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Crayons
27-08-08, 03:15
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This is really interesting. :jmp:
.. and to think these cigarettes come in such large amounts..

kooky
27-08-08, 03:18
I saw this video a while ago, I have always encourage my mom to quit smoking... :(

Geck-o-Lizard
27-08-08, 03:20
Bookmarked :tmb:

spikejones
27-08-08, 03:21
not surprising in the least. reminds me of when i used to smoke weed in a water bong though. :(

Twilight
27-08-08, 03:22
interesting experiement. the result is still somewhat obvious, but visuals can be encouraging to make someone stop.

Hairhelmet12
27-08-08, 03:24
EWW, thats gross i can beleave that that is from just 400 of thos cancer sticks! thats is just nasty, crazy how companies make money off of people dieing

Olvidarse
27-08-08, 05:52
I like how in the related videos a man sets a Guinness World Record for smoking 154 cigarettes all at once.

Death Mask
27-08-08, 06:02
Sick! I really can't understand why people smoke...

Fallen.Angel
27-08-08, 06:09
Wow. Thank goodness I'm not a smoker.

Goose
27-08-08, 06:45
Iv never heard of those brands before, they must be pretty cheap if he can buy that many just to waste.

I bet his house still stinks to this day.

"very sticky and bitter", does that mean he ate some!?

Death Mask
27-08-08, 07:05
I wonder how that water tastes like right before he boiled it.

Goose
27-08-08, 07:07
I wonder how that water tastes like right before he boiled it.

Sticky and bitter, according to him.

Naomichi
27-08-08, 07:17
Ehh.. Smoking still makes you look cool.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v205/punchurclockin/bender-smoking.jpg

Elysia
27-08-08, 07:57
We used to do a similar experiment as a demonstration in science when I taught the subject - rather than bubbling the smoke through water, you can pass it through damp cotton wool to the same effect, and after just a couple of cigarettes, the cotton wool is stained yellow - it's quite horrible...

toxicraider
27-08-08, 08:06
We did that at school, it's mank :)

^^
yup I did the same.

I wonder how that water tastes like right before he boiled it.

Carcinogenic ;)

MiCkiZ88
27-08-08, 09:36
Ugh, never gonna smoke again thanks to that vid. Social smoker, but it still does damage. I will still eat tar candy though. :p

Naomichi
27-08-08, 10:05
With respect though surely this isn't actually news. You only have to look at the colour that the butts are once they're finished with.

ssiscool
27-08-08, 10:07
Thats why i hate smokers. it's just disgusting.

St4r
27-08-08, 10:28
Typical unrealistic propaganda stuff. No one would get that many out of one cigarette. Ever seen a liver after drinking alc? Much more horrible result, but that's the usual discrimination stuff I see every day now and am so tired of.

Mad Tony
27-08-08, 10:36
Thats why i hate smokers. it's just disgusting.But why do you hate all smokers? Noticed how a lot of elderly people smoke? That's because back when they were young smoking was actually made out to be good. It's only just recently that people have started to become more aware of the bad effects of smoking. What I don't get is why teenagers (people around my age) start smoking, when the health effects are known by virtually everyone. Smoking is strongly discouraged today yet a lot of people still start.

By the way, I'm not a smoker, and I never will be.

Elmer
27-08-08, 10:48
I saw this video a while ago, I have always encourage my mom to quit smoking... :(

Idem...:(
I'm going to show this Vid to her... But it won't help, I'm sure of that.

Kerrigan
27-08-08, 10:53
I've seen that video some time ago.While it didn't surprise me, the images are still prety disguting and I still continue to smoke.
And I think the anger-powered anti-smoking propaganda isn't efficient.When people go on on how they hate smokers, smokers are obviously triggered to defend their viewpoint even more fiercely.It is somehow similar to being tempted to do the things someone strongly forbids you.Instead, I think an objective atitude that only presents the disadvantages and dangers of this habit, without exaggerating, would be much better.It's not like people don't know about them, anyway, but this doesn't give reasons to maintain the hatred.

thanatos
27-08-08, 12:36
Typical unrealistic propaganda stuff. No one would get that many out of one cigarette. Ever seen a liver after drinking alc? Much more horrible result, but that's the usual discrimination stuff I see every day now and am so tired of.

I think everyone is just as much aware of how much liver damage you get from drinking alcohol! There is a difference though, if you only drink rarely it does very little damage.

This video though isn't about alcohol, it's about smoking and it's not saying you get loads from one but it is showing how much tar builds up after just 200 cigarettes, whether you smoke them all at once or over a month.

Elysia
27-08-08, 12:45
^^ Not only that, but unless you have a very big problem, you're unlikely to sit there and drink 10 cans of Special Brew each and every day, whereas a lot of smokers think nothing of sitting down and smoking 20+ ciggies in a day - and 20 ciggies a day (I packet) = 140 a week which in turn = over 400 a month... so, in a month, you have that much tar in your lungs, simple as that. It's not propaganda at all when you look at it that way - just stating simple facts.

Paperdoll
27-08-08, 12:55
^Not only that, aren't certain alcoholic drinks actually benefitial when they're had in moderate ammounts?

Thats why i hate smokers. it's just disgusting.

Aw how sweet. I bet they all hate you too.

Obscure
27-08-08, 13:06
^Not only that, aren't certain alcoholic drinks actually benefitial when they're had in moderate ammounts?


In moderate amounts, yes it can be quite beneficial. Not that I'd ever suggest drinking. My dad (who doesn't live with my family anymore) is an alcoholic and to be honest I'd rather him smoke all those cigarettes in that video than be an alcoholic.

My mum, stepdad and sister have all given up smoking for six months now :tmb: I'm surprised at how easy they all found it, after about two weeks they stopped craving it and everything. Now it just seems like a distant dream.

Endow
27-08-08, 13:49
But why do you hate all smokers? Noticed how a lot of elderly people smoke? That's because back when they were young smoking was actually made out to be good. It's only just recently that people have started to become more aware of the bad effects of smoking. What I don't get is why teenagers (people around my age) start smoking, when the health effects are known by virtually everyone. Smoking is strongly discouraged today yet a lot of people still start.

Maybe people are forgetting the fact smokers actually take pleasure in smoking. Some people are just more happy doing whatever they wish for a shorter period of time, than having to say "no" to temptation and the little pleasures, during a long life.

I've chosen self-preservation sometime ago but to me the use of all kind of drugs is the easiest thing to explain in this world. And as long as users don't step on others' toes I'm ok with it. It's their life, who am I to judge.


I think everyone is just as much aware of how much liver damage you get from drinking alcohol! There is a difference though, if you only drink rarely it does very little damage.

The same can be said for those who smoke rarely no?

This video though isn't about alcohol, it's about smoking and it's not saying you get loads from one but it is showing how much tar builds up after just 200 cigarettes, whether you smoke them all at once or over a month.

You know this for a fact? If John Doe stopped smoking 30 years ago, will he still have tar in his lungs today?

St4r
27-08-08, 16:44
^^ Not only that, but unless you have a very big problem, you're unlikely to sit there and drink 10 cans of Special Brew each and every day, whereas a lot of smokers think nothing of sitting down and smoking 20+ ciggies in a day - and 20 ciggies a day (I packet) = 140 a week which in turn = over 400 a month... so, in a month, you have that much tar in your lungs, simple as that. It's not propaganda at all when you look at it that way - just stating simple facts.

Not really. None would get that much tar out of a cigarette like the video shows, because nobody would or could consume it completely in one draw. You possibly get a tenth or less. Fact is, lung webbing (is it called like that?) rebuilds just like every other organic stuff and also doesn't keep every single bit of tar, making this experiment pretty unrealistic to compare to real smoking.

thanatos
27-08-08, 18:01
Maybe people are forgetting the fact smokers actually take pleasure in smoking. Some people are just more happy doing whatever they wish for a shorter period of time, than having to say "no" to temptation and the little pleasures, during a long life.

I've chosen self-preservation sometime ago but to me the use of all kind of drugs is the easiest thing to explain in this world. And as long as users don't step on others' toes I'm ok with it. It's their life, who am I to judge.



The same can be said for those who smoke rarely no?



You know this for a fact? If John Doe stopped smoking 30 years ago, will he still have tar in his lungs today?

Did I say 30 years or did I say a month? The lungs can actually repair themselves to a degree so good on John Doe for quitting, in 30 years time he'll be as fit as a fiddle.
No, you can't compare casual drinkers and casual smokers. For one alcohol isn't chemically addictive like cigeretes, the addiction comes for the assotion effect not cravings like nicotine, so someone who casally drinks isn't anywhere near as likely to get addicted as someone who "only smokes socially" (which has led to addiction in 100% of the people I know who did that themselves.) Also a little alcohol can be benificial (as mentioned above) whereas ALL smoking causes problems. Don't think i'm advocating either nightly pints or weekend binges though because alcohol still causes far more problems (physically and socially) than many other things in culture today.

I don't mind smokers, many of my friends smoke and as long as they are not harming anyone else they can do whatever the hell they please, i'll even go and stand in the ice cold british night air so they can go for one when we're out on the town, but people who are still in denial or ignorant about the effects of smoking astound me (a comment not directly aimed at you Endow btw).

Heckler
27-08-08, 19:14
I smoke like a chimney... about 21 cigs a day.....:o
*waits for the eeeewww gross bashing comments....

Well...i started that bad habit about 3 years ago....
I only smoke when I'm at work...
Ive never been addicted to it though...I seldomly smoke in weekends....
Ive gone two months at the most without smoking, didn't bother me one bit....
I NEVER smoke during dance season!...
I hate it though when people litter their damn ash all over the place!

tranniversary119
27-08-08, 19:55
Have never smoked are touched a cigarette and don't plan on it. Considering how many people smoke I'm proud of myself. I'm 15..

St4r
27-08-08, 20:12
I don't mind smokers, many of my friends smoke and as long as they are not harming anyone else they can do whatever the hell they please, i'll even go and stand in the ice cold british night air so they can go for one when we're out on the town, but people who are still in denial or ignorant about the effects of smoking astound me (a comment not directly aimed at you Endow btw).

I hear you. But honestly I think the effects of smoking are relatively harmless compared to effects of polluting cars, which many countries don't even care about, factories, planes and countless others.

Elysia
27-08-08, 20:43
Not really. None would get that much tar out of a cigarette like the video shows, because nobody would or could consume it completely in one draw. You possibly get a tenth or less. Fact is, lung webbing (is it called like that?) rebuilds just like every other organic stuff and also doesn't keep every single bit of tar, making this experiment pretty unrealistic to compare to real smoking.
You keep telling yourself that ;). And whilst you're at it, you can tell my Great Uncle who died of lung cancer and emphysema at the age of 62 after suffering for a good while beforehand - all caused by smoking (he was a gamekeeper by trade, and so had lots of lovely fresh country air and lots of good exercise - the only thing that killed him was his 40 a day habit). Lungs do regenerate to a certain degree, but not as quickly as some people like to believe - I think (this is off the top of my head - it's been a while since I taught science!) that it's something like it takes 5 years for your lungs to recover if you smoked 5-10 cigarettes for a year... and that's really only if you're young (although smoking in the very young is very, very damaging). Once your own metabolism and your body's ability to repair itself slows, the damage is more or less permanent (that 'lung webbing' are called alveoli - they are little 'air sacs' that are connected by little tubes called bronchioles that make up the lung). The main problem with smoking isn't actually the tar, though - it's all the nasty chemicals that are part of the cigarette cocktail - things like cyanide, formaldehyde, methanol and benzene.

Like Thantos, I am of the opinion that people can do what they like with their own bodies - it's up to them if they smoke or not, and I have nothing personal against them at all (apart from pregnant women who smoke and people who smoke around children - they make me want to punch them. Hard). But to try to deny that smoking is dangerous... that's something I do have a problem with (if you like, my brother, who is a doctor, has some really, really juicy pictures of lungs taken from people who smoked... they were enough to make me vow to never touch one again, I can tell you!). The advice surrounding anti-smoking isn't there because a bunch of killjoys want people to stop having fun - the truth is that smoking is bad for your health.

Also, go look up pictures of lungs - there are a lot of them about - a normal city dweller's lungs vs. a smoker's lungs. The city dweller has a few black spots due to pollution - the smoker's lungs are literally jet black. Yes, pollution is also bad for our health on the whole, but we don't directly introduce it into our bodies - there are barriers (simple air currents are enough to disperse the nasties in pollution), unlike cigarette smoke, which we deliberately inhale - common sense alone dictates that directly and actively introducing carcinogens and poisons into your body is going to be more harmful than passive intake; for example, simply put, if you sit in a room where people are smoking and then go and blow your nose, your nose is full of black rubbish, whereas if you sit in a garden with the same number of smokers smoking the same number of cigarettes, that won't happen.

Lew
27-08-08, 20:44
Thats why i hate smokers. it's just disgusting.

I hate you too :)

I don't smoke much, mainly because my parents both hate it and won't let me but I tend to smoke alot while drinking. However those are the weirdest cigarette packets I've ever seen.

thanatos
27-08-08, 21:17
I hear you. But honestly I think the effects of smoking are relatively harmless compared to effects of polluting cars, which many countries don't even care about, factories, planes and countless others.

Tell me about it, I used to live in Malaysia and there was a period where everyone went around wearing breathing masks because the smog was so bad (although that was casued mainly by burning forests in other countries rather than car pollution, but it's still all down to the great mankind.)

Really though, as far as pollution's concerned the govenment should pull there fingers out and address the real pollutors rather than taxing hard working indivduals over the problem (as if that ever solved any problem!) Industries and franchises dump more rubbish in a year than an individual manages in an average lifetime, yet we get fined if the bin lid is open slightly, despite now having to cram four peoples rubbish from the last two weeks into one small wheelie bin. Celebrities can create a bigger carbon footprint thanks to private jets and police escorts in ONE DAY than an individual can create in a YEAR! Then they go on about how they'll plant some trees to "offset the emmissions". Yeah, sorry Chris Martin, basic science dictates it doesn't quite work like that, oh and by the way I'm going to have to illegally download your new album i'm afraid since I can't afford to buy it now the council tax has gone up because apperently we don't recycle enough of our nail clippings.

Woah, WAY OFF TOPIC. sorry guys and gals

*laralover*
27-08-08, 22:19
That video is pretty gross :p Iv never smoked and never will i dont really see a need to. My mum smokes like mad though but she has done ever since my father passed away when i was 9 :S When she smokes i have to leave the room because i end up choking :o I say to her why she smokes and she says it relaxes her then i say but why smoke to relax? why not read or have a hot cup of tea? but then once people have smoked long its hard to quit. Saying this my friend smoked for many years then just one day decided to stop smoking and he did its all about the mind really.

EmeraldFields
27-08-08, 22:26
G r o s s!

xxitsxnadyaxx
28-08-08, 00:15
that was pretty sick

touchmyheart
28-08-08, 00:29
Goodness! That's really awful. Im not a smoker myself but I have several relatives that are. This vid's pretty scary in that respect :(

Endow
28-08-08, 00:38
Did I say 30 years or did I say a month? The lungs can actually repair themselves to a degree so good on John Doe for quitting, in 30 years time he'll be as fit as a fiddle.
No, you can't compare casual drinkers and casual smokers. For one alcohol isn't chemically addictive like cigeretes, the addiction comes for the assotion effect not cravings like nicotine, so someone who casally drinks isn't anywhere near as likely to get addicted as someone who "only smokes socially" (which has led to addiction in 100% of the people I know who did that themselves.) Also a little alcohol can be benificial (as mentioned above) whereas ALL smoking causes problems. Don't think i'm advocating either nightly pints or weekend binges though because alcohol still causes far more problems (physically and socially) than many other things in culture today.

I don't mind smokers, many of my friends smoke and as long as they are not harming anyone else they can do whatever the hell they please, i'll even go and stand in the ice cold british night air so they can go for one when we're out on the town, but people who are still in denial or ignorant about the effects of smoking astound me (a comment not directly aimed at you Endow btw).

My question was actually a sincere one. I have no idea how the lungs react to tar - if it takes months, years or decades to fully heal. Obviously I know it's very bad for one's health. As for the alcohol/nicotine comparison I think it's a fair one. Sure the addiction is of a different nature and there's nothing wrong with drinking once in a while. My point was that you don't get lung cancer from smoking once in a while either.

I'll agree that tobacco is a lot more addicting since I've been a smoker myself (even though I didn't smoke much), until sometime ago, but on the other hand it doesn't make you lose psychological control like alcohol can.

thecentaur
28-08-08, 01:46
smokers? ... :ohn:
-burning that many cigs in one place at that time? can anyone say secondhand smoking? :P j/k i'm sure there was some sort of ventilation :D
-my god i reallly don't like smokers coz they smell like hell (heh i learned the word hell in spanish earlier today, but that's off topic :P) smoking is like kissing the burnt used uncleaned end of a flamethrower dipped in a tar pit... ewww

:wve:
...

Encore
28-08-08, 01:50
i like how in the related videos a man sets a guinness world record for smoking 154 cigarettes all at once.

wtf!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Not As We
28-08-08, 01:55
I smoke when I drink,

which is usually once every one or two weeks,
but i dont puff on them like there's no tomorrow,

I usually have 2 or 3 in the entire night,
I don't know why I do it
and I couldn't explain,

It's just every-time I drink I crave a cigarette,
and I personally don't find anything wrong with it,

People do a lot worse to their bodies everyday

Lara Coft Baby
28-08-08, 02:09
I never planed on smoking but that surely makes me not wanna smoke EW!

thanatos
28-08-08, 08:39
My question was actually a sincere one. I have no idea how the lungs react to tar - if it takes months, years or decades to fully heal. Obviously I know it's very bad for one's health. As for the alcohol/nicotine comparison I think it's a fair one. Sure the addiction is of a different nature and there's nothing wrong with drinking once in a while. My point was that you don't get lung cancer from smoking once in a while either.

I'll agree that tobacco is a lot more addicting since I've been a smoker myself (even though I didn't smoke much), until sometime ago, but on the other hand it doesn't make you lose psychological control like alcohol can.

In that case I'm sorry, overreacted to your comment. It takes years for lungs to recover, but in theory lungs can return back to a completly healthy state given enough time. As far as psychological control is concerned it depends on what your smoking! :eek: But I agree drinking can actually be far more dangerous than smoking in those terms, especially if your having a heavy session near live train tracks for example...

St4r
29-08-08, 20:42
You keep telling yourself that ;). And whilst you're at it, you can tell my Great Uncle who died of lung cancer and emphysema at the age of 62 after suffering for a good while beforehand - all caused by smoking (he was a gamekeeper by trade, and so had lots of lovely fresh country air and lots of good exercise - the only thing that killed him was his 40 a day habit). Lungs do regenerate to a certain degree, but not as quickly as some people like to believe - I think (this is off the top of my head - it's been a while since I taught science!) that it's something like it takes 5 years for your lungs to recover if you smoked 5-10 cigarettes for a year... and that's really only if you're young (although smoking in the very young is very, very damaging). Once your own metabolism and your body's ability to repair itself slows, the damage is more or less permanent (that 'lung webbing' are called alveoli - they are little 'air sacs' that are connected by little tubes called bronchioles that make up the lung). The main problem with smoking isn't actually the tar, though - it's all the nasty chemicals that are part of the cigarette cocktail - things like cyanide, formaldehyde, methanol and benzene.

Like Thantos, I am of the opinion that people can do what they like with their own bodies - it's up to them if they smoke or not, and I have nothing personal against them at all (apart from pregnant women who smoke and people who smoke around children - they make me want to punch them. Hard). But to try to deny that smoking is dangerous... that's something I do have a problem with (if you like, my brother, who is a doctor, has some really, really juicy pictures of lungs taken from people who smoked... they were enough to make me vow to never touch one again, I can tell you!). The advice surrounding anti-smoking isn't there because a bunch of killjoys want people to stop having fun - the truth is that smoking is bad for your health.

Also, go look up pictures of lungs - there are a lot of them about - a normal city dweller's lungs vs. a smoker's lungs. The city dweller has a few black spots due to pollution - the smoker's lungs are literally jet black. Yes, pollution is also bad for our health on the whole, but we don't directly introduce it into our bodies - there are barriers (simple air currents are enough to disperse the nasties in pollution), unlike cigarette smoke, which we deliberately inhale - common sense alone dictates that directly and actively introducing carcinogens and poisons into your body is going to be more harmful than passive intake; for example, simply put, if you sit in a room where people are smoking and then go and blow your nose, your nose is full of black rubbish, whereas if you sit in a garden with the same number of smokers smoking the same number of cigarettes, that won't happen.

I don't deny smoking can be dangerous. I'm sorry for your uncle, sad thing that is. But as with many things you can't really tell if someone who smokes will get lung cancer or can't move without breathlessness after X years of smoking. A friend of mine got lung cancer after smoking 3-5 cigarettes a day for less than 2 years. I know someone who quit without a problem after 50 years of smoking. Concerning myself, I'm a smoker since about 15 years and according to pretty recent results my lungs are in nearly perfect shape. That's the point: nobody reacts like another.

As for smoking nowadays, beeing discriminated as a smoker is the thing that annoys me most, and if some politicians think about forbidding smoking even at your own flat, you really _can_ speak of discrimination. Smoking has a quite long tradition. In all those years it hasn't been such a topic like nowadays. But IMHO there're other topics of much more importance, like global warming, air & environment pollution, hunger and of course the estinction of many species. These are all things which definitely affect billions of people and possible successors for many, many years to come - our entire planet if you will. Compared to this, smoking seems pretty unimportant, but however is handled as a much more spicy issue. Things like those simply annoy me.