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CAISACO
28-01-08, 02:26
I think this is overall childish for my 9th grade Communication Arts teacher to just now make slips and give them to people who didn't turn their work on time. She is always telling us she will not treat us as children anymore, as we are not in High School. But anyways, my teacher gave me a slip saying to "Write a 250 word essay regarding responsibility as a consequence."

The problem is, is I don't know what to write!

Any help?:o

Hack
28-01-08, 02:33
Make an example of her in the essay? :D

PARANOIA
28-01-08, 02:37
What was the work she wanted you to turn in on time?

thecentaur
28-01-08, 02:42
probably something important :rolleyes:

you should write a small essay about why you should learn to be responsible and how it will affect you throughout your life.

the chronology should be from when a kid learns responsibility to when an adult should bring his reports to his company.

Quasimodo
28-01-08, 02:50
Responsibility as a consequence...hmm, you usually don't see it worded that way! Responsibility as a consequence of what?


-Responsibility is a consequence of maturity
-Responsibility is a consequence of not wanting to write these silly essays ever again

:p

Hack
28-01-08, 02:58
the chronology should be from when a kid learns responsibility to when an adult should bring his reports to his company.

Thats a fantastically interesting point :D

So basically, Schools are designed not so much as to further learning and free thought, but to prime children for working in the corporate world?
:jmp:

When I think about it, what do schools punish most? Not bad grades, but Disobedience! If you're late, have the wrong uniform so on so forth. Large companies punish nearly the exact same things with their employees, esp if you're down the bottom of the chain. I feel I'm going to do some reading on this in the next couple of days... :whi:

PARANOIA
28-01-08, 03:01
Thats a fantastically interesting point :D

So basically, Schools are designed not so much as to further learning and free thought, but to prime children for working in the corporate world?
:jmp:

To be honest, I think all kids should be homeschooled.

Camera Obscura
28-01-08, 03:02
Thats a fantastically interesting point :D

So basically, Schools are designed not so much as to further learning and free thought, but to prime children for working in the corporate world?
:jmp:

I always thought that was one of the main objectives. :confused:

Hack
28-01-08, 03:09
To be honest, I think all kids should be homeschooled.

Thats the thing about the industrial revolution and the corporate world. It took parents from homes and put them in factories so they can't possibley home school their children. Planners must have thought that having all these children hanging around the streets whilst their parents are working is going to be a problem, probably causing alot of crime etc so on and so forth.

Most families I know have two adults, both working 9-5 jobs. They couldn't possibley home school thier children (unless they're were rich)

Quasimodo
28-01-08, 03:11
To be honest, I think all kids should be homeschooled.

Wouldn't that stratify society even more? Not everyone has smart parents, let alone parents who have the time to homeschool their children. (Unless you wanted to go back to the 1950's family model, which wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing.)

PARANOIA
28-01-08, 03:12
Wouldn't that stratify society even more? Not everyone has smart parents, let alone the time to homeschool their children. (Unless you wanted to go back to the 1950's family model, which wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing.)

The above two comments are true. Society has indeed thrown itself into an infinite loop.

But communism is not the answer.

Hack
28-01-08, 03:13
I always thought that was one of the main objectives. :confused:

Is that all u want for your children?

Quasimodo
28-01-08, 03:14
The above two comments are true. Society has indeed thrown itself into an infinite loop.

But communism is not the answer.

What do you mean?

Hack
28-01-08, 03:15
The above two comments are true. Society has indeed thrown itself into an infinite loop.

But communism is not the answer.

Why Not? :o

PARANOIA
28-01-08, 03:16
What do you mean?

What I see today is a society veering towards the socialist mindset of government conformity. I'm more in favor of the lesser extreme.

Camera Obscura
28-01-08, 03:19
Is that all u want for your children?

No I mean I have had a few teachers in the past talk of education that way.

Quasimodo
28-01-08, 03:20
What I see today is a society veering towards the socialist mindset of government conformity. I'm more in favor of the lesser extreme.

Ah, I see what you mean. Giving parents back more control of how they raise their children.

Hack
28-01-08, 03:22
No I mean I have had a few teachers in the past talk of education that way.

OK, I see what you mean :o

They were never so direct about it when I was in school, strange..

Quasimodo
28-01-08, 03:23
OK, I see what you mean :o

They were never so direct about it when I was in school, strange..

Which country were you schooled in?

Hack
28-01-08, 03:45
Which country were you schooled in?

Ireland :)

Where were u schooled Quasi?

Quasimodo
28-01-08, 03:59
Ireland :)

Where were u schooled Quasi?

Texas, USA. http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/ad/gun.gif

Benguitar
28-01-08, 04:16
Make an example of her in the essay? :D

:D:D:D :p Good idea. lol

JK don't try that sweetie. :whi:

When I usually have to write things like that I have to literally "brainstorm" or think deeply.

I first just rephrase the question "Responsibility" rephrase what ever she asked you to do as your intro. Then I usually just think of supporting facts about it and then continue on from there.

I hope this helps you and you get a A+ grade! :tmb:

Capt. Murphy
28-01-08, 06:43
When a teacher says to have it 250 words, does that mean 250 minimum? Or 250 exactly? :confused:

I'd think that a consequence of being responsible is a positive one. Like, if someone was responsible enough not to knock up his girlfriend, her father wouldn't have disowned her... or kicked her out of the house. Don't always think of the word "consequence" as a negative one, like it's a punishment.

>_<

Gregori
28-01-08, 09:21
When a teacher says to have it 250 words, does that mean 250 minimum? Or 250 exactly? :confused:

I'd think that a consequence of being responsible is a positive one. Like, if someone was responsible enough not to knock up his girlfriend, her father wouldn't have disowned her... or kicked her out of the house. Don't always think of the word "consequence" as a negative one, like it's a punishment.

>_<

It means roughly ~250 words.

Its just a guideline so that your essay is substantial and appropriate for the task at hand. The fact that its 250 words is not that important. Most people are lazy and would try to get away with writing much less if they didn't give a firm guideline.

Btw, What excuse for a father would disown his own daughter just because she got pregnant?

@CAISACO

Start with the dictionary definition of responsibilty first and use a few hypothetical situations to illustrate the importance (or over-ratedness) of responsibilty.

myrmaad
28-01-08, 09:41
Thats a fantastically interesting point :D

So basically, Schools are designed not so much as to further learning and free thought, but to prime children for working in the corporate world?
:jmp:

When I think about it, what do schools punish most? Not bad grades, but Disobedience! If you're late, have the wrong uniform so on so forth. Large companies punish nearly the exact same things with their employees, esp if you're down the bottom of the chain. I feel I'm going to do some reading on this in the next couple of days... :whi:

LMAO. I can't possibly figure out exactly what else you could have thought? The State (another word for a country's government) sponsors schools in order to have a prepared workforce. DUH.

Caisaco, in other words your teacher meant, "As a consequence of not turning in your assignment on time, write a 250 word essay on 'Responsibility'".

Not "responsibility-as-a-consequence", as some suggested. You may want to double check with her if you don't believe me. :) Please feel free to report back.

Anyway, there should be a plethora of topics to explore in the realm of what responsibility means, and what it means for people and societies. For one thing it defines our idea of ethics in business and society in general, secondly it ensures a level of productivity that is optimal, and it attracts others to us whether it's in our business dealings or in our personal relationships, because it defines us as someone who can be counted on.

In my opinion 250 words means "a minimum of 250 words" and not much more than that. 260 words would be ok, for example.

Hack
28-01-08, 09:48
LMAO. I can't possibly figure out exactly what else you could have thought? The State (another word for a country's government) sponsors schools in order to have a prepared workforce. DUH.

You're rude. I like that :)

Perhaps I had the naive little idea that education should be used to give the resources to open young people minds and allow them to better themselves and their world rather than make them pliable slaves to the bosses of the corporate world.

I'm a little too optimistic, don't yah think?

myrmaad
28-01-08, 10:09
Well, I don't blame you! :D

"It would be extremely naive to expect the dominant classes to develop a type of education that would enable subordinate classes to perceive social injustices critically." -Paulo Freire

Hack
28-01-08, 10:28
Well, I don't blame you! :D

"It would be extremely naive to expect the dominant classes to develop a type of education that would enable subordinate classes to perceive social injustices critically." -Paulo Freire


Adding salt to the wound, thanks...

I expected no such thing, but think that in a democratic society that everybodies children deserve better, that people should demand better. Unfortunately, its not a democratic society yet!

myrmaad
28-01-08, 10:36
What I see today is a society veering towards the socialist mindset of government conformity. I'm more in favor of the lesser extreme.

Socialism and Communism are two different things. Most people miss the fact that communism is simply an economic system, so it's opposite is capitalism. There are and have been many healthy social democracies, in fact there have been successful ones that were overthrown by US intervention. (Chile, for example, where under Nixon we helped install the Dictator Pinochet, because their democratically elected president, Allende, was helping his own people out of poverty and that undermined US profits.)

"The lesser exteme"???

LMFAO! Once I regain my composure, I should mention how extreme that view is. Hopefully the rest of us are safe from the dire consequences of such a view.

Hack, if you believe what you're saying, you should definitely work to promote views that oppose those of Paranoia's, or we could all end up in deep doo-doo.

Hack
28-01-08, 10:42
I'd argue that Communism in practice actually had alot more in common with Capitalism than Socialism, but thats a long long debate and I don't like long debates :)


It was far from the Opposite!

kryptonite23
28-01-08, 10:45
Think about anything that will make you a good leader. ;)

Hack
28-01-08, 10:50
Think about anything that will make you a good leader. ;)

Hiding the truth from the public and kicking the ass of your underlings?

I swear, The Prince gets to you!

myrmaad
28-01-08, 10:51
Of course it has more in common with Capitalism:

Communism and Capitalism are both economic systems: Macintosh Apples versus Gala apples.

Socialism and Totalitarianism and Authoritarianism and Monarchy and Representative Democracy are all systems of government: Valencia Oranges vs. Naval Oranges vs. Hamlin Oranges vs Temple Oranges vs. Moro Oranges.

This is comparing Apples to Oranges.

Edit: you were better off leaving out the sentence you added, it is an incorrect statement. That's not my opinion, that is a scholarly fact, ie you would get it wrong on a political science test.

kryptonite23
28-01-08, 10:51
Hiding the truth from the public and kicking the ass of your underlings?

I swear, The Prince gets to you!

No,good qualities :rolleyes:

For example:
You are a moderator here in TRF,what are you going to do??

Just like that ;)

Hack
28-01-08, 10:53
Of course it has more in common with Capitalism:

Communism and Capitalism are both economic systems: Macintosh Apples versus Gala apples.

Socialism and Totalitarianism and Authoritarianism and Monarchy and Representative Democracy are all systems of government: Valencia Oranges vs. Naval Oranges vs. Hamlin Oranges vs Temple Oranges vs. Moro Oranges.

This is comparing Apples to Oranges.

... a little deeper than that

myrmaad
28-01-08, 10:58
You said you didn't want to get into a long debate, so...

*hopes for crickets*