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Mad Tony
04-04-08, 16:43
Do you guys think regular police officers should carry guns?

I know in most countries the regular police officers carry guns, but here in the UK they don't. Yeah, we have armed police but personally I don't think that's good enough. I'm strongly in favor for the police officers in this country to be armed.

What are your thoughts?

Devilian
04-04-08, 16:47
Here, In Czech republic they do. But most of time they sit in offices, and they have weapons only as decorative item i think :D. They don't do anything! That's horrible...

AmericanAssassin
04-04-08, 16:47
I honestly do think they should carry guns. If a police officer is killed because they don't have one, I would blame the government for their death even more than the killer himself. It's ridiculous that anybody would think otherwise. So, my answer is yes. ;)

Sweets
04-04-08, 16:50
I honestly do think they should carry guns. If a police officer is killed because they don't have one, I would blame the government for their death even more than the killer himself. It's ridiculous that anybody would think otherwise. So, my answer is yes. ;)

Agreed

Ilves
04-04-08, 16:53
We got Military Police patrolling Amsterdam Airport, wielding big*ss automatic rifles. What are they gonna do with em? Spray the crowd? Yeah, I've never felt safer :cool: /sarcasm

On the other hand, I remember in Paris regular police were decked out like soldiers. Somehow it did feel kinda soothing. Cops need to look somewhat intimidating, IMO. Here in the Netherlands they'll light your joint if you ask them for a fire. :vlol:

(Not that I smoke :whi:)

@ below: Finnish cops are a class apart :D

EDIT: I'd rather they carry handguns than tasers... Seems they're less willing to use a firearm than those cattle... things...? :(

MiCkiZ88
04-04-08, 16:55
Why shouldn't they? I find it a bit silly if the regular police aren't allowed to carry guns. What are they going to do if an armed thug appears and starts shooting?

Mad Tony
04-04-08, 16:59
Why shouldn't they? I find it a bit silly if the regular police aren't allowed to carry guns. What are they going to do if an armed thug appears and starts shooting?And that's exactly my point. Even though we have extremely strict gun control laws, criminals still seem to be able to get hold of guns pretty easily. Police should have the upper hand against criminals, but at the moment they've got nothing. Heck, a criminal could probably easily hold a police officer at knife-point, let alone gun-point.

EgyptianSoul
04-04-08, 17:03
I don't care. I'm on the criminal side anyway. :)

Mad Tony
04-04-08, 17:03
I don't care. I'm on the criminal side anyway. :)Wha? :confused:

EgyptianSoul
04-04-08, 17:07
Wha? :confused:

I have my own criminal back story. Let's not dwell in it. :wve: So I don't scare you people, I'm quite "good" now. ;) And anyway, hasn't quite much every one done something when they were kids?

Bullethail
04-04-08, 17:29
Sure, as long as they're competent. :)

Eddie Haskell
04-04-08, 17:54
Yes. A highly screened and well trained police force is a must in todays world. And they unfortunately must be armed in order to be prepared when the hazard is immediate and deadly.

As a side note, even though I am "retired" owing to my health issues, I still can carry a loaded weapon as retired federal officer.

Dark Lugia 2
04-04-08, 18:05
I swear i've seen policemen/women walking about with a gun on them. :\

Survival
04-04-08, 18:06
Here, In Czech republic they do. But most of time they sit in offices, and they have weapons only as decorative item i think :D. They don't do anything! That's horrible...

:vlol:

They all are like some hangers for clothes... that´s why they´ve got new uniforms :vlol:

Cochrane
04-04-08, 18:13
I'm not a police officer so I don't know whether all police officers need guns, but if it is indeed necessary, then I see no reason to deny it to them. Being able to stop criminals is, without doubt, a Good Thing™.

Drone
04-04-08, 18:16
it should depend on crime rate of the region

Eddie Haskell
04-04-08, 18:22
it should depend on crime rate of the region

The terrorist or your run-of-the-mill lunatic knows know such boundaries. A location could have no murders in years, but then a cop could be faced with a nut pointing a loaded weapon at someone and be unable to respond effectively. Some type of deadly force is needed to deal with this for even the rare occasion, the innocent citizens deserve that.

Drone
04-04-08, 18:27
The terrorist or your run-of-the-mill lunatic knows know such boundaries. A location could have no murders in years, but then a cop could be faced with a nut pointing a loaded weapon at someone and be unable to respond effectively. Some type of deadly force is needed to deal with this for even the rare occasion, the innocent citizens deserve that.

I judge from my own region. Here wasn't any murderer since I remember myself. But your point is reasonable tho


and btw here maybe 0.000001% have weapons

Mad Tony
04-04-08, 18:28
I swear i've seen policemen/women walking about with a gun on them. :\I'm sure you have, but I bet they were kitted out with Sub-machine guns as well weren't they?

There's always a few heavily armed police officers walking around airports and places of importance (such as the Houses of Parliament in London). It's obvious why they're there.

I was talking about your everyday, regular police officer being issued a pistol as standard.

Ilves
04-04-08, 18:32
^ I find it hard to believe they aren't! Your regular Bobby unarmed? Sounds quite irresponsible, to be honest :confused: Do they at least have a whistle on them? :p

jackles
04-04-08, 18:33
Based on these figures from the bbc, I would say no we don't. Have you ever watched the police take someone down? They are very effective. If they have to have something then tazers seem the way forward as most dangerous crime seems to be related to knife crime.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6960431.stm

Dark Lugia 2
04-04-08, 18:33
No not thoe type :p I saw a pair of policemen a few days ago, I swar they had holsters. Thatd mean they have guns :p

Mad Tony
04-04-08, 18:35
^ I find it hard to believe they aren't! Your regular Bobby unarmed? Sounds quite irresponsible, to be honest :confused: Do they at least have a whistle on them? :pWell, that's how it is here. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Police_use_of_firearms_in_the_United_Kingdom

No not thoe type :p I saw a pair of policemen a few days ago, I swar they had holsters. Thatd mean they have guns :pThey can't have been. Not if they were just your average police officers walking down a normal street.

Alive_and_Funky
04-04-08, 18:35
I suppose I'm in the minority, but I wouldn't feel comfortable with police officers carrying guns on the street. Even though I know I wouldn't have anything to fear, if I saw anyone carrying gun I'd probably get really scared. Also, wouldn't that mean ordinary police officers would have to be prepared to kill when they sign up? And another thing, what if someone managed to grab the gun from the police officer? I do understand why some countries let police officers carry guns though.

jackles
04-04-08, 18:37
No not thoe type :p I saw a pair of policemen a few days ago, I swar they had holsters. Thatd mean they have guns :p

Police carry their batons in holsters, you may have seen that.

Mad Tony
04-04-08, 18:38
I suppose I'm in the minority, but I wouldn't feel comfortable with police officers carrying guns on the street. Even though I know I wouldn't have anything to fear, if I saw anyone carrying gun I'd probably get really scared. Also, wouldn't that mean ordinary police officers would have to be prepared to kill when they sign up? And another thing, what if someone managed to grab the gun from the police officer? I do understand why some countries let police officers carry guns though.Killing is a last resort. If they had guns, they'd be used to disarm people most of the time. In fact, shooting would be one of the last things they do. I know this because my brother's in the Royal Navy and he said that when he's on guard duty, he actually has to try to disarm them by other means first. I think if they shoot someone they actually have to be prepared to give them First Aid if neccessary, lol. :p

Ilves
04-04-08, 18:40
I think if the government is going to have a monopoly on force they'd better arm their officers well. It adds to their air of authority and helps them do their job.
The police is not supposed to be your best friend. Look where that attitude got the Netherlands.

Seb_01225
04-04-08, 18:42
yes i think they should
i also think anyone should be able to have one.
just not able to use it for violence unless its self defence

Lavinder
04-04-08, 18:44
If they were trained correctly, then yes I do believe police officers should be allowed to carry guns.

Draco
04-04-08, 18:47
Why not just let everyone have guns?

Angelus
04-04-08, 19:07
Why shouldn't they? I find it a bit silly if the regular police aren't allowed to carry guns. What are they going to do if an armed thug appears and starts shooting?

I agree. Police should definitely carry guns.

Paul H
04-04-08, 20:26
I am against regular police officers routinely carrying guns. Even so called "specialist" firearms officers have, on occasions, shown themselves to be unfit to carry them - ask the family of Jean Charles De Menezes.

Mad Tony
04-04-08, 20:29
I am against regular police officers routinely carrying guns. Even so called "specialist" firearms officers have, on occasions, shown themselves to be unfit to carry them - ask the family of Jean Charles De Menezes.Yes, about that. Although he was obviously wrongly shot down, he did try to run when police told him to stop. That's what I read about it.

Paul H
04-04-08, 20:40
Yes, about that. Although he was obviously wrongly shot down, he did try to run when police told him to stop. That's what I read about it.

That was a proven lie, just like the lies about him vaulting over the ticket barrier and wearing a bulky overcoat. Not one of the many witnesses present heard the police shout any warning to him.

http://www.justice4jean.com/about_campaign_who.html

http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2005/08/the_killing_of.html

Draco
05-04-08, 05:45
What does that have to do with police having guns?

Melonie Tomb Raider
05-04-08, 05:48
Do you guys think regular police officers should carry guns?

Heck, yes! They don't have much defense without them.

Chiki Mina
05-04-08, 05:52
In a world like we're living today? :eek:

Damn straight they should carry guns.

SamReeves
05-04-08, 06:05
Maybe a few frag grenades too!

Margot*Croft
05-04-08, 07:13
I do think they should carry guns (actually, I think they actually carry them in my country;)), but they must be perfectly trained, so that they're well prepared (as far as it is possible for a human being;)) to control their fear in difficult situations and to use their weapons only in the right circumstances;)

scion05
05-04-08, 08:14
Stun-Guns yes :wve:

Dark Lugia 2
05-04-08, 09:03
Police carry their batons in holsters, you may have seen that.

Ahhh right, thats probs it then :p I didnt know UK cops carry batons :D...

lararoxs
05-04-08, 10:35
I think police should carry a weapon for saftey reasons:p sounds dumb, I know!

Draco
05-04-08, 11:50
I think police should carry a weapon for saftey reasons:p sounds dumb, I know!

I work security for a Las Vegas casino that is owned by the MGM-Mirage corporation. We can only carry handcuffs, which makes it real easy to decide what to do if someone tries to rob the place...do nothing.

Ilves
05-04-08, 11:53
^ I was wondering, are you authorized to make arrests? Or can you just detain someone untill the cops arrive?

Personally I think private corporations should never be given the same means for enforcement as the police. Reign in the likes of Blackwater!

thanatos
05-04-08, 12:11
What about Escalation?! have none of you seen Batman Begins??

Melonie Tomb Raider
05-04-08, 13:01
I work security for a Las Vegas casino that is owned by the MGM-Mirage corporation. We can only carry handcuffs, which makes it real easy to decide what to do if someone tries to rob the place...do nothing.

That is so ridiculous. What's the point in being a police officer fi you have no means of enforcing the law?

I bet that's terribly frustrating.

Margot*Croft
05-04-08, 13:07
Mmmm, in my country not all security members are police "officers", and they're consequently not allowed to carry guns. So it's quite difficult for them to do their duty when dangerous situations occur ;)

Draco
05-04-08, 13:24
Mmmm, in my country not all security members are police "officers", and they're consequently not allowed to carry guns. So it's quite difficult for them to do their duty when dangerous situations occur ;)

I am private security, but even we would typically carry firearms.

Ilves
05-04-08, 13:31
^ I was wondering, are you authorized to make arrests? Or can you just detain someone untill the cops arrive?

Draco? If you please? ;)

Draco
05-04-08, 13:32
^ I was wondering, are you authorized to make arrests? Or can you just detain someone untill the cops arrive?

The only type of arrest a nonlaw enforcement individual can make is a citizens arrest. We typically don't do those. The only time we cuff someone is if they don't cooperate. The police have to come out when we cuff someone to deciide whether to arrest or not.

Personally I think private corporations should never be given the same means for enforcement as the police. Reign in the likes of Blackwater!

Uh, Blackwater doesn't equal police, where did you get that?

Ilves
05-04-08, 13:34
Uh, Blackwater doesn't equal police, where did you get that?


Not YET, but I heard that they are expanding their activities to domestic law enforcement... I'll see if I can dig up the source for that. :)

EDIT: Well, here's one: http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=201424