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I saw the trailer, and I haven't been this excited about a tomb raider game since... well, AOD.
Did anyone else get the same vibe? Lara going rogue?
In the development trailer, we're told that Lara's on a personal mission this time, and that because her actions are fuelled by selfish reasons, she's putting the world in jeopardy. Feels really dark, just like the fugitive storyline in AOD.
In AOD she left her backpack behind. In the TRU trailer, it's her guns.
And yes, the heavy eyeliner's back.
Whether Lara's becoming a badass or not, I can't wait for November...
jagged halo
19-07-08, 15:57
I'm not really sure about this. The storyline isn't the same as AOD (sorry, I just got that from the way you said it was CD's 'answer' to AOD). And in AOD, she left her backpack behind accidentally because the dogs took it off her. Here in TRU, it looks like she purposely left them in the mansion.
She aslo was suppposed to burn her manor down in AOD
Rachel Croft
19-07-08, 16:04
Yes, and did you notice how the guns were crossed on the table, just like how she had her arms crossed in one of the AoD pictures...?
If you mean it to be a thematically darker, more mature TR in the way that AoD was going for the thematically darker, more mature approach, then yeah. I don't think it ever popped into their heads whilst developing though..
"This will be our AoD, yeah!"
:tea:
if Lara is moody it doesn't mean that it's an AOD game. Aod was about Nephilims I don't think we'll meet any in tru and Turkey is not a location either
Couldn't have said it better Rivendell... yes, it is much darker. But that's why AOD popped into my head. And the eyeliner too of course. Plus in AOD Lara was supposed to explore the Turkish catacombs ala underworlds for the Nephilli (if my memory hasn't failed me)...
AOD was a great idea with poor execution. But I'm pretty sure CD's nailed it!
Crimson Tears
19-07-08, 16:12
I kinda agree with you in this one, but Lara didnt leave her backpack on purpose, the dogs took it away and started bitting on it in AOD. But what I know is that she left her guns on purpose. And maybe its because she wants to fake her own death and she decided that if she left her guns in her mansion, that will make people think she's dead and she didnt go anywhere and take her guns with her. It's probaly a sign saying "I was here" and "now Im dead".
But Im not completley sure about this, I sure hope CD will have an explainatiton to this. :D
If you mean it to be a thematically darker, more mature TR in the way that AoD was going for the thematically darker, more mature approach, then yeah. I don't think it ever popped into their heads whilst developing though..
"This will be our AoD, yeah!"
:tea:
Pretty much what I was gonna say.
Yes, and did you notice how the guns were crossed on the table, just like how she had her arms crossed in one of the AoD pictures...?
This stuff is actualy beginning to **** me off... Lara's gun also sit like that in all
the classics menus and in TRA's menu.
and that whole "omg thats the same pose as on the AoD cover! They must be linked!!" how many times has lara stood like that! seriously she does that all the time, and in the trailers shes like that in a few frames because of the force of the explosion that Lara caused.
After looking at that short video of gameplay, unfortunately this has ties to AOD. Bugs galore. :pi:
Rachel Croft
19-07-08, 16:23
Maybe she killed Amanda there and wanted to blow it up..
Crimson Tears
19-07-08, 16:26
Maybe she killed Amanda there and wanted to blow it up..
Hm, where did you thought of that? Isn't she dead in Legend?
Rachel Croft
19-07-08, 16:29
^ No, she was just knocked out.
Whoa back down Scott x... all this thread is trying to say is that CD is trying to go down the same dark path that Core tried (but failed).
But I do agree - trying to link things like gun positions and stances is a little bit much :)
I also agree that in AOD her backpack was taken away from her and not voluntarily left behind like in the TRU trailer. But in both instances it seems to be symbolic of her leaving her old ways behind - in AOD it's reluctant but in TRU it appears calculated.
filthylostsoul
19-07-08, 16:30
i don't understand why everyones trying to relate Underworld to AOD...
I mean... AOD almost ended the tomb raider series.. and if you're going to want to please the fans like Crystal are obviously doing... Angel of Darkness is probably the worst game to base Underworld on.. IMO :confused:
On the contrary... a redemption for AOD will please both pro-AOD and anti-AOD fans... it's pleasing this anti-AOD tomb raider :)
Crimson Tears
19-07-08, 17:32
^ No, she was just knocked out.
Oh.
Probaly she was killed, but why would Lara kill her anyway...she's not a murderer.
Oh.
Probaly she was killed, but why would Lara kill her anyway...she's not a murderer.
Well, she killed thousands of mercenaries. :pi:
And I agree, Amanda's not dead. She was just knocked out ^^.
lara fan #1
19-07-08, 17:37
i don't understand why everyones trying to relate Underworld to AOD...
I mean... AOD almost ended the tomb raider series.. and if you're going to want to please the fans like Crystal are obviously doing... Angel of Darkness is probably the worst game to base Underworld on.. IMO :confused:
is not. aod is probably the best game to base it on.
Crimson Tears
19-07-08, 17:38
Well, she killed thousands of mercenaries. :pi:
And I agree, Amanda's not dead. She was just knocked out ^^.
That's true. :D
Bad Lara! What did the mercenaries did to you!? :vlol: :p
Yup, but still...Lara would never do that, IMO.
Hairhelmet12
19-07-08, 17:39
Here in TRU, it looks like she purposely left them in the mansion.
I seen thos but at the end when laras walking away you can see he till has then in her holster. :confused:
Jenni and I were just discussing this as well. I would assume that after the debacle with AoD, CD would be iffy treading near those waters. It is possible however to bring back a darker feel to the games without going near AoD.
After looking at that short video of gameplay, unfortunately this has ties to AOD. Bugs galore. :pi:
I know your patience level is pretty low but give it time Sam. I won't make a final call on this till the game is in my hands.
da tomb raider!
19-07-08, 17:50
While I admit that there are some similarities with TRU and AOD, I seriously doubt TRU's related to AOD in major ways. For starters, none of the events of AOD (or TR1-5) seemed to ever happen in Crystal Dynamics timeline, therefore there's nothing to continue or resolve. Secondly, AOD was a failure. Even if Crystal Dynamics wanted to relate TRU with it, which I doubt, Eidos almost certainly wouldn't let them. And finally, there aren't quite as many similarities with TRU and AOD as you might think. For example, Lara's manor didn't burn down in AOD. Adrian Smith of Core Design simply mentioned it in an interview, before saying that it was going a bit too far, implying that it didn't actually happen. Secondly, Lara didn't mean to leave her backpack behind in AOD, the dogs took it from her. And the dual pistols were supposed to make it in AOD too, but a bug prevents that. So no, I don't think "TRU is CD's answer to AOD".
Alexandritee
19-07-08, 17:52
While I admit that there are some similarities with TRU and AOD, I seriously doubt TRU's related to AOD in major ways. For starters, none of the events of AOD (or TR1-5) seemed to ever happen in Crystal Dynamics timeline, therefore there's nothing to continue or resolve. Secondly, AOD was a failure. Even if Crystal Dynamics wanted to relate TRU with it, which I doubt, Eidos almost certainly wouldn't let them. And finally, there aren't quite as many similarities with TRU and AOD as you might think. For example, Lara's manor didn't burn down in AOD. Adrian Smith of Core Design simply mentioned it in an interview, before saying that it was going a bit too far, implying that it didn't actually happen. Secondly, Lara didn't mean to leave her backpack behind in AOD, the dogs took it from her. And the dual pistols were supposed to make it in AOD too, but a bug prevents that. So no, I don't think "TRU is CD's answer to AOD".
AOD will NEVER be a failure. So long as one person liked that game, to them, its a sucess.
I dont think AOD and TRU is linked either.. I know some people want that continuation, but chances are slim.
lara fan #1
19-07-08, 17:53
tombraider aod is not a failure many people loved it. the only reason people might not like it is because of the controls. honestly i hope it is related to aod it would be alot more interesting
Crimson Tears
19-07-08, 17:56
tombraider aod is not a failure many people loved it. the only reason people might not like it is because of the controls. honestly i hope it is related to aod it would be alot more interesting
Agree :tmb:
lara fan #1
19-07-08, 17:58
Agree :tmb:
thanks
da tomb raider!
19-07-08, 18:00
AOD will NEVER be a failure. So long as one person liked that game, to them, its a sucess.
Not really. It was critically mauled nearly everywhere, and sold much less than Eidos and Core Design wanted it too. It was delayed, and it was unfinished when it came out. It didn't get the continuations that were originally planned, and it even resulted in the franchise being handed over to another company, as well as the eventual demise of Core Design. I like AOD, but it's a failure. It has a large fanbase alright, but it needs more than that to become a success.
Jordan_Boi
19-07-08, 18:01
AOD's story was a little gothic for my liking. I do like Lara's attitude in this, it's changed from "Oh mummy, I will find you someday, I'm going to spend this whole game trying to find her." to "Yeah, let's blow my house up, that'll get the fans cheering." I prefer her in this one, and I'm glad she's going back to her old self. :tmb:
Not really. It was critically mauled nearly everywhere, and sold much less than Eidos and Core Design wanted it too. It was delayed, and it was unfinished when it came out. It didn't get the continuations that were originally planned, and it even resulted in the franchise being handed over to another company, as well as the eventual demise of Core Design. I like AOD, but it's a failure. It has a large fanbase alright, but it needs more than that to become a success.
I agree with you here. AOD had lots wrong with it, but it was likeable all the same.
lara fan #1
19-07-08, 18:03
Not really. It was critically mauled nearly everywhere, and sold much less than Eidos and Core Design wanted it too. It was delayed, and it was unfinished when it came out. It didn't get the continuations that were originally planned, and it even resulted in the franchise being handed over to another company, as well as the eventual demise of Core Design. I like AOD, but it's a failure. It has a large fanbase alright, but it needs more than that to become a success.
we can hope cant we. i still think that it was pretty good. i really wish people wouldnt be so negative about the game. if you dont like it just move on
da tomb raider!
19-07-08, 18:06
we can hope cant we. i still think that it was pretty good. i really wish people wouldnt be so negative about the game. if you dont like it just move on
Again, I like AOD too, and I'd love to see a continuation (provided they're by Core Design for obvious reasons), but that doesn't stop the game from being an overall failure.
lara fan #1
19-07-08, 18:08
Again, I like AOD too, and I'd love to see a continuation (provided they're by Core Design for obvious reasons), but that doesn't stop the game from being an overall failure.
i still dont see why its a failure for if the fans liked it shouldnt it be a success:confused:
Jordan_Boi
19-07-08, 18:09
i still dont see why its a failure for if the fans liked it shouldnt it be a success:confused:
He's explained his point plenty of times.
lara fan #1
19-07-08, 18:11
thats only money. :D
filthylostsoul
19-07-08, 18:36
is not. aod is probably the best game to base it on.
yeah but think about it...
the media in general disliked AOD.. so if they heard this game is based on AOD (which i don't actually think it is) then they could all be like "oh, its obviously gonna be rubbish!"
i'm not trying to have an argument or anything but AOD is seen as Core's main downfall and, like it or not.. almost ended the Tomb Raider series. :(
I'm not really sure about this. The storyline isn't the same as AOD (sorry, I just got that from the way you said it was CD's 'answer' to AOD). And in AOD, she left her backpack behind accidentally because the dogs took it off her. Here in TRU, it looks like she purposely left them in the mansion.
Well there is a similarity in the story. In the original AoD story Lara burnt down her mansion, too. That was taken out because Core found it a bit too extreme in the end. But it was considered to be in the game and Crystal most likely know this. They probably got inspired by that to make Lara blow up her mansion in TRU.
She aslo was suppposed to burn her manor down in AOD
That idea was said to be rejected by Core after because they thought it was too much. :)
Tomb Raider Underworld has absolutely nothing to do with AoD, it continues from Legend, AoD simply does not exist in CD's world.
filthylostsoul
19-07-08, 18:48
Tomb Raider Underworld has absolutely nothing to do with AoD, it continues from Legend, AoD simply does not exist in CD's world.
yeah, i agree.
I don't think Crystal should bother with AoD, tbh..
too risky imo.
lara fan #1
19-07-08, 18:54
do you think there are simuler things between underworld and aod?
filthylostsoul
19-07-08, 18:57
do you think there are simuler things between underworld and aod?
i suppose they're 'dark' like eachother... but i truly hope they don't touch AoD.
Not that i'm pleased with AoD or anything like that.. just that this is supposed to be the sequel to Legend, so it wouldn't make sense to randomly change her Bio again.. :confused:
lara fan #1
19-07-08, 19:01
true, true, but maybe its a whole new story not like aod or the sequel of legend???????:confused:
filthylostsoul
19-07-08, 19:07
yeah, but Legend was the start of a trilogy.. i know AoD was too, but obviously it didn't receive too well with the media and crystal dynamics took over.
The thing is though that in MY opinion.. Core's games started getting a bit stale after The last revelation.. even though i enjoy chronicles. But Crystals games seem to be getting better. Sorry i'm going on a bit.. lol anyway, i don't think Crystal are going to carry on AoD, i'm not saying people can't speculate or anything and feel free to laugh at me if i'm proven wrong but thats just my opinion. :)
Jordan_Boi
19-07-08, 19:17
Story-wise, TRU has nothing to do with AoD. But in terms of atmosphere, it gives people the dark feeling once seen in AoD.
filthylostsoul
19-07-08, 19:20
It's pretty funny how people seem to come to the conclusion that its a sequel to AoD just because her house burnt down...
thats like saying its a sequel to tomb raider II because of the underwater part... and a sequel to The Last Revelation because of the cambodia part.
:confused:
well no one used the world 'sequel' at the moment... but u have to admit it's interesting that CD is take Lara down a darker path, just like Core did... It's kind of like CD tell Core, "Bleah! We can do it better!"
filthylostsoul
19-07-08, 19:33
hmm... well its obvious they're making her much darker.. and i'm not against that or anything. The only thing i'm trying to say is that Underworld is not connected to Angel of Darkness.
Jordan_Boi
19-07-08, 19:50
I think the reason CD are making Lara darker is because loads of fans gave them stick about how she was in Legend/Anniversary. They're going the right way this time, which is good for them.
Completely not part of the topic, but how do I change my avatar? :p
Completely not part of the topic, but how do I change my avatar? :p
http://www.tombraiderforums.com/showthread.php?t=127590
:wve:
Jordan_Boi
19-07-08, 19:56
Thankyou Rivendell! :hug:
it is not AoD! I really don't understand why people keep on comparing this to AoD
filthylostsoul
19-07-08, 20:41
it is not AoD! I really don't understand why people keep on comparing this to AoD
i know. they're completely different games.
I saw the trailer, and I haven't been this excited about a tomb raider game since... well, AOD.
Did anyone else get the same vibe? Lara going rogue?
In the development trailer, we're told that Lara's on a personal mission this time, and that because her actions are fuelled by selfish reasons, she's putting the world in jeopardy. Feels really dark, just like the fugitive storyline in AOD.
In AOD she left her backpack behind. In the TRU trailer, it's her guns.
And yes, the heavy eyeliner's back.
Whether Lara's becoming a badass or not, I can't wait for November...
People thought I was making up crackpot theories when I mentioned this. No, I don't think they'll continue the story but destroying the mansion was an idea for AOD that was never used until now. So in a small way, it is quite a nod to AOD in terms of that.
i don't understand why everyones trying to relate Underworld to AOD...
I mean... AOD almost ended the tomb raider series.. and if you're going to want to please the fans like Crystal are obviously doing... Angel of Darkness is probably the worst game to base Underworld on.. IMO :confused:
AOD is probably the best game to base it on. If Underworld uses some elements from AOD as a base and is successful (you know Underworld is going to sell well), then it will change the fate of AOD and quite possibly turn all this useless anti-talk around. At least in the media.
Not really. It was critically mauled nearly everywhere, and sold much less than Eidos and Core Design wanted it too. It was delayed, and it was unfinished when it came out. It didn't get the continuations that were originally planned, and it even resulted in the franchise being handed over to another company, as well as the eventual demise of Core Design. I like AOD, but it's a failure. It has a large fanbase alright, but it needs more than that to become a success.
It was not a commercial success, but it wasn't a failure. It may not have gotten the dollar signs rolling but it has obviously invoked enough interest to keep fans passionate and fighting for it five years later.
Maybe success wasn't the right word to use, maybe that word is greatness. The idea itself was greatness, the execution was not.
Tomb Raider Underworld has absolutely nothing to do with AoD, it continues from Legend, AoD simply does not exist in CD's world.
It does exist in the CD world and timeline. I read an article that Aussie500 was so kind to share and in the article it says they are not ignoring Tomb Raider 1-6. They wanted to start out with their own vision.
They don't mind using inspiration from Core's/past games as you can see in Underworld: the spiders/sharks TR2 atmosphere and the semi-AOD feel.
I think people are very well in denial of any connection to AOD as AODers are that there isn't one.
Personally, I think there are some coincidences (the box art comparison to the teaser trailer for one) and I appreciate them. I'm not saying they are canon or starting an "AOD is back" parade. I want to thank Eidos and Crystal for using the burning manor/destroying manor idea. It's exciting and I've been looking forward to it for ages. :)
ThatNorskChick
19-07-08, 20:44
...yeah, what Anarae said. :D
filthylostsoul
19-07-08, 20:44
I don't mind nods and references to the other games.
i just don't personally want underworld to have anything to do with AoD's storyline, and i don't think crystal would relate underworld to AoD's storyline, anyway.
Crimson Tears
19-07-08, 20:48
I think I get why people are comparing this game, with AOD.
Maybe it's because of how Lara is, her personality, the game theme or emotions.
Lara seems dark, and kinda cold like her AOD self and that the game almost, not really alot but almost same personality as AOD. AOD was dark and emotional itsel., I mean in TRU, look at the backround on the teaser trailer, outside her house! It's raining and would you consider rain as happy, joyful feeling? No, it's more of emotional feeling.
Well, my point is that I think I get how people are comparing this game with AOD, is that the emotions and looks of this game and Lara's personality. ;)
I think I get why people are comparing this game, with AOD.
Maybe it's because of how Lara is, her personality, the game theme or emotions.
Lara seems dark, and kinda cold like her AOD self and that the game almost, not really alot but almost same personality as AOD. AOD was dark and emotional itsel., I mean in TRU, look at the backround on the teaser trailer, outside her house! It's raining and would you consider rain as happy, joyful feeling? No, it's more of emotional feeling.
Well, my point is that I think I get how people are comparing this game with AOD, is that the emotions and looks of this game and Lara's personality. ;)
That's why I said semi-AOD feel. It's not AOD, but there's the dark elements that were present in AOD. Underworld appears to be a lot darker, actually. But that's something we won't truly know until gameplay.
You'll see a lot of comparisions due to the other games not being very dark and Legend is very bright, lush, and green. Anniversary had a lot of colour too. Now Lara's got this black outfit and she looks quite dark and then she blows up her own house. It makes everyone step back and ask, "What the hell is she doing?"
It's fantastic!
ajrich17901
19-07-08, 21:13
Honestly yes in a way i think CD are ready to do more risky stuff gameplay and story wise. Id be happy if we got some questions answered about aod in underworld but if not im still happy
takamotosan
19-07-08, 21:17
It does exist in the CD world and timeline. I read an article that Aussie500 was so kind to share and in the article it says they are not ignoring Tomb Raider 1-6. They wanted to start out with their own vision.
link for the article, plz?
but also, does that possibly mean that CD plans to remake all the classics in their vision?
(i find that to be a wonderful and profitable prospect... :D
especially for AoD)
silver_wolf
19-07-08, 21:19
i'm hoping, and feeling, that TRU is everything AOD could have been and more.
Crimson Tears
19-07-08, 21:22
That's why I said semi-AOD feel. It's not AOD, but there's the dark elements that were present in AOD. Underworld appears to be a lot darker, actually. But that's something we won't truly know until gameplay.
That's soo true, TRU has nothing to do with AOD, exept the feeling of it, but I don't think TRU will have an contuation or anything like that of AOD. ;)
You'll see a lot of comparisions due to the other games not being very dark and Legend is very bright, lush, and green. Anniversary had a lot of colour too. Now Lara's got this black outfit and she looks quite dark and then she blows up her own house. It makes everyone step back and ask, "What the hell is she doing?"
I know! That's exactly what I thought! I love her attitude that way, it fits perfectly and find it amazing! :D
patriots88888
19-07-08, 21:24
As much as I love AOD, I certainly hope not. That (AOD) was then and this (Underworld) is now. ;) :)
Ever forward and not looking back. ;)
link for the article, plz?
but also, does that possibly mean that CD plans to remake all the classics in their vision?
(i find that to be a wonderful and profitable prospect... :D
especially for AoD)
I uploaded it to tinypic. The last two questions is where to look.
http://i36.tinypic.com/2heg28o.jpg
Crimson Tears
19-07-08, 21:25
As much as I love AOD, I certainly hope not. That (AOD) was then and this (Underworld) is now. ;) :)
Besides, I don't think CD will ever mention AOD in their games...;)
filthylostsoul
19-07-08, 21:25
As much as I love AOD, I certainly hope not. That (AOD) was then and this (Underworld) is now. ;) :)
Thats exactly how i feel! AoD is and should be left in the past IMO.
takamotosan
19-07-08, 21:27
Thanks Anarae!
:hug:
Wana b like Lara
19-07-08, 21:28
I saw the trailer, and I haven't been this excited about a tomb raider game since... well, AOD.
Did anyone else get the same vibe? Lara going rogue?
In the development trailer, we're told that Lara's on a personal mission this time, and that because her actions are fuelled by selfish reasons, she's putting the world in jeopardy. Feels really dark, just like the fugitive storyline in AOD.
In AOD she left her backpack behind. In the TRU trailer, it's her guns.
And yes, the heavy eyeliner's back.
Whether Lara's becoming a badass or not, I can't wait for November...
Yeah, same. And i really think that CD are trying to look at AoD and similar it to the new game ... well you know what i mean! :D
BTW Where did she leave her backpack?
x :hug:
I just thought again about all of this.
What if Legend and Underworld happened BEFORE AoD. And in the end of Underworld Lara blows up her manor and...well that's where AoD started (the original story of AoD). But this is all complete nonsense, of course. Because AoD is tied in with TR4. And that would mean that Legend and Underworld would have to be between TR4 and AoD. And that just doesn't fit...so forget this whole post :p. All complete NONSENSE!
I just thought again about all of this.
What if Legend and Underworld happened BEFORE AoD. And in the end of Underworld Lara blows up her manor and...well that's where AoD started (the original story of AoD). But this is all complete nonsense, of course. Because AoD is tied in with TR4. And that would mean that Legend and Underworld would have to be between TR4 and AoD. And that just doesn't fit...so forget this whole post :p. All complete NONSENSE!
But if Tomb Raider: Legend was after Tr1/AE and before Tomb Raider 2, then it would work. Legend always made more sense to me to be after TR1 because she looks so young and she's still on about her mum. Then Underworld would be either after AOD or before it. But Underworld couldn't be after AOD because I think they are still using the mother story. So AOD would be after Underworld, which doesn't make sense either because of the way Tomb Raider 4-6 connect. It would break up that trilogy type story that went on.
Of course CD means for Legend to be present day so these are only bits of wishful thinking.
The manor's destruction is very symbolic... I bet Lara discovered something about her father/mother which made her realise her life was a lie. So destroying the manor (and leaving her pistols behind) could be her way of leaving her false past behind.
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