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oocladableeblah
15-05-08, 02:11
Does anyone remember this game it was announced like before 360 was released. I was wondering if anyone has any info on this game.
Here's the trailer for it.
Note: The trailer has bad language if this is not allowed then the thread can be closed.
HyubR1rknBM
Ah yes, the proverbial example of the uncanny valley. :D
I'd love to have this game. The team behind it is the one that made Fahrenheit (Indigo Prophecy) for last-gen, which is one of my favorite games of all time. Too bad Heavy Rain is a Sony exclusive, so... :(
Wow, I had forgotten all about this game.
This looks so amazing, I can't even lie. Throughout most of the scene I was thinking to myself about how her model could look even better, but in the last few shots where she's yelling at the camera, it is pure perfection.
I'm definately looking forward to this game.
Trigger_happy
15-05-08, 11:30
Very little has been said about this game: they released a poster with the tag line "The origami killer" and its about 4 ordinary people thrown into crazy situations.
EgyptianSoul
15-05-08, 15:21
Funny how we're advancing to more and more realism, but those efforts seems like a waste of time... That looks awful. The expressions are ridiculous.
This along with Team Ico's next game are the only reasons (so far) for me to get a PS3. I hope this can be like Indigo Prophecy (a favorite of mine) without the terrible end part.
Trigger_happy
15-05-08, 15:53
I found the Heavy Rain poster:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/99/Heavy_rain.png
Yeah looking at it now its obvious that the audio and animation is way out of sync.
Ah yes, the proverbial example of the uncanny valley. :DWhat is the uncanny valley? I've heard about it, and I read up on it on Wikipedia but I still don't really understand it.
To put it very short and simple, its the space between "completely fake looking" and "so real you can't tell its not real" where things are "pretty real" but "unrealistic enough to freak you out".
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f0/Mori_Uncanny_Valley.svg/461px-Mori_Uncanny_Valley.svg.png
The uncanny valley is the region of negative emotional response towards robots that seem "almost human". Movement amplifies the emotional response. -Wiki
Ah, ok. I get it. Thanks for the explanation. :)
And it's probably why media was backed off from Heavy Rain after so many people were creeped out by its first tech demo.
And it's probably why media was backed off from Heavy Rain after so many people were creeped out by its first tech demo.But why is it so creepy?
Its really a subconscious psychological feeling some people get from it. Her face is mostly realistic but her eyes are lifeless and hollow. More than something you can point out, its a "feeling" you get from it.
Its really a subconscious psychological feeling some people get from it. Her face is mostly realistic but her eyes are lifeless and hollow. More than something you can point out, its a "feeling" you get from it.Hmm... I guess you're right there actually. I read somewhere that with unrealistic things, we try and look at it and find the things that are most human like, but with these sorts of things, we try and look for the things that aren't human like.
TombRaiderLover
15-05-08, 19:00
Very impressive video. :) However, the out-of-sync mouth animation is rather distracting. Hopefully it's fixed before release.
Trigger_happy
15-05-08, 19:06
Bare in mind that the lag could be caused by transferring the original file to the internet, and the to here. I'm sure that larger files suffer more than smaller ones, and a file of that detail would be pretty big.
EDIT: Oh, I just found these (http://kotaku.com/366150/new-heavy-rain-details-spilled-lapped-up) translations from a Dutch Games magazine "Chief". Here's the info:
On Locations:
"I don't want to do a big free-roaming city like GTA, because the flow of the story will then be hard to control. Nevertheless, I do want to incorporate big sets, with a crowd, heavy populated areas like a mall and a subway are going to be in there. Of course, the gameplay has got to make use of that aspect too."
On Graphics:
"People will be surprised. Internal (Sony's) feedback on graphics has been great. This is going to be a truly next-gen game. But still, we want to do something unique with the graphics, going beyond just making the most photorealistic world we can."
On Gameplay:
"With the release of Fahrenheit, we gave the adventure genre a new grammar. We brought new ways into the genre, new words if you want to see it like that, a new vocabulaire. With Heavy Rain, where going to expand on that same grammar."
On Story:
"Heavy Rain is about normal people that have landed in extraordinary situations. I wanted a much more personal story. The first thing that came to my mind, as a father of two little boys, was that the main theme should simply be a father's love for his son. This is not a game about saving the princess or the world. Its purely about a father's love."
"The main story will revolve around 4 different characters, and we're putting the spotlight on their perceptions. The question 'what is good and what is evil' is the key here, that will be just a matter of viewpoint...I believe heavily in moral choices, I'm going to use them A LOT. They're not about being good or bad, but about finding the right balance."
Looks good but uploading to youtube seems to have taken a toll on graphics and audio sync. Looks amazing, hope it comes out soon!
madderakka
16-05-08, 18:05
It's her mouth. The rest of her face is okay, but the mouth is way off.
stereopathic
16-05-08, 18:15
uncanny valley is right. blech. her mouth (especially the upper lip) moves horribly. eyes seem super fake, too. fingers, wrists...
if they get that sorted out, could be a good game though.
TombRaiderLover
16-05-08, 18:39
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Is it just me, or is the animation more in-sync in the above video?
:wve:
AmericanAssassin
16-05-08, 21:22
It looks interesting. I'll probably pick it up if it ever gets released... :)
tranniversary119
17-05-08, 00:10
I don't really understand what this game is about :confused:
Mister_Creazil
17-05-08, 00:54
Yeahh, this trailer shows nothing of what the game is about or what you'd have to do.
Yeahh, this trailer shows nothing of what the game is about or what you'd have to do.
Exactly. But still, from the makers of Fahrenheit, I'm sure as hell this will be good. Too bad I won't be able to play it. :(
Ward Dragon
17-05-08, 02:07
I'd love to have this game. The team behind it is the one that made Fahrenheit (Indigo Prophecy) for last-gen, which is one of my favorite games of all time.
Seriously? I'll have to pick Indigo Prophecy up then :D It looks like it's only $10 :D
Seriously? I'll have to pick Indigo Prophecy up then :D It looks like it's only $10 :D
Oh god, you definitely should, Ward! It's a cinematic masterpiece, and if you're like me, I genuinely felt for the characters. They are that realistic (in terms of characterization). Lots of magic moments for me from that game, really. Lots and lots of it. And speaking of lots, I missed A LOT of scenes during my first playthrough. Every single scenario has lots of possibilities to it. Go pick the game up!
Ward Dragon
18-05-08, 02:44
Oh god, you definitely should, Ward! It's a cinematic masterpiece, and if you're like me, I genuinely felt for the characters. They are that realistic (in terms of characterization). Lots of magic moments for me from that game, really. Lots and lots of it. And speaking of lots, I missed A LOT of scenes during my first playthrough. Every single scenario has lots of possibilities to it. Go pick the game up!
I've got it and just completed the tutorial and the opening cutscene. I'm intrigued so far :D One thing, though. The IC in the tutorial with the thumbsticks leads me to believe they are going to do some crazy stuff later on in the game in terms of making me quickly move the sticks all around during IC's. Am I right or am I worried over nothing? :p
The demo said Actor Simulation.
If you read reviews you would understand.
I guess.
I've got it and just completed the tutorial and the opening cutscene. I'm intrigued so far :D One thing, though. The IC in the tutorial with the thumbsticks leads me to believe they are going to do some crazy stuff later on in the game in terms of making me quickly move the sticks all around during IC's. Am I right or am I worried over nothing? :p
You have all the right reasons to worry! It's gonna be one heck of a ride. Lots and lots of segments where your fingers will get tired (in a good way). Every single part of eat will keep you and the edge of your seat. And by the end of it all, you'll end up rooting for everybody (at least that's what happened to me). What did you get it for? PC, PS2, Xbox?
Didn't this game get announced for the 360 later on? I swear I saw it on IGN.
dream raider
18-05-08, 10:43
Look:
http://search.ign.com/products?query=heavy+rain
They are going to release it for the PSP too? It just doesn't seem right, in my opinion.
Yep, I knew I wasn't seeing things. :p
For the PSP as well? Interesting... it'll be toned down a lot that's for sure.
No, that's fake. Yep I've seen the IGN page, but this is going to be a PS3 exclusivity. Sony is the publisher, there's a long time I've lost all my hopes concerning an eventual PC version. :(
It's totally unfair to release it on PS3 only :mad: Why don't they release it on PC too ? :rolleyes:
I played Fahrenheit, fell in love with it, now this should be somehow its successor ;)
edit : Alex, you bet me to it :p
Didn't this game get announced for the 360 later on? I swear I saw it on IGN.
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Oh my god, is this for real?
Look:
http://search.ign.com/products?query=heavy+rain
They are going to release it for the PSP too? It just doesn't seem right, in my opinion.
PSP? A significantly downgraded version maybe. I wouldn't want that.
No, that's fake. Yep I've seen the IGN page, but this is going to be a PS3 exclusivity. Sony is the publisher, there's a long time I've lost all my hopes concerning an eventual PC version. :(
Damn that sucks, this game looks too good and I don't wanna fork over a lot of money for a PS3. :(
It's totally unfair to release it on PS3 only :mad: Why don't they release it on PC too ? :rolleyes:
I played Fahrenheit, fell in love with it, now this should be somehow its successor ;)
edit : Alex, you bet me to it :p
:D
I played all the games made by Quantic Dream. They are really a great team and their games are original and unique. :tmb:
I had my heart broken when I heard they signed with Sony for their new game... :(
:( It kills me everytime I see stuff about this game, knowing that I won't be able to play it on my 360.
http://i20.tinypic.com/357hcia.jpg
It's the real-life ****ing actress, in motion (http://www.gametrailers.com/player/usermovies/115141.html?playlist=featured)!
God, I wish QD had made this multiplatform. :(
I wish they didn't sign with Sony...
What are you actually suppose to do in the game? :confused: Watch people act and film it?
^ No, no. That was just a technical demo. To show off what QD is capable of doing with the PS3. The game is going to make use of real people who audition for a certain role, and then they will translate them into 3D for the game. That actress is one of them.
Minty Mouth
18-05-08, 11:47
No, it was a good idea to sign with sony. In Europe the PS3 has sold more units that the 360, which means that they will sell more copies than if they made it a 360 exclusive (of course this only applies to the EU)
Legend of Lara
18-05-08, 17:37
A PS3 exclusive? Really? I thought those were extinct. :D
The 360 has tons of exclusives, it's about time we get SOMETHING! ;)
Well guys, in my opinion, TR:L and TR:A have better facial movements. Along with a whole lot of other games including Uncharted.
They have some real competition because lots of other games could easily beat this..
Ward Dragon
18-05-08, 18:43
You have all the right reasons to worry! It's gonna be one heck of a ride. Lots and lots of segments where your fingers will get tired (in a good way). Every single part of eat will keep you and the edge of your seat. And by the end of it all, you'll end up rooting for everybody (at least that's what happened to me). What did you get it for? PC, PS2, Xbox?
I got it for Xbox. I'm actually playing it right now :D (I took a peek at a walkthrough because of the bookstore puzzle and it turns out that I just couldn't read something on my TV which was supposed to be legible :p I mean, once I knew what it said I could read it, but I couldn't make it out on my own.) Anyhow, so far it's great :D I'm 26% of the way through the story according to the status screen.
This video is way more impressive in high quality! The youtube video blurries almost everything ( the girl has very high def textures and she even has animated wrinkles on her face ). But even with this video I am impressed to see how realistic are her moves
I got it for Xbox. I'm actually playing it right now :D (I took a peek at a walkthrough because of the bookstore puzzle and it turns out that I just couldn't read something on my TV which was supposed to be legible :p I mean, once I knew what it said I could read it, but I couldn't make it out on my own.) Anyhow, so far it's great :D I'm 26% of the way through the story according to the status screen.
Fantastic. :tmb: Lots of indiscernible things will unfold onwards. Good luck! :D
Ward Dragon
19-05-08, 00:54
Fantastic. :tmb: Lots of indiscernible things will unfold onwards. Good luck! :D
I played it all day and just completed it a few minutes ago. First off, my hands are so tired from all of the IC's (the left-trigger/right-trigger ones in particular really kill me :p). The game was very interesting. I'm debating whether to jump right back in and start a new game to see how the story will be different if I make different choices. I'm just a little exhausted at the thought of having to do all of those IC's again :p Plus I think I missed a few important dialogue choices since I totally missed the explanation of the Purple Clan and had to make a leap of logic to figure out what was going on. I had trouble telling if Lucas knew things because of who he is, or because I was supposed to have learned something in the game but missed it :p
I played it all day and just completed it a few minutes ago. First off, my hands are so tired from all of the IC's (the left-trigger/right-trigger ones in particular really kill me :p). The game was very interesting. I'm debating whether to jump right back in and start a new game to see how the story will be different if I make different choices. I'm just a little exhausted at the thought of having to do all of those IC's again :p Plus I think I missed a few important dialogue choices since I totally missed the explanation of the Purple Clan and had to make a leap of logic to figure out what was going on. I had trouble telling if Lucas knew things because of who he is, or because I was supposed to have learned something in the game but missed it :p
Did you miss the sexual intercourse scene in Lucas' apartment? If so, that's enough reason to replay the game. :p
ajrich17901
19-05-08, 01:49
Ive been hypin this game up ever since i saw the trailer back in the day lol, i want this game more than any other game even...dare i say it Underworld haha.
Everything about this just looks amazing, and THANK GOD sony got the rights to it finaly PS3 gets something 360 cant have.
Ive been hypin this game up ever since i saw the trailer back in the day lol, i want this game more than any other game even...dare i say it Underworld haha.
Everything about this just looks amazing, and THANK GOD sony got the rights to it finaly PS3 gets something 360 cant have.
As if that never happened before :rolleyes:
I think the game looks pretty cool. Try to play the video without sound. It'll look so much more realistic (imo)
ajrich17901
19-05-08, 05:59
As if that never happened before :rolleyes:
I think the game looks pretty cool. Try to play the video without sound. It'll look so much more realistic (imo)
Lets see sony got
Uncharted
Heavenly Sword
Metal Gear Solid 4
O_o compared to 360s list that aint alot so dont be rollin ur eyes at me:smk::D
^ Forgetting Final Fantasy? (:()
Metal gear solid is not exclusive to ps3 :p
bloodstormaoa
19-05-08, 11:04
Metal gear solid is not exclusive to ps3 :p
The others are just re-jigs. 4 will remain exclusive :p
ajrich17901
19-05-08, 18:02
^ Forgetting Final Fantasy? (:()
Not a fan ever since 12 but yea ur correct
Ward Dragon
19-05-08, 22:14
Did you miss the sexual intercourse scene in Lucas' apartment? If so, that's enough reason to replay the game. :p
No, but the American version of the game doesn't show anything anyway :p
Trigger_happy
26-07-08, 14:22
Ok, I know that this is a major necromancy, but there is a tiny shred of news from E3.
Apparently, a demo was shown at the event, but a legal "restraining order", means that no one can report about it. Here's a link to the site where I got the info:
http://ps3.qj.net/E3-2008-Heavy-Rain-impressive-too-bad-we-can-t-talk-about-it/pg/49/aid/122309
Does this mean that we're gonna get some more info soon?
Ok, I know that this is a major necromancy, but there is a tiny shred of news from E3.
Apparently, a demo was shown at the event, but a legal "restraining order", means that no one can report about it. Here's a link to the site where I got the info:
http://ps3.qj.net/E3-2008-Heavy-Rain-impressive-too-bad-we-can-t-talk-about-it/pg/49/aid/122309
Does this mean that we're gonna get some more info soon?
Hope so. Not sure why everyone's so excited though to be honest, the video shown is starting to show it's age already, and always had the infamous uncanny valley aspect to sort out (its in the EYES!) The trailer apparently didn't have anything to do with the game and Fahrenheit fell apart terribly in its second half (last third if I'm being generous.)
I'm keeping my fingers crossed that this will be one hell of a game, and I did enjoy Fahrenheit enough to play it till the end, I just want to know what it is that's getting people into such a frenzy.
dream raider
26-07-08, 16:00
I hope they realease information on this game soon. I am really looking forward to know more about it.
The graphics are quite frightening but realistic, I hope they have improved it by now.
can i add Heavy Rain is NOT Sony's top secret game....
Heavy Rain was just 1 of several games they showed behind closed doors :D it is even said Sony's top secret game hasn't even been named publicly yet
that rules out Heavy Rain :jmp:
can i add Heavy Rain is NOT Sony's top secret game....
Heavy Rain was just 1 of several games they showed behind closed doors :D it is even said Sony's top secret game hasn't even been named publicly yet
that rules out Heavy Rain :jmp:
Last I heard was a Sony executive saying MAG was the Secret game, but now higher-ups have come and said he didn't know what he was talking about and that there is a genuinly impressive, super secret game that will blow us all away.
Last I heard was a Sony executive saying MAG was the Secret game, but now higher-ups have come and said he didn't know what he was talking about and that there is a genuinly impressive, super secret game that will blow us all away.
i read all about it on BBC's E3 section
their reporter said he was shown footage of a PS3 game that totally changes storytelling and other stuff, he said it was a working playable demo
he also said it wasn't the following
Heavy Rain,Getaway 3, Eight Days (well the last two are cancelled lol)
but he and other journalists who saw it are sworn to secrecy :D all the gaming public knows is that whatever this game is...it hasn't EVER been named before, it's clearly a first party game, and i guess it could be mentioned at Leipzig:confused:
some reckon it's an RPG of some sort
Last I heard was a Sony executive saying MAG was the Secret game, but now higher-ups have come and said he didn't know what he was talking about and that there is a genuinly impressive, super secret game that will blow us all away.
I'm still hoping for Uncharted 2. But that is not exactly secret. Perhaps it's a Heavenly Sword 2 :D!
I'm still hoping for Uncharted 2. But that is not exactly secret. Perhaps it's a Heavenly Sword 2 :D!
HS2 wouldn't be a secret either :vlol:
i just hope whatever this mystery title is, it turns out to be good :D
HS2 wouldn't be a secret either :vlol:
But it would be a HUGE surprise ;). And what they said about storytelling could fit to HS.
oocladableeblah
26-07-08, 17:34
I hope it is not a shooter if it is I don't think it will be so great. I would like it to be a rpg, ps3 needs more of those. Could it be Twisted Metal noo I doubt it.
But it would be a HUGE surprise ;). And what they said about storytelling could fit to HS.
true
i agree a HS2 would indeed be a surprise given Ninja Theory want nothing to do with it anymore, but at the same time it wouldn't be a secret as the fans EXPECT a sequel (me included) :jmp:
i'm going to commit myself and say..............it's a new IP whatever it is :D
true
i agree a HS2 would indeed be a surprise given Ninja Theory want nothing to do with it anymore, but at the same time it wouldn't be a secret as the fans EXPECT a sequel (me included) :jmp:
Nope. I think nobody expects a sequel of HS :(. After those rumours that Sony Cambridge made a sequel that got cancelled (along with Getaway 3 and Eight Days)...I think nobody believes in it anymore :(...
ajrich17901
26-07-08, 17:51
I'm still hoping for Uncharted 2. But that is not exactly secret. Perhaps it's a Heavenly Sword 2 :D!
God i hope not the first game was horrible
God i hope not the first game was horrible
Although we're getting totally off-topic:
The first game was AWESOME! The gameplay was a bit weak. But it was always fun and never got boring. The characters, the cutscenes, the story!!!! AMAZING!
Nope. I think nobody expects a sequel of HS :(. After those rumours that Sony Cambridge made a sequel that got cancelled (along with Getaway 3 and Eight Days)...I think nobody believes in it anymore :(...
Sony did comment on that rumour "we don't comment on rumour and speculation" :D (regarding HS2)
i believe (just my thoughts :)) HS2 was never in active development and probably still isn't,however i'm not willing to give up hope just yet.
it might happen,it might not. it's clearly 50/50 :jmp: plus it NEEDS a sequel, HS has huge potential IMO
Sony did comment on that rumour "we don't comment on rumour and speculation" :D (regarding HS2)
i believe (just my thoughts :)) HS2 was never in active development and probably still isn't,however i'm not willing to give up hope just yet.
it might happen,it might not. it's clearly 50/50 :jmp: plus it NEEDS a sequel, HS has huge potential IMO
Definately. And as the story for the second part was already written...
Definately. And as the story for the second part was already written...
i think the only thing HS fans can do is watch this space :D
i think the only thing HS fans can do is watch this space :D
Okay...the game that will be announced is Hardware 2 :(.
http://playstationlifestyle.net/2008/07/24/ps3-exclusive-announcement-hardware-2-concept-name/
Okay...the game that will be announced is Hardware 2 :(.
http://playstationlifestyle.net/2008/07/24/ps3-exclusive-announcement-hardware-2-concept-name/
actually...it appears it isn't the mystery BBC game :jmp:(i read all comments on the link you gave)
if this was the mystery game i for one am totally NOT impressed as this game can't have "immersive storytelling and gameplay" :D
It seems like some Heavy Rain screens have appeared online:
http://spilzonen.dk/x/news/21374/
oocladableeblah
06-08-08, 23:29
It seems like some Heavy Rain screens have appeared online:
http://spilzonen.dk/x/news/21374/
Wow nice find. Graphics are amazing, I am still curious as to what the game is about.
ajrich17901
07-08-08, 00:27
It seems like some Heavy Rain screens have appeared online:
http://spilzonen.dk/x/news/21374/
FINALY!! lol they look amazing O_O now all we need is a release date :)
VonCroy360
07-08-08, 00:37
The screens look great! Can we now assume we'll see it in Leipzig? :)
dream raider
07-08-08, 09:44
It seems like some Heavy Rain screens have appeared online:
http://spilzonen.dk/x/news/21374/
They look so real! :eek: Amazing!
Thanks for sharing! :tmb:
george_croft
07-08-08, 11:32
It seems like some Heavy Rain screens have appeared online:
http://spilzonen.dk/x/news/21374/
Am I the only one who can't see the pics? I get "A fatal error was trapped during page execution".
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Am I the only one who can't see the pics? I get "A fatal error was trapped during page execution".
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Nope,
I can't see them either
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Am I the only one who can't see the pics? I get "A fatal error was trapped during page execution".
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Same for me. You can get them here (http://www.ripten.com/heavy-rain-image-gallery/), though.
It's wonderful what having great graphics and being an exclusive can do to the image of your games. Indigo Prophecy didn't get half the attention Heavy Rain is getting.
VonCroy360
07-08-08, 12:57
^ I think Fahrenheit is the reason to this amount of interest. They didn't have a really big game before and then Fahrenheit surprised everyone and made us think this one will be awesome as well.
Anyway, I hope they stay out of the SciFi things this time. A little mystery would be great, but I didn't really like the turn Fahrenheit took near the end.
^ I think Fahrenheit is the reason to this amount of interest. They didn't have a really big game before and then Fahrenheit surprised everyone and made us think this one will be awesome as well.
I'd say it had more impact on the critics' perception than the actual general public. I can't say I know too many people who have played Indigo Prophecy. Omikron had pretty good word-of-mouth too.
EDIT: Yeah I think no one did :(
george_croft
07-08-08, 14:27
Same for me. You can get them here (http://www.ripten.com/heavy-rain-image-gallery/), though.
Thanks John!
The graphics are gorgeous, very realistic.
Hairhelmet12
07-08-08, 17:07
Wow that game looked awesome i would have loved to play it! :jmp:
Lara Croft Fan Joe
07-08-08, 17:49
That does look very impressive. Looks like it would be a big boost for the PS3.
*laralover*
07-08-08, 18:42
This game is looking awesome:tmb: Fahrenheit was a good game too :)
Finaly confrimed... the game´s a HORROR game ! :jmp:
http://kotaku.com/5039436/heavy-rain-gets-public-showing-at-games-convention
Trigger_happy
21-08-08, 09:44
One question I do have: Is the women in the trailer the Same as "Mary Smith", the women from the casting? I've seen two or three articles saying that, but they don't look similar.
Isn't it funny how graphics can get people so excited for a game. Fahrenheit was a point and click adventure simplified to point of insulting (see Longest Journey and, to a lesser extent, it's sequel Dreamfall for truly great point and click) with a hell of a lot of QTEs thrown in (considering there hatred in Legend on these boards I'm surprised this hasn't been mentioned). I'll admit the story had me intrigued for at least the first half of the game and the duologue was well scripted even if the characters were all a bit flat. However the last third became a muddled mess and the result was a plot that reminded me of all the matrix rip-offs that came post 1999.
Don't get me wrong, I may sound harsh but I did really enjoy the game, I just didn't think it was mind blowing enough to warrant all the attention Heavy Rain is getting and I believe the growing hype does stem from the graphics. I see the same thing with Killzone 2, does no one remember how mediocre Killzone 1 was?! Maybe the Sony owners are just desperate for a good game (I'm kidding, don't look at me like that!)
Trailer is out! http://kotaku.com/5039782/watch-the-heavy-rain-gameplay-trailer
Isn't it funny how graphics can get people so excited for a game. Fahrenheit was a point and click adventure simplified to point of insulting (see Longest Journey and, to a lesser extent, it's sequel Dreamfall for truly great point and click) with a hell of a lot of QTEs thrown in (considering there hatred in Legend on these boards I'm surprised this hasn't been mentioned). I'll admit the story had me intrigued for at least the first half of the game and the duologue was well scripted even if the characters were all a bit flat. However the last third became a muddled mess and the result was a plot that reminded me of all the matrix rip-offs that came post 1999.
Don't get me wrong, I may sound harsh but I did really enjoy the game, I just didn't think it was mind blowing enough to warrant all the attention Heavy Rain is getting and I believe the growing hype does stem from the graphics. I see the same thing with Killzone 2, does no one remember how mediocre Killzone 1 was?! Maybe the Sony owners are just desperate for a good game (I'm kidding, don't look at me like that!)
you are aware some people actually liked the original Killzone? and at a guess those people will most likely buy the new one :D
as for liking a game simply because of graphics,although you may have a point, funny how TRU immediately springs to mind too ;)
as for Heavy Rain,well it's nice to know an entire game has been judged simply by a 1min trailer,we have no idea exactly what the gameplay is or what type of gameplay is involved. all i see on most boards is "omg it's QTE,that sucks" to those people i say prove it,to the normal folks i say wait and see for more media then judge.
and yes thanatos,i think it's looks rather nice,i'm intrigued by it,not familiar with particular developers work so i'm in the wait for more media camp, but i like what i see,if the story is of high quality yeah i'll buy it :D
you are aware some people actually liked the original Killzone? and at a guess those people will most likely buy the new one :D
as for liking a game simply because of graphics,although you may have a point, funny how TRU immediately springs to mind too ;)
as for Heavy Rain,well it's nice to know an entire game has been judged simply by a 1min trailer,we have no idea exactly what the gameplay is or what type of gameplay is involved. all i see on most boards is "omg it's QTE,that sucks" to those people i say prove it,to the normal folks i say wait and see for more media then judge.
and yes thanatos,i think it's looks rather nice,i'm intrigued by it,not familiar with particular developers work so i'm in the wait for more media camp, but i like what i see,if the story is of high quality yeah i'll buy it :D
The sequences look very similar to fahrenheit and the media reports say it does play in very much the same style so it's easy to assume there are many QTE sequences involved. In fact I'm surprised at how many people on the net are shocked at the QTE sequences (I've also read similar posts as those you mentioned) have these people never seen Fahrenheit?
The thing that initially got me excited with Fahrenheit was the way it was almost a video game version of the old "choose your own adventure" books in the way that each decision would affect the direction the storyline went. Disappointingly this only seemed to be in prominence early in the game and seemed to only result in different dialogue, later in the game it was more a case of 'do it this way or lose life bars.' However the reports coming from media viewings seem to suggest Heavy Rain has greatly expanded upon the idea and seems to be closer to the creator's original vision, which is something I do think is worth getting excited about!
The sequences look very similar to fahrenheit and the media reports say it does play in very much the same style so it's easy to assume there are many QTE sequences involved. In fact I'm surprised at how many people on the net are shocked at the QTE sequences (I've also read similar posts as those you mentioned) have these people never seen Fahrenheit?
The thing that initially got me excited with Fahrenheit was the way it was almost a video game version of the old "choose your own adventure" books in the way that each decision would affect the direction the storyline went. Disappointingly this only seemed to be in prominence early in the game and seemed to only result in different dialogue, later in the game it was more a case of 'do it this way or lose life bars.' However the reports coming from media viewings seem to suggest Heavy Rain has greatly expanded upon the idea and seems to be closer to the creator's original vision, which is something I do think is worth getting excited about!
like i said previously i'm not familiar with this developer nor have played previous titles by them,i still say it's unfair to judge until all facts are known about it,so i'll keep an eye on it and more media obviously.if it does turn out to be completely QTE then there's a chance it wont end up on my shelf, if is a mixture of that and actual gameplay then i will...........if the title appeals to me after seeing more of it :D
Larson_1988
21-08-08, 15:45
Hmm, the game does look good. :o Perhaps i'll get it when it's released. :)
Hmm, the game does look good. :o Perhaps i'll get it when it's released. :)
shame it's out in 2009 though :( but i can think of one reason why that is so (apart from the game probably nowhere near completion)
games are like movies and you release titles to take the spotlight away from your rivals, the most hyped eagerly awaited game yet to be released on 360 is Alan Wake, my guess is Heavy Rain will be launched to combat it's release.
maybe.....:D
oocladableeblah
21-08-08, 15:51
Was gonna update the first page with the new trailer, but survival already posted a link to it. Game looks awesome :tmb:
like i said previously i'm not familiar with this developer nor have played previous titles by them,i still say it's unfair to judge until all facts are known about it,so i'll keep an eye on it and more media obviously.if it does turn out to be completely QTE then there's a chance it wont end up on my shelf, if is a mixture of that and actual gameplay then i will...........if the title appeals to me after seeing more of it :D
The easiest way to explain the gameplay is by talking about the first level of Fahrenheit. You wake up in a cafe's restroom and realise you have killed someone and you have to clear up the evidence before the cop comes in. You can either run straight out and through the fire exit or clean up the evidence and calmly walk out the front door (making sure you pay your bill first so you don't bring undue attention to yourself.) Your choices determine how easy it will be for the police in the next scene (who you play as) to work out who could be a suspect and build a profile around them. To actually clean up the evidence you have to do things like pick up a mop and move your analogue stick left and right at a certain rhythm. Later in the game you have to have conversations with people using dialogue trees (think mass effect) which are timed so you have to think quick. These conversations will determine suspicion of you (when playing as the murderer) and how far along with the investigation you are (when playing as the police). There are multiple action sequences in the game which get more complex as the game progresses, these are the QTE events (which are admittedly better suited to this type of game) and include a sequence of running through your office being chased by hallucinary giant beetles and (in the UK version) a sex scene.
it's hinted a pre-release demo will hit PSN, also talk of possible DLC :jmp:
Gothlegend
21-08-08, 16:49
It looks AMAZING! but what exactly do you do in the game?
It looks AMAZING! but what exactly do you do in the game?
nobody actually knows at this time :D
oocladableeblah
21-08-08, 16:56
It looks AMAZING! but what exactly do you do in the game?
Well from what we have seen, you are trying to get away from someone that is trying to kill you.
It looks AMAZING! but what exactly do you do in the game?
I read somewhere that there are several playable characters. The game is supposed to have a very mature story. From what I have read I'd even go as far as to say that the story is the most important thing in the game. It is tried to implement as much of the story as possible into actual gameplay.
Well from what we have seen, you are trying to get away from someone that is trying to kill you.
That's not actual in-game footage though, just an example of what they're shooting for gameplay wise.
silver_wolf
21-08-08, 19:09
this game sounds like it could be very good or very bad. I hope it's not all QTE
this game sounds like it could be very good or very bad. I hope it's not all QTE
Of course it's not. Quantic Dream makes games. Not CG-movies.
silver_wolf
21-08-08, 20:24
It was sort of hard to tell from the IGN preview.
dream raider
21-08-08, 23:18
I don't know about you guys but this game seems little too serious and creepy for me...
http://gamevideos.1up.com/video/id/20909
I'm hyped but this is the kind of game I won't have an idea of whether or not I might like it until I actually play it extensively. Well, it's a story-focused adventure game so that's to be expected. If Indigo Prophecy/Fahrenheit is anything to go by (and the reason I'm hyped for Heavy Rain is because I'm expecting something similar to Indigo Prophecy/Fahrenheit; not because of anything I've seen so far per se) this game might be awesome.
Let's just hope they don't mess up the ending like they did with their previous game.
Ward Dragon
22-08-08, 00:28
Of course it's not. Quantic Dream makes games. Not CG-movies.
Fahrenheit: Indigo Prophecy had an excessive amount of Interactive Cutscenes, so I wouldn't be surprised if this new game does too.
Anyhow, Fahrenheit was a pretty good game (aside from the ending being horribly rushed) so I'm interested to see what the new game is about :)
tranniversary119
22-08-08, 01:01
This video never really creeped me out for some odd reason. What the hell's the game about anyway?
Fahrenheit: Indigo Prophecy had an excessive amount of Interactive Cutscenes, so I wouldn't be surprised if this new game does too.
Anyhow, Fahrenheit was a pretty good game (aside from the ending being horribly rushed) so I'm interested to see what the new game is about :)
I'm surprised you liked it judging by your idea of a videogame :p
Ward Dragon
22-08-08, 03:29
I'm surprised you liked it judging by your idea of a videogame :p
So am I :p Like I said before, though, if something is done well then I will probably like it, even if it's not my usual cup of tea. I never want to do another IC with alternating triggers, though (my poor hands!) :vlol:
So am I :p Like I said before, though, if something is done well then I will probably like it, even if it's not my usual cup of tea.
Charisma +1! (this begs the question : was SotC done well?)
I never want to do another IC with alternating triggers, though (my poor hands!) :vlol:
Dexterity +1!
:p
Yeah, they have their storytelling skills right (and truly adapted to videogaming) but they do need to make the gameplay less dependent on QTEs.
Ward Dragon
22-08-08, 04:34
Charisma +1! (this begs the question : was SotC done well?)
I like SotC too. I just don't think it's as amazing as everyone claims it is.
Dexterity +1!
:p
Yeah, they have their storytelling skills right (and truly adapted to videogaming) but they do need to make the gameplay less dependent on QTEs.
Oh this is embarassing. I actually meant the gameplay was done well. The story was rather weak (especially towards the end of the game, where it just fell apart and I couldn't take it seriously).
I like SotC too. I just don't think it's as amazing as everyone claims it is.
What's amazing as everyone claims it is then? I just want an example so I ca build a case here :p
Oh this is embarassing. I actually meant the gameplay was done well. The story was rather weak (especially towards the end of the game, where it just fell apart and I couldn't take it seriously).
I just read your comment on the other thread I thought it was just temporary insanity on your part or something :P WTH! Yes I agreee that in the end it's rubbish, really, but I can't believe you didn't enjoy the story and that it wasn't what kept you going - I really can't believe that :p
If you strip Fahrenheit of the story the gameplay was really nothing that good, actually. You just don't want to admit it :p
silver_wolf
22-08-08, 04:50
I like SotC too. I just don't think it's as amazing as everyone claims it is.
If you're refering to Shadow of the Colossus, I love that game. If not, ignore my stupidity.
Ward Dragon
22-08-08, 04:52
^ Yup, Shadow of the Colossus. It was a good game and I enjoyed it. I just heard such rave reviews prior to playing it that it failed to live up to my expectations, so I have trouble seeing what all the hype is about.
What's amazing as everyone claims it is then? I just want an example so I ca build a case here :p
The Dark Knight, Hannibal Lecter, and StarCraft. That is all.
I just read your comment on the other thread I thought it was just temporary insanity on your part or something :P WTH! Yes I agreee that in the end it's rubbish, really, but I can't believe you didn't enjoy the story and that it wasn't what kept you going - I really can't believe that :p
The mystery at the beginning was interesting. Once they introduced the Maya, I was totally done with the story though. From then on it completely lost my interest and I was kind of mocking it in my head as I went along. I kept playing mainly to see if there were any interesting levels ahead, and because I was in shock that I didn't thoroughly hate the QTE's so I wanted to see how much it would take for the novelty to wear off.
If you strip Fahrenheit of the story the gameplay was really nothing that good, actually. You just don't want to admit it :p
I really did enjoy the gameplay. I had fun running around picking stuff up, messing around with evidence and seeing the direct results of my actions in the other characters' chapters. I even enjoyed the QTE's to an extent, although that pretty much used up my life-time quota of QTE's so I never want to see another one again :vlol:
ajrich17901
22-08-08, 13:10
Ok...well i was wanting this game until i saw the friken IC's -_- unless i see something realy cool soon this will be goin off my to buy list.
Fahrenheit: Indigo Prophecy had an excessive amount of Interactive Cutscenes, so I wouldn't be surprised if this new game does too.
Anyhow, Fahrenheit was a pretty good game (aside from the ending being horribly rushed) so I'm interested to see what the new game is about :)
Yes. But I that was a response to a post that worried about the game only being one massive IC ;).
Lara Croft Fan Joe
22-08-08, 14:18
I'm really looking forwar to this game :D
^ Yup, Shadow of the Colossus. It was a good game and I enjoyed it. I just heard such rave reviews prior to playing it that it failed to live up to my expectations, so I have trouble seeing what all the hype is about.
Well maybe you didn't read what the reviews were raving about :p Atmosphere, arstyle and the story/characters were the elements that made most who love it, go crazy over SotC.
The Dark Knight, Hannibal Lecter, and StarCraft. That is all.
The masses' hype does nothing for me, so not living up to the hype is never a problem for me. Still, StarCraft is overrated :p
The mystery at the beginning was interesting. Once they introduced the Maya, I was totally done with the story though. From then on it completely lost my interest and I was kind of mocking it in my head as I went along. I kept playing mainly to see if there were any interesting levels ahead, and because I was in shock that I didn't thoroughly hate the QTE's so I wanted to see how much it would take for the novelty to wear off.
I can't remember most of the storyline (Maya?) but yes the story lost it's charm near the end. But it still was the main draw (otherwise you were just performing the most boring of tasks again and again) and like I said, I won't believe you even if you say it wasn't. Sorry, I'm reserving the right to not take you seriously here, due to the outrageous-ness of your claim :p
I really did enjoy the gameplay. I had fun running around picking stuff up, messing around with evidence and seeing the direct results of my actions in the other characters' chapters. I even enjoyed the QTE's to an extent, although that pretty much used up my life-time quota of QTE's so I never want to see another one again :vlol:
If the gameplay wasn't served by the story and the characters and the context would you still enjoy it? I don't buy it ;)
I've just seen the new screenshots of the game, OMG it looks awesome !!! :eek:
No doubt this game will be a new hit for them ! :tmb:
Trigger_happy
22-08-08, 17:15
The only thing that worries me is that nothing we have seen relates directly to the actual game: David Cage, I'm sure, has said that the LGC Demo will not be part of the full game. It must be a pretty wacky/good story for them to hide it for so long.
The only thing that worries me is that nothing we have seen relates directly to the actual game: David Cage, I'm sure, has said that the LGC Demo will not be part of the full game. It must be a pretty wacky/good story for them to hide it for so long.
so what we saw is't in the game at all? or was it something that doesn't play an overall role in the plot?
if not in the game at all that means we literally know nothing about it, plus false advertising getting people's hopes up :(
so what we saw is't in the game at all? or was it something that doesn't play an overall role in the plot?
if not in the game at all that means we literally know nothing about it, plus false advertising getting people's hopes up :(
Yes. It is not in the game. But the characters (if I understood everything right) will be in the game. And that were also ingame graphics.
The story will revolve around four different characters that all hunt the Origami killer.
Yes. It is not in the game. But the characters (if I understood everything right) will be in the game. And that were also ingame graphics.
The story will revolve around four different characters that all hunt the Origami killer.
i'm actually disappointed now. so only Madison and the graphics were legit? this takes secrecy to a whole new level :( why lie? at a GC of all places? would it have hurt to show genuine 100% non plot spoiler game footage that was actually in-game
i'll probably still buy it as i did like what i saw,the concept intrigues me too :D
Ward Dragon
22-08-08, 19:22
Well maybe you didn't read what the reviews were raving about :p Atmosphere, arstyle and the story/characters were the elements that made most who love it, go crazy over SotC.
SotC had a story? :confused:
The masses' hype does nothing for me, so not living up to the hype is never a problem for me. Still, StarCraft is overrated :p
StarCraft deserves every bit of hype and then some :D But anyhow, it wasn't so much random hype as individual people saying how great SotC was that really got me interested in the game and then it just didn't live up to it. The horse really did not obey my commands and that kind of ruined the whole "wander around for awhile with nothing to do while searching for the next colossus" aspect, not to mention I hated all of the boss battles which required the horse.
I can't remember most of the storyline (Maya?) but yes the story lost it's charm near the end. But it still was the main draw (otherwise you were just performing the most boring of tasks again and again) and like I said, I won't believe you even if you say it wasn't. Sorry, I'm reserving the right to not take you seriously here, due to the outrageous-ness of your claim :p
Wandering around a crime scene gathering evidence, solving puzzles in creepy bookstores, trying to put all the evidence together, these things I like. What about the gameplay did you find boring?
If the gameplay wasn't served by the story and the characters and the context would you still enjoy it? I don't buy it ;)
It could have been pretty much any generic murder mystery and I still would have found the gameplay interesting :)
SotC had a story? :confused:
Yes, as simple as it was.
StarCraft deserves every bit of hype and then some :D But anyhow, it wasn't so much random hype as individual people saying how great SotC was that really got me interested in the game and then it just didn't live up to it. The horse really did not obey my commands and that kind of ruined the whole "wander around for awhile with nothing to do while searching for the next colossus" aspect, not to mention I hated all of the boss battles which required the horse.
Yes, we have established that you suck at videogames already (TRA "camera frustrations" et all) :p
Wandering around a crime scene gathering evidence, solving puzzles in creepy bookstores, trying to put all the evidence together, these things I like. What about the gameplay did you find boring?
I didn't. But if there was no context for the gameplay I probably would after a while. In these sort of games I find that gameplay and story really go hand in hand. The interesting aspect of investigation is unraveling a mystery, which is story related.
It could have been pretty much any generic murder mystery and I still would have found the gameplay interesting :)
Yeah right :rolleyes::p
Ward Dragon
22-08-08, 22:52
Yes, as simple as it was.
Just checking if I missed something here. The basic story is the main character wants to wake up the girl so he goes around killing the Colossi because he thinks that will do the trick, right?
Yes, we have established that you suck at videogames already (TRA "camera frustrations" et all) :p
http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f214/WraithStar/defiant-1.jpg I do not suck at videogames. I just have a low tolerance for crappy controls and/or cameras.
I didn't. But if there was no context for the gameplay I probably would after a while. In these sort of games I find that gameplay and story really go hand in hand. The interesting aspect of investigation is unraveling a mystery, which is story related.
Perhaps we are using different terms for the same idea, then. I viewed most of the mystery elements as gameplay items since my direct actions (hiding evidence, finding it, solving a puzzle or letting it go, etc.) had an effect on what gameplay I would experience in later chapters (at least to an extent). This is what interested me.
Once we got to the point where the story actually tried to take over (as opposed to being a general mystery providing an excuse for the gameplay), the fun was kind of gone for me. I kept playing because I wanted to see if the gameplay would get back on track to what it was in the first half of the game, but it didn't really deliver.
Yeah right :rolleyes::p
I stand by my claim :p I would have been much happier with the game if it had remained a normal murder mystery, and if the story had been simply that the killer was insane and/or on drugs. That would have been much more satisfying for me than what they actually did with the story.
Just checking if I missed something here. The basic story is the main character wants to wake up the girl so he goes around killing the Colossi because he thinks that will do the trick, right?
Well yeah, he is told so by Dormin. He ends up inadvertently helping Dormin re-materialize himself and becomes the first in a line of tainted men. The story is really simple but gradually fleshes out the world and draws a few parallels (all subject to personal interpretation much like the lineage theory) with ICO which is a sequel from a story standpoint. Have you played ICO?
http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f214/WraithStar/defiant-1.jpg I do not suck at videogames. I just have a low tolerance for crappy controls and/or cameras.
What makes the horse controls bad then?:p I had total control over it; the same amount a person does in real life. You know what? TR tank controls are regarded as crappy by many.
Perhaps we are using different terms for the same idea, then. I viewed most of the mystery elements as gameplay items since my direct actions (hiding evidence, finding it, solving a puzzle or letting it go, etc.) had an effect on what gameplay I would experience in later chapters (at least to an extent). This is what interested me.
Story is always directly or indirectly a gameplay element. You know why you are doing things and you often want to do stuff in order to progress the story (not JUST to progress the story, but it's a balance; it's "immersiveness" whatever that is)
Once we got to the point where the story actually tried to take over (as opposed to being a general mystery providing an excuse for the gameplay), the fun was kind of gone for me. I kept playing because I wanted to see if the gameplay would get back on track to what it was in the first half of the game, but it didn't really deliver
I stand by my claim :p I would have been much happier with the game if it had remained a normal murder mystery, and if the story had been simply that the killer was insane and/or on drugs. That would have been much more satisfying for me than what they actually did with the story.
I already said how I agree the story started to suck major arse after a certain point :) Don't try to make this about story VS gameplay cause it's not. Just admit you liked the story before it went all fantasy/scifi already :p
Ward Dragon
22-08-08, 23:41
Have you played ICO?
Yes. That's another game I liked but overall I think it's overrated. I wasn't sure if it came before or after SotC. I guess the answer is after?
What makes the horse controls bad then?:p I had total control over it; the same amount a person does in real life. You know what? TR tank controls are regarded as crappy by many.
All I know is that in TR1-5 when I told Lara to go somewhere, she went there. The horse in SotC, not so much. Then again the vehicle controls in TR1-5 sucked as well, so maybe it's just a matter of games having different controls for vehicles which aren't as precise that drives me crazy.
Story is always directly or indirectly a gameplay element. You know why you are doing things and you often want to do stuff in order to progress the story (not JUST to progress the story, but it's a balance; it's "immersiveness" whatever that is)
Balance is the key. I liked Fahrenheit toward the beginning where the gameplay was emphasized and the story supported it. Once the story took over, the game lost all of its charm for me.
I already said how I agree the story started to suck major arse after a certain point :) Don't try to make this about story VS gameplay cause it's not. Just admit you liked the story before it went all fantasy/scifi already :p
I liked the story when it was just a background context for the gameplay. When the game switched focus, that's when it lost me.
Edit: To be clear, I love good stories and I love it when a game has a good story. I just need to have good gameplay too, and the story has to be told in a way that it adds to the gameplay rather than detracts from it. That's the point I'm trying to make -- at the beginning of Fahrenheit, this balance was achieved. However, after a certain point (mainly when the guy visited the scientist in the museum and found out the Maya were involved and he was being possessed), the game kind of lost its pace and tried to cram too much story into too little gameplay at the expense of all of the cool things that made the gameplay interesting in the first part of the game.
Edit 2: The whole concept of playing different characters in different chapters and actually having a choice of what to do as each character which would affect what the other characters could do, that was new to me and I really enjoyed it. I wish it had been developed even more instead of being discarded as the game went on. It just gave me a really cool feeling to find something out as one character and know full well what it meant since I had done it earlier as another character.
I kind of got the same feeling later on when I played Eternal Darkness: Sanity's Requiem, although it's a different type of game and you don't really get any choices except for one at the very beginning. Without really spoiling anything, the general concept of Eternal Darkness is that the main character finds pages of a book and as she finds each page, you get to experience its story first-hand, which means taking over another character and playing through a level set at some point in the past. All of the stories are connected in some way, so it was cool seeing the connections as I played through the game.
Yes. That's another game I liked but overall I think it's overrated. I wasn't sure if it came before or after SotC. I guess the answer is after?
It came before but in terms of story it's a sequel. I don't think ICO/SotC are overrated, you simply don't seem to feel attracted to the same stuff people like in those games. Atmosphere is a huge part of it. Gameplaywise they are pretty generic, yes. But they didn't set out to be gameplay marvels.
All I know is that in TR1-5 when I told Lara to go somewhere, she went there. The horse in SotC, not so much. Then again the vehicle controls in TR1-5 sucked as well, so maybe it's just a matter of games having different controls for vehicles which aren't as precise that drives me crazy.
You simply hold X and guide the horse with the d-pad. Don't see what's so hard about it really.
Balance is the key. I liked Fahrenheit toward the beginning where the gameplay was emphasized and the story supported it. Once the story took over, the game lost all of its charm for me.
I liked the story when it was just a background context for the gameplay. When the game switched focus, that's when it lost me.
Edit: To be clear, I love good stories and I love it when a game has a good story. I just need to have good gameplay too, and the story has to be told in a way that it adds to the gameplay rather than detracts from it. That's the point I'm trying to make -- at the beginning of Fahrenheit, this balance was achieved. However, after a certain point (mainly when the guy visited the scientist in the museum and found out the Maya were involved and he was being possessed), the game kind of lost its pace and tried to cram too much story into too little gameplay at the expense of all of the cool things that made the gameplay interesting in the first part of the game.
Edit 2: The whole concept of playing different characters in different chapters and actually having a choice of what to do as each character which would affect what the other characters could do, that was new to me and I really enjoyed it. I wish it had been developed even more instead of being discarded as the game went on. It just gave me a really cool feeling to find something out as one character and know full well what it meant since I had done it earlier as another character.
Well that is story. It's an interactive story, but it's story. And actually I thought that in the beginning of the game the story was a lot more fleshed out then it turned out to be towards the end when it "tunneled".
Ward Dragon
23-08-08, 00:57
It came before but in terms of story it's a sequel. I don't think ICO/SotC are overrated, you simply don't seem to feel attracted to the same stuff people like in those games. Atmosphere is a huge part of it. Gameplaywise they are pretty generic, yes. But they didn't set out to be gameplay marvels.
I guess that's it then. The gameplay was generic, and I've played other games with better atmosphere, so I didn't see anything truly captivating. I mean, they were good games and I don't regret having played them, but I never would have thought they'd have such strong praise written about them.
You simply hold X and guide the horse with the d-pad. Don't see what's so hard about it really.
I can use the d-pad? I was trying to use the analogue stick and the horse was a real pain :hea:
Well that is story. It's an interactive story, but it's story. And actually I thought that in the beginning of the game the story was a lot more fleshed out then it turned out to be towards the end when it "tunneled".
Yes, that's the point I was trying to make. When the story was there to support the gameplay and leave a lot of mystery to the imagination, it was very good. When the game switched gears and tried to focus exclusively on the story, not only did the gameplay suffer, but the story itself seemed like a major let-down because it wasn't as good as whatever the player's imagination was anticipating.
This concept applies to pretty much all games out there -- the best games have great gameplay which is supported by a great story, and the story only adds to the game rather than taking anything away from the experience. A game can still be good for me if it has excellent gameplay and no story. However, any game with an overbearing story will quickly lose my interest because it's trying too hard to tell the story which makes it nearly impossible to be any good as a playable game.
For an example of a great game having a large focus on the story, look at Kotor, Jade Empire, or any other good RPG. They have rich, extensive stories. However, the player actively discovers the story as the game progresses, learning as much or as little as they want about it by participating in the game world and searching for information. This is a much different experience from a game which effectively tells the story in painful detail regardless of any actions on the player's part. In this case, it feels like the player has no control over the story and so the story is being forced upon the player.
That's why I think it's best to either have a game's story leave a lot to the imagination, or else to have all of the extra little details be something optional that the player can discover or even have some influence over. That way the player is actively participating in unraveling the mysteries of the game rather than simply having everything laid out via excessive cutscenes.
Edit: So anyhow, hopefully Heavy Rain will repeat the excellent build-up of Fahrenheit and then actually maintain that pace and deliver a satisfying conclusion to the story rather then trying to tie everything up in a messy rush.
I can use the d-pad? I was trying to use the analogue stick and the horse was a real pain :hea:
Actually I meant the analogue stick. Dunno what's so hard about it but let's forget about that. :P
This is a much different experience from a game which effectively tells the story in painful detail regardless of any actions on the player's part.
It's different, wouldn't say it's better. I think there is validity in various forms of telling a story in a game, whether it's completely linear (like LoK) with heavy emphasis on lengthy cutscenes, or non-linear and blended in the gameplay. What matters most to me is if the story is gripping. How it is delivered is more of a detail. Obviously I prefer stories intertwined with the gameplay, but I think that few games do that successfully. I also prefer linear storylines. Using KOTOR and JE as examples, they were great as far as smaller stories are concerned but the actual main plot ended up being quite uninteresting.
And yeah, I share your hopes for HR. But I will probably wait until Team Ico's third game is released before I consider a PS3 purchase.
Ward Dragon
23-08-08, 01:27
It's different, wouldn't say it's better. I think there is validity in various forms of telling a story in a game, whether it's completely linear (like LoK) with heavy emphasis on lengthy cutscenes, or non-linear and blended in the gameplay.
Refer back to how my favorite LoK games (BO1/2 and SR1) do not have that much of an emphasis on lengthy cutscenes (at least not compared to how much gameplay there is in between cutscenes) :whi:
I don't mind linear stories, and in fact they are necessary for most games. I just mind when it gets to the point where the story feels suffocating and I'd rather just be playing instead of sitting through yet another pointless cutscene (whether or not the cutscenes can be skipped, I have a compulsion to sit through them at least once because I'm afraid I might miss something good).
What matters most to me is if the story is gripping. How it is delivered is more of a detail. Obviously I prefer stories intertwined with the gameplay, but I think that few games do that successfully. I also prefer linear storylines. Using KOTOR and JE as examples, they were great as far as smaller stories are concerned but the actual main plot ended up being quite uninteresting.
The delivery matters to me just as much, if not more than the actual story itself. I've read a lot of books, seen a lot of TV shows/movies, and played a lot of games. It's very rare for a game to have a totally new story that I've never seen before. Consequently, I'm much more interested in it if the story is told in an interesting way (like Eternal Darkness, where the style and novelty of the game made up for somewhat average story and level design -- I mean, the story was decent, but I was much more impressed with how it was told than with the actual story itself).
And I liked the main plots of Kotor and Jade Empire. Sure they were rather over-dramatic and predictable, but once fleshed out with all of those optional story pieces they were quite fun and interesting :)
And yeah, I share your hopes for HR. But I will probably wait until Team Ico's third game is released before I consider a PS3 purchase.
Is Heavy Rain a PS3 exclusive? :(
Refer back to how my favorite LoK games (BO1/2 and SR1) do not have that much of an emphasis on lengthy cutscenes (at least not compared to how much gameplay there is in between cutscenes) :whi:
I've lost faith in your nosgothian judgment :pi:
Is Heavy Rain a PS3 exclusive? :(
I'm afraid so.
Ward Dragon
23-08-08, 03:05
I've lost faith in your nosgothian judgment :pi:
Why, just because I like the classic LoK games? ;) Just messin' with ya...
I'm afraid so.
That sucks :( I guess I won't be playing it after all.
Why, just because I like the classic LoK games? ;) Just messin' with ya...
So they are the classic LoK games now...I'm beginning to see a pattern here :p
Eurogamer have written a pretty good preview of the behind closed doors showing of Heavy Rain at GC.
http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=221452
More broadly, what is Heavy Rain? Is it an interactive movie? Is it an action game? Is it next-gen point-and-click? Is it Choose Your Own Adventure for the 21st century?
i got more hyped for HR after reading it. it sounds very promising imo :wve:
OMG!Sorry to bump this thread but this just had to be posted!:yah:
http://www.gametrailers.com/player/usermovies/250005.html
:eek:It looks so damn real!Finally a game that makes good use of the PS3's power!:jmp:
He really reminds me of Alfred Molina,lol.:D
Can't wait to see more beautiful characters,though.:p
I've downloaded the game trailer from PSN some wweks ago and recently read the article in Edge.
Personally i don't care for hyper-realism in games unless they have something to offer.I'm interested in Heavy Rain but i'm not crazy about it.At least for now.;)
I honestly am one of the biggest fans of Indigo Prophecy/Fahrenheit. That I won't be able to play this is such a huge, huge let-down. Heavy Rain really is my kind of game, but it looks like I'll just have to settle for the fact that I'm "stuck" with my RPGs on the 360. But really, Heavy Rain, just from what I've seen so far, amounts to three 360 RPG titles combined.
http://www.gametrailers.com/player/usermovies/250005.html
Dammit ! That's amazing ! :tmb:
OMG!Sorry to bump this thread but this just had to be posted!:yah:
http://www.gametrailers.com/player/usermovies/250005.html
:eek:It looks so damn real!Finally a game that makes good use of the PS3's power!:jmp:
He really reminds me of Alfred Molina,lol.:D
Can't wait to see more beautiful characters,though.:p
That is Alfred Molina! That tech demo is 3 years old and is in reference to the Cell processor, it has nothing to do with Heavy Rain. The guy just put that in the description because everyone at GameTrailers is a View-***** (if you get enough views on your videos you can trade in "GT points" for games.)
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