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Gladous
09-09-08, 01:45
I'm new here by the way. ;)



In videos we have seeen such as gameplay and trailers, it shows her running and walking. Her hair moves like its going 100 miles per hour. In the gameplay trailer she is walking to Thor's Tree slowly and her hair is in the air in a straight line. It annoys me.

Tombraiderx08
09-09-08, 01:46
i know!!!!!

croft94
09-09-08, 02:01
I hate the hair physics!! I wish that it would look like actual hair, u'know, like lines hanging down, not a lump of clothized whip cream! :vlol:


Well I guess its WAY better than Legend's xD

Tombraiderx08
09-09-08, 02:03
when running with a ponytail does it go back like that?! im not so sure it does (i dont have a pony tail or braid so dont ask me haha)

kthnxbai
09-09-08, 02:05
I think they should:

1) bring back the braid to make the hair physics less of a problem

2) shave her bald (which is my personal fav)

seriously though... so long as the rest of the game is good, I don't really care about the hair...If you look at the pre-alpha screenshots her hair was much worse than now, so maybe give them time and see how it is in the final game?

Tombraiderx08 : yeah it does...braids don't move as much...but ponytails certainly do

Tombraiderx08
09-09-08, 02:06
I think they should:

1) bring back the braid to make the hair physics less of a problem

2) shave her bald (which is my personal fav)

seriously though... so long as the rest of the game is good, I don't really care about the hair...If you look at the pre-alpha screenshots her hair was much worse than now, so maybe give them time and see how it is in the final game?
we dont need another britney...LEAVE LARA ALONE! PLEEEEASE!!! :ton:

MichaelK@NK
09-09-08, 02:08
IDK. I mean, I like that hairs movements. But I'm not sure I like the design of it. It looks kind of fake IMO.

Gladous
09-09-08, 02:09
we dont need another britney...LEAVE LARA ALONE! PLEEEEASE!!! :ton:


of course we do it wouldnt be a tomb raider forum with out it. :D

ivannnnn
09-09-08, 02:09
It's okay. We need a new invention. :D

Tombraiderx08
09-09-08, 02:14
It's okay. We need a new invention. :D
eh? well..... no it doesnt need a britney lmfao, but, yeah the ponytail should be more moveable than the braid but, thats a bit excessive it just flys all around.

kthnxbai
09-09-08, 02:22
Maybe it's always windy where Lara is...

Kinda like Mariah Carey...

Seriously...look at her vids....WIND MACHINE

Scia
09-09-08, 02:53
we dont need another britney...LEAVE LARA ALONE! PLEEEEASE!!! :ton:

LMAO :ton:

Quasimodo
09-09-08, 02:56
She uses it like a squirrel's tail to balance. See, there's a reason her hair is like that!

Death Mask
09-09-08, 02:57
The ponytail effects totally SUCK, but it's not big deal for me.

Feather Duster
09-09-08, 02:59
She uses it like a squirrel's tail to balance. See, there's a reason her hair is like that!

:vlol:

Fallen.Angel
09-09-08, 03:01
I agree. It's next-gen. Of course, I obviously WOULD NOT boycott it just because of it if :rolleyes: It's definitely not the biggest issue, and I wouldn't complain if it isn't fixed. But it's something I would love to see be more realistic.

If anything, they should have given her the braid. But again, not complaining. It'd just be especially nice to have it updated.

Isaac
09-09-08, 03:39
That's what we call complaining for details, which is a common practice here...

Come on guys, it's a game... I don't care if her ponytail isn't that realistic... I mean, it's just a game, everything doesn't need to be perfect. X_X

henry ze 4th
09-09-08, 03:51
That's what we call complaining for details, which is a common practice here...

Come on guys, it's a game... I don't care if her ponytail isn't that realistic... I mean, it's just a game, everything doesn't need to be perfect. X_X

I completely agree, but hair is a REALLY big deal in gaming right now. A lot of games which look beautiful have had horrific hair detailing (Dead or Alive 4 is a great example). It's incredible to look at where Final Fantasy XIII is going as far as realism is concerned:

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a72/limacat/Psp/final-fantasy-xiii-psp.jpg

rowanlim
09-09-08, 03:59
I honestly don't see what's wrong with her hair, it's moving fluidly, no? :p

aussie500
09-09-08, 04:14
Well it does not annoy me half as much as the hair in AOD did, but the pony tail does seem a bit light in weight the way it flies around. l am not going to spend any time worry about it though, at least it behaves like hair.

Death Mask
09-09-08, 04:16
At least it behaves like hair.

:confused: far from it...

ajrich17901
09-09-08, 04:35
:confused: far from it...

yea sometimes i think her hair has a mind of its own:whi:

jeffrey van oort
09-09-08, 04:39
lol.. are you seriously whining about hair? What.. isn't there anything better to rant about ?:D j/k
I think the hair isn't that much of a problem. At a close view and when from the water it sort of does look hot.

MattTR
09-09-08, 05:12
I really wish she had her braid back, but for some reason Crystal Dynamics seem to favor the ponytail.

I guess it's better then being too "stiff", but it's like she has a helicopter on her head. :o One day she will just fly away.

http://roblogger.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/01/hair-helicopter.jpg

Marianna12
09-09-08, 07:59
I like her hair now!

Drone
09-09-08, 08:06
ponytail don't get heavy after she gets outta water

Blue_light
09-09-08, 09:47
At last finally someone complains about Lara's hair

I hate it too, its too flowy

I Need A Map
09-09-08, 09:56
I think they should:

1) bring back the braid to make the hair physics less of a problem

2) shave her bald (which is my personal fav)


OR make her a wear a hat maybe?!:D

Woop Legend!
09-09-08, 10:20
I like it. I think it blows in the wind too, which is a GOOOD thing :)

lara_rocks
09-09-08, 10:27
bring back the braid!

nickless
09-09-08, 10:39
ponytail don't get heavy after she gets outta water

true.much more practical when swimming and getting out of the water.and easyer to fix (in the few times it get messed up).

but bout the walking thing i agree.it's like she has a feather insted of hair.

HaveFaith4Lara
09-09-08, 10:43
the physics make her hair look thin. and thats not good.

jaywalker
09-09-08, 10:48
Hm not sure if i should be happy that you're having to pick holes in the hair as your major complaints :)

Hair physics in game (ie NOT in a controlled cinematic or pre-rendered) is one of the holy grails of gaming i reckon. :)

interstellardave
09-09-08, 10:52
I can't think of a single game that has had really good hair physics. Not one. I'm sure a lot of folks want to get it right, but it's probably way down on the priority list--and probably way up on the difficulty list.

DA MAIN MAN
09-09-08, 11:38
A fuss a bout hair?:mad:

Behave yourselves people:smk:

You want them to remove all mystical creatures too?..they are also as 'unrealistic' as the hair movement.

Come on now!;)

Death Mask
09-09-08, 11:42
I can't think of a single game that has had really good hair physics. Not one. I'm sure a lot of folks want to get it right, but it's probably way down on the priority list--and probably way up on the difficulty list.

I have seen hair behave a lot more realistic than Lara's hair in an old PS2 wrestling game I have.

cardmonster
09-09-08, 11:44
I don't think it makes a blind bit of difference. :wve:

interstellardave
09-09-08, 11:45
I have seen hair behave a lot more realistic than Lara's hair in an old PS2 wrestling game I have.

Which one, 'cause I thought I'd played them all--and the hair wasn't so hot!

Death Mask
09-09-08, 11:48
Which one, 'cause I thought I'd played them all--and the hair wasn't so hot!

It's one of the WWE SmackDown vs. Raw titles, either 06 or 07, can't remember exactly.

interstellardave
09-09-08, 11:56
It's one of the WWE SmackDown vs. Raw titles, either 06 or 07, can't remember exactly.

Wow!!! Then I had better take another look at Laras' hair in the TRU footage then, 'cause I played (to death) every SD game from HCTP onward (I still have SD 06 in fact) and the hair stinks if you pay attention to it! Of course you usually don't in the heat of battle... :p

Quasimodo
09-09-08, 11:58
A fuss a bout hair?:mad:

Behave yourselves people:smk:

You want them to remove all mystical creatures too?..they are also as 'unrealistic' as the hair movement.

Come on now!;)

Bad!, naughty complainers! Tsk tsk. *stern look*

Death Mask
09-09-08, 12:03
Wow!!! Then I had better take another look at Laras' hair in the TRU footage then, 'cause I played (to death) every SD game from HCTP onward (I still have SD 06 in fact) and the hair stinks if you pay attention to it! Of course you usually don't in the heat of battle... :p

I just checked, it's 06, I've created multiple female CAWs in that game, and even though the hair goes through the neck, shoulders etc... some hair styles still behave more realistic than Lara's ponytail.

interstellardave
09-09-08, 12:08
I just checked, it's 06, I've created multiple female CAWs in that game, and even though the hair goes through the neck, shoulders etc... some hair styles still behave more realistic than Lara's ponytail.

It's probably hard to get the hair to conform to the body, so as to not go through the shoulders, etc., but, in trying to do so, maybe Lara's hair now sticks out more!?

I don't remember Legend being noticably bad in the hair aspect so maybe TRU will be okay (in the finished product).

EDIT: 06 has Christy Hemme in it.... mmmmmmm..... :mis: :D

b0bb13
09-09-08, 12:12
It's one of the WWE SmackDown vs. Raw titles, either 06 or 07, can't remember exactly.

Err,sorry,but Svr has the worst hair on PS2.;)
http://xbox360media.ign.com/xbox360/image/article/823/823978/wwe-smackdown-vs-raw-2008-20071001002157906.jpg
Oh,wait that's from the 360 version of 2008,my bad.:rolleyes:

Lara's hair looks great surely better than almost every other women.
Yes I'm looking at you Kasumi.:p

http://www.xbox360fanboy.com/media/2006/06/kasumi.jpg

Death Mask
09-09-08, 12:22
It's probably hard to get the hair to conform to the body, so as to not go through the shoulders, etc., but, in trying to do so, maybe Lara's hair now sticks out more!?

I don't remember Legend being noticably bad in the hair aspect so maybe TRU will be okay (in the finished product).
Either way, it won't affect the game in the least, just thought I'd point out that I've seen hair behave (not look) better on games that are not very new.
EDIT: 06 has Christy Hemme in it.... mmmmmmm..... :mis: :D
http://bestsmileys.com/drooling/4.gif

interstellardave
09-09-08, 12:24
Err,sorry,but Svr has the worst hair on PS2.;)
http://xbox360media.ign.com/xbox360/image/article/823/823978/wwe-smackdown-vs-raw-2008-20071001002157906.jpg
Oh,wait that's from the 360 version of 2008,my bad.:rolleyes:

Lara's hair looks great surely better than almost every other women.
Yes I'm looking at you Kasumi.:p

http://www.xbox360fanboy.com/media/2006/06/kasumi.jpg


They focused more on boobs than hair, obviously! :cln:

henry ze 4th
09-09-08, 13:27
I can't think of a single game that has had really good hair physics. Not one. I'm sure a lot of folks want to get it right, but it's probably way down on the priority list--and probably way up on the difficulty list.

Final Fantasy XII and that was PS2 of all things!

henry ze 4th
09-09-08, 13:28
They focused more on boobs than hair, obviously! :cln:

OMG The boob physics were increased by 500 hundred for DOA Extreme 2. In the end, not only was the hair ignored, but also gameplay and rational thinking. UUUUGH.

Irisa
09-09-08, 13:31
Err,sorry,but Svr has the worst hair on PS2.;)
http://xbox360media.ign.com/xbox360/image/article/823/823978/wwe-smackdown-vs-raw-2008-20071001002157906.jpg
Oh,wait that's from the 360 version of 2008,my bad.:rolleyes:

Lara's hair looks great surely better than almost every other women.
Yes I'm looking at you Kasumi.:p



What about Nariko's hair, Bobby13?;) I think they are spectacular, floating endlessly in the air...How I loved that heroïne! But Lara is perfect with her ponytail, IMO, even though her hair could be better rendered...:)

Night Crawler
09-09-08, 13:35
I'm new here by the way. ;)
Judging from the topic you started, you'll fit right in. :rolleyes:

Anajrob
09-09-08, 13:36
Yep, her hair looks plastic! But if gameplay is good I won't be paying so much attention to it :p

_Tomb_Raider
09-09-08, 13:41
Hair is fine to me!

b0bb13
09-09-08, 13:46
They focused more on boobs than hair, obviously! :cln:

DoAX2 is really more of an amusing game than a kinky one.Their boobs bounce so much!It's like one's going up,one's going down.:D
http://www.ctrlaltdel-online.com/comics/20061025.jpg
:vlol:

What about Nariko's hair, Bobby13?;) I think they are spectacular, floating endlessly in the air...How I loved that heroïne! But Lara is perfect with her ponytail, IMO, even though her hair could be better rendered...:)

Nariko is truly the most beautiful character ever created.I love to just slowly walk to see her hair move.:cln:
But she was made to be a deity not a real woman.And her hair is really long.:D

interstellardave
09-09-08, 13:53
^^^^ That comic strip is hilarious! :vlol:

Death Mask
09-09-08, 14:03
http://www.ctrlaltdel-online.com/comics/20061025.jpg
:vlol:

tranniversary119
09-09-08, 14:06
DoAX2 is really more of an amusing game than a kinky one.Their boobs bounce so much!It's like one's going up,one's going down.:D
http://www.ctrlaltdel-online.com/comics/20061025.jpg
:vlol:

:vlol: They do in fact focus on the boobs it amuses me and my sister and we can't play it in front of my parents because that would be akward :o Nothing wrong with small boobs.

Azerutan
09-09-08, 14:11
oh who cares?

b0bb13
09-09-08, 14:12
:vlol: They do in fact focus on the boobs it amuses me and my sister and we can't play it in front of my parents because that would be akward :o Nothing wrong with small boobs.

Lol!:vlol:
If I'd have a 360 and this game,I'd only play it when I'm home alone or at night,since it would really be awkward for your parents to find you playing a game with women in small bikinis with bouncy breasts.:o:D

Imagine if Ivy would be a DoA character....0_o
http://zara.switzerlan.org/images/boobsthroughtheages.jpg

violentblossom
09-09-08, 14:14
^^^^^

jujubees.

as for that comic way up there, same response: :vlol:

Titanium
09-09-08, 14:17
Well CD have already added optional features to make gamers happy. Lets hope for a "Shave her head off" feature. :p

_Tomb_Raider
09-09-08, 14:22
http://img124.imageshack.us/img124/6356/20052005200820tomb20raiht0.jpg

b0bb13
09-09-08, 14:25
^I love that comic,because Lara is treated like one character.Not like Legend Lara or AOD Lara.She's just evolving.:hug:
And actually her breasts were smaller(thank God!).In AOD they were huge and they had a jelly-like composition.:vlol:

nickless
09-09-08, 14:29
'AWESOME when is the release date?'
tisk tisk,boys :rolleyes:

p.s. i love it :D

KC Mraz
09-09-08, 14:31
Lara looks lovely there :)

Larapink
09-09-08, 14:32
Oh no not another complaint. :rolleyes:

interstellardave
09-09-08, 14:33
I wonder if one of the adjustable options in TRU is Laras' breast size?! :cln:

b0bb13
09-09-08, 14:37
I wonder if one of the adjustable options in TRU is Laras' breast size?! :cln:

:vlol:
DoA used to have a "Breast Bounce" option.:D

Endow
09-09-08, 14:40
I've been saying that, making the protagonist an old man would solve most of these aesthetic problems, for ages now...

TRhalloween
09-09-08, 15:27
Her boobs are bigger in Legend?

To be honest I don't give a flying **** about her hair physics. :D

Naz2000
09-09-08, 15:28
I just hate how the ponytail magically phases through objects on Lara's back such as her guns and backpack!!!!!!!!

Sharon_14
09-09-08, 16:03
:vlol:
DoA used to have a "Breast Bounce" option.:D

:tea:

When me and my friend played it I was like "OMGZ! They're growing bigger and bigger!"

I dont care about Laras hair though...

No_more_bullets
09-09-08, 18:06
The hair could be better, like flailing about wildly instead of just staying clumped together, even underwater.

But crystal are probably focusing on the more integral aspects of the game before relitively trivial issues, such as hair physics, are tackled.

EmeraldFields
09-09-08, 19:43
I don't care what the hair does. As long as it doesn't inhibit my ability to play the game.:wve:

Gladous
09-09-08, 21:08
Hm not sure if i should be happy that you're having to pick holes in the hair as your major complaints :)

Hair physics in game (ie NOT in a controlled cinematic or pre-rendered) is one of the holy grails of gaming i reckon. :)



no, no. its not the BIGGEST thing to complain about. i think the game will be flawless it was just bugging me on how light it is. :o

Hybrid Soldier
09-09-08, 21:11
That's what we call complaining for details, which is a common practice here...

Come on guys, it's a game... I don't care if her ponytail isn't that realistic... I mean, it's just a game, everything doesn't need to be perfect. X_X

Lol, don't sound too surprised about it. :p

fanoflaracroft
09-09-08, 21:20
The hair doesen't annoy me too much.It's the b***s i'm concerned about.

silver_wolf
09-09-08, 22:18
hair...again. I swear, Lara's little details get more attention than the actual game. CD should make a "Nit-pick Raider", where all you do is find as many things wrong with the Lara model as possible. Sort of like I Spy!

Gladous
09-09-08, 22:21
hair...again. I swear, Lara's little details get more attention than the actual game. CD should make a "Nit-pick Raider", where all you do is find as many things wrong with the Lara model as possible. Sort of like I Spy!


well i'm starting to think, "Is it possible that since the way lara's hair moves, make it effect gameplay?" :confused:

Sekhraider
09-09-08, 22:47
I don't care what the hair does. As long as it doesn't inhibit my ability to play the game.:wve:
Yea thats what Im saying. If the hair stood out and seemed to go through Lara's head or neck, then I would be upset. Im not about to play TRU with Lara having hair sticking out through her face or neck or back even. Rggghh:)

_Lam
09-09-08, 22:53
I KNOW !
She walks slooooowwwllly and her hair like like what they would look right in the middle of the Hannah hurricane !

Plus, they are all compact like if there was glue on it.

Twilight
09-09-08, 22:56
as long as its not exploding in the screen, i'm fine.

_Lam
09-09-08, 23:14
People are laughing at us because we complain about that but sorry I think it's really important.

Why do you guys want nice graphics ? Because you want the game to look great. Sorry but this floating ponytail break a lot of this "beauty" for me. I mean, we are on next-gen, they succeed making perfect hair in Anniversary, and now they can't.

I won't be freakin angry if it's not fixed but I think it's really important, as important as her animation.

jeffrey van oort
09-09-08, 23:17
As windy as it might look that is realistic. :)
Have you ever seen women run or have you ever seen women at all:D It's almost flawless:)

HolidayCroft
10-09-08, 00:28
GO BACK TO THE BUN like in tr1

Tombraiderx08
10-09-08, 00:31
GO BACK TO THE BUN like in tr1 the bun was absolutely dreadful, hated it!:hea:

aussie500
10-09-08, 02:08
People are laughing at us because we complain about that but sorry I think it's really important.

Why do you guys want nice graphics ? Because you want the game to look great. Sorry but this floating ponytail break a lot of this "beauty" for me. I mean, we are on next-gen, they succeed making perfect hair in Anniversary, and now they can't.

I won't be freakin angry if it's not fixed but I think it's really important, as important as her animation.

The pony tail never floats, although floating in water would be nice. It trails behind Lara when it is windy, when she is running and when she jumps. It has not been spotted floating without cause, lifting up like a horses tail when Lara interacts with something, or wiggling all by itself when she is still and there is no wind. Thus it is an improvement on all Core's versions that had the braid, it at least behaves like hair, even if very light, seemingly water proof hair. The water problem might yet be solved, l doubt the weight problem will be since Crystal Dynamics probably think it looks better if how the hair reacts to what Lara is doing is slightly exaggerated.

Smog
10-09-08, 09:13
as long as its not exploding in the screen, i'm fine.

I'm still plagued with nightmares of running around the Serpent Rouge with a brunette laser show being emitted from Lara's head. :p

Jin Uzuki
10-09-08, 09:49
I actually like how her hair bounces around like Lara's been a long-time endorser of a shampoo product. It looks superhumanly silky and smooth.

Angeo
10-09-08, 12:52
It really is unrealistic, that even when she's walking, her hair moves the same way, when riding a bike. But as some say, it's just hair, as long as the story is OK, and the controlling is fine, i don't care :o

Angeo
10-09-08, 12:53
GO BACK TO THE BUN like in tr1

For heavens sake, NO! And by the way, wasn't it just because of the limited graphics? I mean, in the cutscenes, she had the braid...

Drone
10-09-08, 15:33
GO BACK TO THE BUN like in tr1

at least it wasn't glitchy :)

Angeo
10-09-08, 15:52
at least it wasn't glitchy :)
I mean seriously, what kind of glitches a bun can have? :confused::D

Gladous
10-09-08, 16:57
i thought the bun was dreadful! :(

Gladous
10-09-08, 17:02
Maybe it's always windy where Lara is...

Kinda like Mariah Carey...

Seriously...look at her vids....WIND MACHINE


lol, don't make fun of my mariah carey! :ohn: she has unrealistically high vocal chords! :vlol:

Poke Warrior
10-09-08, 17:26
I like Lara hair ^^ But it would be good if you could choose out of the 3 in Underworld :D

Hybrid Soldier
10-09-08, 18:48
hair...again. I swear, Lara's little details get more attention than the actual game. CD should make a "Nit-pick Raider", where all you do is find as many things wrong with the Lara model as possible. Sort of like I Spy!

Lmao! Thats not such a bad idea. :p

Lee croft
10-09-08, 19:03
there is a pic of her with her hair down in legend its when she is in ghana i think i personaly think you should be able to choose her hair as well as an out fit but keep them separate (pick the outfit then the hair style) between the bun from tr1 ,the braid , ponytail and having it down

x2crazyidiot
10-09-08, 19:49
I do agree, the ponytail seems a tad light
but what annoys me more is that she has pieces of her fringe that move independently, but then when it comes to the ponytail, it's one big gloopy blob! It moves realistically, but ponytail's have many strands of hair, not one big one

peeves
10-09-08, 22:19
OK So the hair thing in TRU looks better than it does in Legend but the TRA hair is better than the TRU hair IMO. Anyway I miss lara's ponytail from the Classics. They were so memorable. Also use hair cream for hair moisture.

MichaelK@NK
10-09-08, 22:19
HEY EVERYONE! I just added a new pic to the fanart. You guys should def. take a look. My next one will be even better. :)

:BitterSweet:
10-09-08, 22:27
HEY EVERYONE! I just added a new pic to the fanart. You guys should def. take a look. My next one will be even better. :)

^^ What does that have anything to do with Lara's hair?

On-topic: I like Lara's hair! It's bouncy and fluid. :)

Gladous
10-09-08, 22:31
HEY EVERYONE! I just added a new pic to the fanart. You guys should def. take a look. My next one will be even better. :)



:off: :spm:

MichaelK@NK
10-09-08, 22:32
HAHA! IDK, just wanted to let everyone know. It's not spam, it's not like a created a new thread or anything. Besides I've already made my comment of Lara's hair. It doesn't looks real, it moves real, but doesn't look real texture wise.

Gladous
10-09-08, 22:35
^^ True. Nevermind Prociede. (sp?) btw Great work! :tmb:

MichaelK@NK
10-09-08, 22:43
Haha thnx. What's SP?

Moon-Safari
10-09-08, 23:46
If people want to complain, then let them. The most annoying people here right now are the shooshers complaining about the complainers. The people that notice the details and mention what they'd like to see, are the ones that have been most instrumental in shaping the game we have today. CD do listen, so if we can all get on board with discussing the actual topic (yeah the hair has to be fixed, or no it doesn't) instead of trying to stomp out conversation, we can all be a lot more helpful.

The topic starter has a point. I think her hair is inconsistent with the quality of the environments and the rest of Lara's model. CD can fix this in either this game or the next one, but it must be addressed. The back of Lara's head is very noticeable and it's what follows you throughout the game. I'd say that makes it somewhat important.

Quasimodo
10-09-08, 23:55
If people want to complain, then let them. The most annoying people here right now are the shooshers complaining about the complainers. The people that notice the details and mention what they'd like to see, are the ones that have been most instrumental in shaping the game we have today. CD do listen, so if we can all get on board with discussing the actual topic (yeah the hair has to be fixed, or no it doesn't) instead of trying to stomp out conversation, we can all be a lot more helpful.

The topic starter has a point. I think her hair is inconsistent with the quality of the environments and the rest of Lara's model. CD can fix this in either this game or the next one, but it must be addressed. The back of Lara's head is very noticeable and it's what follows you throughout the game. I'd say that makes it somewhat important.
Hear, hear! http://bestsmileys.com/clapping/2.gif

silver_wolf
10-09-08, 23:56
ha. you're complaining about people complaining about people complaining about hair.

Gladous
11-09-08, 00:14
Haha thnx. What's SP?


Spelling.

Moon-Safari
11-09-08, 00:28
ha. you're complaining about people complaining about people complaining about hair.

you must have a point... :tea:

Woop Legend!
11-09-08, 00:34
ha. you're complaining about people complaining about people complaining about hair.

Hehe, that is probably the best thing I have read in a long time!

Moon-Safari
11-09-08, 00:38
^you should read more often. :pi:

Angeo
11-09-08, 12:19
Guys, seriously, it's just hair :rolleyes: Is it really THAT important? :confused:

young Lara Croft
11-09-08, 12:52
They wanted to make her as real as possible! so the hair comes as a bonus! :cln:

Shark_Blade
11-09-08, 14:01
Hehe, that is probably the best thing I have read in a long time!

^you should read more often. :pi::vlol:

aussie500
11-09-08, 14:23
Well since Tomb Raider fans seem so intent on needless niggles about things we are never going to notice or in most cases even see in the game, l thought l would apply myself to finding one about the hair. The Legend hair seemes to have got a bit more attention to minor details, of course it could just be Crystal Dynamics have not got up to the point where they are worried about minor details yet.

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j215/aussie500/Tomb%208/tr72008-09-1123-00-48-48.jpg

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j215/aussie500/Tomb%208/screen034.jpg

The hair around the ears look nice, but the neck looks a bit bare.
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j215/aussie500/Tomb%208/screen002-1.jpg

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j215/aussie500/Tomb%208/screen054.jpghttp://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j215/aussie500/Tomb%208/screen038.jpg

Some people spend hours sticking stuff in their hair to get those straggly bits nice and neat, some people just shave them off, a bit of hair on the back of the neck would look nice though, it does not have to move or anything.

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j215/aussie500/Tomb%208/Clients009.jpg

Said tiny detail does not annoy me in the least, and l am sure l am not going to be particularly worried about it.

Woop Legend!
11-09-08, 15:38
^you should read more often. :pi:

Touche, I meant on this forum though. :p

Moon-Safari
11-09-08, 15:44
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j215/aussie500/Tomb%208/screen054.jpghttp://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j215/aussie500/Tomb%208/screen038.jpg

Just look at the poor quality of textures on her hair. There's no way CD are not going to fix that before release. It's really bad and it doesn't fit in with the rest of the model or the rest of the game. I'm almost positive that the hair is not complete.

M.A.
11-09-08, 15:58
Yes, hair is not that important. But when it does glitches and runs from its intended look, you've got to channel your complain somewhere.

In the classics, guess what I did when I got bored or stuck? I played with her hair. I made Lara jump and tumble to see how the hair move. Try to make her braid rest on her shoulder. Observe its behavior in and on water. Do you know you can wrap her long TR4 braid around her neck when she's on water surface? Yeah, I'm weird. Sue me. :D

In TRL, her hair physic is ok. I love it when you're doing a bullet time and you look at that ponytail as it tumble and spins.. Damn, I wish I had a video. :D

The only complain I have is the hair physic underwater in both TRL and TRA. Hair is affected by gravity even underwater. But in TRL and TRA it looks as if she tied a stone at the end of it! It always points downwards, sometime the end pokes through her body and appear at "The Valley of the Gods"! :D :cln:. If you observe TR classics and TRAOD, her hair floats underwater. Well, not so much floats per se, but not heavily affected by gravity either like in TRL and TRA.

There, I've complained. Glad to get it out of my chest. Hope that CD get her hair underwater physic right. If, they need research, they can always rent Into the Blue, a movie where Jessica Alba wore a ponytail underwater (and not much else :D :cln:)

Cheers!

b0bb13
11-09-08, 16:17
Just look at the poor quality of textures on her hair. There's no way CD are not going to fix that before release. It's really bad and it doesn't fit in with the rest of the model or the rest of the game. I'm almost positive that the hair is not complete.

Actually,it looks like that because the pics are huge and the game isn't made to run in 5000p.:p

Angeo
11-09-08, 16:22
There, I've complained. Glad to get it out of my chest. Hope that CD get her hair underwater physic right. If, they need research, they can always rent Into the Blue, a movie where Jessica Alba wore a ponytail underwater (and not much else :D :cln:)

Cheers!

:vlol::vlol::vlol: I agree with most, though :tmb:

M.A.
11-09-08, 16:22
Actually,it looks like that because the pics are huge and the game isn't made to run in 5000p.:p

True. Plus I think Anti-aliasing hasn't been applied yet to those screenshots making everything looks jaggy on the edges.. :D

Cheers.

Gladous
11-09-08, 21:39
Just look at the poor quality of textures on her hair. There's no way CD are not going to fix that before release. It's really bad and it doesn't fit in with the rest of the model or the rest of the game. I'm almost positive that the hair is not complete.

I think you may be right. Though I like how it is shiny. :tea:

Angelus
11-09-08, 21:46
This is getting ridiculous... it's hair. Does no-one actually care about gameplay anymore!?

God, there'll be a thread soon saying that Lara's teeth are too white!

Larapink
11-09-08, 21:49
People will complain about anything.

MrBear
11-09-08, 21:50
People will complain about anything.

People will complain about people complaining about anything.

Tomb_of_Darkns
11-09-08, 21:51
:vlol: , but aren't most peoples teeth SUPPOSED to be white?? :p
i really don't care for hair, if it's great then awesome, i'll play with it, but if it isnt well too bad, it really doesn't matter.

Larapink
11-09-08, 21:52
People will complain about people complaining about anything.
Yeah unfortunately that is just how it goes.

hornedizzle
11-09-08, 21:54
This is getting ridiculous... it's hair. Does no-one actually care about gameplay anymore!?

God, there'll be a thread soon saying that Lara's teeth are too white!

its actually a very legit topic. crystal dynamics is claiming how theyve payed rediculous amount of detail to this game and its the little things that will set this game apart. well if lara's model isnt perfect... theyre dead in the water before they even began. and as of right now lara's hair is faaaar from perfect, very unrealistic behavior. im sure theyll fix it though nobody can look at that and say "yea thats how hair actually moves its perfect"

Angelus
11-09-08, 21:55
People will complain about people complaining about anything.

People need to, otherwise the Underworld forum would be littered with even more silly and pointless threads than it already has now.

domina
11-09-08, 21:56
I just want to say that I love how this thread, about Lara's hair, has 130 posts. :vlol:

But seriously CD. You need to fix that ****.

MrBear
11-09-08, 21:58
People need to, otherwise the Underworld forum would be littered with even more silly and pointless threads than it already has now.

Hey, I'm not against complaining (as long as it's borderlining on something CD can actually make use of), just spreading a bit of humour ;)

Angelus
11-09-08, 21:59
Hey, I'm not against complaining (as long as it's borderlining on something CD can actually make use of), just spreading a bit of humour ;)

I wasn't directly aiming my post at you, I was merely replying to what you posted. :)

ivannnnn
11-09-08, 22:00
Everything is important. What if Lara was bald? :p
And what if she had small breasts? :p

MrBear
11-09-08, 22:02
I wasn't directly aiming my post at you, I was merely replying to what you posted. :)

And I was replying to your sentiments on the subject, clarifying the post you replied to :)

I wonder how far we could continue this :p

just*raidin*tomb
12-09-08, 00:10
no comment

Larapink
12-09-08, 00:16
Her hair is fine, but the Animations just need a little work on.
And what if she had small breasts? :p
Then some gamers wouldn't want to play TR again, as sad as that is but Lara is well known for those assets.
Lara has big breasts (for her frame) final.

Gladous
12-09-08, 01:09
Her hair is fine, but the Animations just need a little work on.

Then some gamers wouldn't want to play TR again, as sad as that is but Lara is well known for those assets.
Lara has big breasts (for her frame) final.

Yes. I wasn't complaining about how the hair looks. It looks fine. (detail wise)

I just don't like the way it moves. It looks like it could possibly affect gameplay or if your trying to take a picture of Lara and her ponytail is going through her face.

_Lam
12-09-08, 01:30
Yes. I wasn't complaining about how the hair looks. It looks fine. (detail wise)

I just don't like the way it moves. It looks like it could possibly affect gameplay or if your trying to take a picture of Lara and her ponytail is going through her face.

Agreed ! It's annoying and ugly, but I'm sure CD will fix it, it must not be hard to do.

Tthe Spirit
12-09-08, 06:00
DW..
such things wil get fixed soon enough...
They are working to make her as realistic as possible..
so, DW...
:wve:

Angeo
12-09-08, 09:43
God, there'll be a thread soon saying that Lara's teeth are too white!

:vlol::vlol::vlol::vlol::vlol: