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Warner Bros' now exclusively tied with the Blu-ray format. Here's what Microsoft (Xbox marketing manager Albert Penello) has to say:
"You can't say it's not a bummer, not a setback, but I've seen this battle declared over so many times. I want consumers to have a voice in this and I think there are a lot of consumers who bought HD-DVD who are going to have a say in how this shakes out."
More info:
http://www.gamespot.com/news/6184469.html
http://www.pocket-lint.co.uk/news/news.phtml/12156/13180/microsoft-xbox-could-go-blu-ray.phtml
The winner of this 'battle' will definitely be in Microsoft's next console.
ajrich17901
09-01-08, 11:15
O_o why would they wanna sony is the one who wanted if i remember correctly mircrosoft thought blue ray was useless not that long ago, grr thank god i love sony lol
VonCroy360
09-01-08, 11:24
Well, imo this was expected, and it's definitely a good idea.
Just cause they are competition in the gaming industry, doesn't mean Microsoft has to boycott everything Sony's other subsidiaries do (the same way Sony's computers use Windows). :)
ajrich17901
09-01-08, 11:27
Hmm maybe if xbox ditches the whol dvd thing we will stop gettin half assed ps3 game ports? :D
Well, imo this was expected, and it's definitely a good idea.
Just cause they are competition in the gaming industry, doesn't mean Microsoft has to boycott everything Sony's other subsidiaries do (the same way Sony's computers use Windows). :)
I think this can only be good news. I like how Microsoft seems to be swallowing their pride in order to expand their console's audience and functionality.
disneyprincess20
09-01-08, 11:48
They're getting the one-up on the PS3; a consumer who wants to buy a entertainment system rather than a straight games console would probably be more likely to get the 360 with the blu-ray upgrade, because it plays both formats unlike the PS3. It's sneaky, but clever.
They're getting the one-up on the PS3; a consumer who wants to buy a entertainment system rather than a straight games console would probably be more likely to get the 360 with the blu-ray upgrade, because it plays both formats unlike the PS3. It's sneaky, but clever.
Ditto. Wise decision-making, that. Takes a bit of boldness to admit you'll have to make improvements. As far as I know though, the Blu-ray upgrade would only be for playing movies...or am I mistaken?
Necromanser
09-01-08, 11:56
^^^^
It would also prevent piracy and since the capacity is larger there may be an improvement in graphics or gameplay.
interstellardave
09-01-08, 12:05
HD-DVD has nothing to do with games on the 360... they are on DVD and will remain on DVD. A Blu Ray add-on would simply play movies, just like the HD-DVD add-on currently does.
As for games, show me a Blu Ray game that is clearly superior graphically and in length, etc, than any 360 game and then I'll believe the hype. Said game doesn't exist and I've seen nothing on the horizon like that either.
HD-DVD has nothing to do with games on the 360... they are on DVD and will remain on DVD. A Blu Ray add-on would simply play movies, just like the HD-DVD add-on currently does.
As for games, show me a Blu Ray game that is clearly superior graphically and in length, etc, than any 360 game and then I'll believe the hype. Said game doesn't exist and I've seen nothing on the horizon like that either.
I'd say the same. The only apparent difference perceivable (redundancy much?) is the higher storage space for the Blu-ray format. A 360-exclusive Mistwalker RPG (Lost Odyssey) had to span four discs (http://news.filefront.com/lost-odyssey-to-span-four-discs/) on the DVD format, but it still is arguably one of the best-looking games out there. Or am I totally talking crap?
interstellardave
09-01-08, 12:24
I'd say the same. The only apparent difference perceivable (redundancy much?) is the higher storage space for the Blu-ray format. A 360-exclusive Mistwalker RPG (Lost Odyssey) had to span four discs (http://news.filefront.com/lost-odyssey-to-span-four-discs/) on the DVD format, but it still is arguably one of the best-looking games out there. Or am I totally talking crap?
Wow... I didn't know any 360 game used multiple dvds, let alone 4! Still, aside from Sony fanboys making fun of that fact, what's the big deal about that? I don't think it's a system-killer. Plus they keep making higher capactity dvds all the time, and compression gets better and better.
Wow... I didn't know any 360 game used multiple dvds, let alone 4! Still, aside from Sony fanboys making fun of that fact, what's the big deal about that? I don't think it's a system-killer. Plus they keep making higher capactity dvds all the time, and compression gets better and better.
The glass is half full, innit? I'll have to see it the same way. I'll (have to) be behind 360 all the way for this generation, apparently.
blue dragon had 3 disks, although that game sucks
blue dragon had 3 disks, although that game sucks
Actually, if I remember correctly, BD boosted sales for 360 in Japan for quite a bit. It's solid RPG games the Japanese audience wants, and that's what they got with BD. News is though, Lost Odyssey hasn't done much difference for the 360 though since its launch.
Actually, if I remember correctly, BD boosted sales for 360 in Japan for quite a bit. It's solid RPG games the Japanese audience wants, and that's what they got with BD. News is though, Lost Odyssey hasn't done much difference for the 360 though since its launch.
hmmmmm its still an awful game lol, its too slow.
Japan is quite a fickle place though as far as gaming goes.
O_o why would they wanna sony is the one who wanted if i remember correctly mircrosoft thought blue ray was useless not that long ago, grr thank god i love sony lol
they did,they also said HDMI was pointless....funny that, but i'm not going to comment on this news (not here anyway) but lets just say i love it when companies have to swallow some pride ;)
Well, if Microsoft didn't swallow their pride here, they would have to swallow money (i.e. loose potential sales), and it's not as if they could have seriously expanded their world domination with HD-DVD anyway.
I do believe that some people at Microsoft are mighty glad they didn't go with built-in HD-DVD right now.
interstellardave
09-01-08, 14:04
Well, if Microsoft didn't swallow their pride here, they would have to swallow money (i.e. loose potential sales), and it's not as if they could have seriously expanded their world domination with HD-DVD anyway.
I do believe that some people at Microsoft are mighty glad they didn't go with built-in HD-DVD right now.
Toshiba is the main proponent of HD-DVD, although MS is a major backer too...
THINK ABOUT THIS: If MS had gone with a built-in HD-DVD player this "war" might have been a blowout early on... in HD-DVD's favor. I think the only thing that has helped Blu Ray take the lead is PS3 sales... Sonys' strategy, shaky at first, has definitely worked.
Toshiba is the main proponent of HD-DVD, although MS is a major backer too...
THINK ABOUT THIS: If MS had gone with a built-in HD-DVD player this "war" might have been a blowout early on... in HD-DVD's favor. I think the only thing that has helped Blu Ray take the lead is PS3 sales... Sonys' strategy, shaky at first, has definitely worked.
i'll agree with that Interstellar, had MS indeed put HD-DVD in the 360, the situation
A,might be different or
B, still a stalemate
it was a bold move by Sony, put people forget Blu-Ray was a fundamental part of PS3 (it was built around it) be it gaming or movies..........got to hand it to them though, it's like Poker and Sony kept a straight face :jmp: but yes it could have harmed the gaming division had it all gone wrong :(
@ Rivendell Yay! Blu-Ray
only IF Paramount use it's get out clause (according to the Financial Times) ;)
Toshiba is the main proponent of HD-DVD, although MS is a major backer too...
THINK ABOUT THIS: If MS had gone with a built-in HD-DVD player this "war" might have been a blowout early on... in HD-DVD's favor. I think the only thing that has helped Blu Ray take the lead is PS3 sales... Sonys' strategy, shaky at first, has definitely worked.
True, that's a possibility as well.
Not long ago, all my money would have been on combined Blu-Ray&HD-DVD devices, but now it looks as if there is a clear winner.
Couldn't care less to be honest...
I just want blu-ray cases to be the same size as other cases.
They make your DVD/game collection look messy.
:wve:
The thing with multiple discs is it's showing that DVD is becoming too small for current games. Sure multiple discs are fine but some games can't really be used with multiple discs. Sandbox games (GTA), fighting games (Tekken), racing games (Gran Turismo) and World sim games (Viva Pinata or Sim City) would all falter and break down if they were to be on multiple discs. Multiple discs would generally be fine for PCs if they were to be installed on the HDD as standard PC HDDs currently have a lot more space than console HDDs.
Also, disc issues have already arised. The big star being Assassin's Creed. Granted it was only one or two languages that they were having problems with (even this is an issue - seperate discs to harbour different languages of the same game is really a waste of space) but taking out those languages could harm potential sales.
Plus you have the additional costs of the extra discs for the publisher. One disc may cost 5p, 4 discs will soon amount and that's for ONE copy of the game. It may not seem much but the costs will go up and the publisher will get less profit which is what they'll be thinking about.
I'm not bothered about the actual changing of discs it just annoys me as it really interrupts the flow of the game and really brings you out of it. And the way I see it, more space > less space. I'd much rather a developer have extra space than not enough space.
This is what I argued a long time ago about the advantage of modularity. It gives you the fexibility to go in many directions.
If this spurs many companies to start to develop low cost Blu Ray players this could hurt PS3 sales since they will now have further competition. It could help Sony by bringing the cost of Blu Ray down but they may not be able to compete with dedicated movie players
If this spurs many companies to start to develop low cost Blu Ray players this could hurt PS3 sales since they will now have further competition.
i thought PS3 was a gaming device first and foremost, as such i fail to see how cheap NON gaming Blu-Ray players would harm PS3 sales....
now, if you were referring to Sony's own stand alone players you'd have a point...........but PS3 IS a gaming device that happens to play Blu-ray movies
i thought PS3 was a gaming device first and foremost, as such i fail to see how cheap NON gaming Blu-Ray players would harm PS3 sales....
now, if you were referring to Sony's own stand alone players you'd have a point...........but PS3 IS a gaming device that happens to play Blu-ray movies
But getting the Blu Ray out has always been Sony's strategy. The PS3 was designed as a blu ray player first and a game machine second. Putting the blu Ray in the PS3 was a huge gamble on the part of Sony. They were banking on product loyalty to have people buy their expensive machine and thus get blu ray players in homes.
http://vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?id=13971&start=0#end
Sony did not even blink when they abandoned BC for the 40g model. Look at many of Sony's recent ads. The emphasis is allon the blu ray and not on the games. That is more of an indication of what they think about gamers.
The next months will see how successful their strategy was. MS has had one small price cut in two years and is positioned to make a big move in the console wars, one that Sony would be hard pressed to match. If that is the case MS could win the game console fight for hi def games even while the Blu Ray format wins the format war.
But getting the Blu Ray out has always been Sony's strategy. The PS3 was designed as a blu ray player first and a game machine second. Putting the blu Ray in the PS3 was a huge gamble on the part of Sony. They were banking on product loyalty to have people buy their expensive machine and thus get blu ray players in homes.
http://vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?id=13971&start=0#end
Sony did not even blink when they abandoned BC for the 40g model. Look at many of Sony's recent ads. The emphasis is allon the blu ray and not on the games. That is more of an indication of what they think about gamers.
The next months will see how successful their strategy was. MS has had one small price cut in two years and is positioned to make a big move in the console wars, one that Sony would be hard pressed to match. If that is the case MS could win the game console fight for hi def games even while the Blu Ray format wins the format war.
the games are on the Blu-Ray format,of course it's going to push the format. regardless of obvious negativity still aimed at the product i personally think 2008 will be a damn good year for Sony's gaming division, gamers will buy a PS3 because in every sense of it's existence it's a gaming product, including Blu-ray was a sly if not risky business move, but i don't have a problem with their strategy...........when i want Blu-ray movies to replace my DVD selection i'll buy a separate Blu-ray player,simple as really..............regardless of how it's spun PS3 is for gaming
the games are on the Blu-Ray format,of course it's going to push the format. regardless of obvious negativity still aimed at the product i personally think 2008 will be a damn good year for Sony's gaming division, gamers will buy a PS3 because in every sense of it's existence it's a gaming product, including Blu-ray was a sly if not risky business move, but i don't have a problem with their strategy...........when i want Blu-ray movies to replace my DVD selection i'll buy a separate Blu-ray player,simple as really..............regardless of how it's spun PS3 is for gaming
And that is where the possible problem for the pS3 comes in. Right now it is the cheapest Blu Ray player out there. That reason is a major one in keeping the PS3 competitive to this point. Many are buying just for that reason. If cheaper Blu Ray Players come out then the PS3 loses that selling point.
The PS3 is a media machine; it just happens to play games.
JOKE. :p
Anyway... what is the actual difference between Blu Ray and HD DVD?
UNDERTAKER
09-01-08, 22:36
The PS3 is a media machine; it just happens to play games.
JOKE. :p
Anyway... what is the actual difference between Blu Ray and HD DVD?
Well, in a way you're right Angelus. Ken Kutargi did say at one point that the PS3 is not a games machine.
But that guy does tend to talk a bit of waffle (remember the xbox 1.5 claims or PS3 being 2x more powerful than 360 or PS3 games at 120fps)
Blu-Ray has more space (25GB single layer vs 15GB single layer).
That. Is. It.
Well, Behind the Scenes Blu-Ray is backed exclusively by 7 of the major film companies and HD-DVD has only two (or one now, I dunno). That's basically it.
MadCroy101
10-01-08, 00:11
What is the general difference between blue-ray and HD? I think that their the same.
This is what I argued a long time ago about the advantage of modularity. It gives you the fexibility to go in many directions.
:tmb: Sometimes though, it's worth taking a gamble, but I wholeheartedly agree with what you just said.
Couldn't care less to be honest...
I just want blu-ray cases to be the same size as other cases.
They make your DVD/game collection look messy.
:wve:
LOL! :D To be honest, I don't care much about the format wars. Blu-ray, HD-DVD, etc. IMO, there isn't much difference. All I want is to have a good time watching a good-quality movie in the comfort of my home. Anyone knows though if DVD's are 'expandable' (if that makes sense at all)?
tlr online
10-01-08, 09:25
Blu-Ray has more space (25GB single layer vs 15GB single layer).
That. Is. It.
Well, Behind the Scenes Blu-Ray is backed exclusively by 7 of the major film companies and HD-DVD has only two (or one now, I dunno). That's basically it.
Blu-Ray also uses region locks, which suck.
Right now Blu Ray players are more expensice than HD-DVD players. I had to laugh when the CEO of Warner said that they were switching to Blu Ray to help the consumer. I imagine he was saying that because having one format reduces confusion but when it forces you to buy the more expensive product that IMO is not supporting the consumer.
more companies are following..
http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=32000
disneyprincess20
10-01-08, 15:06
It might not happen now guys: Clicky (http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2008/01/10/microsoft_denies_hddvd_reuters_quote/)
Blu-Ray also uses region locks, which suck.
sorry but misinformation is not a cool idea, the movies i have are region free
Casino Royale
Day of the Dead
Dawn of the Dead
House of Flying Daggers
:confused:
there's a site i visit dedicated to Blu-Ray and one of it's main forum areas contains lists of region free Blu-Ray movies :D
It might not happen now guys: Clicky (http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2008/01/10/microsoft_denies_hddvd_reuters_quote/)
Reminds me of how Steve Jobs kept saying an iPod with video was a horrible idea, before he suddenly introduced one. I don't think Microsoft will introduce a Blu-Ray-compatible thingy this quarter, but other than that, all bets are off, no matter what they say now what they'll do in the future.
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