View Full Version : So, Toby is out...
frodrigues
03-01-08, 00:27
One of the mags said he will only work as a cutscene creator since he "lives far from the studios". To me seems that Edios listened to us and fired him because that excuse the used was so lame. Annnnyway,
How do you think they will handle the story this time? Mommy's plot was Toby's creation, before him Legend had a very TR2 history (Lara x Bad people). And how far Toby is envolved with the plot was a cutscene director?
Should we be worried tho that he will be responsable for the cutscenes? :p And how come no one celebrated he is out? Lol.
I'm sure he'll be writing too, I'd be very surprised if he isn't!
Ward Dragon
03-01-08, 00:30
And how come no one celebrated he is out? Lol.
I will celebrate when the game delivers everything I want, regardless of who is in or out :p
I have no idea if it's good or bad that Gard is only doing the cutscenes. I recently found out he was responsible for designing one of my favorite rooms in TRA (the crystal obelisk rooms in the Sanctuary of the Scion) and I didn't like the cutscenes in Legend or the direction of Lara's character in TRA. So, I think I would have preferred if Gard had been limited to designing rooms without anything to do with the cutscenes. But I don't know enough about who did what to have a solid opinion on this matter.
I hope he wasn't involved in writing process at all.
Gard getting the sack, I can take or leave.
All I want is someone in charge who knows how to write a decent, non-Hollywood storyline.
Chiki Mina
03-01-08, 00:59
Well...
I really don't know what to say on Mr. Gard. I'm feeling a bit raw. He has said some nasty stuff to a company who helpped him bring Tomb Raider. A hard CORE game.
He's still gonna be part of it. But I don't really care. As long as I get what I want from this game. I could care less on who takes over. The only company who I will always dedicate is Core.
I'm both excited and a bit afraid about this. On one hand, I really liked the main story in TR:A and I know Toby was responsible for that. But on the other hand, he's also responsible for Lara's new crappy bio and motivation (ugh..), everything parent-related and Lara's sappieness towards them. So all I'm hoping for is less parents' business and "everything's connected to her mom and the sword and Avalon" etc.....
Lara's home
03-01-08, 01:08
I agree with gtkilla.
I think they will manage it just fine. I dont like how Toby see's Lara anyway.
Off topic..
Bloody hell Rivendell! You're avatar is so fattening! :eek:
There is still Mail, e-Mail, and other ways Toby could work with CD. He obviously doesn't live too far if hes working on the cutscenes now is he? ;)
I'd say keep him for level design. I did like the crystal obelisk room as well.
As far as Lara's new personality I don't think he did a very good job. Most of us Tomb Raiders are not happy with Lara's development. Don't think keeping him as a responsible for the cutscenes would be a good idea, since her personality shows in cutscenes more than during the game.
Chiki Mina
03-01-08, 01:16
I'm both excited and a bit afraid about this. On one hand, I really liked the main story in TR:A and I know Toby was responsible for that. But on the other hand, he's also responsible for Lara's new crappy bio and motivation (ugh..), everything parent-related and Lara's sappieness towards them. So all I'm hoping for is less parents' business and "everything's connected to her mom and the sword and Avalon" etc.....
Mhm, I agree.
I liked the Avalon story and the Anni story. What bothers me is on how he decided to make Lara raid tombs for a purpose. There was never any purpose, exactly. She raided for sports. She raided because she simply can.
I just don't like it on how the purpose to raid is to please mommy and daddy.
well I dont know if we have to celebrate , but i hope they handle just fine, that room was sooo good in anniversary he should help creating rooms...
Indiana Croft
03-01-08, 01:35
Oh, I feel bad for Toby. Tomb Raider was his baby, and it gets taken away from him twice:(
Chiki Mina
03-01-08, 01:37
Well, he sure abused a bit on his "baby" and the people who helpped him raise the baby.
Mhm, I agree.
I liked the Avalon story and the Anni story. What bothers me is on how he decided to make Lara raid tombs for a purpose. There was never any purpose, exactly. She raided for sports. She raided because she simply can.
I just don't like it on how the purpose to raid is to please mommy and daddy.
She's not pleasing "Mommy and Daddy", but herself. She wants to find her mother. I think it's quite disturbing, because I know Lara is very powerful and doesn't rely on others, so I don't like the fact that her mom and her dad stepped into the game... Anyways, I just hope she's going to be independent like she used to be... :(
Chiki Mina
03-01-08, 01:40
I thought this game was with Lara Croft. Not Lara Croft featuring mommy and daddy croft.
Mhm, I agree.
I liked the Avalon story and the Anni story. What bothers me is on how he decided to make Lara raid tombs for a purpose. There was never any purpose, exactly. She raided for sports. She raided because she simply can.
I just don't like it on how the purpose to raid is to please mommy and daddy.
I agreee with you. In Anniversary she says she only plays for sport however between that line and the way she jumped up when Natla said daddy it seemed as though if Lara only went out to raid tombs every five years. It also made it seem as though if she only want to raid tombs unless something personally gained her attention and not because she wanted to discover things just for the thrill of it.
*sigh* I miss CORE Design and good old fashioned Lara.
I love Lara's new personality, she actual has one now. As annoying as some of you find zip and alister, i like the fact that she has friends/partners. The first time i really noticed this was way back in TR4, when they introduced Jean Yves, and i thought "Wow, a character in TR that isn't Lara's enemy, but a friend". Sure, they may overdo it in some cases, but i like that they gave her emotions, it makes her more likable, more human. In the earlier games she just seemed so cold and distant. She can still be the strong, independent, able-bodied, woman she's always been without all that "i don't need any friends, i don't need any family, i don't need anyone but myself" attitude that i saw so many times in the earlier games.
silver_wolf
03-01-08, 03:07
well said. I love the "new Lara"
Carbonek_0051
03-01-08, 03:08
Oh, I feel bad for Toby. Tomb Raider was his baby, and it gets taken away from him twice:(
I agree...
Oh well who knows maybe if the cutscenes blow over well in Underworld then maybe they will give him a bigger par with the next TR.....
hopefully i like where he has taken lara...
She has a purpose for raiding and it adds character and more backstory into lara...
So props Mr. Gard...;)
Good riddance, Mr. Gard, and don't come back.
Chiki Mina
03-01-08, 03:19
Lara Croft didn't need any changes. She was perfect the way she was. I could've accepted it if it was something on another level but still having her character.
Changing her biography and making her all sappy raiding for mom and dad is not an "add in character." It's a complete change of character that I did not like and did not recognize.
Hold on..
Aren't the cutscenes the parts where most people have put together 'Emotional Lara'? People who hate Toby, don't get too excited. I don't mind though, but I can't see the scowling Lara we've seen, to look sad. Maybe a moment where she shuts her eyes in sadness, but IMO the 'Emotional Lara', who is sad alot, has gone. We'll just have to wait and see. :)
well now that I read another thread about a lot of things that they edit in legend , I dont know if toby was resposible... but legend was waay better with those slide puzzles and bike puzzles... so I guess is positive to say goodbye to mr toby lol
Lara Croft didn't need any changes. She was perfect the way she was. I could've accepted it if it was something on another level but still having her character.
Changing her biography and making her all sappy raiding for mom and dad is not an "add in character." It's a complete change of character that I did not like and did not recognize.
i agree she didnt need any changes. But lets sa f Toby really needed to change the thing that damn badly he didnt have to do it so drastically. I think there was already a sentence in there about a plane crash in the himilayas so all he needed to do was add onto that idea with one sentence and then change the status of her parents from living to deceased in one sentence. Two or three sentences vs a whole biography change. Toby is a jerk who changed her bio for no reason but to fit a character whose name he did nothin to make Lara the icon she is today. He left her and now wants to come back like some parent who feels as though just because he drew her . As far as im concerned Core Design raised her through thick and thin until the evil child services known as Eidos wrecklessly ripped her away from her parnts.
The change was done,there`s no turning back.She needs to be much more adult,because she looks like a silly teenager.I mean,they changed the story and bio but there`s no need to change the "escence" of Lara Croft.
I'm sure he'll be writing too, I'd be very surprised if he isn't!
I think he's just the director. Well, at least I really hope so.
He writting the story again would suck.
ajrich17901
03-01-08, 06:37
My thoughts exactly dont let the door hit ya:jmp:
Good riddance, Mr. Gard, and don't come back.
I agree with gtkilla.
I think they will manage it just fine. I dont like how Toby see's Lara anyway.
Off topic..
Bloody hell Rivendell! You're avatar is so fattening! :eek:
Sorry,but I think that Lara's own creator knows better than anyone how Lara is supposed to be.:)
I mean, Toby's her creator, her father (:p)...
I think he'll still be working on TR in future!!
General Croft
03-01-08, 08:09
Sorry,but I think that Lara's own creator knows better than anyone how Lara is supposed to be.:)
Core were Lara's real creator...Toby just drew her. ;)
Shark_Blade
03-01-08, 08:40
Good that he's out of the way, now we can see what Crystal Dynamics are made of!!
Should we be worried tho that he will be responsable for the cutscenes? :p And how come no one celebrated he is out?
Because it's nothing personal against him. I just don't like his vision of Lara Croft.
I'm worried about the cut scenes. Dumb expressions on Lara's face, tears, and quotes like "Mother", or "I have to go back..."...
I never blamed Toby. Everyone can make a mistakes. He changed Lara because everything changes and everything should be changed but he could have done it better. Everyone acts on their own. Not every game should be great just hope other tr will be better whatever will Toby have a new chance or not
The fact he will be working on the cinematics just shows how much he would be controlling the story and the way Lara behaves in the cut-scenes.
So I don't get why all the happiness when in fact, instead on focusing his energy on designing areas (like the SoS room),he'd be busy giving us more "insightful" scenes of Lara loosing control over her emotions. :rolleyes:
Lara has always been tough.. and he mades her.. soft :smk:
I don't link this and I'm really hoping that Lara becomes tough again in underworld :)
EDIT:
I'm worried about the cut scenes. Dumb expressions on Lara's face, tears, and quotes like "Mother", or "I have to go back..."...:yik:
Now that he's gone maybe there will be writers who actually have imagination and know the difference between good motivation and family-gone-missing cliché's:) I'm afraid he might still screw it up though as the cut scene director... That means he still has a lot of power on the storyline :/
I'm not saying everything Toby does is wrong, I just know that what he's turned Lara into now is not the Lara I used to know:( Lara used to be a strong, tough and confident woman who "only played for sport". It seems the way Toby sees it she's an innocent pretty-girl who whatever she does has to do with getting mom back:(
I'm worried about the cut scenes. Dumb expressions on Lara's face, tears, and quotes like "Mother", or "I have to go back..."...
Your scaring me RAID:eek:
Sorry,but I think that Lara's own creator knows better than anyone how Lara is supposed to be.:)
wow what a empty statement.
Number 1 -For the recors Toby only drew Lara , Core Design made Lara the iconic badass she is today. Core raised and nurtured her down to the last wire.
Number 2- Toby left Lara in the dust and let some other people become her parents so he doesnt know whats good for her. He left the minute she was being advertised as a sex symbol which i commend him for because if thats not the way he wanted to see his character portrayed then so be it. But the fact that Lara is a sex symbol had to have crossed his mind it is practically inavoiadable because of her big boobs and skinny waist. That being said he still shouldnt have left because Core Design wasnt advertising sexually and then making a game that is purely sexual. I could understand if Toby created some of the Dead or Alive girls and then was like hey this isnt right because they are practically wearing nothing in my game, their breast jiggle crazily, and your developing borderline softcore lesbian volleyball porn, but that wasnt the case with CORE. So if Toby really cared about Lara's well-being he should have stayed for TR 2 onward but he didnt .
It's funny how Toby complained about Lara being a sex symbol, and then when he takes over we get the most reaviling outfits ever. Japan dress from Legend and the TRU outfit screams with cleavage:p
Its sort of like when Christina Aguilere accused Britney of selling on her body. And then two weeks later she comes out with that boxing video - ten times worse than Spears would ever have dreamed of doing:rolleyes:
Lara Croft Fan Joe
03-01-08, 11:57
I can't blame Toby for anything, but I'd imagine he's about as useful as a guide dog with no eyes and 1 leg missing.
GodOfLight
03-01-08, 12:00
The fact he will be working on the cinematics just shows how much he would be controlling the story and the way Lara behaves in the cut-scenes.
So I don't get why all the happiness when in fact, instead on focusing his energy on designing areas (like the SoS room),he'd be busy giving us more "insightful" scenes of Lara loosing control over her emotions. :rolleyes:
exactly. this isnt a good thing at all... it means he is in charge of the storyboards for the cutscenes and reviews them. this means we get to see more moments of Lara saying to herself 'I'm sorry father...' great.. .really terrific...
What Toby is out! NOWAY
That is too bad I really http://www.ben-newman.de/smilie/sad/209219.gif
:mad:Karima is not Lara model, Toby is out :cen:GREAT what next no Free-Roaming.... yeah that is out to.:hea:
Oh, I feel bad for Toby. Tomb Raider was his baby, and it gets taken away from him twice:(
I absolute agree.
EDIT:Zip & Alistar Not In Underworld. O NO I have feeling that old Lara is back.
Woohoo... poor Toby, everyone's pointing at him... we don't know the whole story about what happened, right? So cool down :)
Nooooooooooo!
Why is Toby out!? It is really horrible!
Karima - Best Tr model, and now Toby! Who else? Lara!?
Moon-Safari
03-01-08, 12:39
If toby had anything to do with Legend's story then I must say, he is very out of touch with Lara Croft and Tomb Raider.
exactly. this isnt a good thing at all... it means he is in charge of the storyboards for the cutscenes and reviews them. this means we get to see more moments of Lara saying to herself 'I'm sorry father...' great.. .really terrific...
...leave him alone? What exactly is so terribly awful about Lara having emotions? After we saw her back side most of the time... Right, I agree in some points; I think they shouldn't exaggerate with Lara becoming whiny but a pinch of sensitivity is appropriate ;)
;2370812']Nooooooooooo!
Why is Toby out!? It is really horrible!
Karima - Best Tr model, and now Toby! Who else? Lara!?
:vlol:LARA that is impossible, well if is that will be ''Freaks in Tomb Raider'';)
stormyhorse
03-01-08, 13:42
Gard wasn't responsible of the storyline of TRL.
Poor Gard has nothing to decide about Laras character.
Eidos has the complete rights about Laras character. They have a complete staff developing her character by marketing.
The mommy-daddy-crap and Zip and Alister have the reasons in the movies. This elements are in the movies (like the xtra big mansion). Gard has nothing to do with the movies.
Livingston sees the need to put the games and the movies together.
This is an interview with Livingston:
http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=18961
...We've also made plans for an anniversary edition which will be coming out next year, based on Lara Croft, due to the fact that we've just gone past her 10th birthday, and there's another game in development too.
We're also talking to Paramount about a third movie, although nothing's been signed yet and we still need to hire a script writer. The film's not been green lit yet, so for me it'd be ideal to tie in a movie script with a game script at the same time, to have them both in harmony rather than out of kilter - which has happened in the past.
Of course, the film helps promote the game and the game helps promote the movie, so it's a win-win situation. It's quite significant as well because publishers tend to take a license from Hollywood, and go off to make a game based on a movie. I think this was the first time it's been done successfully, where a game company has licensed a game property to a film company to make a movie, and they did it very well. It grossed over US$450 million in box office receipts and a further US$100 million in DVD sales and rentals, so it was a significant success as a movie - and even more so in the fact that it was a game property. ..
Gard wasn't responsible of the storyline of TRL.
Poor Gard has nothing to decide about Laras character.
Eidos has the complete rights about Laras character. They have a complete staff developing her character by marketing.
The mommy-daddy-crap and Zip and Alister have the reasons in the movies. This elements are in the movies (like the xtra big mansion). Gard has nothing to do with the movies.
Livingston sees the need to put the games and the movies together.
This is an interview with Livingston:
http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=18961
...We've also made plans for an anniversary edition which will be coming out next year, based on Lara Croft, due to the fact that we've just gone past her 10th birthday, and there's another game in development too.
We're also talking to Paramount about a third movie, although nothing's been signed yet and we still need to hire a script writer. The film's not been green lit yet, so for me it'd be ideal to tie in a movie script with a game script at the same time, to have them both in harmony rather than out of kilter - which has happened in the past.
Of course, the film helps promote the game and the game helps promote the movie, so it's a win-win situation. It's quite significant as well because publishers tend to take a license from Hollywood, and go off to make a game based on a movie. I think this was the first time it's been done successfully, where a game company has licensed a game property to a film company to make a movie, and they did it very well. It grossed over US$450 million in box office receipts and a further US$100 million in DVD sales and rentals, so it was a significant success as a movie - and even more so in the fact that it was a game property. ..
Actually, he has everything to do with TRL story...he's the one who rewrote everything Crystal did before his arrival.
In all of the interviews he (and other people) admits that he completely rewrote the story for Legend and ended up altering her look and even been involved with the cinematics:
Link 1 (http://www.tombraiderforums.com/showpost.php?p=1717033&postcount=30)
Link 2 (http://www.tombraiderforums.com/showpost.php?p=1717043&postcount=31)
But the point now, that he's not really out...he just gonna focus more on the story than on level design So he’s far from being out.
illuminati30
03-01-08, 14:38
He isn't out, he is still playing a part. He maybe doesn't want to live in San Francisco, that is highly possible. I think he is the only British person still involved in the game development?
ThomasCroft
03-01-08, 14:53
Oh, I feel bad for Toby. Tomb Raider was his baby, and it gets taken away from him twice:(
Ooooooooh GOD I CRIIINGE when Tomb Raider is referred to as Gard's "baby"!!! :hea:
Core was responsible for Tomb Raider - the company! Gard was nothing but an employee who came up with the concept of Lara!!
:o
I'm not sure where people get the idea that Gard is out. He is Director of Cinematics, and that means he'll be the main person to complain to when we end up with a tad too emotional portrayal of Lara. Let's just hope Gard does hear us out.
I'm not sure where people get the idea that Gard is out. He is Director of Cinematics, and that means he'll be the main person to complain to when we end up with a tad too emotional portrayal of Lara. Let's just hope Gard does hear us out.
Agree, we are a bit harsh on the old fellow. Perhaps it's still my contempt from him seizing the series after a five-game absence.
Really, if Toby would really leave, I bet that at least half of the players wouldn't even notice it...
I really don't care about Toby. I hate his hypocrisy and arrogant attitude towards Lara and Core design, but I have more important things to worry about.
Lara Croft Fan Joe
03-01-08, 15:07
Its not like they cant make the games without that, TR2, 3 and to a lesser extent, 4 were really great IMO. And what happens when he steps back in? We get an over-emotional Lara, annoying new characters, and a (IMO) very boring, dull, predictable story.
Its not like they cant make the games without that, TR2, 3 and to a lesser extent, 4 were really great IMO. And what happens when he steps back in? We get an over-emotional Lara, annoying new characters, and a (IMO) very boring, dull, predictable story.
I don't think so :)... I like story, Lara, whole game, I think there are more people,
who liked Legend too ;)... So I don't think we.
This whole thing has become a total fiasco due to misconceptions on behalf of fans and media and misplacements of duty on behalf of Gard himself.
Toby is a talented character designer who should be considered every bit as talented as any of the other character designers that have come and gone throughout the years. I'll point out Fergus Duggan (http://www.fergusduggan.com/), who worked on AOD as an example.
But for some reason, Toby Gard as a person has been totally twisted until he's become nothing more than a figure of ridicule amongst fans and totally misplaced as a cutscene director.
There is no doubt in my mind that Toby Gard could do excellent things for the series if he would only return to character design and people, starting with media actually start to get a realistic clue about what the guy is actually all about.
I think it is very sad, the point that has been reached here with this guy who simply designed Lara Croft and originally shared the same passion I, and other artists have. Like I said, a total fiasco, a mess...
;2371269']I don't think so :)... I like story, Lara, whole game, I think there are more people,
who liked Legend too ;)... So I don't think we.
Actually a recent poll conducted - as well as a series of surveys by a forum veteran a few months back - showed that TR2/3 fans outnumbered Legend and Anniversary combined...
But for some reason, Toby Gard as a person has been totally twisted until he's become nothing more than a figure of ridicule amongst fans and totally misplaced as a cutscene director.
There is no doubt in my mind that Toby Gard could do excellent things for the series if he would only return to character design and people, starting with media actually start to get a realistic clue about what the guy is actually all about.
I agree, I think too much blame is put on Toby. I don't agree with his perception of Lara's and the series' future, but I doubt he alone is responsible for all of Legend's shortcomings. I even doubt Eidos would let any single person rewrite their most important franchise's story. I'm sure he made mistakes, but so did other people.
I do think he's partly responsible for his negative image, though. He seems to like to play up his part in Lara's creation, and he never bothers to correct the media when they portray him as the one and only Godfather of TR. If you accept all the laurels, you've got to be prepared to take the rotten tomatoes, too. Neither is deserved in his case, IMO.
*throws tomatoes at gard* :mis:
Won't miss him, he isn't all that responsible for the overall TR experience. The sooner they dump his dead weight the better. :tmb: Just a glory hound and someone to roll out any time eidos is worried they aren't pleasing the old school players, like an old familiar name will make everything better... :rolleyes: Truth be told old schoolers aren't that fond of him and his denial of all others that made TR. :ohn:
Chiki Mina
03-01-08, 18:09
What Toby is out! NOWAY
That is too bad I really http://www.ben-newman.de/smilie/sad/209219.gif
:mad:Karima is not Lara model, Toby is out :cen:GREAT what next no Free-Roaming.... yeah that is out to.:hea:
I absolute agree.
EDIT:Zip & Alistar Not In Underworld. O NO I have feeling that old Lara is back.
Oh, you're making me drool :p. I wish the old Lara would be back but with changes done correctly. Not changing her entire biography and making her this sappy woman wanting to sit on her mommy's lap again. Don't care for Zip and Alister. They are alright, but don't need them. I work alone. Lara works alone.
Nothing against Toby. Though, I feel raw...he abused his "baby" and the people who helped him raise his baby - a company that was hard CORE.
And what's with the Lara model issue :confused:. There are better things to worry about than who gets to pose as Lara croft :p.
I really think he is still too much involved. I could bear if he only messes up lara's look and makes her liek a bimbo. But teh storyline is so importent fr me. I really REALLY dont want to see her crying for her mommy again
Ward Dragon
03-01-08, 22:02
I really think he is still too much involved. I could bear if he only messes up lara's look and makes her liek a bimbo. But teh storyline is so importent fr me. I really REALLY dont want to see her crying for her mommy again
I don't think Lara will act that way in Underworld based upon something I read in the new magazine article.
*potential spoiler* Hilight to read :) It has a comment about the direction of the story.
What we’re showcasing today is definitively a lot darker compared to Legend. When you’ll play the game, and get to understand how big of a turn the storyline will take, you’ll understand why Lara has got a darker look.
"She’s going to go through something tragic , and we wanted that to show off in her image." – Rob Pavey (head programmer)
http://www.tombraiderforums.com/showthread.php?t=115784
Im sorry I cant reply to that because I am trying to keep spoiler free
@Ward Dragon: OMG! :jmp: I predicted there would be a twist to set things right. :mis:
*potential spoiler* Hilight to read :D
Tomb Raider Legend was a huge hit recovering the franchise, and Toby Gard got a lot of credit for Lara’s new appearance. Is he still a part of the team?
- He’s still a part of the team, but he’s not as involved as he was in Legend and Anniversary. He’s the one directing the cutscenes of TRU, but he also worked on some parts of the storyline with us.
But that isn`t spoiler ;)
So don`t worry :)
But that isn`t spoiler ;)
So don`t worry :)
That's a pity...:(:(:(
Ward Dragon
03-01-08, 22:30
Im sorry I cant reply to that because I am trying to keep spoiler free
That's what I thought, so I put the actual quote in white :) I don't want to spoil the vague information they gave about the story. I just wanted to reassure you that I don't think Lara will be crying in Underworld :D
That's what I thought, so I put the actual quote in white :) I don't want to spoil the vague information they gave about the story. I just wanted to reassure you that I don't think Lara will be crying in Underworld :D
I am proud to say That all I know about the story is that it has something to do wth the mayan s :D :D :D And thanks for not spoiling... unlie some poeple I have seen around :pi:
About the cryng - you never know ehat they can serve us :pi: But what I was refering to was that her mamma plot is quite sissy. Sure lara would save her mother if she was in trouble - but I really want a real tr game without this kind of poo.
Anyway back on topic. So I see a light in the end of the tunnel! Toby might be absolutely gone for tr9! :jmp:
ThomasCroft
03-01-08, 22:56
Anyway back on topic. So I see a light in the end of the tunnel! Toby might be absolutely gone for tr9! :jmp:
You can hope. But we're never gonna get rid of that *******.
I hate him, he's so gross!!
LOL poor Toby,i didn`t so bad in TRA.But,fresh minds to greatest things :D
Lara's home
03-01-08, 22:58
I hate him, he's so gross!!
Sorry, but that made me lol. :p
frodrigues
03-01-08, 23:05
[:D]
Tomb Raider Legend was a huge hit recovering the franchise, and Toby Gard got a lot of credit for Lara’s new appearance. Is he still a part of the team?
- He’s still a part of the team, but he’s not as involved as he was in Legend and Anniversary. He’s the one directing the cutscenes of TRU, but he also worked on some parts of the storyline with us.
LaraLover32
03-01-08, 23:11
I am kinda in the dark on this one...I don't know why everyone wants toby out...what did he do to make him hated? he CREATED lara didn't he?
I am kinda in the dark on this one...I don't know why everyone wants toby out...what did he do to make him hated? he CREATED lara didn't he?
Yep he did, but he also talks about Core like they came from the deepest corner of hell and they did nothing good woth TR. And he was the one who re-wrote Lara's bio in Legend.
I also find him arrogant and hypocrite, but that's just a personal opinion.
ThomasCroft
03-01-08, 23:15
he CREATED lara didn't he?
He came up with the concept of Lara, yes. BUT Core were the ones who developed Lara over the series until the masterpiece we know as AOD Lara fluttered into our lives. :ton:
Anyway I hate Toby Gard.
He talks funny and looks like a real nerd.
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I hate him, he's so gross!!
I agree. :wve:
I hate him, he's so gross!!
You do not even know the man, and l am starting to get tired of people making personal attacks on others, there is no reason for it and if the tone of this thread does not improve immediately this "hate" thread is going the same way as all the others. For those youngsters having trouble reading, Toby Gard is still involved with making the games, so get over it!!
Sorry, but that made me lol. :p
Haha, but he is. He's not doing any good, fire his ass! :) That's my honest opinion. :D
ThomasCroft
03-01-08, 23:26
Haha, but he is. He's not doing any good, fire his ass! :) That's my honest opinion. :D
Yes. From what I've heard, all he does is hinder.
He gets the blood taken from TRL because he "didn't want it to be a gorefest booo hoooo hoooooooo".
He involves Lara's parents for some "emotional feewings lawl".
He turns her image into a teenage cheerleader.
HE'S A LOSER!
LaraLover32
03-01-08, 23:27
oh...i guess he's just a good for nothing ******* by the way you talk about him...can I say *******...hope so...sorry if that is a no:o
LaraLover32
03-01-08, 23:28
oh...i guess he's just a good for nothing ******* by the way you talk about him...can I say *******...hope so...sorry if that is a no:o
guess not:o:p:o
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I agree with Aussie (for once!) This is getting ridiculous.
tlr online
03-01-08, 23:29
Back on topic please. If you can't comment in an adult fashion, I will fix it for you.
Larson_1988
03-01-08, 23:31
We all loved and still love TR1, who was one of the main creators of that game? It was Toby himself, so why not appreciate that he is involved with the developing of the new Tomb Raiders? Because he is truly great! :tmb: He also did a good job with Legend and Anniversary!
Anyway, whether Toby is involved or not, I can't wait to hear more about the plot for this one. It has the potential to surpass AOD storywise if done correctly.
He came up with the concept of Lara, yes. BUT Core were the ones who developed Lara over the series until the masterpiece we know as AOD Lara fluttered into our lives. :ton:
Eww...more like train wreck. :p
I definitely don't like what he said about Core and about AoD. I also don't like how he rewrote the Legend story and Lara's biograpohy.
I don't know him personally so I won't post any personal critic on him but I AM happy that he isn't involved as much in TRU as he was in TRL and TRA. Hope they will make most dark and mature story they can do with the mummy plot.
The next comment that comes out in a childish manner will have their posts deleted, the thread locked and a possible suspension. Act like adults.
I agree, I think too much blame is put on Toby. I don't agree with his perception of Lara's and the series' future, but I doubt he alone is responsible for all of Legend's shortcomings. I even doubt Eidos would let any single person rewrite their most important franchise's story. I'm sure he made mistakes, but so did other people.
I do think he's partly responsible for his negative image, though. He seems to like to play up his part in Lara's creation, and he never bothers to correct the media when they portray him as the one and only Godfather of TR. If you accept all the laurels, you've got to be prepared to take the rotten tomatoes, too. Neither is deserved in his case, IMO.
True, he is partly responsible but it takes two to tango and the media should know their stuff. I mean, they (the media) wouldn't wait to be corrected by politicians if they happened to get their political facts wrong would they? Its up to the media whether the people get to know what the real deal is and its the media that ultimately holds sway over how an individual is viewed. By something as simple as omitting certain facts, the portrayal of certain people can be changed a lot. My point being, they're as much to blame. So you're right, neither is deserved in his case.
Obviously someone won't listen. No Reggie, it's not you.
This thread is closed until further notice.
tlr online
04-01-08, 00:18
Thread reopens. See you in 72 hours remyma.
Anyone else having trouble putting their argument across in an adult fashion can also expect a vacation.
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