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Melonie Tomb Raider
Ok, looks like I am looking into getting yet another pet haha. I really like my Parakeet Skooter, but he is taming so slowley and still not out of his cage. I haven't given up on him though, I am going to continue trying and eventually he will come around. Any way, I was thiking about getting a guinea pig, and I just wanted to see if any one here has ever had one. If so, could you give me as much info about them as possible? I read some about them, but I think I'd learn more about them hearing it from an owner. So, do they like being cuddled? Are a specific breed or gender better tempered? Any more info about them? I'd like to know as much as possible before I get one. If I do get one It won't be for about 2-4 months since Dad just got orders and we have to move to Alabama or Georgia soon. So I wouldn't be able to get one until after the move. I am actually looking forward to leaving though, I don't really like the weather here in NY. Cold, snowy, and did I mention cold? haha. We only get like 2-3 months of good weather a year, the rest is unbearable. I can't wait to move!! Any way, that's off topic. If you have info about gp's then I'd really appreciate it. http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/hug.gif
[ 13. April 2004, 20:26: Message edited by: Melonie Tomb Raider ]
I know that Guinea Pigs are one of the few mammals that can not synthesize their own vitamin C and so it must be added to their diet.
I've had about 4 guinea pigs, they are all dead now though. The last 2 i had would still be alive if i hadn't... http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/whistle.gif anyway http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/mischievous.gif They just poo and pee everywhere! :eek: It gets beyond a joke how much they excrete :rolleyes: they aren't house trained so they will pee/ poo when your holding them or if they are running around the house or whatever. And they have like NO sense of personal hygiene, they get poop stuck in their fur and their fur gets all tangled up and when u try to brush it out they just squeal and chatter their teeth, so in the end you have to give them a hair cut and then they just look a mess. On the plus side ;) they do like being cuddled but they cover you in bits of fur which takes hours to remove with a lot of duct tape.
They squeak all the time which is pretty cute, most other animals dont make much noise but they squeak all the time ESPECIALLY when they are hungry they go psycho jumping up on the front of their cage and squeaking really loud. However, there are more bad points than good, i suggest that you get a rabbit, they are so much cooler.
I got one from this animal shelter one time and he was so cool! he would run upto you and everything and even lick your hand like a dog :D but he died after he became sick. Now i just have one rabbit, Jemma, shes cute but when she's let lose in the garden she wont let you pick her up again she just runs off, she'll only come up to you if you have food.
If you have to get a guinea, make sure you get two females. I had two males and they were fine together because one was alot smaller than the other so they like grew up together but then one got sick and they were seperated for a couple of weeks, then when they were re-united they were both adult sized and they starting fighting and biting each other. So females are the best option. Anyway rant over http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif , let me know your decision Mel. http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/thumb.gif
Mel, regarding Skooter - make sure you handle him every day. Whle you're taming him, you don't want to miss a day if you can help it. Persevere, and you'll get there. You may also want to get his wings clipped. That way, you can take him out of his cage and still handle him. Houses are notoriously dangerous for birds anyway, and we don't even realise it. His wings will grow back, but it doesn't harm them in any way if you clip them. http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/hug.gif
guinea pigs are such a pain in the butt. we had to watch our school pet for 2 weeks. omg theyre so noisy, messy, and theyre just a pain. id get a hampster or w/e.. definately not a guinea pig.
oh god, tell me about it TRChik :rolleyes: I ended up murdering mine.
We had one that was good at heading carrots :rolleyes:
Originally posted by FuGiTiVe LaRa:
I ended up murdering mine.We didn't have to know that http://www.tombraiderforums.com/forums/icons/icon8.gif How cruel!!!
Melonie Tomb Raider
Did you really kill yours ententionally Fug? http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/yikes.gif I sure hope you are joking because that is a heartless thing to do, I don't understand how any one could kill an animal that is not even threatening them in the slightest. They were just being guinea pigs that's all. I sure hope you were only kidding. Any way, I don't want to start an argument. So, it looks like maybe a guinea isn't the pet for me. I'll do some more research on different kinds of animals and seeing which one is best. Oh, and thanks so much for the advice Trev. http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/hug.gif I've been working on taming Skooter a lot more, especially since we are moving and I don't want him to be too scared on our car trip, since it is like a 24 hour drive not including all of our hotel and food stops. So if I don't get him tamed this could be super stressful on him. I'm trying to get him to eat fruits and veggies too, but it's kinda hard hehe. I finally found something that works. I noticed when I put millet over the apple he could just eat the millet off the apple. So I decided to put it over applesauce since he can't just pull all the seeds out of it without getting any of the sauce. Well, it worked. :D He did the best he could to avoid it, but he still ate a good bit of that applesauce today. Hey, it's a start right? hehe. http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif Usually when I try to pet him he will bite me ( not that hard, but I don't like it when he bites), so today I am teachingh im not to bite. If he bit me I'd say "No!" and he knew what I meant too lol. And if he didn't bite me I;d feed him millet, so today went SUPER well with the taming. I'll have that bird completely tamed in no time at this rate. :cool:
I truly hope you're kidding Fug...
Melonie, Try the Humane Society *wink wink* they have a lot of cute guinea pigs that need to be adopted (at least the one I work at).
I really hate it when people buy/adopt small animals like mice or guinea pigs without knowing how to take care of one and then end up killing it. I just hope you know exactly what you're doing when you decide to get one :D
[ 13. April 2004, 07:01: Message edited by: bumb1ebee ]
Originally posted by Gavman:
We had one that was good at heading carrots :rolleyes: rolf http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif
anyway, I didn't murder mine :rolleyes: they died of natural causes http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/pistol.gif hehe, they had lasted a good 5 or 6 years though, all 4 of my guinea pigs lived a long and well- cared for life ;)
You should really get a rabbit Mel, they don't get dirty or anything as they are constantly grooming themselves. If you get a baby one you can raise it to be tame and disciplined and they last for about 12 years, you'll be 29 when it dies if you get one :eek:
I've had mine since she was young for about 6 years and there's plenty of life in her yet, but if she got sick i dunno, i had one rabbit thats teeth grew really long and it was like foaming at the mouth so we took it to the vet and it had an operation and when we brought it home 5 minutes later it died :( and we had to pay the vet fees :mad:
Melonie Tomb Raider
Oh Fug, I am SOOO happy that you didn't murder your Piggies!!! http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/hug.gif I should have known you wouldn't do that. hehe. Any way, I would love a rabbit; however, from what I have read they don't seem to make good house pets and they don't like to be cuddled. This is just stuff I have read though. If I get a new pet I defiinately want it to be a house pet. I heard you could potty train rabbits, is it really hard? I was thinking a little Netherland Dwarf rabbit would be adorable, and you seem to have a lot of good things to say about rabbits, so that's cool. If they make good house pets, aren't that hard to tame (Since I am inexperienced), get along with my other animals (cats and a dog. My dog is not aggressive at the slightest he'd probably be scared of a rabbit BTW lol), and likes to be cuddled then I'd want to get one. So if you have any info about house rabbits would you please give me the pros and the cons to I can think about it more seriously? Thanks a lot Fug. http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/hug.gif
Melonie Tomb Raider
Oh, one more question. Which rabbit breed is the most affectionate? That's super important to me, I want the most affection breed there is and one that is easy to tame.
The rabbit i was talking about before, the one that was really tame and licked ur hand and stuff was a netherland dwarf :eek: thats so weird that its the type you want http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif the one i have that acts like a wild rabbit is a belgian hare. I remember training mine to be house trained its really simple, you just put like a kitty litter box in the corner but instead of kitty litter just put like newspaper in it, then if they poop pick them up and place them in the box after a while they learn to go to the box for a poop instead of the carpet http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/clown.gif
My sisters friend had a house trained rabbit and a dog and the rabbit and dog got on really well together, we looked after the rabbit when she was on vacation and it was so weird how much it acted like a dog, when he hopped along it would grunt and stuff and when you called it, it would run to you and jump up to your lap. :D they really do make awesome pets. On the downside the rabbit that acted like a dog would kinda hump stuff, no kidding, if you put your arm out infront of it, it would hump your arm and make sexual grunting noises, so i suggest if u get a male rabbit, get him neutured http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/clown.gif oh and they tend to chew wires as well, so make sure there aren't lying around or whatever. How this helps with your decision mel http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/hug.gif http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/smile.gif
Melonie Tomb Raider
Wow Fug, your house rabbit was a Netherland Dwarf? That is so awesome! So they do like being cuddled and held? And are they easy to tame, or will it take a long time for them to trust you like hamsters do? Sorry if I am asking too many questions, but I need to make sure I know as much as possible about Netherland Dwarfs before I get one. Thanks so much for your help. http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/hug.gif Hey Fug, both of us have Jak 2 icons. That's cool haha.
Im allergic, sorry Mel, cant help. http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/wave.gif
Melonie Tomb Raider
hmmm... I am researching all the different rabbit breeds to see which is best for me, and I have narrowed it down to Netherland Dwarf and Jersey Woolies. Both are beautiful, but it's all about personality. I still can't choose though! I read that ND's are really hyper, and love to play, and I am hyper too and I'd have a blast playing with one. I wouldn't have to worry about keeping up with it, it would have to keep up with me lol. And I read Jersey Woolies are more docile, and they are lap pets. I want an affectionate bunny who wants to be held and cuddled, so that sounds great! I can't choose between the two though lol, so looks like I will be doing more research.
What type of parrot is Skooter. Was he hand-raised, cause it doesn't sound as if he was. It is very hard to get a bird super tame unless they are hand-raised. Also some species make better pets than others. I breed and hand raise birds (I'm doing 4 Lorikeets at the moment). I have hand-raised quite a lot of different species from Budgies right up to large ****atoos. If Scooter is a Rose Ringed Parrakeet (we call them Indian Ringnecks) they do not make exceptionally good pets. But ****atiels make great pets.
When you are introducing a new food to him try putting it in his feed dish so he will associate it with food. If Skooter is a ****atiel they are not very big fruit and veggie eaters. They will eat Spinach and a lettuce like herb called Endive (don't know if you call it the same over there). If you can get him to eat sweet peppers they are really good for birds. All of mine eat peppers. Pumpkin is also good for them.
My baby Sun Conure (see my avatar) is really sweet she comes out and sits with me on the lounge and just wants to kiss me. I hand-raised her last year and I have named her Devil Child as she is so mischievious and cheeky. When I was trying to get her to eat seed on her own she would be really sneeky and not eat if I was around and when I was she would beg for her baby food. One day I cought her eating on her own and she hid behind her feed dish with a look on her face as if she was saying "Who me, no I can't eat on my own I was just looking at it you still have to feed me yummy baby food. Cutting Skooters wing will help to tame him down but be careful to pull the drapes and put a towel over any mirrors as they can fly into them and get really badly hurt. I would take him to someone experienced in clipping wings as you don't want to cut it too far back. Some you should only cut one wing and others you need to cut both wings. Birds with clipped wings can still fly but not as well and they can crash into things.
I would really concentrate on taming Skooter rather than getting another pet as you will really need to spend a lot of time with him to get him quite and keep him that way.
If you get a rabbit, you need to get two. Rabbits need a lot of attention, and if you are away for more than five hours straight during the day, it is best to have another one there. I just got two of um. There fun, and easy to clean up after. I got only one about two years ago, and he died. He was always alone, and he never really ran around much, so we think that he had a heart attack or somthin. But two is a lot better.
Melonie Tomb Raider
Thanks for the advice for Skooter. He is a budgie parakeet. I got him from a local pet shot, and he has no health problems, it was a great pet shop, but he wasn't tamed. He was hand fed before, but then they just put him in a cage with his brothers and sister and didn't hand feed him any more. He is doing better, but he has a little biting problem. I had millet in my hand and he jumped on my hand, bit my finger, then started eating. After he ate it all he bit my hand 3 more times then jumped off lol. It doens't hurt too bad, but it does hurt. Why does he bite like that? Dad says he is probably just saying thank you hahaha! I doubt that though. He is still pretty young, could just be a stage, I dunno.
Budgies are really easy to tame. They are one of the few birds that don't really need to be hand-raised. He only needs one wing clipped so see if the pet shop you got him from can do it for you. Budgies are also really easy to sex. The nipping sounds to me to be more of a female trait. The area of bare skin where his nostrils are is where you need to look. If it is blue it is a male if it is brown or whitish it is a female. I have kept budgies since I was a little girl and I am now 52 so I have kept them for about 45 years, and have had many pet ones. I used to breed show budgies and show them, so I do know a lot about them. Budgies will eat carrots, apple, pear, and just about any other fruit. NEVER give any bird Avocado as it is poisonous to them. Get his wing cut and bring him out of the cage. Hold him onto your lower chest with your hand loosely around him and as he walks up cover him with your other hand. Keep alternating hands. This is what we call tunnelling. It gets them used to being held and takes away their fear of large human hands. See if you can obtain a book from the pet shop about taming birds for pets. We have a very good one here in Australia printed by the Australian Birdkeeper Magazine called Pet and Companion Birds. I will get back to you with a web site for them as you should be able to buy it by mail order. This book (and all their books) are written by specialist breeders in their field. They are extremely good and are used by breeders here as reference books. Keep working with Skooter as budgies really are great mates and the males will quite often learn to talk. Look through the internet for sites on budgies there are so many of them which will give you really useful information on them. They will show you all the colour mutations and a lot of basic health information as well.
I have over 200 birds, most of them hand raised and they are so smart. It is scientifically proven that parrots have the intelligence level of about a 5 year old child. Look on the net for the site about Alex the African Grey that Dr Irene Pepperburg is working with. He is so clever. He has been under scientific study for over 16 years and she is probably the world expert on parrot intelligence.
abk publications (http://www.birdkeeper.com.au)
Mel here is the link I promised you. Go to products, a guide to books, Pet and Companion birds. Contains information on the book plus pricing etc.
Alex the African Grey (http://www.alexfoundation.org/)
The other site I told you about.
[ 16. April 2004, 01:58: Message edited by: Tramp ]
Melonie Tomb Raider
Thanks so much cathy. http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/hug.gif While Skooters nipping is a female trait, I think he is a male. His cere is blue and he bobs his head a lot. So far from all the traits I have read, I think he's a male. I'd be very shocked if not. Any way, thanks so muc hfor all the info. http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/hug.gif Maybe I'm just bad at taming, because I am having a really hard time taming him, I;ve had him about 6 months and I still can't get him out of his cage. He is a pretty shy bird though.
Its most likely then that he is too old to tame successfully, you really need to start with a very young bird. One that has just learnt to fly and eat on his own. You can tell them quite easily as they have the black barring right up over the head to the cere (they skin around the nostrils). The males cere colour will look like it is bruised and the females will be more white and their beaks will be darker. You could always get a young bird and tame that one and let him live in the same cage as Skooter. Skooter will also appreciate the company when there is no-one at home. Budgies prefer to be with other Budgies as they are a flock bird and in the wild live in flocks of thousands of birds. You can have two males together. If you do not have a lot of Budgies when you are breeding them they will not breed well as they need the noise and companionship of many of them to stimulate breeding response.
Melonie Tomb Raider
Skooter was very young when I got him. He hadn't even had his first molt yet then. I studied LOADS about budgies before I got him, so I made sure he was young. My trouble with taming is that I am tii afraid I will scare him too much and make him not trust me. I was petting him a lot today, but he just kept biting me and got a little scared so I stopped. Mom pet him a lot too, she does really good with him. Still, he is hard to tame for me. We were going to buy him a buddy but the guy there (He knows a lot about budgies) said that I shouldn't since he wouldn't bond with me as much. I told him about his slow process and he said all birds are different, some take a really LONG time. He said that I just need to try to tame him every day and be patient. " You will have him for about 20 years so you have plenty of time" is what he said. So I am taming him slowly and he is getting better every day. It's a slow process, but that's ok. http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/smile.gif
Yay yay, I have a guinea pig called Elli :D
FIRST, I gotta say FugitiveLara's messages have kinda p*ssed me up here :mad: Gp's DON'T poo and pee everywhere if u TEACH THEM to use wc! My little Elli is so sweet girl, she learned very quickly not to mess up the places, she goes to the WC when she has to excrete! More about that later on.... http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/mischievous.gif
Yeah so... where to start... well i haven't read all the msg's here so i don't know what the others have told u about gp's but here's some info:
First, all gp's don't like being cuddled! For example my Elli likes more to explore the house as we keep the cage open all the time (except at the night) so she can run in my room as much as she likes^^ All gp's are individual, u can't say all gp's like to be cuddled... most of them do, yes.
And, like laracroft said, gp's need to get LOTS of c-vitamin in their food/water as they can't synthesize it themselves... Best way to ensure your gp gets enough c, is to buy liquid vitamin and put it in the drinking bottle among the water. Of course u need to give vegetables, fruits etc. even if u feed them c-vitamin.. And be sure u don't feed your gp too much, as they get fat really easily! About 2 tablespoons gp-food in a day is enough + some vegetables/fruits etc.
So that was about food... then the next thing: Gp's are kinda shy animals, so it may take a while to tame them. They are scared of loud BANGS and loud voices of any kind, so u shouldn't keep too much noise when u're with them. U also shouldn't make fast moves and stuff like that, they get scared so easily.
Well now i could tell about that wc thing... If u don't wanna clean your house everyday bcz of gp-poop, train your gp a bit. Take a plate and fill it with catsand and everytime your gp poops, take the poop and put it in the plate-wc so your gp should learn it quite fast... or then it doesn't learn at all... but it's worth try.
In gp books they say that gp's don't bite... haha i say. Gp's are INDIVIDUAL, so u can't say they never bite. My Elli is just so bad-tempered and naughty she bites sometimes... :rolleyes: But only if she get's angry. Or scared... But usually gp's like to be cuddled, they squeak with delight when u are with them and pet them and stuff...^^ so be sure u spend enough time with your gp. They're very social animals...usually :rolleyes:
So WOW that's a long message!!! :eek: Hope u read it, Mel... and hope u get that gp!!! PM me if u want more info http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/wave.gif I know aaall about gp's ^^
No, :rolleyes: I had a real PIG! http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/bash.gif
That guy could not know too much about Budgies as it is extremely rare for them to live 20 years 10 to 12 would be an extremely ancient Budgie. Average age would be more like 4 to 6 so I don't think he is too much of an expert. If he was a ****atiel he would live around 20 years, the oldest we know of is around 30 and he lives in Brisbane Australia. I have a few in their mid teens. On average the smaller the bird the shorter their life span.
Australia is their native home and they are the most popular pet bird in this country. In Australia we are very proud of the fact that we have the second largest number of parrots indigenous to the country (around 50 species) and are second only to South America. We have some of the most diverse and colourful birds in the world. As I said I have kept Budgies for 40 years at least and now breed many species of Australian Parrots. I have studied bird psychology very extensively as because of my health I cannot do much physical activity so I sit and watch and study my birds a lot. I lecture in New South Wales on bird psychology and am considered an expert in this field.
I have read so many books on birds and they all say that to get a bird to bond to you, you must have them on their own, don't give them a mirror so they can't see another bird especially if you want them to talk. From my studies I have found that that is complete rubbish. I have something like 50 birds of various species in my bird room. More that half of them talk and I have never tried to teach them to talk, they have tought each other. At Christmas I was given a wild Sulfur Crested ****atoo that had damaged feathers and could not fly so he was unable to look after himself in the wild. Within a month he was talking and now he begs me to scratch his head and tickle him under the wings. This is a wild bird not a tame hand raised bird. Mel it all comes down to trust. You sound like you are a little afraid of him and believe me he will pick up on any fear you might feel. People tell me I have a special way with birds so maybe that is why they trust me so much, I don't know. I have birds together where one is hand raised the other is parrot raised and I have found that because the hand raised bird has no fear of me the parent raised bird becomes quiter and gentler and will allow me to touch them. The wild sulfur I believe has come to trust me because of my hand raised sulfur Sammy. When I go to feed Sammy in the morning, the first thing he does is come to the door and give me a cuddle. He snuggles right into me and gives me a kiss. Beavus looked very confused at first but it now seems that he thinks if Sammy is not frightened then I must be alright too. If Skooter is going to your mum a little more readily its because she is home with him more, so he is more used to her and she is spending more time with him. Keep trying with him. If when you are trying to touch him you are only using one finger like you are pointing to get him on your finger that is the wrong way to approach him. (Do you like someone sticking their finger in your face) Try making a fist when you put your hand in the cage, it is less threatening and also makes it harder for him to nip. When my birds are young I play with their beak alot so they learn that my fingers will not hurt them. Don't believe all that is written in most of the bird publications as there are so many falacies out there put about by people who really don't observe their birds.
By the way Sulfur Crested ****atoos are over 2 feet high and have very large beaks and can inflict an extremely bad bite.
One of the reasons I think you are having so much trouble is that you are putting your hand in the cage all the time and trying to tame him in the cage. You are then invading his territory and he does not like it. You really need to get him out of the cage and have his wing cut and play with him outside of the cage. This is neutral territory and not his home. You should have a lot more success.
[ 18. April 2004, 04:44: Message edited by: Tramp ]
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