View Full Version : Another New Gameplay Video from GC Liepzig!!!
pop_raider
21-08-08, 17:08
Check it out here
http://www.gamekyo.com/video12780_tomb-raider-underworld-new-gameplay-video.html
I am loving this game!
tranniversary119
21-08-08, 17:11
That's new thanks for sharing :tmb: Hey guys! when she bangs into the wall she doesn't keep running :jmp:
wow! thanks for sharing!:)
Immortalis08
21-08-08, 17:13
Many thanks! :tmb:
YAY
thanks :hug:
*watches*
pop_raider
21-08-08, 17:14
No problem guys! ;)
WOAH! Thank yooooooooooooooooooooooou. :jmp:
viiinicius___
21-08-08, 17:15
Thank's :yik:
tranniversary119
21-08-08, 17:16
:ton: This guy sucks big time. I bet I could zoom past that Area with all the ledges.
Holy hell! so many videos today! X.x
pop_raider
21-08-08, 17:16
He does actually lol. This video is actually the part before the video that was already posted this morning. All we need now if the part that happens after ;)
tranniversary119
21-08-08, 17:18
He does actually lol. This video is actually the part before the video that was already posted this morning. All we need now if the part that happens after ;)
Yeah he's just stuck on that stupid ledge part I wish I could help him out :p I think he's died like 8 times already.
Thanks for posting :tmb: This is a good day :D
That guy sucks, everytime he's stuck, i keep telling him as if he's next to me that he should go left or jump up. :vlol:
God, she and everything is so... PERFECT! :cln:
Achilles_DS
21-08-08, 17:23
The best part about this guy's terrible performance is the demonstration of how quickly the game loads. Very cool
Is it mushrooms she's picking up? And didn't she do the 'Umph' thing when she ran into the wall in the beginning?
Generally, the gameplay reminds me a lot of what we've already seen in Legend and Anniversary.. Just a lot prettier :)
It looks like she can grab onto not-so-obvious cracks and ledges as well, but she doesn't seem to be able to hold onto them for very long. Interesting.
http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa212/quasiraider2/fingerhold.jpg
Oh, come one, guys! How can you say it looks perfect? There's no real exploration there. Just ledges and ledges. You can totally tell where you have to go. Ugg. I was expecting more from CD.
I'm SUPER dissapointed. :(
pop_raider
21-08-08, 17:30
It looks like she can grab onto not-so-obvious cracks and ledges as well, but she doesn't seem to be able to hold onto them for very long. Interesting.
http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa212/quasiraider2/fingerhold.jpg
YUP! I noticed that too!
Melonie Tomb Raider
21-08-08, 17:30
I just hope to see more depth in gameplay aside from: grab ledge > shimmy > grab ledge over and over again.
The game looks beautiful, no doubt, but I have to admit, it also looks pretty boring. :/ I hope to see some improvement.
Tomb_of_Darkns
21-08-08, 17:30
i like that Quasi, it's somewhat realistic, but this guy kept on dieng i bet if he didn't die once we would get more of the game. also the part where she swings on to the crack bothered me she went INTO to pillar of course it will get fixed but it bothered me
http://i35.tinypic.com/34q4ao6.jpg
ooo, I thought they wern't going to have medi's?
I remember them talking about some new healing system.
Achilles_DS
21-08-08, 17:31
Why do they bother putting a break in the ledge if she just shimmies over the them as if there actually is something there. do you know what i mean?
Thanks for posting :tmb:
But, wow...does he suck. :p
He used a medi-pack?
So there's no new healing system? Why am I not surprised?
just*raidin*tomb
21-08-08, 17:33
She puts her hands up when she bumps into the wall instead of running in place! It's just like it used to be! :D
He used a medi-pack?
So there's no new healing system? Why am I not surprised?
I know right? First the free climbing thing (which doesn't seem to be exactly FREE) and now this. Ugg, next will find that the game is not as EPIC as they said.
No, wait. :hea:
Ok, I know i need to calm down, but I'm pretty upset. :mad:
So far we had 3 Thailand Gameplay Trailrs, CAN YOU IMAGINE HOW LONG AND BIG THE LEVEL IS.:eek::eek::eek::yah::yah::yah::yah: :jmp::jmp::jmp:
Achilles_DS
21-08-08, 17:37
I know right? First the free climbing thing (which doesn't seem to be exactly FREE) and now this. Ugg, next will find that the game is not as EPIC as they said.
No, wait. :hea:
Ok, I know i need to calm down, but I'm pretty upset. :mad:
En se calme. The free climbing isn't that bad, there may even be better implementation for it in other parts of the game.
MichaelK@NK
21-08-08, 17:38
THNX for sharing. watching now. :)
Oh, my sides. I'm aching, I'm laughing so much!
Everything I predicted is coming true: half the features they promised us have either been changed or don't exist. Well, I hate to say I told you so.
TRU is just a rehash of the previous games. Where's the innovation? I haven't see any much so far. This was supposed to be a next-gen experience, not just a slightly better looking version of TRL/TRA.
We were supposed to be excited by the trailers, not seriously underwhelmed.
Crystal and Eidos: FAIL.
Gambit37: I hate to say it, but I'm somewhat in agreement with your feelings..
ooo, I thought they wern't going to have medi's?
I remember them talking about some new healing system.
He used a medi-pack?
So there's no new healing system? Why am I not surprised?
Perhaps the mushrooms (wasn't that what Lara picks up when she reaches ground level and a couple of minutes later, after the tigers?) are the new medi-packs :)
En se calme. The free climbing isn't that bad, there may even be better implementation for it in other parts of the game.
You know what's so funny? That the game is released in 3 months and this is the first time we see a decent and REAL (meaning without all the editing, music and stuff) gameplay video. I really wonder why they waited SOOOO long to release something like this (well, technically they didn't, other people recorded this) but really. It almost seems like CD was trying to hide all this because they knew what the response from fans would be like.
Uggg, anyway. The game LOOKS gorgeous. The gameplay and animations otherwise...
just croft
21-08-08, 17:45
Is there anyway I can download the recent videos?
I'm guessing we haven't got Gameplay videos until now because with Legend and Anniversary people *****ed about there being too much media being released, I mean this game has a mysterious title as well... maybe keeping us in the dark until now was just there idea of psyching us up or something.
interstellardave
21-08-08, 17:46
Oh, come one, guys! How can you say it looks perfect? There's no real exploration there. Just ledges and ledges. You can totally tell where you have to go. Ugg. I was expecting more from CD.
I'm SUPER dissapointed. :(
All you're seeing is what he's doing, you're not thinking of the other possibilities! :hea:
He can only go one way, do one thing at a time. Personally I see many other places to go in this video--areas to check out where items or artifacts may be. He's rushing to get somewhere, without exploring the area first... and these areas are undeniably large... and isn't that what we wanted?
just*raidin*tomb
21-08-08, 17:46
I think this game is going to be really fun the first play through, but probably not much replay value. The animations and graphics look wonderful, but I'm iffy on everything else.
All you're seeing is what he's doing, you're not thinking of the other possibilities! :hea:
He can only go one way, do one thing at a time. Personally I see many other places to go in this video--areas to check out where items or artifacts may be. He's rushing to get somewhere, without exploring the area first... and these areas are undeniably large... and isn't that what we wanted?
Exactly, this gamer clearly isn't use to playing TR... and well, maybe he is just the type of gamer thats in it for the win and not the exploration. There were so many places in that video where I wanted to just magically direct him, I'm very curious to check out a ton of areas and he just seemed to pass by.
Oh, my sides. I'm aching, I'm laughing so much!
Everything I predicted is coming true: half the features they promised us have either been changed or don't exist. Well, I hate to say I told you so.
TRU is just a rehash of the previous games. Where's the innovation? I haven't see any much so far. This was supposed to be a next-gen experience, not just a slightly better looking version of TRL/TRA.
We were supposed to be excited by the trailers, not seriously underwhelmed.
Crystal and Eidos: FAIL.
I agree with you 100%. And I'm usually a fan that can be pleased easily (I'm not one of those super hardcore fanatics or anything). I had mid to high expectations before watching those videos, but right now I'm not even sure if I'll buy it. A rental seems much more appropiate. (And yes, I can't believe I'M saying this. :()
MrBear
But that's not NEW... It's just the same medi-pack system, only instead of the medi-packs there is something else to pick up.
silver_wolf
21-08-08, 17:51
looks like flat bread or something.
Tomb_of_Darkns
21-08-08, 17:53
looks like flat bread or something.
can i have a Southwest chicken flatbread from Dunkin' Donuts please :vlol:
so annoying how that person played:tea:
silver_wolf
21-08-08, 17:58
makes the game look like utter tripe.
pop_raider
21-08-08, 18:01
My god, why r people complaining so much ? I find it hard to believe this isnt satisfying ... the game looks gorgeous! Animation is top notch ... a few glitches here and there which will be fixed coupled with people who didnt play the game well and you're all freaked out ????
Come on!
My god, why r people complaining so much ? I find it hard to believe this isnt satisfying ... the game looks gorgeous! Animation is top notch ... a few glitches here and there which will be fixed coupled with people who didnt play the game well and you're all freaked out ????
Come on!
:vlol:
coolaideonfire
21-08-08, 18:03
We can't really judge free climbing yet, as no one seems to trying to climb surfaces which look climbable - they're just going straight for the ledges and poles. We've seen some of it on a cliff edge and that's it... there could be more, and probably is.
pop_raider
21-08-08, 18:03
:vlol:
What ? you dont agree ?
interstellardave
21-08-08, 18:07
We can't really judge free climbing yet, as no one seems to trying to climb surfaces which look climbable - they're just going straight for the ledges and poles. We've seen some of it on a cliff edge and that's it... there could be more, and probably is.
Exactly. There could be all the secret pathways and hidden items that we've ever wanted in these levels... but we just don't know it yet.
AnthonyShock1515
21-08-08, 18:08
so annoying how that person played:tea:
Quite.
Such a dumbass!
What was going on with Lara and the column.:confused:
I've got to say I'm not too impressed. The sucky gun posture from Legend/Anniversary is back, and it looks like Anniversary all over again with the constant ledge hopping. I'm quite disappointed in what I've seen :(
n00b raider
21-08-08, 18:18
Why is Lara dying after only a 15 foots fall? :confused:
She could have easily survived that in both Legend and Anniversary!
Do I smell an extremely linear route? It seems like you can't even get a good look at the waterfall! :mad:
Lara.Jolie7
21-08-08, 18:20
She die so easy, the fade out is back, and her jumps, looks like she fly, she does not look heavy like a real person when she jumps...
Hope they fix it
Hmm-m..
I liked the birds! :D
http://i36.tinypic.com/16kv2a1.png
All you're seeing is what he's doing, you're not thinking of the other possibilities! :hea:
He can only go one way, do one thing at a time. Personally I see many other places to go in this video--areas to check out where items or artifacts may be. He's rushing to get somewhere, without exploring the area first... and these areas are undeniably large... and isn't that what we wanted?
You hit the nail on the head again Dave. I spotted at least 4 to 5 other paths that I wanted to try out. I love those that see 4-5 minutes of game play and know exactly how the game will play. What I have seen so far beats any previous TR game that I have played (and I have played them all). (Did you see that tiger rear up!)
And it seems that the tigers are also introduced through a cutscene, like Underpus and probably most others :rolleyes:
And the blackouts are back too! *sigh* I'll go watch the other videos and see if my opinion changes :(
silver_wolf
21-08-08, 18:26
good thing I wasn't there, I'd blow my 5 min exploring one area.
*laralover*
21-08-08, 18:29
Another video gee too many videos we should have them all in one thread :p Also it seems that one is the PS3 version..
_Awestruck_
21-08-08, 18:31
:| Re...ticules....
interstellardave
21-08-08, 18:34
You hit the nail on the head again Dave. I spotted at least 4 to 5 other paths that I wanted to try out. I love those that see 4-5 minutes of game play and know exactly how the game will play. What I have seen so far beats any previous TR game that I have played (and I have played them all). (Did you see that tiger rear up!)
Yeah, the tigers are cool looking! People just need to expand their awareness when watching these videos... don't just watch what the player is doing but think "what does it look like I could do".
Also it seems that one is the PS3 version..
Which one and how did you identify it?
I love those that see 4-5 minutes of game play and know exactly how the game will play.
Yeah, there is a lot of that going around ...
I guess I'm a glass half full kinda guy - there's more to like than not like in my opinion. It's Beta, there are 3 months to go before the game hits the shelves, time enough for glitches to be fixed and improvements to be made.
Sp please let's not forget that what we've seen today is just gameplay from the Thailand level. That's not really suggestive of the game as a whole.
Justflipit
21-08-08, 18:35
http://i35.tinypic.com/34q4ao6.jpg
ooo, I thought they wern't going to have medi's?
I remember them talking about some new healing system.
omg people.. Lara will heal on her own if the damages is 1/3 of total.. more then 1/3 and you will need medical stuff.. JeeZZZ its been all over the forum..
The graphics are really good.. I mean this vid was made by filming the tv screen.. you will lose a lot of detail by doing that.. so the game graphics are just epic!! :D
good vid though.. thank you :jmp:
MichaelK@NK
21-08-08, 18:37
omg people.. Lara will heal on her own if the damages is 1/3 of total.. more then 1/3 and you will need medical stuff.. JeeZZZ its been all over the forum..
good vid though.. thank you :jmp:
Really? I've not encountered that anywhere. Yeah, I guess that's okay. Although I still wish tehre was something different besides the same ol same ol
george_croft
21-08-08, 18:38
*whispers* Its back...
http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q9/george_ganno/omph.jpg
:D
^I hope she'll make sounds too!:D
Thanks for posting!:tmb:
I almost died of laughter!Who played this!It looks like my 5 year old imaginary cousin playing it!:vlol:
Whoever is playing this is a disaster! :vlol:
just*raidin*tomb
21-08-08, 18:42
They're terrible. I'd lable that person tourist on the Tourist-Tomb Raider Scale:vlol:
**LARA LOVER**
21-08-08, 18:50
Wow thanks!! :D
omg people.. Lara will heal on her own if the damages is 1/3 of total.. more then 1/3 and you will need medical stuff.. JeeZZZ its been all over the forum..
All over the forum, thats funny... I haven't seen that before. No need for the attitude, its not my fault that I don't have the time to sit and read every single thread on this forum. xD
TombRaiderCool
21-08-08, 18:54
Thanks for sharing this info. :tmb:
*laralover*
21-08-08, 18:56
Which one and how did you identify it?
Hm at the right in the information it said PS3.
pizzabob18
21-08-08, 18:57
*whispers* Its back...
http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q9/george_ganno/omph.jpg
:D
those pictures should have the captions (insert "oooff" here) :D
Fallen.Angel
21-08-08, 19:17
I.need.this.game. :D It looks so beautiful and lush.... I'm going to have a hay-day when I first get it.
Crystal girl
21-08-08, 19:21
Thankies, beautiful as usual :)
Wow, you can grab the corner of a ledge too, great ! :D
impressive jugles with fauna and flora. graphics just amazing. now only plot is left
They're terrible. I'd lable that person tourist on the Tourist-Tomb Raider Scale:vlol:
Easy Mode should definitely be called Tourist. There's even a camera to take pictures prepared for those amateurs! :mis:
Hm at the right in the information it said PS3.
it was 360, because when ever lara picked up a medipack, or whatever it was, there was an icon that said Y which is a 360 control thing isnt it?:confused: im confusing myself ill just stop..
AmericanAssassin
21-08-08, 19:57
I thought the footage was awesome! :tmb: I can't wait for TRU!
TombRaiderLover
21-08-08, 19:58
The game looks gorgeous, albeit repetitive. Still impressive, though. ;)
Whoever is playing this is a disaster! :vlol:
Ditto.
takamotosan
21-08-08, 20:00
They're terrible. I'd lable that person tourist on the Tourist-Tomb Raider Scale:vlol:
*ahem*
view my signature.
*laralover*
21-08-08, 20:04
it was 360, because when ever lara picked up a medipack, or whatever it was, there was an icon that said Y which is a 360 control thing isnt it?:confused: im confusing myself ill just stop..
Yeah just watched it again it is the 360 version.
Some of that looks very good. But the person playing appears to only know how to run and jump - only 2 or 3 times does he/she pause and actually look around :cen:
I wouldn't even rate the person as a tourist, he was on a 1000-meter dash :(
I wonder if that's how people finish the game in one day and then say that the game was too short :hea:
I'm sure that's there's more stuff to see and maybe even other ways to get places.
Ah well, that's life. Thanks for posting that.
Gil :tea:
I'm buying this game.
*celebrates*
:yah::jmp::cln::jmp::yah:
http://xs3.xoospace.com/myspace/graphics/19565.gif
just*raidin*tomb
21-08-08, 20:12
*ahem*
view my signature.
Is that a coincidence? :pi:
I'd rather be made fun of how I play than not to have played the game at all. I'm jealous! :cln::p
takamotosan
21-08-08, 20:14
Is that a coincidence? :pi:
I'd rather be made fun of how I play than not to have played the game at all. I'm jealous! :cln::p
"There's a fine line between coincidence and irony..."
:p
just*raidin*tomb
21-08-08, 20:23
"There's a fine line between coincidence and irony..."
:p
:vlol: That doesn't answer the question.:p
takamotosan
21-08-08, 20:26
:vlol: That doesn't answer the question.:p
it's where i drew my inspiration, yes :p
Polinio Croft
21-08-08, 21:58
Guys!!! if the demo has the length of what we've seen on these videos it'll be a 2:30 long!... at least for me exploring the whole piece!!!
I couldn't load this earlier - but OMG! I was wrong - she does run into walls! :yah: :jmp: Another point for CD.
GoldenCobra
21-08-08, 22:25
Very nice. Love color and dynamics. But that gamer so noob :tea:
Guy playing it sucks. :vlol:
No_more_bullets
21-08-08, 22:33
Amazing.
Crystal are awesome. All her moves are smooth and logical. She puts her hands up when she bumps into walls, she leans foreward whilst still running when landing after a running jump, love the foilage brushing and the running animation is perfect, when she hits a wall when rope swinging, she runs along it (another vid) she can swing on horizontal poles lengthways along the pole, the free climbing is great, to all the complainers-how exactly could it be free-er? She can move in any direction whatsoever) I love how she steps up onto a ledge with her back to it to gain a bit of extra height, i'm not going on but basicaly there's A LOT of ungratefull whiners out there today. I'm impressed anyway, and i'm not always.
No_more_bullets
21-08-08, 22:41
Oh, my sides. I'm aching, I'm laughing so much!
Everything I predicted is coming true: half the features they promised us have either been changed or don't exist. Well, I hate to say I told you so.
TRU is just a rehash of the previous games. Where's the innovation? I haven't see any much so far. This was supposed to be a next-gen experience, not just a slightly better looking version of TRL/TRA.
We were supposed to be excited by the trailers, not seriously underwhelmed.
Crystal and Eidos: FAIL.
*cough* impossible standards *cough*
Crystal girl
21-08-08, 22:42
Guy playing it sucks. :vlol:
:vlol: So true!
EmeraldFields
21-08-08, 22:45
... half the features they promised us have either been changed or don't exist. Well, I hate to say I told you so.
TRU is just a rehash of the previous games...
We were supposed to be excited by the trailers, not seriously underwhelmed.
Crystal and Eidos: FAIL.
Like a dagger through the heart!:(
*cough* impossible standards *cough*
Not at all. Based on what we have seen today, with as objective an eye as I could possibly muster, I could not see anything innovative in that gameplay trailer. It is exactly the same as TRA and TRL.
I can understand wanting to keep back the good stuff, to give us surprises when we play the game -- and I'm thankful for that -- but they also need to show something new to convince is this isn't just the same last two games with prettier graphics.
Not at all. Based on what we have seen today, with as objective an eye as I could possibly muster, I could not see anything innovative in that gameplay trailer. It is exactly the same as TRA and TRL.
I can understand wanting to keep back the good stuff, to give us surprises when we play the game -- and I'm thankful for that -- but they also need to show something new to convince is this isn't just the same last two games with prettier graphics.
What are you expecting? Lara to run on ceilings and perform boogie moves? Crystal have a working engine, with great controls which are good to use and fun. i dont see why they should completely reinvent the scheme! Tomb raider 1-6 used an almost identical system while simply adding new moves, and no-one complained until the end. i don't get what everyone is expecting! we have tonnes of new moves and a new graphics engine, so whats the problem exactly?
Wow, the environments look beautiful as does Lara!:D
Wow, the environments look beautiful as does Lara!:D
Have you seen McGloomy's pic of Lara posing? :D
You know what? After today, I think I've actually seen enough gameplay. I'll watch a few more vignettes, but nothing like these constant few minutes of gameplay. It's too much. Knowing me, I'll probably have memoriesed the layout by November if I watch anymore Thailand!
Funny watching the player stumble about where I could see to go next! :p But I like how open it feels. :tmb: I saw splashes for gun fire! :jmp:
You know what? After today, I think I've actually seen enough gameplay. I'll watch a few more vignettes, but nothing like these constant few minutes of gameplay. It's too much. Knowing me, I'll probably have memoriesed the layout by November if I watch anymore Thailand!
Lol I thought exactly the same, I've seen enough to make me want to play the game, so I'll not watch anymore.
What are you expecting? ... i don't get what everyone is expecting! we have tonnes of new moves and a new graphics engine, so whats the problem exactly?
The problem is that Crystal have claimed that they built a brand new engine for this game. Not just a new renderer, a whole new game engine. Yet this 'new' engine looks and plays exactly the same as TRL with the same animation problems, them same camera flaws and what looks like the same limitations.
Now pardon me, but saying they had a new engine got me excited to think that the problems of old would be gone. As they clearly aren't, I am very disappointed. I also suspect the claim of a 'new' engine is probably stretching the truth somewhat.
Now, is that OK by you, or do I have to justify myself some more?
Have you seen McGloomy's pic of Lara posing? :D
You know what? After today, I think I've actually seen enough gameplay. I'll watch a few more vignettes, but nothing like these constant few minutes of gameplay. It's too much. Knowing me, I'll probably have memoriesed the layout by November if I watch anymore Thailand!
Ditto!I'll only watch the official trailers and vignettes from now on,and the screenshots.I don't want to know half of the game before I even played it like it happened with Anniversary.:)
The problem is that Crystal have claimed that they built a brand new engine for this game. Not just a new renderer, a whole new game engine. Yet this 'new' engine looks and plays exactly the same as TRL with the same animation problems, them same camera flaws and what looks like the same limitations.
Now pardon me, but saying they had a new engine got me excited to think that the problems of old would be gone. As they clearly aren't, I am very disappointed. I also suspect the claim of a 'new' engine is probably stretching the truth somewhat.
Now, is that OK by you, or do I have to justify myself some more?
What specific resemblances do you see between TRU's engine and the engines used for TRL and TRA?
The problem is that Crystal have claimed that they built a brand new engine for this game. Not just a new renderer, a whole new game engine. Yet this 'new' engine looks and plays exactly the same as TRL with the same animation problems, them same camera flaws and what looks like the same limitations.
Now pardon me, but saying they had a new engine got me excited to think that the problems of old would be gone. As they clearly aren't, I am very disappointed. I also suspect the claim of a 'new' engine is probably stretching the truth somewhat.
Now, is that OK by you, or do I have to justify myself some more?
Well sorry, your majesty, i'm just getting fed up with people (yourself included) judging the game by some short snippets. And as far as i can see, the engine is completely different, the only thing being kept of course are similar controls. But whats the problem with this? In legend and anni the controls were perfect, so like ive said, why should they go about completely changing them????
I don't expect them to re-invent the wheel here gambit. And with pretty much the same move set with some tweaks and additions, the movement will look very similar to TRL and TRA. The graphics do look better. But the gameplay seems very familiar. And I am sure that is on purpose for those that have played the previous TR's to just jump in and continue.
What specific resemblances do you see between TRU's engine and the engines used for TRL and TRA?
You really don't see the similarities? The same problems with bizarre squirrel jumps, jerky animations, lack of animation transitions, absurdly confusing camera angles? I posted some notes about it here:
http://www.tombraiderforums.com/showpost.php?p=2987798&postcount=31
Well sorry, your majesty, i'm just getting fed up with people (yourself included) judging the game by some short snippets. And as far as i can see, the engine is completely different, the only thing being kept of course are similar controls. But whats the problem with this? In legend and anni the controls were perfect, so like ive said, why should they go about completely changing them????
Is it possible for you to have a proper discussion without throwing around cheap shots?
As for TRA/TRL controls being perfect, I am sure there are plenty of other people who agree with you. I however, do not.
My complaint is with Crystal's assertion that they built a brand new engine "from the ground up". If that were the case, why does it have all the same problems as the TRL/TRA engine? It just doesn't make any sense.
I guess this is a situation where people's reaction is defined by their expectations.
You really don't see the similarities? The same problems with bizarre squirrel jumps, jerky animations, lack of animation transitions, absurdly confusing camera angles? I posted some notes about it here:
http://www.tombraiderforums.com/showpost.php?p=2987798&postcount=31
Is it possible for you to have a proper discussion without throwing around cheap shots?
As for TRA/TRL controls being perfect, I am sure there are plenty of other people who agree with you. I however, do not.
My complaint is with Crystal's assertion that they built a brand new engine "from the ground up". If that were the case, why does it have all the same problems as the TRL/TRA engine? It just doesn't make any sense.
Cheap shots? I was just responding in a tone to suit yours
Now, is that OK by you, or do I have to justify myself some more?
I would agree that the legend controls aren't completely perfect, i was just trying to make a point! However, it is clear that the engine has been re-built, i just dont understand what everyone is expecting to see? It has already been said that the jerky animations etc. will be sorted by release, and the fact that the movement and for the most part physics look different to legend and anni, i don't see what is so similar between them. There are only a certain number of ways that something can be done- would you like to see lara running around waving her arms about, just to see a difference?
Ward Dragon
21-08-08, 23:52
What specific resemblances do you see between TRU's engine and the engines used for TRL and TRA?
Eric Lindstrom admitted in an interview that it's the next-gen Legend engine with some changes added onto it.
Here's Lindstrom's quote from the video interview (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uD45xfs2L3Q) referring to TRL:
This is that engine but we built on top of it. We couldn't do it from scratch. We had to do a combination of all of that existing technology and physics and then add a rendering engine and all those little details we need.
It starts at about 4:50 into the interview. So basically when you hear a developer say "we built the game from the ground up" it's not always true. Not limiting this to Crystal Dynamics as many developers like Electronic Arts try to pull the wool over the gamer's eyes.
Eric Lindstrom admitted in an interview that it's the next-gen Legend engine with some changes added onto it.
I guess they tried building a new engine at first but either that failed or they ran out of time. Looks like you were right, Mr.Gambit.
takamotosan
21-08-08, 23:59
Eric Lindstrom admitted in an interview that it's the next-gen Legend engine with some changes added onto it.
i thought as much... :pi:
I guess this is a situation where people's reaction is defined by their expectations.
Heh heh, well it's gonna confuse you when I say I've always had low expectations for TRU.
It has already been said that the jerky animations etc. will be sorted by release
Why do you (and hundreds of other people who are saying the same thing) have so much faith that these things will "be fixed when the game is released". These problems were in TRL and TRA and were not fixed when the games were released, and afterwards hundreds of threads were created bemoaning Lara's insane animations and skittish behaviour. Did memory retention just drop sharply in the last year?
Eric Lindstrom admitted in an interview that it's the next-gen Legend engine with some changes added onto it.
Thought as much. Thanks for the evidence. I thought it was suspicious.
Why do you (and hundreds of other people who are saying the same thing) have so much faith that these things will "be fixed when the game is released". These problems were in TRL and TRA and were not fixed when the games were released, and afterwards hundreds of threads were created bemoaning Lara's insane animations and skittish behaviour. Did memory retention just drop sharply in the last year?
I don't have 100% faith that they will fix it, but there's still time. i was just saying that it's unfair to judge the game like this, when its likely they will fix the animations due to all the negative attention it has drawn. I mean, we have already seen improvements.
LaraCablara
22-08-08, 00:17
It looks very nice, less bright then Uncharted, but thats not a bad thing. Im sure they will sort things out before release (the most obvious ones).
The problem is that Crystal have claimed that they built a brand new engine for this game. Not just a new renderer, a whole new game engine. Yet this 'new' engine looks and plays exactly the same as TRL with the same animation problems, them same camera flaws and what looks like the same limitations.
Now pardon me, but saying they had a new engine got me excited to think that the problems of old would be gone. As they clearly aren't, I am very disappointed. I also suspect the claim of a 'new' engine is probably stretching the truth somewhat.
Now, is that OK by you, or do I have to justify myself some more?
Ive been reading your posts in other threads, and I really think that you will never be satisfied with Crystal Dynamics's work, I'm sure I'm not the only one that thinks this.
I don't have 100% faith that they will fix it, but there's still time. i was just saying that it's unfair to judge the game like this, when its likely they will fix the animations due to all the negative attention it has drawn. I mean, we have already seen improvements.
This is where we disagree. I think it's entirely fair to judge the game in the state we've seen it in these trailers, especially as this is CDs third attempt at TR and problems that were identified by the fans in TRL are still being displayed in TRU (not surprising, given the revelation that it is in fact the same engine.)
I strongly suggest that if you are one of the people who didn't like the camera and controls of TRL/TRA, you should be very cautious about buying this game -- it will play and feel exactly the same. This is enough for me to know I'm going to hate it and I definitely will not be purchasing it now.
Ive been reading your posts in other threads, and I really think that you will never be satisfied with Crystal Dynamics's work, I'm sure I'm not the only one that thinks this.
I'd be satisfied if they stop lying to us and simply deliver what they promised. It's as simple as that.
This is where we disagree. I think it's entirely fair to judge the game in the state we've seen it in these trailers, especially as this is CDs third attempt at TR and problems that were identified by the fans in TRL are still being displayed in TRU (not surprising, given the revelation that it is in fact the same engine.)
I strongly suggest that if you are one of the people who didn't like the camera and controls of TRL/TRA, you should be very cautious about buying this game -- it will play and feel exactly the same. This is enough for me to know I'm going to hate it and I definitely will not be purchasing it now.
Then it all comes down to opinion again doesn't it? If you don't like the current control system, then simply don't play the game. as harsh as it sounds crystal can't specifically tailor the game for your own needs. I personally love the controls in legend and anni, and have had no problems with the camera system whatsoever.
crystal are appealing to everyone- they are trying to please the fans by making the game bigger and more diverse, and even making lara more the woman we want her to be. at the same time they are making the game more accessible with the help on demand system. frankly, i would never use this system, but it wouldn't stop me from buying the game, i mean aod had awful controls yet i still bought it, it just depends on what you are willing to play.
If you don't like the current control system, then simply don't play the game.
Indeed, which is why I warned other players who feel the same way about the controls as I do. If you buy TRU knowing that it will play the same as a game you didn't like, you can't blame Crystal for that. This is why it was important for me to uncover the truth behind the engine.
Little-Lara
22-08-08, 01:37
Massive SPOILAGE indeed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Did anyone notice she brushes the foliage away from her face? :D so cool
Hm at the right in the information it said PS3.
Is it really a PS3 trailer? There are sometimes those yellow circles appearing when Lara does something with her hands - they look like the A, B etc... controller button prompts from Xbox. Unless maybe they are the new tips/help features that you can choose to activate/deactivate from the setup menu.
me likes it(sorry-im undeniably late for it all, gettin caught up and what not)
*laralover*
22-08-08, 16:38
Is it really a PS3 trailer? There are sometimes those yellow circles appearing when Lara does something with her hands - they look like the A, B etc... controller button prompts from Xbox. Unless maybe they are the new tips/help features that you can choose to activate/deactivate from the setup menu.
Yeah i saw that too after rewatching so i think it is Xbox360.
Melonie Tomb Raider
22-08-08, 16:55
Massive SPOILAGE indeed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Did anyone notice she brushes the foliage away from her face? :D so cool
It definitely is a cool feature, but way too jerky and fast. Brushing foliage away doesn't require a quick spat as if you've got a bug flying aorund your head. :vlol:
Tthe Spirit
22-08-08, 17:05
hey..
sorry to ask..
is this spoilerish..
or is it ok to watch...?
Spoilerish= puzzle solving... hints...
or just walking somewhere and shotting...
silver_wolf
22-08-08, 18:43
it's not spoilerish unless you don't want to know where some enemies come from. No puzzles or anything.
I hate her deaths, her scream and blackouts...
I told myself I wasn't gonna comment on anything Underworld until it came out, but I hate complainers. I think ppl need to relax, it's video recorded footage of a playable Demo in Beta form 3 months before release! Going on experience, I think they're using Legend/Anniversary animations purposely for the demo. Bcuz in the Legend demo certain things played out differently in the finished game.
And it's not like Crystal is gonna make another TR game with a completely different engine or gameplay as Legend/Anniversary! I mean, why would they? I mean aside from fixing things like swimming and adding some free climbing and perhaps tweaking the camera a bit, why change everything else Lara does like running, jumping, platforming?
For anyone who absolutely hated Legend or Anniversary or the controls/gameplay/camera etc., why would u even look forward to another Tomb Raider game if you knew it was being made by the same ppl??? Just doesn't make sense to me. I guess some ppl will never be fully satisfied.
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