game will probably never be what you and I want it to be. Too many like this game with all of it's flaws. So, I moved on.
Totally devoid of imagination. It seems a team of amateurs decided to cash in on the name.
The room with the ledges is just irritating and mind-numbingly boring. Our dog could have made a netter job of the way the camera handles on the fifth ledge. There's hard/entertaining and hard/dull and I'm afraid this section of the game manages to be even more dull than the rest of it.
That's me finished with Tomb Raider. There's far more entertaining games out there these days.
Well if you were posting to get a reaction, congratulations. However I am reminded of Thumper from Bambi here:
If you can't say nuthin' nice, don't say nuthin at all
Hasn't there been enough negative threads already? Post in them.
Whatever.....
Eddie Haskell, you know that you can put the camera behind Lara whenever you want to by hitting L2 on ps2 (not sure what it is on PC sorry) or just moving the camera so why complain about something that you have full control over?
I was replying to the post above yours. =]
oooh ok cool!!!! :D
The game is a third person game. So therefore it is supposed to have a third person camera. I know that. However, in Legend (and I might add the demo for Anniversary) there were times that I (Lara) was running towards the camera. Why in Gods name do I want to look at Lara coming toward me (the camera)? Then when one wants to make a movement when Lara is in this position, it is difficult to discern the direction that Lara will take. With her guns out it is even worse. And of course the inability to actually see some of the jumping areas that one needs to see exactly.
So this is frustration to me.
I play on PS2 and thus have had a lot of experience manipulating a manual camera via the right analogue stick. I honestly wouldn't know if I could manage that on PC though.
I'm extrememly happy with Anniversary and haven't really had any trouble with the camera at all but I keep thinking: how hard would it be to implement a third person camera as you've described, simply as an option, so players could actually choose how the camera is handled. Surely this would be easy to implement, right?
No really. I'm really sorry...I really didn't want to start a flame war (if I did I would have went on imdb) it just felt like he posted just to get a rise out of the fans.
He most likely did.. But who knows for sure. Thats why I hardly ever post... people seem to be very touchy and quick to "bite"
Crystal Dynamics deserves better than this.
Dont feel sorry for saying this, no one deserves to be bashed for their hard work and effort that they put into something only becasue someone doesnt like it.
Dont feel sorry for saying this, no one deserves to be bashed for their hard work and effort that they put into something only becasue someone doesnt like it.
i no right like y is every1 complaining like lara still here but she changed but soo does every1 right? ;) i mean i dont like her omg my mommy but im not like omg cd could do sooo much betr! :(
i no right like y is every1 complaining like lara still here but she changed but soo does every1 right? ;) i mean i dont like her omg my mommy but im not like omg cd could do sooo much betr! :(
I don't think I am alone in saying, HUH? :confused:
He most likely did.. But who knows for sure. Thats why I hardly ever post... people seem to be very touchy and quick to "bite"
I'm sorry you feel that way but dont take any of it personally, dont be afraid to post its always good to hear other peoples opinion and we could find you have very good opinions but we wont know unless you post. :)
I don't think I am alone in saying, HUH? :confused:
I think they are saying that Lara is changing but it isnt a terrible thing people are just mad about changes and even though they dont like the parental storyline of CD's TRs theya rent going around whining and complaining about it.
As they say, the only thing that doesn't change is change itself.
10 years is a long time for a video game series to remain pretty much the same so when it finally does change significantly, some people embrace it and others don't. There is no right or wrong way to react and it all just comes down to personal preference.
Take Resident Evil 4 for instance. It's vastly different from it's predecessors and yet was well received by some and not at all by others.
I also believe that your history with the series (or how much of a veteran fan you think you are) is irrelevant. I've been playing both Tomb Raider and Resident Evil since day one and yet I love their newest incarnations, but other long time fans can't abide the newer titles at all.
I think they are saying that Lara is changing but it isnt a terrible thing people are just mad about changes and even though they dont like the parental storyline of CD's TRs theya rent going around whining and complaining about it.
yeah exactly!!!!!! :D
I had a fair idea what they were saying, just it would be nice then if was typed like, that rather than the text speak. Makes it harder for non english speaking members to understand, thats all. :wve:
I had a fair idea what they were saying, just it would be nice then if was typed like, that rather than the text speak. Makes it harder for non english speaking members to understand, thats all. :wve:
i dont get wat ur trying 2 say? :confused:
Eddie Haskell
27-07-07, 04:48
Eddie Haskell, you know that you can put the camera behind Lara whenever you want to by hitting L2 on ps2 (not sure what it is on PC sorry) or just moving the camera so why complain about something that you have full control over?
It still wobbles all over even when you attempt to stabilize it (that's a laugh), and when you take your weapons out it changes everything again. Plain and simple it is like a drunken cameraman. It looks at things that I don't want to look at, and then doesn't look at what I want to. Makes no sense.
It still wobbles all over even when you attempt to stabilize it (that's a laugh), and when you take your weapons out it changes everything again. Plain and simple it is like a drunken cameraman. It looks at things that I don't want to look at, and then doesn't look at what I want to. Makes no sense.
well if ur on the pc its super hard (only played the demo on pc) but i play on ps2 and its really easy :p
i dont get wat ur trying 2 say? :confused:
My point too:
i dont get wat ur trying 2 say? = I don't know what you are trying to say?
Type it, don't abreviate it, thats all. :wve:
It still wobbles all over even when you attempt to stabilize it (that's a laugh), and when you take your weapons out it changes everything again. Plain and simple it is like a drunken cameraman. It looks at things that I don't want to look at, and then doesn't look at what I want to. Makes no sense.
woobles is a funny word :p:D
On a serious note: When you take you weaons out it just goes behind her so you should know that when you pull out her weapons that it will go behind her which I think is the camera angle that you like so why complain about that? The Camera is just something that is different to different people to some it isnt a problem and is easy to control and to some it is annoying and difficult. But I never had any problems with it besides during the first few minutes of Legend because it was a crastic change for the old Trs I was used to playing but now they both are easy to control.
My point too:
i dont get wat ur trying 2 say? = I don't know what you are trying to say?
Type it, don't abreviate it, thats all. :wve:
oooh k!
Eddie Haskell
27-07-07, 05:08
well if ur on the pc its super hard (only played the demo on pc) but i play on ps2 and its really easy :p
I'm thrilled for you kid. And it might be best if you please try and use proper English grammar, I can barely comprehend what it is you are attempting to say and I hazard a guess that others may as well.
Again, I don't want or expect the developers to alter a game series just because I happen to dislike some aspects of it unless the majority see it the same way. Games come and go, I have/will have many titles to pass my free time presently and upcoming so it's no big loss to me that I find Anniversary a bust. But I will always state my opinion to let it be known that such sentiments exist.
I'm thrilled for you kid. And it might be best if you please try and use proper English grammar, I can barely comprehend what it is you are attempting to say and I hazard a guess that others may as well.
Again, I don't want or expect the developers to alter a game series just because I happen to dislike some aspects of it unless the majority see it the same way. Games come and go, I have/will have many titles to pass my free time presently and upcoming so it's no big loss to me that I find Anniversary a bust. But I will always state my opinion to let it be known that such sentiments exist.
oooh ok sooo do u need me 2 repeat any of that in proper english or did u comprehend it? :confused:
Eddie Haskell
27-07-07, 05:12
woobles is a funny word :p:D
On a serious note: When you take you weaons out it just goes behind her so you should know that when you pull out her weapons that it will go behind her which I think is the camera angle that you like so why complain about that? The Camera is just something that is different to different people to some it isnt a problem and is easy to control and to some it is annoying and difficult. But I never had any problems with it besides during the first few minutes of Legend because it was a crastic change for the old Trs I was used to playing but now they both are easy to control.
Incorrect. They do not stay behind when Lara pulls out her guns. The act of targeting and running make for some really bad instances where one is facing a different enemy than the one that is targeted. So one can actually literally run into an enemy without ever seeing him. There are many other instances when using weapons where the camera truly sucks.
oooh ok sooo do u need me 2 repeat any of that in proper english or did u comprehend it? :confused:
I make it a point not to argue or get upset with little kids. :)
I completely disagree, i thought the imagination was amazing, if you keep on playing i'm positive your opinions will change, it's better than TR1 in my opinion. i mean it's got to be better than jumping from one block to another, surely.
I completely disagree, i thought the imagination was amazing, if you keep on playing i'm positive your opinions will change, it's better than TR1 in my opinion. i mean it's got to be better than jumping from one block to another, surely.
yeah i love the moveable camera its alot easier than holding L1 then move the directional buttons! :D
Incorrect. They do not stay behind when Lara pulls out her guns. The act of targeting and running make for some really bad instances where one is facing a different enemy than the one that is targeted. So one can actually literally run into an enemy without ever seeing him. There are many other instances when using weapons where the camera truly sucks.
I make it a point not to argue or get upset with little kids. :)
huh i mean no disrespect i was asking if u needed me 2 repeate that in proper english? im sorry? :confused:
Incorrect. They do not stay behind when Lara pulls out her guns. The act of targeting and running make for some really bad instances where one is facing a different enemy than the one that is targeted. So one can actually literally run into an enemy without ever seeing him. There are many other instances when using weapons where the camera truly sucks.
Its only hard because you dont know how to control it properly its easy once you get used to it.
I make it a point not to argue or get upset with little kids.
We arent little kids, we (trrocks and I not sure who you meant) are both 13, we have opinions and we arent afraid to argue and just because you are 48 doesnt make you any more right than are and doesnt make your opinion more important well it doesnt here at least. If you have an opinion that differs from some people dont beafraid to argue alittle as long as it doesnt get out of hand (which I dont see from you here)
Shed - the idea (as mentioned) is to read reviews and maybe you could have come here and checked people's opinions out first before buying. I've checked out 4 of the TR games here before buying cheaply on ebay etc and it's made a heap of difference...and another one's arriving in the mail next week. This has to be one of my fave forums.
I also bought PC PowerPlay mag a couple of days ago and tried the TRA demo. Now I can make an informed decision as to whether to buy it. I reckon that's the best way to go about it... Oh, unless you're rich of course then you can try everything out and then complain :D :D
Its only hard because you dont know how to control it properly its easy once you get used to it.
We arent little kids, we (trrocks and I not sure who you meant) are both 13, we have opinions and we arent afraid to argue and just because you are 48 doesnt make you any more right than are and doesnt make your opinion more important well it doesnt here at least. If you have an opinion that differs from some people dont beafraid to argue alittle as long as it doesnt get out of hand (which I dont see from you here)
hey yeah but still i didnt mean disreapect but now i do lol :D jk im really not:mad:
hey yeah but still i didnt mean disreapect but now i do lol :D jk im really not:mad:
disrespect to who, Eddie? Was it about asking if he needed you to translate your post to proper english then that wasnt direspectful it was nice of you to do that when it when hard for them to read it.
disrespect to who, Eddie? Was it about asking if he needed you to translate your post to proper english then that wasnt direspectful it was nice of you to do that when it when hard for them to read it.
nahh i like 2 joke around lol but im mad he called us little kids :mad:
I completely disagree, i thought the imagination was amazing, if you keep on playing i'm positive your opinions will change, it's better than TR1 in my opinion. i mean it's got to be better than jumping from one block to another, surely.
They're both good in their own ways...they're really different. TR1 was much more challenging...keep getting lost...the puzzles in TRA are more interactive of the environments. The level design in TR1 was the real gem though (Egypt levels).
nahh i like 2 joke around lol but im mad he called us little kids :mad:
We are at the age were we want to be seen as adults but adults still see us as kids:p also use proper english it sounds more mature:D
We are at the age were we want to be seen as adults but adults still see us as kids:p also use proper english it sounds more mature:D
r u like a geek or sumthing i hate using proper english nahh thats ok i just dont want 2 k :p
r u like a geek or sumthing i hate using proper english nahh thats ok i just dont want 2 k :p
millions, probobly billions of people on Earth use proper English and not all of them are 'geeks' thank you very much, but whatever it isnt my problem if you didnt learn how to write correctly.
millions, probobly billions of people on Earth use proper English and not all of them are 'geeks' thank you very much, but whatever it isnt my problem if you didnt learn how to write correctly.
no i do use proper english wen im not text messaging and typing on computer but wen im in school i do and wen i write stories and i wuz kidding about the "geek" :p ur cool
Yuna´s Wish
27-07-07, 06:02
People, you´re getting offtopic!
Yes back on topic people.
tr_rocks we people to type in proper english, as I've asked you before, so people from other countries can understand what you are on about.
r u like a geek or sumthing i hate using proper english nahh thats ok i just dont want 2 k :p
Geek has nothing to do with it, or are we to go down the '1 4m 3l1t3' path?
Ok, now, where were we?
Yes back on topic people.
tr_rocks we people to type in proper english, as I've asked you before, so people from other countries can understand what you are on about.
Geek has nothing to do with it, or are we to go down the '1 4m 3l1t3' path?
Ok, now, where were we?
it wuz just a joke about the geek thing but wat is that 14m thing? :confused:
Its Geek speak for "I am elite". You can't understand that, just like people from overseas can't understand what you type. Just courtesy :wve:
Anyway. I think the topic is:
I want my money back. This game is appaling.
please continue.....
To original poster okay first let me tell you something
I bought Dragon quest VIII journey of the curse king and started playing it and got upset because it was so slow and I post dragon quest forums post that I wanting my money back like you're saying about Tomb raider anniversay and the dragon quest fans were kind and upset and told me to give it another try and play it longer than 10 Minutes guess what I took their advice and restart playing dragon quest on my second try of dragon quest I got into and didn't realize I been playing dragon quest over 3 hours and now thanks to dragon quest fans and I love playing dragon quest.
so please give tomb raider anniversary a another
Ok ,Back on topic.
Like what chloe said, give it one more chance and if you dont like it sell it on ebay or amazon, get your money back and be happy about it, and if you like the classic TR levels better try the level editor you can make your own levels like the old TRs and you can play other peoples custom levels and its really fun if you want the classic feeling back.
SoulReaver74
27-07-07, 07:31
Calling someone a 'lunatic' and 'mad' for his/her opinion is not only disrespectful, but shows the lack of acquiescence ability when someone has different views about something.
If the thread started would've said "I love this game, it's the best TR ever!" and would go away after a total number of 2 posts, I bet that none of you people would try to strangle him/her.
O.k i can clearly see i've upset some people on my overreaction to shed's (starter of this Thread) opinion of Anniversary, i know i'ts come across as disrespectful but it was heat of the moment response and i know i'ts everyone's right to have an opinion, so i hope all those who felt my post was out of line can accept my sincere apologies. :)
Totally devoid of imagination. It seems a team of amateurs decided to cash in on the name.
The room with the ledges is just irritating and mind-numbingly boring. Our dog could have made a netter job of the way the camera handles on the fifth ledge. There's hard/entertaining and hard/dull and I'm afraid this section of the game manages to be even more dull than the rest of it.
That's me finished with Tomb Raider. There's far more entertaining games out there these days.
I'm sorry you feel this way. Can't understand why you signed up to the forums just to say that. I would say welcome but there's no point as you're not sticking around.
Zac Medley
27-07-07, 08:02
O.k i can clearly see i've upset some people on my overreacetion to shed's (starter of this Thread) opinion of Anniversary, i know i'ts come across as disrespectful but it was heat of the moment response and i know i'ts everyone's right to have an opinion, so i hope all those who felt my post was out of line can accept my sincerely apologies. :)
I didn't think you over reacted. I agree with you. But I lost touch with reality some time ago. Who really is mad? Someone who is disappointed with a video game, or a group of people who play the games over and over again, logging in to forums every day to argue about minute details of said games. Taking a thread that started as one post by a total stranger and turning it into something 12 pages long with posts that keep getting longer and longer........
Who's mad? :cln:
I volunteer :tea:
Your'e clearly Mad!, not only do you go out of your'e way to sign up but trash Anniversary in the process, these are action's of a lunatic, but hay your'e entitled to an opinion. :mad:
hay is for horses
[sorry, couldn't resist :jmp:]
That's also a possibility. I almost gave up at the Obelisk Of Khamoon. Oh, the frustration!!!:p
"tell me about it janet"
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anyway lets talk topic...
i ahve not gamed for about 2years, partly a change in lifestyle and partly 'family stuff'
TRA intrigued me and made me want to pick up the joypad-of-doom once more ;) (NOTE i have not played since chronicles, which was good but patchey in the QA department)
this was because tr really was so seminal in console gaming and had been a great part of my life in the 90's
i had heard on the ether that the game was worth playing, though had seen no proper reviews or any screen shots. sod it. i bought it.
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i am very impressed.
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to such an extent i am not sure why Sony have bothered rushing through the PS3 when they could have spent the money doing what they sad thay were going to do for the PS2 to strart with (but that's another thread)
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the game is true to the spirit of the original, with all the new features and add ons developed over the last ten years. it is hard in places and that is also why it is good imho there are too many easy and repetitive games on the market.
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now, the game is different than the original... i don't feel it is actually as big and certainly the ability to have in-room animations and changes means that you do not need so many extra corridors/switch rooms compared to tr
and i would agree that the camera is occasionally wonk!, however, this is because on like-for-like the way the camera behaves is programmed differently than tr (as i understand this innovation came in around the tine that reviewers started bemoaning the game quality).
I have persisted and got used to it, mostly. i would encourage nay-sayers to do the same and this is beacuse the graphics and the cumulative experiance are wonderful, by the time you are at the door to the great pyramid... wow!
it's a bit of a long postand i don't suppose Shed is going to read it but there you go!
i came back to gaming for this, i have nearly thrown my controller through the tv a few times, but i am glad i stuck with it :p
People who don't like the game and say it's crap - what do you think of the whole lot of people who actually LOVE it? Do you think we are tasteless, or easy to please, or whatever? ;)
I hate Halo, but I'm not telling anybody it's crap 'cause if so many people likes it, maybe it's because it is NOT crap. But I hate it, I don't like it at all. I see it has great gfx, people say it's got awesome gameplay and athmosphere, but I just don't like it. Same happens with Mario 64 or Zelda Twilight.
IMHO, If I said "Halo 2 is crapier than crap" I would be disrespecting thousands of people who like it. I would be disrespecting the hard work of an allegedly GREAT developing group such as Crystal Dynamics. The "my dog would do better" thing which the original poster said it's way over the top. If your dog could do better, and (I think) you believe you are better than your dog, why don't you code the next Tomb Raider which would be better than this one? ;)
There's "taste" and there's "fact". You don't like it 'cause they didn't make the game the way you wanted them to. It's hard to please everyone... But, in my eye, they have pleased most people. 'Cause I see more praising reviews than dissing ones. Do you feel "superior", "choosen ones"? Do you think you really own the absolute truth than plain mortals can't reach?
The game is far from "bad". Like Halo 2, Mario 64 or Zelda Twilight, three games I absolutely hate only 'cause they don't click with my tastes.
SoulReaver74
27-07-07, 11:14
I didn't think you over reacted. I agree with you. But I lost touch with reality some time ago. Who really is mad? Someone who is disappointed with a video game, or a group of people who play the games over and over again, logging in to forums every day to argue about minute details of said games. Taking a thread that started as one post by a total stranger and turning it into something 12 pages long with posts that keep getting longer and longer........
Who's mad? :cln:
I volunteer :tea:
Cheers Zac, and yes i volunteer!
Eddie Haskell
27-07-07, 13:16
People who don't like the game and say it's crap - what do you think of the whole lot of people who actually LOVE it? Do you think we are tasteless, or easy to please, or whatever? ;)
I hate Halo, but I'm not telling anybody it's crap 'cause if so many people likes it, maybe it's because it is NOT crap. But I hate it, I don't like it at all. I see it has great gfx, people say it's got awesome gameplay and athmosphere, but I just don't like it. Same happens with Mario 64 or Zelda Twilight.
IMHO, If I said "Halo 2 is crapier than crap" I would be disrespecting thousands of people who like it. I would be disrespecting the hard work of an allegedly GREAT developing group such as Crystal Dynamics. The "my dog would do better" thing which the original poster said it's way over the top. If your dog could do better, and (I think) you believe you are better than your dog, why don't you code the next Tomb Raider which would be better than this one? ;)
There's "taste" and there's "fact". You don't like it 'cause they didn't make the game the way you wanted them to. It's hard to please everyone... But, in my eye, they have pleased most people. 'Cause I see more praising reviews than dissing ones. Do you feel "superior", "choosen ones"? Do you think you really own the absolute truth than plain mortals can't reach?
The game is far from "bad". Like Halo 2, Mario 64 or Zelda Twilight, three games I absolutely hate only 'cause they don't click with my tastes.
So what are you saying, that if you don't like something that you must use politically correct wording in order to not offend the ones who like it? Isn't it more like the "chosen ones" would be those who actually liked the game? Because the majority of the people enjoy something the minority must cower and speak softly?
Gimme a break, any amount of criticism would in no manner upset me as a gamer. And as a gaming company, I would want to hear all sides of a games issues, to understand what makes a game palatable to some and shunned by others. The use of the word "crap" is simply a more descriptive one for the individual. I prefer to use the simple word "bad", but that's just me. You use the word "hate", some might find that a bit much as well. And for those who love the game I say that you are the lucky ones. Not tasteless, perhaps easier to please and certainly happier than I.
To conclude, this probably too long thread simply boils down to a few sensitive individuals who for some reason feel that if a person writes something counter to their feelings/opinion about the game, take it as an insult. Why, I don't know. I can guarantee that CD does not. All data is welcomed and needed. While they of course would love to have everyone write glowing tributes to the game, they understand that there are always going to be those who dislike their product. And calling it crap or garbage or anything else is a synonym for bad/don't like, they understand. So if they can accept it, so can you.
Gimme a break, any amount of criticism would in no manner upset me as a gamer. And as a gaming company, I would want to hear all sides of a games issues, to understand what makes a game palatable to some and shunned by others. The use of the word "crap" is simply a more descriptive one for the individual. I prefer to use the simple word "bad", but that's just me. You use the word "hate", some might find that a bit much as well. And for those who love the game I say that you are the lucky ones. Not tasteless, perhaps easier to please and certainly happier than I.
To conclude, this probably too long thread simply boils down to a few sensitive individuals who for some reason feel that if a person writes something counter to their feelings/opinion about the game, take it as an insult. Why, I don't know. I can guarantee that CD does not. All data is welcomed and needed. While they of course would love to have everyone write glowing tributes to the game, they understand that there are always going to be those who dislike their product. And calling it crap or garbage or anything else is a synonym for bad/don't like, they understand. So if they can accept it, so can you.
I agree any game company wants to hear what they need to improve on, but calling it crap doesnt help, saying in detail what is wrong with a game helps them, I could say anything was crap and that wouldnt say anything about why I hate it.
Eddie Haskell
27-07-07, 13:33
I agree any game company wants to hear what they need to improve on, but calling it crap doesnt help, saying in detail what is wrong with a game helps them, I could say anything was crap and that wouldnt say anything about why I hate it.
It's irrelevant, it's his post, his idea's and his expression. Maybe he doesn't want to "help", just expressing his dissatisfaction and getting it off his chest. And he did say why he thinks it's crap.
Totally devoid of imagination...
The room with the ledges is just irritating and mind-numbingly boring.
That is why he thought it was crap. Might sound like a lot to some, and trivial to others but to him it was back-breaking. Some people are harder to please, and thank God the world has them or else we would get just what we deserve; mediocre everything.
ThomasCroft
27-07-07, 13:56
Personally, I believe Anniversary is an amazing step forward towards going back to classic Tomb Raider.
I can appreciate:
- the atmosphere i.e. isolation, spookiness etc.
- the music
- some of the level design
- an increase in difficulty i.e. longer jumping distances, more complex traps etc.
However, there are points for criticism, in my opinion, which are as follows:
- needs an even more spooky atmosphere
- levels, and the overall game, need to be longer
- Lara needs a harsher attitude
- more difficulty in traps and enemies and so on
- more jumping sections with less ledge-hopping ala classic TRs
These are my opinions, both positive and negative, given in a constructive fashion. They shouldn't be enforced upon other people, as some people seem to be doing, but neither should they be 'hushed up'. People need to understand that although we have supposed 'freedom of speech' we need to think about how we say things and what we are saying.
biohazard1379
27-07-07, 14:05
Personally I liked the game, I thought it was well made and I enjoyed playing it. Camera issues didn't bother me too much but yea I guess there were some that annoyed me a little at some points.
But everyone has an opinion, I just don't see why he registered on the forum just to post it and then obviously won't be coming back lol.
Are you jokin' me babes?
Did you join the forum just to tell us that?
Fair enough... now we know.
:wve:
Eddie Haskell
27-07-07, 14:07
Personally, I believe Anniversary is an amazing step forward towards going back to classic Tomb Raider.
I can appreciate:
- the atmosphere i.e. isolation, spookiness etc.
- the music
- some of the level design
- an increase in difficulty i.e. longer jumping distances, more complex traps etc.
However, there are points for criticism, in my opinion, which are as follows:
- needs an even more spooky atmosphere
- levels, and the overall game, need to be longer
- Lara needs a harsher attitude
- more difficulty in traps and enemies and so on
- more jumping sections with less ledge-hopping ala classic TRs
These are my opinions, both positive and negative, given in a constructive fashion. They shouldn't be enforced upon other people, as some people seem to be doing, but neither should they be 'hushed up'. People need to understand that although we have supposed 'freedom of speech' we need to think about how we say things and what we are saying.
Ver nice. However I don't know what you mean by "enforced upon other people". And no offense (really, no offense), but you and I are not the judges of another's feelings or opinions and how they express them. As long as the forum rules are not violated one should speak their mind and not look back.
People get angry. People get upset. It's as natural as a bowel movement. I hear it every day and so do you. I think it's refreshing to read amongst all of the dry and proper stuff (especially my own stuff :p ), as long as it's from the heart and not done to flame. I think that is what we have here; an individual whose frustration in the game led him to post in order to vent. It's a shame that he was seemingly driven away, I hope he returns so that some of you can perhaps help him to solve the ledge problems he was referring to.
So what are you saying, that if you don't like something that you must use politically correct wording in order to not offend the ones who like it? Isn't it more like the "chosen ones" would be those who actually liked the game? Because the majority of the people enjoy something the minority must cower and speak softly?
Gimme a break, any amount of criticism would in no manner upset me as a gamer. And as a gaming company, I would want to hear all sides of a games issues, to understand what makes a game palatable to some and shunned by others. The use of the word "crap" is simply a more descriptive one for the individual. I prefer to use the simple word "bad", but that's just me. You use the word "hate", some might find that a bit much as well. And for those who love the game I say that you are the lucky ones. Not tasteless, perhaps easier to please and certainly happier than I.
To conclude, this probably too long thread simply boils down to a few sensitive individuals who for some reason feel that if a person writes something counter to their feelings/opinion about the game, take it as an insult. Why, I don't know. I can guarantee that CD does not. All data is welcomed and needed. While they of course would love to have everyone write glowing tributes to the game, they understand that there are always going to be those who dislike their product. And calling it crap or garbage or anything else is a synonym for bad/don't like, they understand. So if they can accept it, so can you.
I would have to disagree with you here Eddie. A forum is a place for dialog. Unfortunately too many use it as a place for venting, often is ways that stifle communication and result in acrimonious exchanges.
TRA can be frustrating but so is anything that requires mastering a system that contains a degree of complexity. To say that system is therefore crap is IMO indefensible and immature at best. There are many that have mastered the TRA control system, witness many of the walkthrough videos posted on YouTube. I have been trying to learn to play musical instruments for many years and find it very frustrating. That does not mean that music is crap.
It is perfectly acceptable to dislike a particular genre of games or mode of game play,. I do not particularly like driving games or sports games and I detest the Sims but to call them crap is insulting to those that do. I have had many very stimulatring and interesting discussions with others, such as yourself, with whom I tend to disagree but I refuse to dialog with those that can not dispaly at least a minimum of civility to others. To support such posts is IMO counter-productive, witness this thread.
It was a good game! Saying anything other than that is exaggerating in my opinion. The game had many faults and also had many good aspects about it.
ThomasCroft
27-07-07, 15:34
Ver nice. However I don't know what you mean by "enforced upon other people". And no offense (really, no offense), but you and I are not the judges of another's feelings or opinions and how they express them. As long as the forum rules are not violated one should speak their mind and not look back.
People get angry. People get upset. It's as natural as a bowel movement. I hear it every day and so do you. I think it's refreshing to read amongst all of the dry and proper stuff (especially my own stuff :p ), as long as it's from the heart and not done to flame. I think that is what we have here; an individual whose frustration in the game led him to post in order to vent. It's a shame that he was seemingly driven away, I hope he returns so that some of you can perhaps help him to solve the ledge problems he was referring to.
Hey Eddie Haskell :wve:
By 'enforcing opinions upon other people', I am referring to situations where if one person disagrees with another's opinion, they feel it's okay to tell them to shut up and say which opinion is right or wrong. Of course, this is utter nonsense, because what people feel cannot be categorised so simply: for the individual, their feelings are right to them.
I am not saying that venting your feelings is wrong, because that is what forums are all about: airing your thoughts for the world to hear. However, if people begin to think that their own thoughts are more 'valid' or more 'correct' than other people's, and display this through their posts, it is, I believe, unacceptable. Therefore, expressing one's opinions is fine, but if, in doing so, one degrades what other people think, it is no longer.
Consequently, I think we should think about how we say things to other people and not just say "this game's crap so there", because it is a statement which does not take into consideration other people's beliefs.
:)
Eddie Haskell
27-07-07, 15:35
I would have to disagree with you here Eddie. A forum is a place for dialog. Unfortunately too many use it as a place for venting, often is ways that stifle communication and result in acrimonious exchanges.
TRA can be frustrating but so is anything that requires mastering a system that contains a degree of complexity. To say that system is therefore crap is IMO indefensible and immature at best. There are many that have mastered the TRA control system, witness many of the walkthrough videos posted on YouTube. I have been trying to learn to play musical instruments for many years and find it very frustrating. That does not mean that music is crap.
It is perfectly acceptable to dislike a particular genre of games or mode of game play,. I do not particularly like driving games or sports games and I detest the Sims but to call them crap is insulting to those that do. I have had many very stimulatring and interesting discussions with others, such as yourself, with whom I tend to disagree but I refuse to dialog with those that can not dispaly at least a minimum of civility to others. To support such posts is IMO counter-productive, witness this thread.
Well, we have to agree to disagree. No matter what anyone said to me using any negative terms to describe something they dislike and I like would never offend me. After all, it's their opinion not mine. I am comfortable in my own skin. :) Sure, some posters are flamers, baiters, spammers and obnoxious along with many other traits. I just ignore these or laugh them off. But I believe that this guy was a frustrated gamer who "vented", and I see nothing wrong with that. Perhaps he will return and get the help he needed to complete the game and not than have had "wasted" his money.
By 'enforcing opinions upon other people', I am referring to situations where if one person disagrees with another's opinion, they feel it's okay to tell them to shut up and say which opinion is right or wrong......However, if people begin to think that their own thoughts are more 'valid' or more 'correct' than other people's, and display this through their posts, it is, I believe, unacceptable. Therefore, expressing one's opinions is fine, but if, in doing so, one degrades what other people think, it is no longer.
He never said anything like this, only expressed his own views and did not say one word about others. Now others who responded to the op did as you write here. Also, everyone normally feels that his opinion is "more valid" or "more correct", otherwise why write it?
To 1st post. Go on, my friend, sell it.
Screw political correctness, I'm about as PC as a heart attack! :ton: You get what you see from me, no holding back. :mis:
If the originator of this thread doesn't like something, he doesn't like it. No reason to call him names. :ohn: He wasn't singling anyone out here and calling them names... :whi:
Yuna´s Wish
27-07-07, 17:02
This thread has turned, once again, in a relative of the "eternal fight" family...I love it personally, but some people are so stubborn. Eddie, I know it might be weird from me (and rude perhaps) but if you mean to give a valid opinion about TRA, go and play it...or else make your Demo Thread where you can explain why the TRA demo is ****.
Eddie Haskell
27-07-07, 17:20
This thread has turned, once again, in a relative of the "eternal fight" family...I love it personally, but some people are so stubborn. Eddie, I know it might be weird from me (and rude perhaps) but if you mean to give a valid opinion about TRA, go and play it...or else make your Demo Thread where you can explain why the TRA demo is ****.
Heheh, I'm not buying a game with controls that I have already tested and despise. I received an advance copy (a few days before the release from a distributer) delivered to my home and since I was in DC obviously did not play it at that time. When I returned home I gave it away since I knew from playing the demo that I would not like the controls or camera.
I submit no opinion about the game as a whole. Only that I will not support a game that I feel is C.R.A.P. (Cannot Really Admire Properly) due to what I consider C.R.A.P. camera views and poorly designed controls. As I have repeatedly stated ad-nauseum, I don't expect them to create a game just for me that I find wonderful in every way. The fact that many others (whom I respect) love it is enough for me to determine that the game has moved on and left me behind. No problem, I don't fret over it. But don't be upset with me because I don't feel the same way you do, and truly believe the game is C.R.A.P.. :)
Gravastars
27-07-07, 17:27
People who don't like the game and say it's crap - what do you think of the whole lot of people who actually LOVE it? Do you think we are tasteless, or easy to please, or whatever? ;)
I hate Halo, but I'm not telling anybody it's crap 'cause if so many people likes it, maybe it's because it is NOT crap. But I hate it, I don't like it at all. I see it has great gfx, people say it's got awesome gameplay and athmosphere, but I just don't like it. Same happens with Mario 64 or Zelda Twilight.
IMHO, If I said "Halo 2 is crapier than crap" I would be disrespecting thousands of people who like it. I would be disrespecting the hard work of an allegedly GREAT developing group such as Crystal Dynamics. The "my dog would do better" thing which the original poster said it's way over the top. If your dog could do better, and (I think) you believe you are better than your dog, why don't you code the next Tomb Raider which would be better than this one? ;)
There's "taste" and there's "fact". You don't like it 'cause they didn't make the game the way you wanted them to. It's hard to please everyone... But, in my eye, they have pleased most people. 'Cause I see more praising reviews than dissing ones. Do you feel "superior", "choosen ones"? Do you think you really own the absolute truth than plain mortals can't reach?
The game is far from "bad". Like Halo 2, Mario 64 or Zelda Twilight, three games I absolutely hate only 'cause they don't click with my tastes.
It is perfectly valid to outwardly state that something is bad because it doesn't "click with your tastes". Nothing by factual definition is "bad" because "bad" (in this context) is subjective.
Yuna´s Wish
27-07-07, 17:29
@ Eddie: Ugh, you didn´t get my point (as you probably think I don´t get yours...and maybe I don´t). I know you´ll hate the game ANYWAY, even if you play the entire version. Samsdad has made really good arguments about TRA´s controls and camera some posts ago. It´d be nice to know your opinion o the entire game, which has a story, traps, characters, surprises, enemies and weapons you can´t find in the demo. Fair enough, do as you please (and yes, there are "worse" parts than those of the demo...I just feel I can´t give valid arguments about something I don´t fully know).
Eddie Haskell
27-07-07, 17:34
@ Eddie: Ugh, you didn´t get my point (as you probably think I don´t get yours...and maybe I don´t). I know you´ll hate the game ANYWAY, even if you play the entire version. Samsdad has made really good arguments about TRA´s controls and camera some posts ago. It´d be nice to know your opinion o the entire game, which has a story, traps, characters, surprises, enemies and weapons you can´t find in the demo. Fair enough, do as you please (and yes, there are "worse" parts than those of the demo...I just feel I can´t give valid arguments about something I don´t fully know).
And I don't claim to. I only speak to what I know. As I said before, I can watch YouTube videos to see the game without having to deal with any frustration. And to be honest, I care very little for the story and Lara, I just want a good, playable game. It could have no discernible plot and have a 60 year old man with leprosy and a speech impediment as the main character and if the controls, camera and level design were good I'd like it. :)
Yuna´s Wish
27-07-07, 17:36
And I don't claim to. I only speak to what I know. As I said before, I can watch YouTube videos to see the game without having to deal with any frustration. And to be honest, I care very little for the story and Lara, I just want a good, playable game. It could have no discernible plot and have a 60 year old man as the main character and if the controls, camera and level design were good I'd like it. :)
So...are you at least watching the youtube videos?
Eddie Haskell
27-07-07, 17:41
So...are you at least watching the youtube videos?
Yes, I laugh my a** off! Seeing some with great skill maneuvering Lara and others that look like they are playing the game while high. The environments look pretty good, and some of the puzzles I see look interesting. But just watching these videos solidifies my opinions as I constantly see the camera swaying like drunken sailor as the player attempts to do some difficult move. One thing I truly can't stand when watching these vids is the combat. It is so arcade like that I don't even laugh, I simply flip it off with a scowl. :(
Yuna´s Wish
27-07-07, 17:43
I see...mmm...well, that´s something :p
Eddie Haskell
27-07-07, 17:46
I see...mmm...well, that´s something :p
Btw, love your signature! :tmb: Whatever gave you that idea? :hug:
Yuna´s Wish
27-07-07, 17:48
Btw, love your signature! :tmb: Whatever gave you that idea? :hug:
:D Thank you! I don´t know, maybe inspiration? :o
Yes, I laugh my a** off! Seeing some with great skill maneuvering Lara and others that look like they are playing the game while high. The environments look pretty good, and some of the puzzles I see look interesting. But just watching these videos solidifies my opinions as I constantly see the camera swaying like drunken sailor as the player attempts to do some difficult move. One thing I truly can't stand when watching these vids is the combat. It is so arcade like that I don't even laugh, I simply flip it off with a scowl. :(
I read the first post in this thread, and was sure most folk have, at one time, bought a game they didn't like. Give it away or swap, I thought, as I do.
However, I find it interesting that you who don't like the game have devoted so much time to saying how well off you are, how easy the game is to play, and you watched the game on You tube etc!...
If the game is so awful, why do you and others take time to come into the forum?
Maybe I am going to sound like the senior I am to you, but do pick up your toys and go and play at someone else's house.
There are OTHER games, you know.
I had never played Lara Croft before because I thought I didn't like it. However, after a 'before sales review' that my computer friend downloaded, I find it different to FPS and am enjoying playing.
dimple
Eddie Haskell
27-07-07, 20:50
I read the first post in this thread, and was sure most folk have, at one time, bought a game they didn't like. Give it away or swap, I thought, as I do.
However, I find it interesting that you who don't like the game have devoted so much time to saying how well off you are, how easy the game is to play, and you watched the game on You tube etc!...
If the game is so awful, why do you and others take time to come into the forum?
Maybe I am going to sound like the senior I am to you, but do pick up your toys and go and play at someone else's house.
There are OTHER games, you know.
I had never played Lara Croft before because I thought I didn't like it. However, after a 'before sales review' that my computer friend downloaded, I find it different to FPS and am enjoying playing.
dimple
1) I never said I was "well off". I live comfortably (in a monetary sense, certainly not in a physical one). But how that pertains to anything relevant I don't know.
2) I have never, ever said the game was easy to play. On the contrary I have said repeatedly that I find the controls and camera exasperating and therefore the game in my opinion is not easy by any stretch of the imagination. Please read and comprehend what I write, not what you want to plant on me.
3) I enjoy watching others play games in my home and elsewhere in addition to my own game playing. Watching YouTube videos is fun, so what of it?
4) If you cared to read what I wrote you would have understood that I did give the game away.
5) Who are you to decide who should be a member and post and who should not? I could take offense at such a statement but i understand that you are entitled to your opinion as to what this forum should be.
6) There are other games? Thanks for telling me that. :rolleyes:
7) Glad that you enjoyed the game, really I am. :)
ThomasCroft
27-07-07, 20:52
He never said anything like this, only expressed his own views and did not say one word about others.
Yes, I know. :) I was not referring to the original poster, but discussing people's responses/posts in general - particularly in this thread.
Now others who responded to the op did as you write here.
Yes, this is what I was referring to. People who immediately shoot down this person's thoughts because they think they are right and the original poster's wrong. Every member here has joined the forum to express their opinions (in this case, on Tomb Raider), be them positive or negative. As long as they are given constructively, I personally see no problem in this.
Also, everyone normally feels that his opinion is "more valid" or "more correct", otherwise why write it?
Not true. I certainly don't value my own opinions over other people's. I realise that everyone has different thoughts, and that my own opinions are my own beliefs but don't necessarily apply to everybody. I write my opinions for open discussion and expression, not because I believe what I am saying is more valid than what everyone else has to say. That's arrogance, something I utterly despise.
Hence, I say that people should think about the way they say things. I'm not saying that we can't disagree with people, because that's ludicrous. What I'm saying is, and I'm saying this generally, people should agree to disagree instead of the I'm-right-you're-wrong attitude that people seem to express.
:)
Eddie Haskell
27-07-07, 21:08
Not true. I certainly don't value my own opinions over other people's. I realise that everyone has different thoughts, and that my own opinions are my own beliefs but don't necessarily apply to everybody. I write my opinions for open discussion and expression, not because I believe what I am saying is more valid than what everyone else has to say. That's arrogance, something I utterly despise.
Hence, I say that people should think about the way they say things. I'm not saying that we can't disagree with people, because that's ludicrous. What I'm saying is, and I'm saying this generally, people should agree to disagree instead of the I'm-right-you're-wrong attitude that people seem to express.
:)
I did not mean to say that when one states his opinion or view on a matter that he is speaking an indisputable truth. But he must believe what he is saying is right at any rate, that is what I am saying.
I always agree to disagree, and as a rule respect everyones opinion. Most forum dwellers here are like that and that's what makes this place so nice to visit and converse in. I say this as I sit in front of 4 monitors and keyboards at work. Heheh, sometimes I spend more time typing responses in here than I do catching the bad guys! :)
The room with the ledges is just irritating and mind-numbingly boring. Our dog could have made a netter job of the way the camera handles on the fifth ledge.
I'd really like to see this. Your dog must be one hell of a programmer.
Eddie Haskell
27-07-07, 22:00
I'd really like to see this. Your dog must be one hell of a programmer.
If he is than someone should inform CD, I'm sure that they could use him...;)
FomarThain
27-07-07, 22:25
If he is than someone should inform CD, I'm sure that they could use him...;)
Sucker punch! Sucker punch!;)
FomarThain
27-07-07, 22:26
did u like legend eddie?
I don't usually answer for people. But.. asking Eddie that is like asking a dog if he enjoys fleas.:D;)
Well if trrocks and ticohan are only 13 (as you said) and you reckon you shouldn't be called "kids", you're both sure acting like kids :tea: :ton: :D :D :D ... AND getting way off topic :p
Eddie Haskell
27-07-07, 22:56
Well if trrocks and ticohan are only 13 (as you said) and you reckon you shouldn't be called "kids", you're both sure acting like kids :tea: :ton: :D :D :D ... AND getting way off topic :p
You're right, I apologize...:(
And I don't enjoy fleas...;)
This was meant for trrocks and ticohan, EH. Why are you apologising lol....
Eddie Haskell
27-07-07, 23:35
This was meant for trrocks and ticohan, EH. Why are you apologising lol....
Because I feel like one...;) :)
Well if trrocks and ticohan are only 13 (as you said) and you reckon you shouldn't be called "kids", you're both sure acting like kids :tea: :ton: :D :D :D ... AND getting way off topic :p
How are we acting like kids? So the topic was dead basicly (the on topic part of the thread) we got into a discussion and didnt relize we got so off topic, I apologize and I stopped so why carry on about it? people only started talking on topic again becuase a mod asked people to so we did or at least I did. If trrocks and I were acting childish by getting offtopic then Eddie Haskell is acting childish too because he was in our offtopic disscussion.
HollabackBoy
28-07-07, 05:32
You should have played the demo first like I did. That's how I found out it was crap. ;)
I have to admit I was disappointed with the Peru levels (which the demo focused on), but the game really started to pick up in Greece. You really missed out on good game. :p The demo was not a true indication of TRA.
Lara Croft Fan Joe
28-07-07, 09:23
Crap? I loved this game!
Tthe Spirit
28-07-07, 17:12
lol. Which room with the ledges? Every room is nothing but ledges ;) I know what you mean and I agree, but give the other games a chance. They're nothing like Anniversary.
Yes, this game is nothing like theprevios because it is the best one of them all...:ton::ton::ton::ton::ton::ton:
Looking through this thread & some others I can see history like to repeat itself.:p
Personally I think TRA is a great game & I haven't really enjoyed a TR game like this since playing the classics on PS1.:D I don't understand why anyone who loved the classic TR games would not like TRA!:confused:
With games & films, you read reviews, watch trailers or play a demo. Sometimes the end result is what you expect, sometimes better & sometimes worse. That's the chance you take.;)
Its not that bad, its actually a nice average game. Nothing classic or overwhelming, but still enjoyable.
There are games out there that are much better though, shed is right about that, anyone who is a pro gamer knows this :o
But these are challenges in the game that exist to overcome as a real part of the game play. The "frustration" for me is when I have to surmount silly technical blunders and developer miscalculations that should not exist at all. The game is a third person game. So therefore it is supposed to have a third person camera. I know that. However, in Legend (and I might add the demo for Anniversary) there were times that I (Lara) was running towards the camera. Why in Gods name do I want to look at Lara coming toward me (the camera)? Then when one wants to make a movement when Lara is in this position, it is difficult to discern the direction that Lara will take. With her guns out it is even worse. And of course the inability to actually see some of the jumping areas that one needs to see exactly.
So this is frustration to me.
I have to agree with Eddie on some points and disagree on others. First of all, he's damn right about the camera. When I first played Legend demo before purchasing the real thing, I absolutely hated the new camera. It was absolutely nonsense and therefore I had serious problems at first. However, soon enough I learned that the camera could be moved behind Lara by clicking J on the keyboard (HUD) to have a view of the forecoming jump before actually making it.
After playing the demo, I went out and bought Legend in the hopes that: 1. I'll get used to the camera, and 2. as the demo concluded with a puzzle that was TOO DAMN EASY, I hoped for better and harder puzzles as the game went on. After all, the demo had only been the first level which, in previous TR games, has always been easier.
Second, the camera when having your weapons drawn. AARRGHH! :hea: Lara no loner points the guns at the closest enemy but to the direction the camera is at. So on more than one occasion, I've been torn to pieces by wolves because Lara aims at the wall and not at the wolves. :hea:
Third, Lara's movement when balancing on a vertical pole. She turns completely arbitrarily, making it nearly impossible to get her to face the next pole. Sometimes, I was able to get her facing the right way and do the jumps, no problem. In other cases, I needed to turn her around on the pole, balance her and aim at the next pole, all at the same time. I love it that she looses balance from time to time, keeps the player on their toes. But the turning.... drives me crazy.
Now, after having played the Anniversary demo as well, I was incredibly disappointed that they had kept the nonsense camera with all it's flaws. However, as I watched the trailers and saw the beautiful locations I was about to experience, I still wanted to buy the game. And tell you the truth, the only thing that still disappoints me is the camera. The rest of the game is fascinating and, in my opinion, worth playing.
JUST PLEASE FIX THE DAMN CAMERA!!
FullmetalEd
30-07-07, 14:04
Third, Lara's movement when balancing on a vertical pole. She turns completely arbitrarily, making it nearly impossible to get her to face the next pole. Sometimes, I was able to get her facing the right way and do the jumps, no problem. In other cases, I needed to turn her around on the pole, balance her and aim at the next pole, all at the same time. I love it that she looses balance from time to time, keeps the player on their toes. But the turning.... drives me crazy.
Just ot let you know, if you don't just press left/right, but press FORWARD at the same time, it makes the pole part much easier to contol :)
:D
Eddie Haskell
30-07-07, 16:07
I have to agree with Eddie on some points and disagree on others. First of all, he's damn right about the camera. When I first played Legend demo before purchasing the real thing, I absolutely hated the new camera. It was absolutely nonsense and therefore I had serious problems at first. However, soon enough I learned that the camera could be moved behind Lara by clicking J on the keyboard (HUD) to have a view of the forecoming jump before actually making it.
After playing the demo, I went out and bought Legend in the hopes that: 1. I'll get used to the camera, and 2. as the demo concluded with a puzzle that was TOO DAMN EASY, I hoped for better and harder puzzles as the game went on. After all, the demo had only been the first level which, in previous TR games, has always been easier.
Second, the camera when having your weapons drawn. AARRGHH! :hea: Lara no loner points the guns at the closest enemy but to the direction the camera is at. So on more than one occasion, I've been torn to pieces by wolves because Lara aims at the wall and not at the wolves. :hea:
Third, Lara's movement when balancing on a vertical pole. She turns completely arbitrarily, making it nearly impossible to get her to face the next pole. Sometimes, I was able to get her facing the right way and do the jumps, no problem. In other cases, I needed to turn her around on the pole, balance her and aim at the next pole, all at the same time. I love it that she looses balance from time to time, keeps the player on their toes. But the turning.... drives me crazy.
Now, after having played the Anniversary demo as well, I was incredibly disappointed that they had kept the nonsense camera with all it's flaws. However, as I watched the trailers and saw the beautiful locations I was about to experience, I still wanted to buy the game. And tell you the truth, the only thing that still disappoints me is the camera. The rest of the game is fascinating and, in my opinion, worth playing.
JUST PLEASE FIX THE DAMN CAMERA!!
Great explanation of some of the camera problems.
But for me, no more obvious example of flaky and incongruent camera work is as I said; when Lara is running towards the camera. There is no reason to do this, other than to ogle Lara.
If the camera were fixed behind the on-screen avatar many of the more advanced moves, such as the wall run would become very confusing.
What i found works for me is the realization that the camera is fixed behind me, the gamer, and everything is oriented towards my point of view. If I want to move the avatar to my left I move the joystick in the direction. If I want to move the avatar towards me I move the joystick appropriately, hence the avatar runs toward the camera (me). It is different than the old system but works amazing well once you get over the mental hump.
The only time that that is violated is in combat where the camera now is fixed behind the avatar, ala the classics. I am assuming that CD did that to facilitate the adrenalin dodge. If you draw weapons and Lara does now target then it is probably due to the fact that she has her back toward a target or that the target is out of range.
I totally disagree, samsdad. The wallrun would be consistant. Just move the joystick up and down for forward and reverse and use whatever direction you want to jump off with. With the moving camera those directional controls kept changing making them confusing in TRA, especially sometimes not needing any direction to jump away from the wall... :rolleyes: WTF were they smokin'??? :confused:
I totally disagree, samsdad. The wallrun would be consistant. Just move the joystick up and down for forward and reverse and use whatever direction you want to jump off with. With the moving camera those directional controls kept changing making them confusing in TRA, especially sometimes not needing any direction to jump away from the wall... :rolleyes: WTF were they smokin'??? :confused:
If the camera is locked behind the avatar then everytime Lara switched direction at the end of a swing the camera would have to flip 180 degrees. Since you would not know just when that would happen it would make it even harder to judge when to jump, I find it much better with the camera locked behind me and movement oriented to me. For the 90 degree jumps, if the camera is oriented so that the movement is forward and back then I always jump left. If the camera is oriented so the run is left to right then I always jump towards me. Never fails. You just have to rethink the orientation. It is really very simple.
That's a good point. Personally I would've simply changed the controls for the wall-runs: up/down for running and forward/backward jumps, left/right for jumping away from the wall. Since you don't have full control over the camera during those sequences, having relative movement controls can be a bit tricky. It works most of the time when you wait for Lara to turn around before jumping, but honestly, that shouldn't need to be.
Eddie Haskell
30-07-07, 20:10
If the camera is locked behind the avatar then everytime Lara switched direction at the end of a swing the camera would have to flip 180 degrees. Since you would not know just when that would happen it would make it even harder to judge when to jump, I find it much better with the camera locked behind me and movement oriented to me. For the 90 degree jumps, if the camera is oriented so that the movement is forward and back then I always jump left. If the camera is oriented so the run is left to right then I always jump towards me. Never fails. You just have to rethink the orientation. It is really very simple.
Why not a distance behind and elevated above Lara during this maneuver?
Why not a distance behind and elevated above Lara during this maneuver?
I am not sure but if the camera pulled back from Lara but was still fixed to her back then when she changed direction at the end of the swing it would have to flip even further.
Ideally it would be best for the wall runs if the camera remained fixed to the gamer as Mona suggested instead of being oriented alond the wall in some cases and perpedicular to the wall in others. It is is tendency for the camera orientation to the wall to change that throws most folks off.
Eddie Haskell
30-07-07, 21:48
I am not sure but if the camera pulled back from Lara but was still fixed to her back then when she changed direction at the end of the swing it would have to flip even further.
Ideally it would be best for the wall runs if the camera remained fixed to the gamer as Mona suggested instead of being oriented alond the wall in some cases and perpedicular to the wall in others. It is is tendency for the camera orientation to the wall to change that throws most folks off.
Why would it have to flip at all? Set it back so that the field of view is large enough. It's not a first person game, however it would be in the manner that you suggest (changing the view as ones direction changed). I say keep it to her back but give a wider/more distant view to be able to see more around her/you.
Just ot let you know, if you don't just press left/right, but press FORWARD at the same time, it makes the pole part much easier to contol :)
:D
I shall try.
Hopefully we don't have to put up with the same camera flaws in the upcoming TR8. Otherwise, I'm mostly satisfied with the changes CD made since Legend. e.g. small and big medipacks etc. Like kunoichi said:
Actually crystal seems to be listening quite a lot. People complained about legend, so they gave us in anniversary a lot of things the fans whined about: a longer game, a harder game, tips off option, manual grab option, ring inventory, small and large medi packs, old style secrets (ding), an outside in croft manor, lara´s though in the diary, more realistic climbing moves, bigger jumps...
There's still A LOT of room for improvement though, but it was the same way with Core as well, in my opinion.
To the people who claim that TRA is better because there's no boring block-to-block jumping in it..... Basically, I find that the dull part of TR1 consisting of jumping from block to block has been replaced with jumping from ledge to ledge in TRA. Nothing changed in that department.
Eddie Haskell
31-07-07, 18:30
I shall try.
Hopefully we don't have to put up with the same camera flaws in the upcoming TR8. Otherwise, I'm mostly satisfied with the changes CD made since Legend. e.g. small and big medipacks etc. Like kunoichi said:
There's still A LOT of room for improvement though, but it was the same way with Core as well, in my opinion.
To the people who claim that TRA is better because there's no boring block-to-block jumping in it..... Basically, I find that the dull part of TR1 consisting of jumping from block to block has been replaced with jumping from ledge to ledge in TRA. Nothing changed in that department.
Except for Lara growing a tail, getting furry and eating a lot of banana's...;)
Except for Lara growing a tail, getting furry and eating a lot of banana's...;)
She does hop like a monkey, doesn't she? :D And handles guns even worse than one :vlol:
I miss the old Lara... :(
hi,
What a thread! I says to myself, I better get in on this!
Wow Eddie I'm surprised you post so much after only playing the demo... Still, better to find out you don't like it from the demo than from the full dose! However I agree with much that you have to say. Yes some of the sheer frustration allowed to exist in the game (I say that because I know darned well somebody played this thing for the developers before release, and it was put on the market anyway) is maddening as well as puzzling when the controls/camera could have been managed so much better (personally, I would love a return to the grid system so I could know for sure how far I can jump & land). I simply can't stand it when developers pad out the time you must play a game with parts with brainless, boring, try-die-cry-try loops. I also can't stand it when so many moves seemingly depend on pure chance, or may as well when you have to try performing difficult moves in impossibly quick succession.
However, I sure ain't seeing many other games on the market I consider better alternatives, maybe I should try Oblivion. HL2 I thought was puke, wouldn't finish it; Doom, I can turn all the lights off in my house & stumble around; and so on. We're in a drought! Anyway, while TRA, in my opinion, is no way in the class of TR1, I still managed to enjoy it overall despite the ever-increasing feeling of being robbed of gameplay. Finished with the feeling, "OK, now that's finally done" not "Oh man what will I do with my life now?!?!?". I'd love to get Thief 2 & some other older games running under XP so I could get some great gameplay under my belt! Along those lines, Halo haters take note, the Windows port of Marathon is chock full of game play by the way.
Oh well anyway, I guess my point if I have one is that anything less than a superb TR game is disappointing to me, so TRA is kinda disappointing to me overall. But appalling? I can't agree with that, for $30 it was OK and managed, somehow, despite the camera and controls fighting me, and the condensed levels, and the crappy combat, and the psuedo-Lara personality/story, to keep me occupied for a couple weeks' nights. Hrmm, amazingly, seems like the little touches are what separates a so-so game from a superb one... Time passes and we just find out more and more what a simply amazing game the 1st one was.
Raid on folks! :):):):):):):)
~ Tsunade ~
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