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Poke Warrior
07-07-08, 15:43
Will Lara's hair keep on going in Lara's body?
Coz that really :mad: me! XD
just croft
07-07-08, 15:44
is that such a big problem that will prevent you from playing? I think there are bigger bugs to be handled.
There nothing wrong in that, when you have long hair in a ponytail sometimes it does move on your shoulder. The animation for her hair that is perfect, it's just detail really. Also it's not stopping you from playing.
Poke Warrior
07-07-08, 15:45
No, it going in her back and out her belly
No, it going in her back and out her belly
No that kind of error in animation or physics won't happen in Underworld, hopefully. :)
just croft
07-07-08, 15:47
when did that happen to you?
Poke Warrior
07-07-08, 15:51
It happens when you kneel, somtimes climb etc
just croft
07-07-08, 15:53
Yes but that doesn't really happen every single time. It isn't something that would affect gameplay that much. It's one of those things that I don't think you have to worry about, as sooner or later time will take care of that.
Poke Warrior
07-07-08, 15:58
But it would be nice if it couldbe stopped ^^
But it would be nice if it couldbe stopped ^^
It will, just don't worry about it.:p
Will we ever have Lara with a 2 meter Ponytail like in TR4, or do we have to depend on Mods.
just croft
07-07-08, 16:13
^^ all this questions are useless. No one can answer them but CD themselfs, and they have more things to worry about than this. You all will just have to wait.
Lets all let this thread die, agree?
Will we ever have Lara with a 2 meter Ponytail like in TR4, or do we have to depend on Mods.
To have a ponytail that long is rather unpractical for raiding tombs. Even if mods try to texture her ponytail to be that long it would be impossible because the length of the hair model isn't that long.
Lets all let this thread die, agree?
I agree.
Will Lara's hair keep on going in Lara's body?
Coz that really :mad: me! XD
i know, that's so annoying. its like she braided her chest hair or something(but she doesnt have any, so maybe its glued on...).
Let's talk about her Pancreas! If it's not realistic, I'm not playing the game! :mad:
her hair not too long so what's the problem? It won't affect the game ... whatever ....
I do agree that these useless Threads should die and it doesent bother me how Short or Long the Hair is.
jagged halo
07-07-08, 16:48
This always annoyed me when I was trying to screenshot her swimming up through water!
I'm not gonna lie, I wish the hair was worked on.
What people said above about the hair through the shoulder did annoy me to.
And CD is trying to make everything look "believeable", but it kinda breaks when you see her ponytail go through her chest.:p
While I'm generally against complainer threads... persistent bugs and/or glitches do bother me. So I think its pretty relevant. It would be a silly thread if it were about her hair color. So what do you think of the shade?
While I'm generally against complainer threads... persistent bugs and/or glitches do bother me. So I think its pretty relevant. It would be a silly thread if it were about her hair color. So what do you think of the shade?
It could be redder.:p
Just kidding.;)
It bothers me more that lara is with a ponytail, not her TM braid
It bothers me more that lara is with a ponytail, not her TM braid
The ponytail looks better on her, it's more fashionable.
The ponytail looks better on her, it's more fashionable.
But the braid is her trademark. Just as her big breasts or her short shorts or her double pistols are!
The ponytail looks better on her, it's more fashionable.
:rolleyes:
Lara doesn't care about fashion. Plus the plait is her thing. the hairstyle that makes her recognizable. each time you see a person with a loooong plait don't you have the instant association to Lara? I think everyone does.
I know it's an old trademark, but new gamers know her how Lara is now. It's called change people! :p
:rolleyes:
Lara doesn't care about fashion. Plus the plait is her thing.
It takes twice as long to make a plait than just to quickly put up your hair in a ponytail, Lara has more time then for other things.
But the braid is her trademark. Just as her big breasts or her short shorts or her double pistols are!
Imo,in the old TRs you could only tell that it was a braid during FMVs.In the actual game it looked like a ponytail that was tied on both ends.
And it's just hair!The ponytail and braid are almost the same thing.It's not like they made Lara bald(the vman:mis:)or made her hair short.:)
I know it's an old trademark, but new gamers know her how Lara is now. It's called change people! :p hwy fix whats not broken? And I have talked with old fans stopped playing TR years ago and they couldn't recognise legend lara! Anniversary Lara is recognized in the very second?
It takes twice as long to make a plait than just to quickly put up your hair in a ponytail, Lara has more time then.
so? A braid is tighter and harder to fall apart and loosen up. Its far more practical and comfortable. Plus looks better. And not to mention this is a game... that its tied quicker or stays with its right shape longer isnt an issue when we are talking about a game. take Altair's hood for example. When he starts running and jumping, teh hood doesnt fall on his holders because of the wind... because its a game
Legend of Lara
07-07-08, 21:12
I'll have to agree with NightWish on that one. The braid looks way better than the ponytail.
bloodstormaoa
07-07-08, 21:12
:vlol: Grow up! It's not a huge deal.
You know what it really doesn't matter, like I said on my first post on this thread. :p
:vlol: Grow up! It's not a huge deal.
it is! :p *duels*
Theres a Thead about Hair Color and theres a Thread about how Short the Hair is, but talking about Hair going through a Game Character is Utterly Pointless and Stupid, ive played many Games in my life, but Teensy Tiny Little things like Hair going through a Person never bothered me at all, i laugh at it mostly and enjoy the Graphics of the Game.
just croft
07-07-08, 22:24
We have got to start 2 new groups
Get Rid Of Hair Threads
&
Get Rid Of Pointles Details Threads
GROWL 4 BETTER TOMB RAIDER
MichaelK@NK
07-07-08, 22:37
:wve:ANYWAY back to the topic at hand. Persnally I think this is a good thread for CD to come and take a look at, b/c if they're going to make Lara more realistic as stated earlier, than her hair should be the same. It's not like I'm overobsessed as to whether it is fixed or not, I'm here 50/50. But, if CD does want it to be better and look EXTRA presentabe, than yeah they should def fix the problem with Lara's hair glitches. I mean, st some points in the game, it rather does get quite annoying. So, yeah. People stop complaining about useless threads and blah blah blah, b/c it's not really for you guys to decide, whether or not it is one. And this has not been mentioned b4 (If i can recall). So, everyone just answer the question and back off of the whole useless threads crap. B/c honestly, I've looked at some of everyone of you guys threads. And TBH, some of them are pretty crappy and useless, as are some of mine. So stop HATING!
iamlaracroft
07-07-08, 22:42
:wve:ANYWAY back to the topic at hand. Persnally I think this is a good thread for CD to come and take a look at, b/c if they're going to make Lara more realistic as stated earlier, than her hair should be the same. It's not like I'm overobsessed as to whether it is fixed or not, I'm here 50/50. But, if CD does want it to be better and look EXTRA presentabe, than yeah they should def fix the problem with Lara's hair glitches. I mean, st some points in the game, it rather does get quite annoying. So, yeah. People stop complaining about useless threads and blah blah blah, b/c it's not really for you guys to decide, whether or not it is one. And this has not been mentioned b4 (If i can recall). So, everyone just answer the question and back off of the whole useless threads crap. B/c honestly, I've looked at some of everyone of you guys threads. And TBH, some of them are pretty crappy and useless, as are some of mine. So stop HATING!
lol
i've always thought it was pretty pointless to point out something's pointless-ness...but maybe that's just me ;)
hwy fix whats not broken? And I have talked with old fans stopped playing TR years ago and they couldn't recognise legend lara! Anniversary Lara is recognized in the very second?
so? A braid is tighter and harder to fall apart and loosen up. Its far more practical and comfortable. Plus looks better. And not to mention this is a game... that its tied quicker or stays with its right shape longer isnt an issue when we are talking about a game. take Altair's hood for example. When he starts running and jumping, teh hood doesnt fall on his holders because of the wind... because its a game
I imagine Altair must use bobby pins.
Ponytail v. braid doesn't bother me as much as how much length she's lost since Legend. If it gets any shorter she really will look like a little girl with that high ponytail :p As long as she's got those thigh holsters, she'll still be recognisable for the most part.
Well back to the original point again, having played 8 games with Lara's hair falling through her neck and other parts of her anatomy it would be nice to finally sort out the collision detection problem. Lara's hair has been getting shorter lately, so perhaps this time it will not be long enough for us to see it poking out of her shoulder/chest/neck on odd occasions, l preferred Lara with the long braid though, but it seems it is just to much for the developers to get it right. It is hardly going to ruin the game for me if they did not fix it.
MichaelK@NK
08-07-08, 00:08
Well back to the original point again, having played 8 games with Lara's hair falling through her neck and other parts of her anatomy it would be nice to finally sort out the collision detection problem. Lara's hair has been getting shorter lately, so perhaps this time it will not be long enough for us to see it poking out of her shoulder/chest/neck on odd occasions, l preferred Lara with the long braid though, but it seems it is just to much for the developers to get it right. It is hardly going to ruin the game for me if they did not fix it.
Ditto
There's nothing wrong with her hair. :p
There's nothing wrong with her hair. :p
True, but there is something wrong with how it behaves sometimes.
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j215/aussie500/Tomb%20Raider%20Legend/uvs080708-003.jpg
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j215/aussie500/AE%20game/uvs080708-006.jpg
Its not as bad as it used to be, but still sometimes it is annoying, l do not actually have many screenshots of the problem, since l delete them when l realise Lara's hair stuffed it up.
Tombraiderx08
08-07-08, 02:05
yes that was rather bothersome...like how in anniversary it'd keep going in her shoulders, and this one scene in legend when she hopped down to get kent in the flash back her braid like stood STRAIGHT back i was like hahaha wtf?!
Logie 12 =]
08-07-08, 08:11
it will be stopped :)
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j215/aussie500/Tomb%20Raider%20Legend/uvs080708-003.jpg
http://i.tombraiderchronicles.com/tombraiderunderworld_x360_screenshots_01/screen024_nm.jpg
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j215/aussie500/AE%20game/uvs080708-006.jpg
http://i27.tinypic.com/24brm2u.jpg
A braid is tighter and harder to fall apart and loosen up. Its far more practical and comfortable. Plus looks better. And not to mention this is a game... that its tied quicker or stays with its right shape longer isnt an issue when we are talking about a game. take Altair's hood for example. When he starts running and jumping, teh hood doesnt fall on his holders because of the wind... because its a game
I agree! :tmb:
ajrich17901
08-07-08, 10:32
True, but there is something wrong with how it behaves sometimes.
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j215/aussie500/Tomb%20Raider%20Legend/uvs080708-003.jpg
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j215/aussie500/AE%20game/uvs080708-006.jpg
Its not as bad as it used to be, but still sometimes it is annoying, l do not actually have many screenshots of the problem, since l delete them when l realise Lara's hair stuffed it up.
LMAO her hair is always so hungry O_O
Thank god cd fixed this bug finaly the new screens of her hair look so realistic
just croft
08-07-08, 12:15
Thanks for sharing those, daventry. I hadn't noticed that detail :o
Let's hope nothing changes (talking about her hair only) from that, then.
Yes well they are not going to use buggy screens to advertise the game, l will wait till l play it before deciding if it is fixed.
Woop Legend!
08-07-08, 12:34
Yes well they are not going to use buggy screens to advertise the game, l will wait till l play it before deciding if it is fixed.
That is probably the best attitude to have.
I am hoping the ponytail will be single strands of hair pulled back, but they still seperate rather than being a huge clump that looks glued together. I saw a trailer of DOA on the 360 (even though I don't play the games) and the females have their hair down and it is all single hair strands, which was very impressive. It moved over their shoulders and then down their back.
If Computer Animated Movies can fix the Hair problem and even go through the smallest detail by going from screen to screen, why cant Game Developers do that.
We got Threads like:
Hair color
Ponytail
Braid
Boobs
Butt
Finger Nails
Shoes
Feet
So are we giving Game Developers a Good sence of Direction or do we make them feel Small as if we can do a better Job then they.
Yes well they are not going to use buggy screens to advertise the game, l will wait till l play it before deciding if it is fixed.
Ditto :tmb:
If Computer Animated Movies can fix the Hair problem and even go through the smallest detail by going from screen to screen, why cant Game Developers do that.
We got Threads like:
Hair color
Ponytail
Braid
Boobs
Butt
Finger Nails
Shoes
Feet
So are we giving Game Developers a Good sence of Direction or do we make them feel Small as if we can do a better Job then they.
Movies use render-farms of hundreds of PC's taking hours to render A single FRAME.. could you imagine if we said `Lara now with real hair, however game may take approximately 2 years to show you`
Woop Legend!
08-07-08, 12:59
Movies use render farms of hundreds of PC's taking hours to render A single FRAME.. could you imagine if we said `Lara now with real hair, however game may take approximately 2 years to show you`
plus in movies they are focusing on a specific space, games they are focusing on everything around. It isn't plausable to think we are going to get film like effects.
Maybe someday, not today
plus in movies they are focusing on a specific space, games they are focusing on everything around. It isn't plausable to think we are going to get film like effects.
Maybe someday, not today
well gonna need a serious increase of horsepower to even get close.. think about it, if it takes hundreds of seriously fast pc's hours per second, i dont think we'll ever see that in a single console in our lifetime..
*records this moment in a true Gates `we'll never need more then 64k` style*
MichaelK@NK
08-07-08, 13:15
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j215/aussie500/Tomb%20Raider%20Legend/uvs080708-003.jpg
http://i.tombraiderchronicles.com/tombraiderunderworld_x360_screenshots_01/screen024_nm.jpg
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j215/aussie500/AE%20game/uvs080708-006.jpg
http://i27.tinypic.com/24brm2u.jpg
Thnx for sharing those pics included with the buggy pics Daventry. Let us just all pray that it'll be this way in-game.
just*raidin*tomb
08-07-08, 13:25
Doesnt really bother a whole lot. but i expect it will fixed since the hair has an element of physics.
just croft
08-07-08, 13:33
well gonna need a serious increase of horsepower to even get close.. think about it, if it takes hundreds of seriously fast pc's hours per second, i dont think we'll ever see that in a single console in our lifetime..
*records this moment in a true Gates `we'll never need more then 64k` style*
Look how games evolved in the last 10 years! Are you thinking of dying of natural causes in the next ten? (Hope not)
well gonna need a serious increase of horsepower to even get close.. think about it, if it takes hundreds of seriously fast pc's hours per second, i dont think we'll ever see that in a single console in our lifetime..
*records this moment in a true Gates `we'll never need more then 64k` style*
Why not. If you look at how far we have come until now in 3D gaming in so little time...I mean 10 years back TR1 was one of the best looking games. And now look at the games today. They look so much better that I really don't want to know what will come in the future.
You never know :)...
EDIT: just croft was faster :p.
To get render quality real time graphics i think wont happen in my life time..
My batteries will probably expire by time am mid 50's as i dont reckon i got a long life expectancy. A bit of a defect in my internal programming i reckon.. and i am like an Ipod, u cant change the battery so once it goes i go too :)
just croft
08-07-08, 13:42
To get render quality real time graphics i think wont happen in my life time..
My batteries will probably expire by time am mid 50's as i dont reckon i got a long life expectancy. A bit of a defect in my internal programming i reckon.. and i am like an Ipod, u cant change the battery so once it goes i go too :)
You're still 31! com'on! I know a guy that's 40-something almoust 50, and I've been playing with him online since Diablo 1! (yes I've been playing games since a young age :o) the guy is still playing WOW! He is a teacher and a great parent! « I'm not related to him btw. You still have lots of time to the graphics evolve. :wve:
This is getting a bit off topic...
If Computer Animated Movies can fix the Hair problem and even go through the smallest detail by going from screen to screen, why cant Game Developers do that.
Simple:
Game rendering = REALTIME
CG movie rendering = NOT REALTIME.
Simple:
Game rendering = REALTIME
CG movie rendering = NOT REALTIME.
Both are real time, rendering.
Both are real time, rendering.
A CG movie is not real time rendering.. its pre-rendered.
Keeping this on topic.. Games render `polygons` so hair is made up of polygons, more detailed means more polygons, means more power needed, just to render the hair.. theres a compromise :)
A CG movie is not real time rendering.. its pre-rendered.
They are still both rendered, to get the final result. :)
They are still both rendered, to get the final result. :)
Yeh but theres a HUGE difference between one taking an hour per frame, and the other doing 60 frames per second
Yeh but theres a HUGE difference between one taking an hour per frame, and the other doing 60 frames per second
I know that. :p
But like I said with Lara's hair all the errors that were in Legend and Anniversary should be fixed in Underworld. :) Lara's hair in Underworld is already looking realistic so it should have realistic movement.
I imagine Altair must use bobby pins.
Ponytail v. braid doesn't bother me as much as how much length she's lost since Legend. If it gets any shorter she really will look like a little girl with that high ponytail :p As long as she's got those thigh holsters, she'll still be recognisable for the most part.
yeah teh ponytail is too short - in tR4 and 5 it reached her ass goddamn it! :vlol:
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j215/aussie500/Tomb%20Raider%20Legend/uvs080708-003.jpg
http://i.tombraiderchronicles.com/tombraiderunderworld_x360_screenshots_01/screen024_nm.jpg
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j215/aussie500/AE%20game/uvs080708-006.jpg
http://i27.tinypic.com/24brm2u.jpg
Well, OF COURSE they will show us pics without bugs! :rolleyes:
Well, OF COURSE they will show us pics without bugs! :rolleyes:
Precisely. Just like they're showing us pics with no reticules.
ccroft2003
08-07-08, 14:49
I love Lara's hair in this picture! It just shows that those other screenies we've seen with Lara's dodgy hair are from early development version of the game. A bit like how recently we saw on Eric's blog those two screens of mexico. 1 from how the level looked 6 months ago and the other how it looked last week.
http://i27.tinypic.com/24brm2u.jpg
MichaelK@NK
08-07-08, 15:41
I love Lara's hair in this picture! It just shows that those other screenies we've seen with Lara's dodgy hair are from early development version of the game. A bit like how recently we saw on Eric's blog those two screens of mexico. 1 from how the level looked 6 months ago and the other how it looked last week.
http://i27.tinypic.com/24brm2u.jpg
How were you able to copy and paste that pic?
How were you able to copy and paste that pic?
The same way everybody else does, upload it to an image server, the image has been uploaded to tinypic. :confused:
There are worse things than Laras hair ;D
Will Lara's hair keep on going in Lara's body?
Coz that really :mad: me! XD
ohh i know what you mean and when it goes through her neck in nepal in TRL
its no unrealistic and this gamee is supposed to be realistic isnt it so i really hope not
x2crazyidiot
09-07-08, 16:27
I saw a trailer of DOA on the 360 (even though I don't play the games) and the females have their hair down and it is all single hair strands, which was very impressive. It moved over their shoulders and then down their back.
woot, DOA! :D:p
all fanboy-ism aside though, DOA4/Xtreme 2 has by far the best hair I've ever seen
The women's hair flys about in the wind, and has many many strands of hair, falling over their shoulders, etc.
Make TR hair like this!! :tmb:
people say that hair isn't important, but that's just stupid.
Imagine you're playing a fantastic TR game, Lara's moves are brilliant, the graphics are phenominal, and then her ponytail falls through her stomach.......
really puts a downer on things
just*raidin*tomb
09-07-08, 19:16
In the wolf cutscene on TRA you can see lara's hair go through her stomach as she gets up after checking for that guy's pulse. Looks painful:p
dox online
09-07-08, 19:38
Happens with midna (from zelda) all the time.
yeah teh ponytail is too short - in tR4 and 5 it reached her ass goddamn it! :vlol:
Well, OF COURSE they will show us pics without bugs! :rolleyes:
The first screenshots had a buggy ponytail.
I liked her hair colour in tr1 and tr3. It was very red. In tr4 it was rather brown
SpeedRacer360
09-07-08, 21:59
Will Lara's hair keep on going in Lara's body?
Coz that really :mad: me! XD
In Lara's Body...I like the sound of that!
In Lara's Body...I like the sound of that!
lol
It actually goes through here :p.
woot, DOA! :D:p
all fanboy-ism aside though, DOA4/Xtreme 2 has by far the best hair I've ever seen
The women's hair flys about in the wind, and has many many strands of hair, falling over their shoulders, etc.
Make TR hair like this!! :tmb:
people say that hair isn't important, but that's just stupid.
Imagine you're playing a fantastic TR game, Lara's moves are brilliant, the graphics are phenominal, and then her ponytail falls through her stomach.......
really puts a downer on things
I love DOA (my second favourite series) but the hair in DOA4/DOAX2 isn't really that good
When its long and loose, those many strands makes it look like tentacles and really weird
funny thing, here some TR fans want that hair in TR, while the DOA fans complain about it :p
I agree, there's always a glitchs in her hair and we reach the next-gen it shouldn't be that obvious.
But damn, who cares about her hair, it's like when I see a thread about her make-up. Get a life. No seriously I understand you but no need to create a thread for that. ;)
Hopefully not. Its ANNOYING
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