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tranniversary119
01-12-08, 16:36
The term "demigod", meaning "half-god", is used to describe mythological figures whose one parent was a god and whose other parent was human.[1] Demi-gods include the Celtic hero Cúchulainn, Gilgamesh, and Heracles.
I believe in one of the quotes on the loading screens it states something about demi-gods. I found this interesting and just wanted to share it, and of course gather your thoughts :) Could Natla be a demi-god? A fallen angel perhaps?
[edit] In the Hebrew Bible
There is a story in the Tanah about the so called "Sons of God" which came down to Earth and took women for wifes (see Nephilim or Sons of God)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demigod
toxicraider
01-12-08, 16:39
Yes, i thought this a while ago, just like the egyptian rulers, she can't really be a real god imo.
Ilie_Fusarau
01-12-08, 16:40
Could Natla be a demi-god? A fallen angel perhaps?
Well shes a demi-god and a fallen queen (Queen of Atlantis).
tranniversary119
01-12-08, 16:42
Well shes a demi-god and a fallen queen (Queen of Atlantis).
Fallen angels I guess are refered to as demi-gods. I didn't mean a fallen queen.
Ilie_Fusarau
01-12-08, 16:43
Fallen angels I guess are refered to as demi-gods. I didn't mean a fallen queen.
I know what you've meant but she really was the queen of Atlantis.
FomarThain
01-12-08, 16:54
I always thought that is just what she was referred to as she had such vast knowledge about things and had lived so long but I didn't really think of her as a real god, demi or no. I see a god or even demi-god as someone who just knows. Natla, while knowing a great deal, needed other sources to understand how to do this or that.
I see Natla as someone who comes from a highly advanced civilization who perhaps had some knowledge that could be considered god-like but in the end had to rely on other sources for most things. As to her "immortality" I can also see that as something such a civilization could have figured out.
I don't think a god or demi-god would be captured by someone like Amanda either. I didn't/don't see Amanda as a having a very sharp mind.
I could be way off but that’s just the way I see it.
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@Ilie_Fusarau
Your damn avatar gets me every time. :p
Nick56music
01-12-08, 17:22
I think there was this demi-god in TR4 with his hammer. Coincidence?
Natla was just playing with Amanda. In one of the cut seance she burns coordinates into the glass for Lara to go to which means she could of easily melted the glass and escaped.
FomarThain
01-12-08, 18:14
Natla was just playing with Amanda. In one of the cut seance she burns coordinates into the glass for Lara to go to which means she could of easily melted the glass and escaped.
Ah, true I didn't think of it that way. Good call. :)
Natla is an Atlantean god.
Though it would be interesting to see her connected to Nephillim (the original TR1 story was meant to be about Nephillim, but was changed to Atlanteans. Nephillim story was moved to TR6).
Ilie_Fusarau
01-12-08, 19:22
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@Ilie_Fusarau Your damn avatar gets me every time. :p
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Considering Natla was probably older than the humanity, was immortal, had the powers of a god and was once al ruler of Atlantis, l would say Natla was at least a demi god. There is no evidence in the games she had a human parent, so l would say Natla was 100% god.
l doubt Amanda would have made a mistake either, she had Natla caged till Lara let her out, l think Amanda would have left her that way for some time, probably finding a more permanent prison eventually. If Lara had never followed her fathers clues Amanda would have had all Thor's artifacts as well. We do not know if she could have used them or whether or not she was dependant on Natla for the ritual to open Helheim, but l somehow doubt Amanda would have let Natla out of her cage to perform it.
While Natla is immortal she is certainly no real god. She talks about "the gods" in TRA. She says something like: "The gods favour actions over councils." She talks about them in third-person. That means that she isn't a god. She's simply the immortal queen of Atlantis. I don't think there's anything else to her.
As for half-god...could be.
Forum Quorum
01-12-08, 20:48
Is she immortal or is that just something she says?
I think there was this demi-god in TR4 with his hammer. Coincidence?
Yeah, and in TRC, there's one statue with a sword that sends breen blasts, and one statue with a hammer that sends blue blasts. Concidence? :p
Is she immortal or is that just something she says?
She's over 10,000 years old and has survived being stuck in a crystal, a nuclear explosion, a pit of lava, and a collapsing pyramid.
You tell me.
:p
Forum Quorum
01-12-08, 21:00
If she was frozen or in cryostasis or whatever for most of that 10,000 years, they don't count towards her age. As for her escapes, I can think of other explanations other than saying she's immortal. Don't you mean "indestructable" maybe?
All right then, let's take it on face value - believe Natla's "I cannot die" speech. She's one of the three "God-Kings" of Atlantis (according to a TR:A inscription - she's a female, but still classed as a 'God King' not a 'Goddess Queen' for some reason).
If she's immortal as it looks, then it serves to say that so were Qualopec and Tihocan.
Qualopec was never frozen in crystal, yet he arose from his throne in TR:A.
Plus Natla's not technically indestructable since her flesh seems to melt away, and her wings get torn to shreds in the last TR:A battle.
She's definitely immortal and 'unkillable' by any normal means, requiring the use of a magical artifact (Thor's Hammer, the artifact capable of killing immortal gods) to kill her.
Forum Quorum
01-12-08, 21:21
"God-King" could be used like the Egyptians used it; metaphorically. Saying "I cannot die" might just be pompous bravado rather a literal statement of fact.
Qualopec was definitely dead in TR1, and as for TRA I've seen it suggested that it was the suit, not him, that moved. Besides, why would he spend 10,000 years sitting on the same throne in his tomb?
If Thor's hammer kills a god, and Natla is not a god, then it's as likely to kill her by the sheer weight of the thing as by supernatural means.
Lara's home
01-12-08, 21:37
While Natla is immortal she is certainly no real god. She talks about "the gods" in TRA. She says something like: "The gods favour actions over councils." She talks about them in third-person. That means that she isn't a god. She's simply the immortal queen of Atlantis. I don't think there's anything else to her.
As for half-god...could be.
I think she was speaking for gods in general. She 'defended what she did (maiming Qualopec and all) by saying that gods do not council, they take actions.
All right then, let's take it on face value - believe Natla's "I cannot die" speech. She's one of the three "God-Kings" of Atlantis (according to a TR:A inscription - she's a female, but still classed as a 'God King' not a 'Goddess Queen' for some reason).
They never spoke of the 3 God kings either. Every time "god king" was mentioned, was when Lara read the tomb describtion of Qualopec and Tihocan. "Here lies [X], god king of Atlantis".
Am I wrong here? :p
While Natla is immortal she is certainly no real god. She talks about "the gods" in TRA. She says something like: "The gods favour actions over councils." She talks about them in third-person. That means that she isn't a god. She's simply the immortal queen of Atlantis. I don't think there's anything else to her.
As for half-god...could be.
As a god who was putting into action a plan to solve the problem, she might have spoken that way if the other two Atlantean rulers were not gods, at least at the time. Or maybe Natla was just being sarcastic about the other 2 thinking they had the right to judge her, for doing what she considered they were to weak to do. The "gods" could have even been Natla's creations anyway, we do not know how far back in earth history Natla went.
The Norns on the door to Helheim supposedly brought about an end to the golden age of the gods, most myths of the mother goddess have her as part of a triple goddess.This triple goddess has three forms, maiden, mother and crone it is fairly obvious on the door that they are the same person, they even mix the faces together to give us a hint. The white streaked hair on the mother figure is a bit suspicious, although CD changed Amelia's hair in Underworld. That the mother figure was the one who ended up with half the features of a skull, symbolic of Hel could also be significant.
The crone figure is often portrayed as an old woman to show her association to time and death, but she need not actually look old.
We understand at least a little about the Mother and Maiden aspects of the Triple Goddess, but what of the so-called "Crone"? The term "crone" does not originally signify an old woman. Indeed most ancient images of the Triple Goddess do not include an old woman. "Crone" comes from Greek cronos, meaning time. Thus the significance of "Crone" is identical to that of Kali, which comes from Sanskrit kala, also meaning time.
The Dark Mother, the third (or first) Person of the Trinity is often seen, from the human perspective, as Time the Destroyer. It is She who in-breathes all the worlds at the end of time, just as it is She who out-breathes them at time's beginning. She is beyond time and space and the whole of manifestation. She is called "dark" because we, as mortal, time- and space-bound creatures cannot really conceive of Her.
http://www.mother-god.com/triple-goddess.html
Crystal Dynamics could have explained Underworlds story a lot better, instead of answering questions they left a whole pile of new questions. Hopefully they are planning on explaining at least some parts with dlc or maybe some mythology lessons pointing out which way exactly we were meant to take the story.
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