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EmeraldFields
21-08-08, 22:23
Another trajedy:(

A student is dead after a shooting at a Tennessee high school this morning.

Knoxville police say a 16-year-old student was shot in the cafeteria at Central High School. The victim later died at the University of Tennessee Medical Center.

The student's name was identified as Ryan McDonald.

Police arrested his alleged killer shortly after the shooting a few blocks away from the school.

The police stress this was not a random act, and that both of them knew each other.

Why do kids do this knd of stuff!:(

http://www.kxan.com/Global/story.asp?S=8878930

Seb_01225
21-08-08, 22:32
aww this is so sad.
what possessed the person to use a gun? silly, and so sad!

oocladableeblah
21-08-08, 22:37
Another trajedy:(



Why do kids do this knd of stuff!:(

http://www.kxan.com/Global/story.asp?S=8878930
:(
A twisted mind
Having some issues at home
Stress?
A joke maybe he was playing on his friend that went wrong (although this one I doubt)
There are lots of reasons why, these things suck and make you feel un safe at school. Do other countries go through this I never hear of school shootings in countries other than the us. Can't imagine how the parents must feel especially since the victim and criminal knew each other.

rickybazire
21-08-08, 22:45
Just welcome yourselves to the crime-infested and depressed hole called 'Earth'.

Mad Tony
21-08-08, 22:48
Just welcome yourselves to the crime-infested and depressed hole called 'Earth'.Can you please not turn this into another "let's all bash humankind" thread.

My condolences to the victim's family. :(

rickybazire
21-08-08, 22:52
Can you please not turn this into another "let's all bash humankind" thread.

My condolences to the victim's family. :(

Sorry, you're right.

Condolences to them too. It's a shame these things happen.

Death Mask
21-08-08, 23:03
OMG! That's my roomate's name.

violentblossom
21-08-08, 23:44
This is definately not anti-humanity.. as i believe fully in the good of this world.


I think that when really disturbed kids/teenagers are really hurting, they tend to find the most affecting and attention grabbing way possible to let known their feelings.

They will eiether: hurt the people who hurt them, or hurt people that remind them of their tormentors, or both.. i think that in the end, when it all boils down, they really just want the recognition, more so even, than revenge.. they want to be remembered, and i think it is absolutely heartbreaking and shocking how quickly these school shootings became a trend.

The victims' legacies get lost in these events, because it happens all too often.. how very sad.

Best wishes to the victim's family.

rowanlim
22-08-08, 00:40
That's so tragic. I really cannot understand the world these days. Now we have kids shooting up the school & crap like that.

I hope the victims' families will recover as much as they can from this :(

Bullethail
22-08-08, 01:45
I don't know what sadder, the incident itself or the almost certain harping Jack Thompson and crew are going to be doing. :(

tranniversary119
22-08-08, 01:48
Very Sad :( I'm terrified to go back to school.

amiro1989
22-08-08, 02:14
Sad. :(

R.I.P.

Encore
22-08-08, 02:27
This is definately not anti-humanity.. as i believe fully in the good of this world.


I think that when really disturbed kids/teenagers are really hurting, they tend to find the most affecting and attention grabbing way possible to let known their feelings.


Teenagers don't have the rational portion of the brain fully developed which is why they have a lot more trouble controlling their emotions. Cases like this are an example of that, only driven to extremes. It's a really disturbing reality and I'm afraid no one really knows how to deal with it so not much is being said and done about it. :(
One thing's for sure, the accessibility of weapons is a major factor.

Indiana Croft
22-08-08, 02:31
Things like this not only make me disgusted with humanity, but afraid to enter my freaking school:hea: What is wrong with people?

Benguitar
22-08-08, 02:55
I actually understand what the shooter has felt.

Because I know what it is like to hate someone so much and be in such a rage that you actually want to kill them

I have not killed anyone but I know what it feels like to want to kill someone and I understand what they feel.

violentblossom
22-08-08, 03:06
Teenagers don't have the rational portion of the brain fully developed which is why they have a lot more trouble controlling their emotions. Cases like this are an example of that, only driven to extremes. It's a really disturbing reality and I'm afraid no one really knows how to deal with it so not much is being said and done about it. :(
One thing's for sure, the accessibility of weapons is a major factor.

i was going off of experience.. i was a very depressed teen (though i never wanted to killing anyone), and i know how angry and sad thoughts can really saturate and overwhelm the mind. I was able to keep my temper in check though.. i was rational enough to not do things like this. Teenagers are quite capable of alot.. i think hormones also play a huge part. That, and peers can be VERY mean.. coming into yourself, its easy to be self concious, and easy for others to prey off of that.

xMiSsCrOfTx
22-08-08, 04:04
Teenagers don't have the rational portion of the brain fully developed which is why they have a lot more trouble controlling their emotions. Cases like this are an example of that, only driven to extremes. It's a really disturbing reality and I'm afraid no one really knows how to deal with it so not much is being said and done about it. :(
One thing's for sure, the accessibility of weapons is a major factor.

There are plenty of violent people who are adults who also aren't exactly rational or able to control their emotions/actions.

This is sad news. :( I was in that area just about a week and a half ago, too. It's also sad that this makes other kids afraid to set foot into school, a place they're supposed to feel safe. I too have always feared something like this happening at my school though.

Goose
22-08-08, 06:31
i was going off of experience.. i was a very depressed teen (though i never wanted to killing anyone), and i know how angry and sad thoughts can really saturate and overwhelm the mind. I was able to keep my temper in check though.. i was rational enough to not do things like this. Teenagers are quite capable of alot.. i think hormones also play a huge part. That, and peers can be VERY mean.. coming into yourself, its easy to be self concious, and easy for others to prey off of that.

I never understood all that, the depressed teen thing, when i was 14 my dad dropped dead of a heart attack, certainly was a wake up call for me. After that i guess i skipped the whole angst ridden teen act, because it drew me closer with my family. I personally believe its society for the most part, and doesnt need councelling or anything similar to deal with it, just maybe military service.

Were your Grandparents or Great Grandparents Angst ridden teens when they were at the Somme or Dunkirk?

Lara's Backpack
22-08-08, 07:55
... sigh. Here we go again.

What is wrong with America?

Fortune&Glory
22-08-08, 08:13
Another trajedy:(



Why do kids do this knd of stuff!:(

http://www.kxan.com/Global/story.asp?S=8878930

He was either crazy or he was just another moronic kid who listened to rap music.

Goose
22-08-08, 09:00
... sigh. Here we go again.

What is wrong with America?

It seems to happen yearly.

Its like that place in Briton where teens were killing themselves. Must have been about 16 of them, some didnt even know each other.

Naomichi
22-08-08, 09:02
I believe you mean Bridgend.

Goose
22-08-08, 09:14
I believe you mean Bridgend.

Thats right, in wales or somwhere. Its not the first case either supposedly.

ajrich17901
22-08-08, 10:58
... sigh. Here we go again.

What is wrong with America?

America? dont u mean the people in america?;)

clw
22-08-08, 11:04
most people in this world have no fear or respect of others

Mad Tony
22-08-08, 11:22
... sigh. Here we go again.

What is wrong with America?Or an even better question, what's wrong with teenagers in general? Over here in the UK, teenagers are constantly getting stabbed by other teenagers. I'm not saying all teenagers are bad, because that's not true. I'm just saying there are a dangerously high amount of teenagers going out murdering people.

Things like this not only make me disgusted with humanity, but afraid to enter my freaking school:hea: What is wrong with people?Why should the actions of one person make you disgusted with the whole of humanity?

Goose
22-08-08, 12:45
"Or an even better question, what's wrong with teenagers in general? Over here in the UK, teenagers are constantly getting stabbed by other teenagers. I'm not saying all teenagers are bad, because that's not true. I'm just saying there are a dangerously high amount of teenagers going out murdering people."

They claim its because of 'economic circumstances' that they act like that, but really they lack discipline and repsect for others, like there parents did before them. I used to work for the railway, when ticket inspectors (i wasnt one) used to go to Pekham Rhy they needed a police escort.

Theres a lot of hatred against Britain from different communities.

Elysia
22-08-08, 12:57
"Or an even better question, what's wrong with teenagers in general? Over here in the UK, teenagers are constantly getting stabbed by other teenagers. I'm not saying all teenagers are bad, because that's not true. I'm just saying there are a dangerously high amount of teenagers going out murdering people."

They claim its because of 'economic circumstances' that they act like that, but really they lack discipline and repsect for others, like there parents did before them. I used to work for the railway, when ticket inspectors (i wasnt one) used to go to Pekham Rhy they needed a police escort.

Theres a lot of hatred against Britain from different communities.
No they're not - I did a study into this with my Year 10 group last year, and statistically, all that has changed is the amount of media hype surrounding the incidents. We live in a culture of fear where we are led to believe that every teenager is out to stab you, every street corner hides a paedophile or rapist and every single stranger is a danger when the truth of the matter is that our streets are no more dangerous than they were 20/30 years ago - the only difference is our 24 hour news culture and their penchant for the dramatic. I work with teenagers (I'm a teacher in an inner city school) and I can tell you quite conclusively that the vast majority of my kids are perfectly reasonable, nice and productive members of society - we have a few bad apples, yes, but that has always been the case. Taking into account ex-pupils and my old schools, I know a good few thousand teenagers, and not one of them has ever stabbed anyone to my knowledge... this 'dangerously high number of teenagers going out murdering people' is, to put it bluntly, poppycock. Yes, they may be gobby. They may be disrespectful to strangers and to each other at times. They may want to talk to their friends more than pay attention to me in lessons and get uppity when I have to reprimand them. But murder?! Give me a break!

To quote the Breakfast Club, a film made nearly 25 years ago on the subject of teenagers: "The kids haven't changed, Vern - you have".

Goose
22-08-08, 13:06
Well it does depend on where you live, how well does your school score compared to a school around stretham during Ofsted inspections?

I certainly do think teenagers have changed from those that were around in the past. I mean a little over 100 years ago an 18 year old was an adult, working the farm, boarding boats with his comrades to seek out new places in the ever expanding empire, down the mines and other things teens now would never dream of doing, and probably are'nt mature enough to do if given the chance.

Elysia
22-08-08, 13:20
I teach in Portsmouth, often referred to as 'Little London' and considered one of the more violent cities in the UK - we have some of the highest rates of teenage pregnancies, domestic violence and GBH cases in the country.

The only thing that I can see that has changed is the lack of parental control and support kids get nowadays. No point blaming the kids - they are only reacting to the way they have been brought up. You really want someone to blame? Look to the parents (and the government, for taking away a large chunk of the authority adults have over kids) - the 'older' generation (my generation, ironically... people in their 30's and 40's) that are currently whining. No point whining about the fact that your kiddy is a hooligan when you never set clear boundaries when they were younger. I see it every day - those who get into trouble have parents who don't give a toss; simple as, really. Parents who want to blame society rather than look into the fact that they never had time for their kids, never wanted to go through the hassle of disciplining them properly and decided that just alternately screaming at them and bribing them with sweets did the job just as well. I speak to parents who, when their little darlings are 11, point blank refuse to listen to me when I ring up and tell them that their kiddy is misbehaving in class and point blank refuse to do anything about it (because it's not them, it's their friends / someone else / high spirits / me), and then a few years down the line, when that 11 year old has turned into a sullen, disrespectful, in trouble with the law 14 year old, they then turn to the school and complain that we've done nothing to help them, and that it's all our fault...

violentblossom
23-08-08, 06:28
I never understood all that, the depressed teen thing, when i was 14 my dad dropped dead of a heart attack, certainly was a wake up call for me. After that i guess i skipped the whole angst ridden teen act, because it drew me closer with my family. I personally believe its society for the most part, and doesnt need councelling or anything similar to deal with it, just maybe military service.

Were your Grandparents or Great Grandparents Angst ridden teens when they were at the Somme or Dunkirk?

Excuse me?

I went through alot of traumatic things.. none of which i will discuss here because it is all very personal.

Its fine that you dont understand the whole teen angst thing, if you didn't go through it, then whatever, but there was no need to sound condescending.

You can't blame society for everything.. depressed teen or not, that was something i never did.

Goose
23-08-08, 06:56
Excuse me?

I went through alot of traumatic things.. none of which i will discuss here because it is all very personal.

Its fine that you dont understand the whole teen angst thing, if you didn't go through it, then whatever, but there was no need to sound condescending.

You can't blame society for everything.. depressed teen or not, that was something i never did.

Well i didnt mean to sound condescending, all i said was, my problems were very bland compered to my past family, in that frame of mind you realise things are not as bad as they seem. I found that there is nothing worse then having somone you love die, afterwards things paled in compraison so i had little to complain about.

violentblossom
23-08-08, 06:59
Well i didnt mean to sound condescending, all i said was, my problems were very bland compered to my past family, in that frame of mind you realise things are not as bad as they seem. I found that there is nothing worse then having somone you love die, afterwards things paled in compraison so i had little to complain about.

yes.. i was referring to the grandparent thing, actually. what were you asking?

i am sorry if i took your statement wrong, my teenage years were kind of hard on me, and i can get defensive about my past.

my father also has passed away... in fact, 4 years ago today.

i was also abused, to say the least, but i'm afraid that's all i'd like to share.

Goose
23-08-08, 07:07
yes.. i was referring to the grandparent thing, actually. what were you asking?

i am sorry if i took your statement wrong, my teenage years were kind of hard on me, and i can get defensive about my past.

my father also has passed away... in fact, 4 years ago today.

i was also abused, to say the least, but i'm afraid that's all i'd like to share.

Thats more then most people share, i think i understand what you mean, after a parent passes away your at the most vulnerable state you ever will be in your whole life for quite some time, so that must have made it extremely tough, it would have for me.

The grandparent thing was about me, my grandfather was in World War 2 when he was young, my Great Grand father in World War 1, they had a much tougher life then i could have imagined. So i guess its inspiration to stay positive, there was'nt time for them to live like a teen does today, alot of people in there positions didnt get the chance to live at all.

violentblossom
23-08-08, 07:24
Thats more then most people share, i think i understand what you mean, after a parent passes away your at the most vulnerable state you ever will be in your whole life for quite some time, so that must have made it extremely tough, it would have for me.

The grandparent thing was about me, my grandfather was in World War 2 when he was young, my Great Grand father in World War 1, they had a much tougher life then i could have imagined. So i guess its inspiration to stay positive, there was'nt time for them to live like a teen does today, alot of people in there positions didnt get the chance to live at all.

Okay, well back to the grandparent thing..

Mine were living in Mexico and facing their own obstacles and troubles. Even today, my grandmother deals with social discrimination and racism. :-\ I cannot say if they were or werent depressed teens.. but everyone deals with angst at some point.