View Full Version : Whats up with the Kraken's tentacles?
Croft12301
06-07-08, 01:09
This may come off as nit picky but I am underwhelmed at the tentacles of the Kraken his suckers look like pimples or some sort of bump on the tentacles and they don't actually look wet it looks like some slime is on it. You can see seams on the tentacles. :( However the head/body of the Kraken blows my mind expecially in the HD pics of it in tombraiderchronicles. :jmp:
Sekhraider
06-07-08, 01:30
Hmm..the tentacles look alright to me. Its really the Octopus' expressions. In everyshot, it looks the same...with the evil stare. Like he/she is a statue. I hope that thing's head actually moves with creases indicatiing expression. It would be dumb for CD to make just the tentacles move all realistically but the face and head just remain statue-like. That would remind me of the days of Sega Genesis with the bosses who only moved their limbs but nothing else. Maybe it the angle of the tentacle. There was one shot where the tentacle looked bent and curvy. It was weird.
This may come off as nit picky but I am underwhelmed at the tentacles of the Kraken his suckers look like pimples or some sort of bump on the tentacles and they don't actually look wet it looks like some slime is on it. You can see seams on the tentacles. :( However the head/body of the Kraken blows my mind expecially in the HD pics of it in tombraiderchronicles. :jmp:
l am equally underwhelmed by people who complain about minute details in an alpha version screenshot. The tentacles looked fine in most shots, l am sure any problems with seams and textures during action sequences will be solved, before they get to the final version, but even if not you would not notice them while playing the game, since the tentacle would be moving pretty fast.
navinloveslara
06-07-08, 02:50
l am equally underwhelmed by people who complain about minute details in an alpha version screenshot. The tentacles looked fine in most shots, l am sure any problems with seams and textures during action sequences will be solved, before they get to the final version, but even if not you would not notice them while playing the game, since the tentacle would be moving pretty fast.
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I totally agree that'll they fix everything that needs fixing;).
You can see seams on the tentacles. :(
I knew it! It's a fake! It's a rubber kraken, you can see the mold lines! :vlol:
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Croft12301
06-07-08, 18:34
LOL I guess since I actually like octopuses, they're one of my favorite creatures I would like them to be properly represented but aside that its the little detail in things that make the final product impecable. I hope they do fix it. They shouldn't half-ass things just cause people won't notice them. Right?
But a kraken is not an octopus, he has been around a lot longer and is a lot tougher, his suckers are unlikely to be the same as an octopus. You take an octopus out of the water he is relatively flat, not having any skeleton or , the kraken is not so he obviously has a bit of support for all that weight, an exoskeleton, little tusks/spines even, so he is a lot different to an octopus, who's only bony structure is a beak.
l am equally underwhelmed by people who complain about minute details in an alpha version screenshot. The tentacles looked fine in most shots, l am sure any problems with seams and textures during action sequences will be solved, before they get to the final version, but even if not you would not notice them while playing the game, since the tentacle would be moving pretty fast.
Amen, aussie, u make everyones thread a day;)
Hey, seams are very usual in big scale objects, because it is hard to map their entire texture and still get a good resolution for each area of the object. So it has to be broken down into small pieces to get the most out of the available texture space.
That's why the texture of the Kraken is mirrored. You can clearly see that on the high res screenshots (check the head).
I bet the Kraken we are seeing now is not the final monster.
at some point i think croft12 is right,.. even thou the kraken looks great the cups on each arm arent really grabbing the columns or anything,.. it is a fact that octopuses uses their lined double cups in each arm to grab and to move themselfs from wherever they are, underwater, and out of it.... so i think they should fix that on the kraken...
secondly, the syphon or funnels are way to obvious in the kraken... perhaps they should paint it a lil darker so it wont brake the body color harmony.
thirdly i hope the kraken bleeds blue... since regular octopuses have blue blood. it could be a nice add to it...
who said that kraken is a regular octopus ...
who said that kraken is a regular octopus ...
No the Kraken is an extraordinary octopus. :p
so what's the problem then? CD will represent it as they please. It's their plot and they can make anything with its appearance
so what's the problem then? CD will represent it as they please. It's their plot and they can make anything with its appearance
it doesnt matter if its extraordinary or not,.. octopuses, kraken, skids, nautiluses like almost every cephalopod have arms,.. and this arms are used to GRAB, so they can FEED, or MOVE,.. but those arms can only be USED if the cups are on the right positition.... honestly,.. whats the point on even drawing the cups if they arent on the right position... the point is to grab the columns,.. or not????:p...
i dont wanna start a discussion about the right of the artist to create,.. but,.. since there are many things that need to be in the real way of unreality,... its like making laras legs flexible to the back like an chicken... could be their right to,.. but they dont...
it doesnt matter if its extraordinary or not,.. octopuses, kraken, skids, nautiluses like almost every cephalopod have arms,.. and this arms are used to GRAB, so they can FEED, or MOVE,.. but those arms can only be USED if the cups are on the right positition.... honestly,.. whats the point on even drawing the cups if they arent on the right position... the point is to grab the columns,.. or not????:p...
yup but underpus is fictional still !!! how can such big thing be closed in that room?! and why the hell there is a spiked chandelier right above his head?!
its like making laras legs flexible to the back like an chicken... could be their right to,.. but they dont...
They can't do it coz Lara meant to be real woman in the game and she is the main character more than a decade now. So they will try their best to make Lara as much real as possible. Adding vertices, improving her textures, implementing mo-cap, involving voice actors, adding more mimics and emotions. TR is not fps it's 3rd person adventure. So they will be focused on Lara's appearance, personality and emotions.
But with kraken it's not like that. It's just another monster in the game and maybe not even the main villain.
And they can't find the real textures for underpus and can't implement mo-cap for it. Even its voice will be artificially generated.
Otherwise they could take normal octopus, its sound, mo-cap it and just make its size unbelievable huge
They can't do it coz Lara meant to be real woman in the game and she is the main character more than a decade now. So they will try their best to make Lara as much real as possible. Adding vertices, improving her textures, implementing mo-cap, involving voice actors, adding more mimics and emotions. TR is not fps it's 3rd person adventure. So they will be focused on Lara's appearance, personality and emotions.
But with kraken it's not like that. It's just another monster in the game and maybe not even the main villain.
And they can't find the real textures for underpus and can't implement mo-cap for it. Even its voice will be artificially generated.
Otherwise they could take normal octopus, its sound, mo-cap it and just make its size unbelievable huge
being critical,.. you cant use mo-cap for an octopus,.. but still its easier to generate a closer movement to an octopus than to a woman,.. and,.. why not add realism to the kraken, when they are trying to add realism to every stone and surface of the game...its not like its impossible or like its going to hurt anyone,... adding a bit more of realism in this case will make the game look less dumb (not that it looks dumb), but .. its always those small details that make a game brilliant....
being critical,.. you cant use mo-cap for an octopus,..
you can use mo-cap for any animal it's just attachable detectors. Just catch octopus and pin detectors all over it and transfer all his movement to pc.
you can use mo-cap for any animal it's just attachable detectors. Just catch octopus and pin detectors all over it and transfer all his movement to pc.
have you thought how hard that it is,..?... besides octopuses are, because of their consistence easy to get their motion detectors off...
anyway,... thats not the point... the point is, the way the lovely underpus fits its arms on the environment... and how the zyphon could be a little bit more blended to the rest of the body skin...
and if possible,... since some giant cephalopods have developed bones/teeth on the tentacles or on the arms, it coud be also nice to see it on the kraken... teeth at the very end of each arm that could scratch or make lara bleed:D:D:D...
have you thought how hard that it is,..?... besides octopuses are, because of their consistence easy to get their motion detectors off...
anyway,... thats not the point... the point is, the way the lovely underpus fits its arms on the environment... and how the zyphon could be a little bit more blended to the rest of the body skin...
and if possible,... since some giant cephalopods have developed bones/teeth on the tentacles or on the arms, it coud be also nice to see it on the kraken... teeth at the very end of each arm that could scratch or make lara bleed:D:D:D...
I know how hard it is coz I've read an article how scientists proved that octpus' movement is very complex and intelegent. Maybe they've used mo-cap on them and cd could borrow all data from them and apply to udnerpus lol :D Whatever it seems too expensive anyway
But seriously their suckers (lol funny word) can cause that skin "burns". It could be a good effect or he could wrap tenctacle around Lara and to get out player had to press arrow directions otherwise he could suck Lara's blood down or simply break her or hit onto walls or drown her :jmp:
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