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With the story I mean. It's based on the all powerful super race from Atlantis. Who populated the planet millions of years ago. Or a long time ago anyway. If this was the supreme race who created and passed down everything, cultures, beliefs, myths ect.. What's left. If they are the base to all this, what's left to discover? You know what I mean. What cool artifacts are around or races? Did they go to far by jumping to the top rather then climbing the ladder slowly of ancient races and history? Hope you guys understand what I'm trying to say. :)
I mean the entire point was to learn about cultures, experience who they are, where they came from. But we already know this, if they indeed just descended from the Atlanteans. Can you see where I'm comming from. There's a good reason why the game should have just stayed as standard adventures with different cultures who were completely seperate with different artifacts and a modern human antagonist with a few plot twists here and there. But they just decided to go for it all. THE END ALL BE ALL SUPER RACE FROM ATLANTIS. Was this too much?
I've worried before that they might've shot themselves in foot with this one. How could they possibly top that concept? Underunderworld? :p
I understand what you're trying to say. But at the same time, I doubt it's too fatal a flaw. Yes, for all intents and purposes, Lara has discovered the beginning of all modern civilization and the cause of all myths and legends from around the entire world. But that doesn't mean she's uncovered everything. She's uncovered a lot to do with Norse mythology, Arthurian legend, et. al. But there's still plenty of nasty things out there than just the midgaurd serpant.
Maybe she can go find the real source of the Cthulhu myth. Maybe she can find the Ark of the Covenant. All the great archeologists seem to have found it at least once in their carreers.
as i've talked about before, just having used a concept like Atlantis and the 'super powerful race' doesn't mean it's the end of the storyline for Anniversary, Legend, Underworld and so on...
personally i'm looking for the next game to be based in Greece and around the greek mythology, bacause as we've seen Thor's hammer and Excalibur in the game, we really haven't seen much else about the Atlantean culture...
i'd love the next game to work on the greek myth of Hephaestus and his forge, maybe Amanda is now searching for the 'Forge' that created Thor's artifacts and the swords like Excalibur... an ancient Atlantean piece of technology that makes these massively powerful artefacts...
is they use that sort of storyline then they can actually bring so many myths and legends into the Tomb Raider games and branch out in ways we've never thought of before...
Tomb Raider: Reforged... coming 2012...
http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p171/methosivanhoe/reforged.jpg
well, hell, if they don't want the idea, i'd be tempted to write it as a fanfic and stick it up here myself lol
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navinloveslara
25-11-08, 03:21
I've worried before that they might've shot themselves in foot with this one. How could they possibly top that concept? Underunderworld? :p
I understand what you're trying to say. But at the same time, I doubt it's too fatal a flaw. Yes, for all intents and purposes, Lara has discovered the beginning of all modern civilization and the cause of all myths and legends from around the entire world. But that doesn't mean she's uncovered everything. She's uncovered a lot to do with Norse mythology, Arthurian legend, et. al. But there's still plenty of nasty things out there than just the midgaurd serpant.
Maybe she can go find the real source of the Cthulhu myth. Maybe she can find the Ark of the Covenant. All the great archeologists seem to have found it at least once in their carreers.
I agree with both, but maybe TR9 can be about finding out more about the Atlanteans, maybe other things they inspired on Earth, other secrets they might have had hidden, etc.
There are still many other myths for her to chase, though, IMO, and like Caldwin has said.
as i've talked about before, just having used a concept like Atlantis and the 'super powerful race' doesn't mean it's the end of the storyline for Anniversary, Legend, Underworld and so on...
personally i'm looking for the next game to be based in Greece and around the greek mythology, bacause as we've seen Thor's hammer and Excalibur in the game, we really haven't seen much else about the Atlantean culture...
i'd love the next game to work on the greek myth of Hephaestus and his forge, maybe Amanda is now searching for the 'Forge' that created Thor's artifacts and the swords like Excalibur... an ancient Atlantean piece of technology that makes these massively powerful artefacts...
is they use that sort of storyline then they can actually bring so many myths and legends into the Tomb Raider games and branch out in ways we've never thought of before...
Tomb Raider: Reforged... coming 2012...
Agreed!
I'd really love to see Greek mythology and culture in TR, it would be amazing, especially considering the immense graphical power we can use right now. Linking the 'Forge' to Hephaestus is very clever:tmb:. I just said in another thread, there are so many things they could twist their way, so linking all the cultures of the world together and branching out across the world would be just amazing.
By the way, that picture just sounds so WRONG:p.
Agreed!
I'd really love to see Greek mythology and culture in TR, it would be amazing, especially considering the immense graphical power we can use right now. Linking the 'Forge' to Hephaestus is very clever:tmb:. I just said in another thread, there are so many things they could twist their way, so linking all the cultures of the world together and branching out across the world would be just amazing.
By the way, that picture just sounds so WRONG:p.
yeah, if people are doubting how you can link mythology together well, take a look at Stargate SG1, they managed Greek, Atlantean, Norse, Egyptian, Native American, Pagan and others and brought it all together expertly... TR writers should take a page out of their book and start doing it right lol
as for the picture.... sounds wrong? in what way?
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navinloveslara
25-11-08, 03:40
yeah, if people are doubting how you can link mythology together well, take a look at Stargate SG1, they managed Greek, Atlantean, Norse, Egyptian, Native American, Pagan and others and brought it all together expertly... TR writers should take a page out of their book and start doing it right lol
as for the picture.... sounds wrong? in what way?
M
Definitely, when you're playing with your own fiction, there's no limit to the way you can twist things;).
Sounds wrong as in it sounds like TR was completely remade or something:p.
i'm not talking about remaking Tomb Raider, but maybe using the game of taking the series in a new direction...
allowing freeformat travelling like allowing use of Lara's private jet to visit, revisit and change locations quickly...
maybe even have things like multiple endings depending on how you progress through the game...
things like that would enhance the gameplay so much and are pretty easy to do with todays technology
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navinloveslara
25-11-08, 03:58
i'm not talking about remaking Tomb Raider, but maybe using the game of taking the series in a new direction...
allowing freeformat travelling like allowing use of Lara's private jet to visit, revisit and change locations quickly...
maybe even have things like multiple endings depending on how you progress through the game...
things like that would enhance the gameplay so much and are pretty easy to do with todays technology
M
Definitely, but the multiple endings still have to link somehow..
I feel that TR is better with one single ending, I mean, as much as I love Natla, I wouldn't have wanted an ending in which she lives...or actually, maybe I would! Then Lara would have to try find some way to reverse time or something, very nice:tmb:!
Traveling is good, but I don't think it should be open-ended and just let you travel as and when you wish, but instead, opening up more traveling space within the area, like with the motorcycle in Mexico, which was a great move.
Something else I feel they should do is put more than is necessary. In Mexico, for example, every temple there had a purpose. I felt they should have included a few temples with no key items, maybe one with a pit filled with snakes, or a room where you'd get locked in and have to make your way out through traps.
All these I feel would make the environment more complex, more open, and more immersive. I mean, even the ancient Mayans would have built more than necessary just to confuse and get rid of tomb raiders like Lara;).
Tombraiderx08
25-11-08, 04:01
Well she had the ark in the first one, annd, whats a cthulu?!
yeah, i agree on pretty much all of that...
i ment with the multiple endings like having various artefacts found around the world by Lara, Zeus' lightning, Hippolyta's girdle and so on...
the various artefacts you find lead you on to another one, and another, so all the way through the game you have 8 or so different paths you can take that might lead back or overlap sometimes...
that way the replay value to the game is immense as you would never find all the artefacts in one game, but rather when you've got, say 6, you find your way to The Forge to face Amanda... but then you could have any 6 out of 8 Artefacts in your control and the 6 that you have tell one story while any combination using the 2 remaining tell another story and lead you different places...
just an idea though...
M
Well she had the ark in the first one, annd, whats a cthulu?!
Cthulu was an ancient god created by H.P. Lovecraft in his books...
scary ass thing with tentecles for mouth, big, green and destroyed dimensions for food... along with sanity...
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navinloveslara
25-11-08, 04:06
Cthulu was an ancient god created by H.P. Lovecraft in his books...
scary ass thing with tentecles for mouth, big, green and destroyed dimensions for food... along with sanity...
M
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/62/Cthulhu_and_R%27lyeh.jpg
:wve:
Well she had the ark in the first one, annd, whats a cthulu?!
:eek:
Cthulu = Underpus
No, but seriously, Cthulu is a great old one, part of an ancient race. He's basically a giant with a squid for a head that can only be hurt, not killed. If you get the chance, check out your local book store.
Title -- The Call of Cthulhu and Other Weird Stories
Author -- H.P. Lovecraft
That is not dead which can eternal lie,
And with strange aeons even death may die.
Tombraiderx08
25-11-08, 04:11
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/62/Cthulhu_and_R%27lyeh.jpg
:wve: eeep this is castlevania all over again mann! but anyways, i know he's made up, and i know that in TR things are factual and fictional totally, buuut, he needs to stay out XD
navinloveslara
25-11-08, 04:16
eeep this is castlevania all over again mann! but anyways, i know he's made up, and i know that in TR things are factual and fictional totally, buuut, he needs to stay out XD
Imagine seeing him in great next-gen graphics!
I'd :yik:!
But HEALLL YEAHH, get him in:jmp:!
Personally i'd rather see some more of Atlantis or Atlantean 'technoligy' falling into the wrong hands... that could make an amazing storyline as Lara takes up the 'keeper of Atlantis' mantle...
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Tombraiderx08
25-11-08, 04:21
Personally i'd rather see some more of Atlantis or Atlantean 'technoligy' falling into the wrong hands... that could make an amazing storyline as Lara takes up the 'keeper of Atlantis' mantle...
M well, thats basically what we did recently, as far as the scion goes, the true origin of the dais and hammah tech, idk..... the writing system is very different from that found in the lost island...... Maybe theres another civilization that predated even atlantis? :mis: it'd be kool
Imagine seeing him in great next-gen graphics!
I'd :yik:!
But HEALLL YEAHH, get him in:jmp:!
:yik:
I seem to have spurred a conversation here. *shudders* While I wouldn't totally mind having Cthulhu mentioned or even seen in a TR game, I highly doubt it would happen. I really just kind of mentioned him offhanded as an example of how Lara hasn't completely run the list of fantasticly horrible things to be drudged up by the human imagination. Honestly, I don't know how she'd handle going up against Cthulhu if she ever did meet up with him.
Tombraiderx08
25-11-08, 04:26
:yik:
I seem to have spurred a conversation here. *shudders* While I wouldn't totally mind having Cthulhu mentioned or even seen in a TR game, I highly doubt it would happen. I really just kind of mentioned him offhanded as an example of how Lara hasn't completely run the list of fantasticly horrible things to be drudged up by the human imagination. Honestly, I don't know how she'd handle going up against Cthulhu if she ever did meet up with him. she does have posession of 2 ancient swords, that would be interesting.
Personally, I think the best Idea for the story of the next game was the Dias brought them to a different time. Perhaps a alternate future where Natla was sucessful and Amanda and Lara need to get around the globe together pulling resources in this foreign world looking for an artifact that would allow them to change the new past. Wouldn't this be cool. They could revisit burnt down croft manor to get supplies then find a way to acess travel to different parts of the globe to get pieces to the new artifact that could set everything right. Perhaps a anti-ragnarok device was created by the same people that would allow them to change the past. You know what I mean. If anything it would be a good DLC story. This story idea deserves it's own thread.
navinloveslara
25-11-08, 15:48
Personally, I think the best Idea for the story of the next game was the Dias brought them to a different time. Perhaps a alternate future where Natla was sucessful and Amanda and Lara need to get around the globe together pulling resources in this foreign world looking for an artifact that would allow them to change the new past. Wouldn't this be cool. They could revisit burnt down croft manor to get supplies then find a way to acess travel to different parts of the globe to get pieces to the new artifact that could set everything right. Perhaps a anti-ragnarok device was created by the same people that would allow them to change the past. You know what I mean. If anything it would be a good DLC story. This story idea deserves it's own thread.
Definitely!
I'm rooting for this storyline, it's really plausible.
Maybe trying to find someway to control where and when the diases would send them to, so they could reverse Natla's doings.
I hope it's not the DLC story, hopefully DLC just confirms that this will be the main storyline for TR9:jmp:!
I understand what you're trying to say. But at the same time, I doubt it's too fatal a flaw. Yes, for all intents and purposes, Lara has discovered the beginning of all modern civilization and the cause of all myths and legends from around the entire world. But that doesn't mean she's uncovered everything. She's uncovered a lot to do with Norse mythology, Arthurian legend, et. al. But there's still plenty of nasty things out there than just the midgaurd serpant.
Maybe she can go find the real source of the Cthulhu myth. Maybe she can find the Ark of the Covenant. All the great archeologists seem to have found it at least once in their carreers.
hasn't she already found it before TR1? it's just lying around her home you know :P
she does have posession of 2 ancient swords, that would be interesting.
Who needs those 9mm pea-shooters when you got the all powerful swords? :whi:
:D
*Imagine gameplay where Lara fights while using BOTH swords on each hands. Sigh*
There are a ton more myths, treasures, relics, icons, gods, deities out there to be explored and discovered.
maybe Amanda is now searching for the 'Forge' ...
No, no, no, no, no. No more Amanda. Ever. Bored of her now :wve:
No, no, no, no, no. No more Amanda. Ever. Bored of her now :wve:
Fine...
*pouts but carries on writing his fanfic anyway*
M
Fine...
*pouts but carries on writing his fanfic anyway*
M
It's time for new, exciting and 'twisted in never-before-seen ways' villains. Natla and Amanda have had their games now, it's time for something different. In the games that is. Fanfic can be about anything you like :D
it's down to preferance i suppose...
i actually really liked Amanda as a character, what we saw of her, and i think it would be cool to actually see some more of her motivations and history...
just my preferance i suppose, just like people want to see more of Zip or Allistar...
M
There are so many other stories to make. Everything isn't about the atlantians in the TR universe. Take the dagger of Xian for instance, never had anything to do with natla or atlantians. ;) The stories are endless, as long as imagination is used. All they need is a shred of reality, otherwise the rest can be fantasy.
Sekhraider
25-11-08, 17:25
Okay as far as the whole "Origin to man, Super Advanced Race" scenario, I for one love it. See if CD were to create another TR game centered around Greece or Rome or even Macedonian culture, it would be too similar to the first TR or even TRC where Lara met Larson and Pierre for the first time.
Why not use new cultures to explore and see more of a connection with Atlantis. Polynesian, Rapa Nui, Ancient Mesopotamia, Ancient India, China, Indonesia, Siberia, etc.
Can she go to Australia or New Zealand this time to dive into the Aborigines culture?
When we were all getting happy about what cultures CD was going to use for TRU, I thought I had read somewhere that Ancient Mesopotamia was going to be used. And I didnt see that at all in the game. Shiva and his consort do not count, they are not Mesopotamian myths more like Sanskrit or Hindu. See I think there lots of potential within Ancient Iraq and Middle East b/c well the Annunaki are supposedly the Ancient Middle Eastern version of the the biblical Nefilim. They were the also the council of the dead and were evil. According to Zacharia Sitchen (Judiasm/Sumer Cuneiform translator), they came to earth from another world and basically created humankind and molded many of the ancient world. He says that Ancient Sumer was where they ruled from and later places like Atlantis came from this place. Its interesting and could prove to be a good storyline if CD ever dived into it. Just think a culture that pre-dated Atlantis and also suffered the same fate of destruction leaving no real trace of exsistance except for mathematics? Sounds mysterious. :)
I wanted to add that this time they can also introduce a new vilian say a male who's even more sinister than Natla yet cunning and someone who dwells more in the Academic world. Not like Van Croy, but a real professor who's got royal family or some type of higher up lineage. A person who is just as smart as Lara but older and well who's got a supernatural side. Not so much an alien side like Natla but really someone from a nether-realm. Now I would love a character like that. :D
It's time for new, exciting and 'twisted in never-before-seen ways' villains. Natla and Amanda have had their games now, it's time for something different. In the games that is. Fanfic can be about anything you like :DI agree with this. I love Amanda and Natla. They will always be my two favorite main villains. I hope to see their return in some future Tomb Raider Game. Heck, I'm a big fan of GAHOG.
But I think the Tomb Raider game franchise should move on to something different. This Atlantean/Avalon storyline has reached it's end. Let's not make TR all about Amanda and Natla.
i dont think they went far,.. i think that by accident or with total knowledge they got closer to cores main idea of a superhuman race that made everything else what its like today,.. and that will mess with almost every story around. thats the epicness of it...
on the other hand. they can still focus from time to time in smaller artifacts on less (world conserning stories). like the dagger of xian, or like any of chronicles stories... only this time a bit longer...
navinloveslara
26-11-08, 16:18
Anyone else find it a little strange how this thread went from "Anyone else feel they went too far?" to "How much further can and should they go?"?
:p
I've worried before that they might've shot themselves in foot with this one. How could they possibly top that concept? Underunderworld? :p
lol:D
what would that mean? the underworld under the underworlds:)
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