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trXD
19-12-08, 07:11
Im sorry but the signature/avatar restrictions here are absolutley horrendous. Im fine with the avatar size limit and everything but its taking it a bit too far that we cant upload them ourself. The signature problem is even worse, first of all i like to have picture signatures but i have read the response to that and its fair enough (bandwith and all of that). But seriously? 80 characters long? I can barely fit a sentance in there. There is just no need for a limit so small.

Back to the avatars, some might say people could easily upload pornographic images. Say that happens, how long would it last on the forum? With this place being so heavily moderated it would almost be a race to see which moderator bans the account and removes the image first. Maybe a few people see this image in the small amount of time it took to remove it, they are not going to die, they are not going to be upset.

Who else is with me on this? (Im half expecting this thread to get closed)

KurtisandLara
19-12-08, 07:14
Im sorry but the signature/avatar restrictions here are absolutley horrendous. Im fine with the avatar size limit and everything but its taking it a bit too far that we cant upload them ourself. The signature problem is even worse, first of all i like to have picture signatures but i have read the response to that and its fair enough (bandwith and all of that). But seriously? 80 characters long? I can barely fit a sentance in there. There is just no need for a limit so small.

Back to the avatars, some might say people could easily upload pornographic images. Say that happens, how long would it last on the forum? With this place being so heavily moderated it would almost be a race to see which moderator bans the account and removes the image first. Maybe a few people see this image in the small amount of time it took to remove it, they are not going to die, they are not going to be upset.

Who else is with me on this? (Im half expecting this thread to get closed)

I am going to have to agree. i could live with posting my avvy up on a thread to get it on my account. but the 80 character long signature thing is a bit overboard seeing as alot of people like to put TR Quotes in there signature...the quote wont even fit.

~KAL

rowanlim
19-12-08, 07:15
There was a thread about this topic, I think the rules are fine. Having to see pictures on other people's signatures that I do not like will not make my visit here pleasant. Plus you can express a lot with words, you've to choose 'em wisely, is all :)

Angelus
19-12-08, 07:16
I would like the signatures to be longer... maybe 100 characters instead of 80, but I think the avatar system we have is fine.

Although you could say that people who are 18+ can upload their own avatar, but that would start a big fight about mods being ageist...

Actually, start a thread about that. :mis:

trXD
19-12-08, 07:17
There was a thread about this topic, I think the rules are fine. Having to see pictures on other people's signatures that I do not like will not make my visit here pleasant. Plus you can express a lot with words, you've to choose 'em wisely, is all :)
What do you mean by pictures you do not like?

And fair enough if you feel you would only want to express yourself with a few words. But other people may feel differently.

rowanlim
19-12-08, 07:18
I mean no offense but yeah, some people may take to posting pictures which I'd rather not see, so having to scroll down seeing many pictures as such will be annoying. That's just me, I like the simplicity of this forum & the lack of clutter.

KurtisandLara
19-12-08, 07:18
I would like the signatures to be longer... maybe 100 characters instead of 80, but I think the avatar system we have is fine.

Although you could say that people who are 18+ can upload their own avatar, but that would start a big fight about mods being ageist...

Actually, start a thread about that. :mis:

Agree'd to every word.

Archetype
19-12-08, 07:20
There's A LOT of traffic on this forum and allowing pictures to be included in signatures would increase it, that means Justin would have to pay more.

trXD
19-12-08, 07:20
I mean no offense but yeah, some people may take to posting pictures which I'd rather not see, so having to scroll down seeing many pictures as such will be annoying. That's just me, I like the simplicity of this forum & the lack of clutter.
I still dont understand what you mean. The rules would be exactly the same, the only difference is people would upload them by themself.

@Archtype, when refering to picture signatures i said "fair enough" and then went on to talk about the text limit.

rowanlim
19-12-08, 07:22
^I refer to picture signatures. Then there's the question of how to guarantee self-moderation if you upload it by yourself.

About text signatures, I guess a bigger word limit would be nice but then I don't know the technical cons for that, so I'm not sure ;)

I'll stick to the status quo :)

trXD
19-12-08, 07:25
^I refer to picture signatures. Then there's the question of how to guarantee self-moderation if you upload it by yourself.

About text signatures, I guess a bigger word limit would be nice but then I don't know the technical cons for that, so I'm not sure ;)

I'll stick to the status quo :)
I already said i have nothing against the fact that picture signatures arent allowed since there is a good reason for it. And i also already explained the self moderation thing -.-

Do people even read my posts?

rowanlim
19-12-08, 09:07
I already said i have nothing against the fact that picture signatures arent allowed since there is a good reason for it. And i also already explained the self moderation thing -.-

Do people even read my posts?

I mean no offense, perhaps I rushed through your post too quickly, sorry.

But I still think status quo is fine :)

AmericanAssassin
19-12-08, 09:09
I think the character count for signatures should be about 120, but I wouldn't change anything else. I hate forums with picture signatures. ;)

EDIT: I understand that you're fine with the pic rules...

Plastic
19-12-08, 09:13
I'm a bit upset at the rules to. I don't mind the avatar stuff, it's just.... i'm used to having a pic in my sig lol

Quasimodo
19-12-08, 09:16
I loathe picture signatures. It becomes difficult to discern shorter messages from all the extra flim-flam-flash-giffery.

Avatars...I've seen some forums have us host our own avatars. Like you'd go to edit your profile and you'd just enter the address where you've uploaded your avatar to tinpic or wherever and if it fits the size restrictions, you're good to go. If you delete you avatar from your image hosting account, it also goes missing from your profile, so that must mean the images aren't actually stored on the forum's servers.

It'd be lovely to be able to upload our own avatars someday.

Drone
19-12-08, 09:16
I agree 80 chars is too short

:wve:

marla_biggs
19-12-08, 10:42
would be nice to be able to change our own avatars .. but i'm glad we can't have signature pics! loads of people post here, it would be annoying loading everyones images

Shrantellatessa
19-12-08, 10:52
I agree with "signatures word limits too short" and "we should be allowed to upload our own avatars" and I also agree with those who say that "picture signatures would be annoying" coz there are some ppl who use picture signatures as big as a world map :confused: But there is a solution that might suit all, which is the user-bars (signatures); they are tiny, slim, very "cutomizable", can be hosted elsewhere and don't take up much bandwidth.

MrBear
19-12-08, 10:53
I'm wondering, is it because it takes too long to have your avatar changed or is it the 1 change a month that you don't like? You make arguments for self-moderation of avatars, but what is it that you don't like in the first place? Is it not being able to change them yourself that's the problem?

Also, I don't think avatars are that important, but I guess that's just me :p

viper456
19-12-08, 10:55
Pictures in signatures are a complete and utter **** take. People abuse the privilege and it makes the threads look cluttered and difficult to define different posts because of the stupidly sized long list of pictures after each post.

I would like to be able to upload my own avatars but I'm also aware of why we cant:

Bandwidth
People having inappropriate avatars for an all age forum


etc.

Its just the way it is. Im sure Justin has his reasons and at the end of the day its his forum, he made this place and we are guests so you know; deal with it I'm afraid. :ton:

Shrantellatessa
19-12-08, 10:56
I'm wondering, is it because it takes too long to have your avatar changed or is it the 1 change a month that you don't like? You make arguments for self-moderation of avatars, but what is it that you don't like in the first place? Is it not being able to change them yourself that's the problem?

Also, I don't think avatars are that important, but I guess that's just me :p

How many times have you changed your avi since you joined TRF? :p

MrBear
19-12-08, 10:58
Quiet now, Ms. Salwa.... :pi:

Shrantellatessa
19-12-08, 10:59
Quiet now, Ms. Salwa.... :pi:

What a cute answer :vlol:

patriots88888
19-12-08, 11:04
It's all fine and brandy, but it's also a moot point! If and when Justin decides changes should be implemented, they will be. Given the current standings, recent bannings and often problematic occurences on TRF, I doubt anything soon will be changed.

Ada the Mental
19-12-08, 11:07
I'd rather being able to upload an avatar by myself, but I really don't have a problem with the way it is now (posting it on a thread, that is, 'cause when you had to e-mail the avatar, it was a bit of a pain).

I'm glad we don't have picture signatures, they're usually very annoying, unless their size is very small, but, yeah, the text signature limit is way too short! You can't put a decent quote with only 80 characters!

john_york
19-12-08, 11:09
Don't like the rules? There's plenty of other forums out there that have different ones... :whi:

LaraCablara
19-12-08, 11:36
Im sorry but the signature/avatar restrictions here are absolutley horrendous. Im fine with the avatar size limit and everything but its taking it a bit too far that we cant upload them ourself. The signature problem is even worse, first of all i like to have picture signatures but i have read the response to that and its fair enough (bandwith and all of that). But seriously? 80 characters long? I can barely fit a sentance in there. There is just no need for a limit so small.

Back to the avatars, some might say people could easily upload pornographic images. Say that happens, how long would it last on the forum? With this place being so heavily moderated it would almost be a race to see which moderator bans the account and removes the image first. Maybe a few people see this image in the small amount of time it took to remove it, they are not going to die, they are not going to be upset.

Who else is with me on this? (Im half expecting this thread to get closed)

Agreed, but the mods will find a bunch of excuses why this will not work, as usual. What also surprises me is how the tombraiderforums doesn't have even one Tomb Raider theme, all we ever had was one 360 theme that was taken away the day it was put up.

jjbennett
19-12-08, 11:43
^ Whenver the themes issue comes up i always ask if a black or dark them could be made but i don't think it will ever happen, i just prefer the screen to be darker so its easier on the eyes you know.

As for the avatars, the size is fine, size limit maybe is a little small, 12 or 15k would mean a lot of people wouldn't have to compress images and loose quality.

Signatures, i don't really read them anyway, most peoples are non-sense and the ones i try to come up with (ie funny) are short enough for the limit. Pictures in sigs is a pain in the backside though, we don't need that.

Encore
19-12-08, 11:44
Im sorry but the signature/avatar restrictions here are absolutley horrendous. Im fine with the avatar size limit and everything but its taking it a bit too far that we cant upload them ourself. The signature problem is even worse, first of all i like to have picture signatures but i have read the response to that and its fair enough (bandwith and all of that). But seriously? 80 characters long? I can barely fit a sentance in there. There is just no need for a limit so small.

Back to the avatars, some might say people could easily upload pornographic images. Say that happens, how long would it last on the forum? With this place being so heavily moderated it would almost be a race to see which moderator bans the account and removes the image first. Maybe a few people see this image in the small amount of time it took to remove it, they are not going to die, they are not going to be upset.

Who else is with me on this? (Im half expecting this thread to get closed)

I'm gonna agree with you here. Specially the character (and formatting) limit in the signature, it's downright ridiculous if you ask me. :p And an avatar changing thread? It's just more work for the mods. The risk of someone uploading pornographic images, well, I've been in other forums without the restriction and such a thing has never happened. But whatever...

There is worst though. In the Superhero Hype forums your avatar's size in pixels and kb is subject to your POST COUNT. :eek:

patriots88888
19-12-08, 12:12
Agreed, but the mods will find a bunch of excuses why this will not work, as usual. What also surprises me is how the tombraiderforums doesn't have even one Tomb Raider theme, all we ever had was one 360 theme that was taken away the day it was put up.

Mods only enforce the rules, they don't make them. Your issue lies with the one who does make the rules. (I'm probably gonna take a lot of slack in the "kissing up mode" for that one). It is what it is. Like them or not, rules are rules.

Lee croft
19-12-08, 12:19
isnt a aviter a bit like a picture signature

Ampersand
19-12-08, 12:20
I'd prefer to be able to upload avatars myself, since I'm an iconaholic that likes to change often, but I can understand why the current system is in place. Fine by me, imo.

Lee croft
19-12-08, 12:22
I'd prefer to be able to upload avatars myself, since I'm an iconaholic that likes to change often, but I can understand why the current system is in place. Fine by me, imo.

explain because i dont know why it is

Ampersand
19-12-08, 12:24
explain because i dont know why it is

It's a closely moderated family forum, and people can be stupid. I guess. D:

Legend of Lara
19-12-08, 12:32
I'm fine with the rules. Slightly increasing the signature limit would be the only thing on my "wishlist".

Rileigh
19-12-08, 12:37
I think I said all I wanted in mah siggie. Wouldn't hurt to have the character count increased somewhat though. Pleaseth, I have cherries but no sugar :/

As for avi's, it is annoying....especially when any inappropriate images will result in a banned account ina blink of an eye...

But I like that you have to keep it for so long, I hate peepsies who change their avi's every other day.

Paddy
19-12-08, 12:38
I still dont understand what you mean. The rules would be exactly the same, the only difference is people would upload them by themself.

@Archtype, when refering to picture signatures i said "fair enough" and then went on to talk about the text limit.

I think she means she may not like the pictures in people sigs. Wouldnt be a great thing to see all the time at a forum if the pics in sigs are unpleasant.

mizuno_suisei
19-12-08, 12:43
Eugh I hate picture signatures, takes so long to load pages. I also think they should implement a thumbnail rule, so all pictures posted on any post/thread must be in thumbnail link form, It takes like 20minutes for the TRF Members thread to load and it just sucks.

About the self-avatar uploading, its a good idea, but Im sure it would be used innapropriately which is a shame.

Ikas90
19-12-08, 12:46
I don't think members uploading pornographic avatars is the biggest issue. To change your avatar only once every 28 days saves a lot of bandwidth. If there were no restrictions, people would be uploading new avatars everyday.

Some forums can handle that kind of bandwidth. This one doesn't.

Also, pictures in signatures could be an annoyance. Slow loading pages and constant scrolling up and down.

Minty Mouth
19-12-08, 12:47
We should be able to upload our own avatars.

On countless other forums I visit, no one ever posts pornagraphic images for avatars, who would? Its just a picture, and you could still enforfce the size limit easily. There is no reason to stop us from uploading our own avatars. Its just extra uneccesary work for Moderators. Stop being so over-Paranoid.

We should be allowed picture sigs too. If you include an option to turn them off, youve no reason to argue against them...

petujaymz
19-12-08, 12:51
I don't see why we can't upload our own avatars.

Our posts are already moderated; the mods would just have to keep an eye on our avatars too.

I want the filesize limit increased 'n' all (at least doubled).

My Chun Lis would look soooo much better.

:wve:

disneyprincess20
19-12-08, 12:55
I would be nice to have a higher character limit in the signatures, maybe 160 over two lines, or even 200. That would be my only suggestion. :)

Paddy
19-12-08, 12:56
I don't see why we can't upload our own avatars.

Our posts are already moderated; the mods would just have to keep an eye on our avatars too.

I want the filesize limit increased 'n' all (at least doubled).

My Chun Lis would look soooo much better.

:wve:

True but would it benefit having them do more work, they do enough as it is.

trXD
19-12-08, 13:06
True but would it benefit having them do more work, they do enough as it is.

Keeping an eye out for pornographic avatars isnt work.

Uploading avatars requested from people is though.

Paddy
19-12-08, 13:07
True depending on which way you look at it.

Lee croft
19-12-08, 13:08
vote for bigger aivters aswell !!!

Mad Tony
19-12-08, 13:09
I've never understood why you can't upload your own avatar here. Every single other forum I've ever been to lets you do that and they've had no problems.

petujaymz
19-12-08, 13:10
True but would it benefit having them do more work, they do enough as it is.

Keeping an eye out for pornographic avatars isnt work.

Uploading avatars requested from people is though.

Exactly...

An inappropriate avatar would stand out a mile.

It would be removed within minutes.

:wve:

Punaxe
19-12-08, 13:13
Isn't it possible to upload your own avatar pending approval? Doesn't vBulletin have a system for that?

If not, keep it like it is, because even the few minutes of exposure indecent pictures will have would be too much for some of the visitors here and simply give the entire forum a bad reputation.

About the signatures... I agree it might be a little short, but I like it nice and clean, and the shorter the signatures the cleaner it is :p So I'm not complaining.

trXD
19-12-08, 13:26
I've never understood why you can't upload your own avatar here. Every single other forum I've ever been to lets you do that and they've had no problems.

Indeed, that's pretty much the jist of what im trying to get across in this thread.

Nefertiti_89
19-12-08, 13:26
I've never understood why you can't upload your own avatar here. Every single other forum I've ever been to lets you do that and they've had no problems.

I think this is the first one of your posts I've agreed with 100%! Its good to know we can agree on something!

I'm a member at modthesims2.com and its just as diverse a community as this one, we upload our own avatars, and while the size limit is ridiculously small, they never have issues with people uploading inappropriate images.

The same goes for the forum where my boyfriend is a moderator, they havent had issues with inappropriate images, and once again it is a very diverse community.

Signature limit is ridiculous, and avatar size could be increased a bit, I lose so much quality having to condense it down that small.

da tomb raider!
19-12-08, 13:29
I'm more than happy with the signature and avatar rules on these forums. :wve:

Logie 12 =]
19-12-08, 13:52
I agree :)

Encore
19-12-08, 15:00
About the self-avatar uploading, its a good idea, but Im sure it would be used innapropriately which is a shame.

You're sure? Most forums out there have avatar uploading features, I don't understand how TRF only is so prone to being abused... Are we all pervs here? :p

Angelus
19-12-08, 15:10
You're sure? Most forums out there have avatar uploading features, I don't understand how TRF only is so prone to being abused... Are we all pervs here? :p

Exactly!

It's not like we're all porn fiends on here... and if an inappropriate avatar was uploaded then it would be taken down within hours... even minutes.

Legends
19-12-08, 15:34
This is how it works on this forum, if you're not satisfied with it go somewhere else they do things differently or apply to those rules that are set here. Avatars and signatures are all about personalization, not about posting wallpapers. You can still do that with those rules we have here, you just need to be creative. Fonts should be enabled in signatures maybe, but that's all. I get annoyed by those forums that have like 2000kb limit in both avatar and signature sizes.. The page loads slower, and I think a forum doesn't need all that stuff. You can put that on your online dating page.

Encore
19-12-08, 15:40
This is how it works on this forum, if you're not satisfied with it go somewhere else they do things differently or apply to those rules that are set here. Avatars and signatures are all about personalization, not about posting wallpapers. You can still do that with those rules we have here, you just need to be creative. Fonts should be enabled in signatures maybe, but that's all. I get annoyed by those forums that have like 2000kb limit in both avatar and signature sizes.. The page loads slower, and I think a forum doesn't need all that stuff. You can put that on your online dating page.

Lol you really think we would all leave the forum just because we want other avvies and sigs? :rolleyes: This thread exists because we like it here and would like to improve some things. If you disagree that's fine but saying "love it or leave it" is a bit rude. :wve:

Minty Mouth
19-12-08, 15:42
Lol you really think we would all leave the forum just because we want other avvies and sigs? :rolleyes: This thread exists because we like it here and would like to improve some things. If you disagree that's fine but saying "love it or leave it" is a bit rude. :wve:

Exactly. Such insignificant things sich as avatars and signatures are staples of internet forums, and really dont need this much discussion. But It really would make things easier for everyone, with no real reprocussions. It's a no-brainer.

Anajrob
19-12-08, 15:50
I would be nice to have a higher character limit in the signatures, maybe 160 over two lines, or even 200. That would be my only suggestion. :)

Ditto. I don't like picture signatures because the page would look really ugly and cluttered.

Minty Mouth
19-12-08, 15:52
Ditto. I don't like picture signatures because the page would look really ugly and cluttered.

Well then you can turn them off in User CP. It wont affect you. :) While other members of the forum can have a better experience :tmb:

Legends
19-12-08, 15:54
Lol you really think we would all leave the forum just because we want other avvies and sigs? :rolleyes: This thread exists because we like it here and would like to improve some things. If you disagree that's fine but saying "love it or leave it" is a bit rude. :wve:
This thread was created just as rudely as I just was. Not everyone phrases sentences as you do, but I think more should, at least if they want something changed. There is one thing asking for change, there is a totally different thing to first mock something and then demand it.

Neteru
19-12-08, 15:54
Such insignificant things sich as avatars and signatures are staples of internet forums,Yeah, and with them being changed so frequently by most members, and more frequently if they could they're really significant. ...

Members are generally as attached to their avatars as they are to a piece of gum they chew for ten minutes and then spit out.

CuteKittenlol
19-12-08, 15:57
Well, i'm okay with it..like i don't have sigs (or very rarely anyways), and the avatar system isn't a bother either XD

ajrich17901
19-12-08, 15:58
I think we should be able to upload out own avatars also, i find it annoyin we can only change out avatar every 28 days

SamReeves
19-12-08, 15:59
I think it's time to deregulate TRF. I would like to have my own avatar control panel, and a longer text signature.

Minty Mouth
19-12-08, 16:01
Yeah, and with them being changed so frequently by most members, and more frequently if they could they're really significant. ...

Members are generally as attached to their avatars as they are to a piece of gum they chew for ten minutes and then spit out.

Im sorry...I dont understand what you mean :confused: (Bold Part)

I recognise that members of some forums do change their avatars a lot, so I know where you are coming from there (That could be the reason that we are not allowed to do so) but its their avatar, surely thay can do what they want with it? Taking away the right to change it takes away alot of the point of having it, so it can represent you.

Im not really complaining. Im happy with my avatar and dont want to change it that often, so Im not really crusading for the change, it just makes sense to me.

Mr.Burns
19-12-08, 16:08
One of the problems with letting members change their avatars is that some people here aren't mature enough to abide by our terms and conditions, which were laid out to keep this a friendly and safe environment for all visitors and members. It's easier for us to moderate those that need it. Remember, it only takes one bad apple to spoil the bunch. Personally I don't see the need to constantly change avatars, it should be a representation of who you are, not something that's changed like a dirty diaper.

Fdx Croft
19-12-08, 16:11
mmmhhhmmm... well, im not going to lie... sometimes its a little bit hard to create an avatar with the dimensions you want, but with the right size (kbs)... but i think its a good thing... internet loads pages o this forum faster, and i dont see the need of allowing to post images instead of signatures... words are better!

Geck-o-Lizard
19-12-08, 16:13
*keels over laughing* :vlol: :vlol:

Back in my day, avatars were http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/4995/thissizerj1.gif, chosen from a library of images updated infrequently, and your location field was the best you had for a sig.

I HATE HATE HATE forums where users' sigs are eighty times bigger than their actual posts, and flashing images are everywhere. It's hideous.

Neteru
19-12-08, 16:15
To Minty. My point is they're not significant to most because they get changed so often. And would be changed more often if members could. If an avatar really was that significant to someone personally, they'd stick with it for longer, if not permanently.

Where avatars are concerned, most members are fickle and change their minds at the drop of a hat. One can hardly say that is emblematic of having a significant and personal attachment to them. So, from this point of view, I find it risible to demand more and better for things that largely mean little to nothing.

As to the general question of being able to upload avatars, you'd be surprised at how many inappropriate requests we do get. Firstly, not all requests are made publicly, I get enough via PM too. Secondly, members don't see all the requests posted in the thread that are deleted by us, some of which are inappropriate.

Moreover, if members were able to upload and uploaded something inappropriate, and there is no doubt in my mind that it would happen because I already fire off enough PM's and take further action as it is by the myriad of inappropriate posts, I can already see the cries of 'I was banned unfairly' and 'OMGZ I was banned because of my avatar that sux'.

Encore
19-12-08, 16:15
I can't see what's so offensive about changing our avatar, I mean, we're not the exact same person all our lives, and our avatars might just illustrate ourselves or our interests at a given time. That said, I don't really mind the one month limitation, I just think it should be left for the user's choice since most forums are.

But anyways, what is the official explanation for the character and formatting limitations on the signature? :confused:

Mad Tony
19-12-08, 16:22
I can't see what's so offensive about changing our avatar, I mean, we're not the exact same person all our lives, and our avatars might just illustrate ourselves or our interests at a given time. That said, I don't really mind the one month limitation, I just think it should be left for the user's choice since most forums are.

But anyways, what is the official explanation for the character and formatting limitations on the signature? :confused:Wow, I agree with every singe post you've made so far in this thread. :tmb: Strange things are afoot :p

Minty Mouth
19-12-08, 16:24
To Minty. My point is they're not significant to most because they get changed so often. And would be changed more often if members could. If an avatar really was that significant to someone personally, they'd stick with it for longer, if not permanently.

Where avatars are concerned, most members are fickle and change their minds at the drop of a hat. One can hardly say that is emblematic of having a significant and personal attachment to them. So, from this point of view, I find it risible to demand more and better for things that largely mean little to nothing.

As to the general question of being able to upload avatars, you'd be surprised at how many inappropriate requests we do get. Firstly, not all requests are made publicly, I get enough via PM too. Secondly, members don't see all the requests posted in the thread that are deleted by us, some of which are inappropriate.

Moreover, if members were able to upload and uploaded something inappropriate, and there is no doubt in my mind that it would happen because I already fire off enough PM's and take further action as it is by the myriad of inappropriate posts, I can already see the cries of 'I was banned unfairly' and 'OMGZ I was banned because of my avatar that sux'.

Thanks :) :tmb:

Youre right, I wasnt really aware of how many inapropriate requests you get, this is a big forum, (Worth Millions of Pounds aparrently) so there are bound to be lots of younger members...

Maybe there could be some sort of system, if youve had more then a certain amount of qualitative posts or something (or is that imopossible on V Bulletin?)

Anyway its not important. I guess it is the same reasoning behind not having images in signatures?

trXD
19-12-08, 16:29
This thread was created just as rudely as I just was.

-.-

Im not being rude at all. Im expressing my opinion that the signature/avatar rules and why i think they should be changed. And your posts seem to be misguided. I dont think anybody here is arguing about avatar restrictions (other than not being able to upload them yourself).

I care only about the signature character restriction (and have seen no excuses for that) and not being able to upload avatars. All other forums do this naturally and have absolutely no problems. I was having a conversation on the final fantasy forum once when i introduced myself and i mentioned that in my other forum there was an 80 character limit for signatures and you had to request avatars and i got responses like "lol that's just weird dude". Which is what drove me to create such a thread.

Neteru
19-12-08, 16:29
I can't see what's so offensive about changing our avatar

I don't think there is anything offensive about changing your avatar ... generally. What I'm addressing is the demands for more and better for things that generally mean nothing and are so minor and irrelevant for the most part.

But anyways, what is the official explanation for the character and formatting limitations on the signature? :confused:

A matter of how the votes went:

Anyway its not important. I guess it is the same reasoning behind not having images in signatures?We have had polls in the past and members have always decided that they do not want picture signatures. They always favoured what we have now.

xMiSsCrOfTx
19-12-08, 16:32
It would be a lot more convenient if we could upload our own avatars, but the system we have now suffices. If anyone uploaded one that was inappropriate, I'm sure we wouldn't have to worry about it not being reported within a few minutes, anyways. :whi:

Encore
19-12-08, 16:38
Wow, I agree with every singe post you've made so far in this thread. :tmb: Strange things are afoot :p

Lol.. Wow, this thread has already made history! :D


@Neteru:
I think that's a false argument (the "important" avatars thingie). And cleverly built too, but still false. :p People who like to change their avatars often would want the rules to change, not because they care so much for their avvies, but, simply because they want to be less limited when choosing it (since it's suposed to be a personal thing). There's not much to it, really. And I still don't see what makes TRF so special that the rules have to be diferent here.

Regarding signatures: I still don't understand why is there a character number limit or why one can't use bold, italic, or colour tags.

I know, I'm just being a pain in the ass now, but someone has to. :D

Hybrid Soldier
19-12-08, 16:42
I just wish there were more characters. I usually like having pictures in my signature.. but i understand it has to do with the bandwidth. However, the 80 character limit is not a lot.

Neteru
19-12-08, 16:46
I think that's a false argument (the "important" avatars thingie). And cleverly built too, but still false. :p People who like to change their avatars often would want the rules to change, not because they care so much for their avvies, but, simply because they want to be less limited when choosing it (since it's suposed to be a personal thing).

It's not false. My point there is directed to the specific notion of avatars being special alone. I haven't actually addressed the issue of simply wanting the ability to change it themselves other than my points on the possibility of inappropriate avatars.

Regarding signatures: I still don't understand why is there a character number limit or why one can't use bold, italic, or colour tags.

I can't say with accuracy because I can't remember for certain, but I think that these things couldn't be implemented in signatures. And I can't remember the reason for the character length, but it might have been something to do with going some way towards making sure a single typed line remained on one line instead of auto-returning because the page wasn't wide enough for a longer signature ... but don't quote me on that.

I know, I'm just being a pain in the ass now, but someone has to. :DYou're not being a pain in the arse at all.

Feather Duster
19-12-08, 16:47
I'm fine with everything except the 28 day limit :wve:

ajrich17901
19-12-08, 16:49
I dont care about the signatures i dont even use them, but i want more control over my avatar options.

Encore
19-12-08, 17:03
It's not false. My point there is directed to the specific notion of avatars being special alone. I haven't actually addressed the issue of simply wanting the ability to change it themselves other than my points on the possibility of inappropriate avatars.



I can't say with accuracy because I can't remember for certain, but I think that these things couldn't be implemented in signatures. And I can't remember the reason for the character length, but it might have been something to do with going some way towards making sure a single typed line remained on one line instead of auto-returning because the page wasn't wide enough for a longer signature ... but don't quote me on that.



OK I understand.. I wonder if that could be changed now (the sig) but, it's true, it's probably not THAT important anyway.

I still think the way of changing avatars should be changed but that should be decided by the mods or maybe through a poll.

ajrich17901
19-12-08, 17:03
OK I understand.. I wonder if that could be changed now (the sig) but, it's true, it's probably not THAT important anyway.

I still think the way of changing avatars should be changed but that should be decided by the mods or maybe through a poll.

I think a poll would do nicely:)

Crafty
19-12-08, 18:08
There is no question on bandwidth, the pictures are not saved on the server where the forum is hosted unless this is the only one that does, the only thing that is hosted is the link, this is just like your "written" signature. I myself see absolutely no reason why this is restricted. I feel quite naked without one.:(
Anyway, whatever anyone say I feel this is a bit like IRON FIST control, but hey what do I know.:p

If you find below set offensive:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v304/dukeofhazard/My%20Signatures/CraftyAv.png
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v304/dukeofhazard/My%20Signatures/CraftySiG.png
Then.....http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v304/dukeofhazard/Smilies/beee.gif:jmp::jmp::jmp::jmp:

Encore
19-12-08, 18:13
^ I think the major problem at least with pictures in signatures, is that the pages would probably take much longer to load for us users, or sometimes even get all distorted in size because of one smart-ass using a gigantic picture as his sig (I seen this in other forums and it really annoys me how people can't keep it small and clean so that everyone can enjoy the feature...).

tlr online
19-12-08, 18:14
Thanks for your comments so far. We're always interested in feedback from you folk. The current restrictions ensure the threads remain clutter free and load promptly. The focus should be on what you folk have to say, rather than distracting images littering your posts. We also polled folk some time ago, and we went with the majority.

Crafty
19-12-08, 18:19
You can always restrict the size of avatar and signature and many, many forums I frequent do this.;)

ajrich17901
19-12-08, 18:33
Thanks for your comments so far. We're always interested in feedback from you folk. The current restrictions ensure the threads remain clutter free and load promptly. The focus should be on what you folk have to say, rather than distracting images littering your posts. We also polled folk some time ago, and we went with the majority.

Can we have another poll by chance?:)

mau3genius
19-12-08, 18:33
Maybe when I was here more frequently I would've agreed with part of your post, but, not now.
I'm totally cool with the size limits and the time restriction on avatars. As for the signature, however, I *would* like it to be a little longer. But image signatures suck. If they were implemented, it should be like a 450x50 limit or something like that. Anything bigger would look horrendous and distracting

Forwen
19-12-08, 18:35
Oh, if my opinion actually matters then it is thus: I'm absolutely AGAINST pictures in sigs. They clutter the place, lengthen the loading times and remind me of ad overload, something I hate. Not to mention that one-liner posts followed by a spamfest of sig banners I'm not interested in break flow. There's something wrong about posts having sigs longer and more elaborate than the contents.

Endow
19-12-08, 18:36
We already have the power to post inappropriate pics in our posts so I don't get the argument in favor of mod avatar-control. That's the only thing I'd change really.

Signatures are fine like they are now (even though they have a strange length limit).

Larson_1988
19-12-08, 18:43
As Endow already has pointed out members still can post inappropriate pics, though it's strongly recommended not to! So i don't get the avatar thing. It could just be removed as much as the post(s) with inappropriate pics.

On another note, the signatures can stay as it is. No images at all, it just clutter up the forum with unnecessary loading. What i would like to see is enabling of fonts/colors in signatures and a tad longer. :)

iamlaracroft
19-12-08, 19:38
I've no issue with the current avatar restrictions and I have to say I'm quite thankful that we don't have picture signatures.
But I have struggled to find quotes of reasonable length that fit the 80 character length limit.
I've shortened words like "you" into "u", used ampersands instead of typing out the word "and". . . that never looks pretty ;)

I'd love an extension of the signature character length, that's all :wve: :)

Nefertiti_89
19-12-08, 21:50
Where avatars are concerned, most members are fickle and change their minds at the drop of a hat. One can hardly say that is emblematic of having a significant and personal attachment to them. So, from this point of view, I find it risible to demand more and better for things that largely mean little to nothing.

As to the general question of being able to upload avatars, you'd be surprised at how many inappropriate requests we do get. Firstly, not all requests are made publicly, I get enough via PM too. Secondly, members don't see all the requests posted in the thread that are deleted by us, some of which are inappropriate.

Moreover, if members were able to upload and uploaded something inappropriate, and there is no doubt in my mind that it would happen because I already fire off enough PM's and take further action as it is by the myriad of inappropriate posts, I can already see the cries of 'I was banned unfairly' and 'OMGZ I was banned because of my avatar that sux'.

Is there any way you can set vb to only let avatar changes occur every 28days? That could be an option to eliminate the problem of constant avatar changes.

Also, perhaps it could be a right we have to earn, as mentioned before, we may have to make a number of quality posts, and/or be over the age of 18 or something along those lines?

And for the people that abuse the privelidge...well if they get banned its their own fault, they knew better, and I think the majority of us here would have less than no sympathy for them.

I think another poll would be great too:)

LaraCablara
19-12-08, 22:04
I don't understand why there are never any mods that ever agree with something that is suggested to change the forums a bit.

Mr.Burns
19-12-08, 22:07
Because in many cases, it would require even more work put on our plates than what we have currently. I know a lot of people assume that problems won't arise or will be minimal but from our perspective, it's the opposite. In an ideal world, I wouldn't mind members being able to upload their avatars but we see too much potential for abuse here. Besides, as Neteru pointed out, for some people, an avatar is changed like a dirty diaper. Too often.

LaraCablara
19-12-08, 22:11
Because in many cases, it would require even more work put on our plates than what we have currently. I know a lot of people assume that problems won't arise or will be minimal but from our perspective, it's the opposite. In an ideal world, I wouldn't mind members being able to upload their avatars but we see too much potential for abuse here. Besides, as Neteru pointed out, for some people, an avatar is changed like a dirty diaper. Too often.

Isn't there a feature that allows avatars to be changed every 28 days or so?
It would be nice if Justin ran a test run and let us upload our own avatars for awhile to see what happens.

Quasimodo
19-12-08, 22:13
Because in many cases, it would require even more work put on our plates than what we have currently. I know a lot of people assume that problems won't arise or will be minimal but from our perspective, it's the opposite. In an ideal world, I wouldn't mind members being able to upload their avatars but we see too much potential for abuse here. Besides, as Neteru pointed out, for some people, an avatar is changed like a dirty diaper. Too often.
What's wrong with wanting to change one's avatar often?

iamlaracroft
19-12-08, 22:16
^ I think it has something to do with exhausting the server with bandwith demands?
I dunno :confused:

SamReeves
19-12-08, 22:16
I'd have to say the predictions of avatar mania are pure http://i42.************/25jky6r.jpg.

Angelus
19-12-08, 22:17
What's wrong with wanting to change one's avatar often?

THEY JUST DON'T WANT YOU TO, OKAY!? STOP ASKING SO MANY QUESTIONS! We don't want you to disappear like the others did... :mis:

iamlaracroft
19-12-08, 22:19
^ :vlol: :vlol: :vlol:

Don't be a hero, Quasi! Don't blow the whistle of rebellion!

Quasimodo
19-12-08, 22:23
I'd have to say the predictions of avatar mania are pure http://i42.************/25jky6r.jpg.

I agree. Sorry to sound like a broken record, but like others have said

* 99.99% of others forums on the interwebz let users change their own avvies, no problems

*We still have the ability to post inappropriate pics outside of avatars. Do we need to have similar checkpoints for fan art and all other images before we're allowed to use them?

I have yet to see a satisfactory explanation. And you've really got to wonder why TRF seems to need these safegaurds that most other forums don't.

tlr online
19-12-08, 22:31
Let me address the avatar issue, because there is a very simple reason for this.

Avatars are stored within our database. And our database is very very busy!

1. There's nothing to stop anyone uploading a 20Mb avatar.
2. There's nothing to stop anyone attempting to upload a 200Mb (or larger!) avatar and in turn causing extremely high CPU load.

So, rather than risk any potential issues with performance on our dedicated server, and until I am 100% certain a mistake (or potential attack) will not cripple our forum, we will continue to manage your avatars for you.

Regarding time frame for changing your avatar, this is something you will need to discuss with Neteru and Mona, who do most of the work.

LaraCablara
19-12-08, 22:41
Let me address the avatar issue, because there is a very simple reason for this.

Avatars are stored within our database. And our database is very very busy!

1. There's nothing to stop anyone uploading a 20Mb avatar.
2. There's nothing to stop anyone attempting to upload a 200Mb (or larger!) avatar and in turn causing extremely high CPU load.

So, rather than risk any potential issues with performance on our dedicated server, and until I am 100% certain a mistake (or potential attack) will not cripple our forum, we will continue to manage your avatars for you.

Regarding time frame for changing your avatar, this is something you will need to discuss with Neteru and Mona, who do most of the work.

If you never actually tried letting us upload our own avatar, how do you know if something horribly wrong will happen.

Benguitar
19-12-08, 22:43
I am perfectly fine with the avatar sizes and restrictions.

I think it makes TRF look very orderly and clean.

Not to mention that since the avatars are somewhat small they don't slow down loading time or TRF's servers.


~Ben

tlr online
19-12-08, 22:43
If you never actually tried letting us upload our own avatar, how do you know if something horribly wrong will happen.
I have run offline tests on a local server and successfully crashed it.

I'll say again. There's nothing sinister about our avatar rule. It's a practical rule designed to maintained the integrity of our web server.

Hairhelmet12
19-12-08, 22:44
Im with you there trXD, it wish we could put a picture as our sig or atleased make 80char longer its annoying i had to take some stuff out of mine, well my other one that was

"The cool-aid on your hands, Do you believe thay where spilled for the good of all man?

i had to shorten that ALOT...

but the whole thing with avi's im cool with the size but the not letting us upload our self? come on...

LaraCablara
19-12-08, 22:46
I have run offline tests on a local server and successfully crashed it.

I'll say again. There's nothing sinister about our avatar rule. It's a practical rule design to maintained the integrity of our web server.

Oh, well its good to know you at least ran a test :)

But what about the signatures? I don't have any problems with them because I never use them, but I'm sure a lot of people do.

KurtisandLara
19-12-08, 22:49
I dont mind the avatars but the siggy can maybe be at least 100 characters? If not we'll live :p.

tlr online
19-12-08, 22:53
But what about the signatures? I don't have any problems with them because I never use them, but I'm sure a lot of people do.

We have previously polled forum members and arrived at our present rule set.

This is our forum folks. Love it or hate it, we do our best to provide you with a good, free service and promote a friendly community. We do try to appease as many as possible and maintain a workable set of conditions. There will always be pockets who feel jilted or ignored, but that is never our intention. :)

Benguitar
19-12-08, 22:54
I dont mind the avatars but the siggy can maybe be at least 100 characters? If not we'll live :p.

Exactly. :) :wve:


~Ben

maximum_123
19-12-08, 22:54
We have previously polled forum members and arrived at our present rule set.

This is our forum folks. Love it or hate it, we do our best to provide you with a good, free service and promote a friendly community. We do try to appease as many as possible. There will always be pockets who feel jilted or ignored, but that is never our intention.

And to be honest, avatars and signatures have never been a necessity.

Hairhelmet12
19-12-08, 22:54
Why dont we have a nother Trl?

Since it seems that most of the peoples Opinions have changed, cant we have another?

just croft
19-12-08, 22:59
I have no objections to the current avatar rules, as for any wish of change... well in the near future it would be nice to increase the max avatar size to something like 15kb I sometimes get anoyed becuase my avatars are saved in eighter 11kb and are great of 3kb and suck. but that's not something I gunna cry over ;)

About the "Uploading our own avatars" topic, I'm totaly against it. I'm not a saint, but I do like a nice ambience, and that does not envolve some immature members uploading less nice avatars (whichever it's theme might be)....

tlr online
19-12-08, 23:00
I have no objections to the current avatar rules, as for any wish of change... well in the near future it would be nice to increase the max avatar size to something like 15kb I sometimes get anoyed becuase my avatars are saved in eighter 11kb and are great of 3kb and suck. but that's not something I gunna cry over ;)

I would be more than happy to increase the avatar weight to 15K. :)

Hairhelmet12
19-12-08, 23:02
I would be more than happy to increase the avatar weight to 15K. :)

that would be great!

what about Pics for sigs? did you reply on that?

KurtisandLara
19-12-08, 23:03
Pics in sigs arent that great because its kinda of just like avvys would take up alot of room.

Larson_1988
19-12-08, 23:04
what about Pics for sigs? did you reply on that?

It's been said numerous times in this thread. This was voted on before and the decision that is today about image in signatures are infact voted by your fellow members. :)

KurtisandLara
19-12-08, 23:05
Yeah what he said :p

Hairhelmet12
19-12-08, 23:06
It's been said numerous times in this thread. This was voted on before and the decision that is today about image in signatures are infact voted by your fellow members. :)

ah, ok then :D

nicola1986
19-12-08, 23:06
TBH I don't see the point in pics in signatures, you get an avatar for stuff like that. They take up a lot of space on the screen, a lot of time loading and can be annoying, I don't want to have to wait for everyone's pictures to load before I can properly view a page if connection is low.

tlr online
19-12-08, 23:06
that would be great!

what about Pics for sigs? did you reply on that?

The majority have already spoken on this issue and text-based signatures are now applicable. It would be fruitless to poll members and then repeatedly challenge their collective decision because of minority complaint.

tlr online
19-12-08, 23:15
TBH I don't see the point in pics in signatures, you get an avatar for stuff like that. They take up a lot of space on the screen, a lot of time loading and can be annoying, I don't want to have to wait for everyone's pictures to load before I can properly view a page if connection is low.

I completely agree with you. If I had my way, I would disable signatures completely. I think they clutter posts and detract attention away from the whole point of opening a thread in the first place... i.e. reading what someone has to say.

Even worse, having a thead time out because a web server hosting an image has gone down and the browser is waiting for the image to load before the rest of the thread loads. :hea:

KurtisandLara
19-12-08, 23:19
I completely agree with you. If I had my way, I would disable signatures completely. I think they clutter posts and detract attention away from the whole point of opening a thread in the first place... i.e. reading what someone has to say.

Even worse, having a thead time out because a web server hosting an image has gone down and the browser is waiting for the image to load before the rest of the thread loads.

I agree with you there. When im reading a post and see a picture in the post it bugs me cuz my eyes keep moving down looking at the picture and distracting me and i loose my place in the post (if it was a long post)

Logie 12 =]
19-12-08, 23:28
i think we should be allowed :

maximum of 1-3 smilies in our signature

Upload a avatar that you want no problem! then it automatically resizes


and one thing i have always wanted on this forum a default font so everytime you dont have to go through the same process

edit: i think you should be able to keep a thread that you want to watch at the top of the page.
:(

Quasimodo
19-12-08, 23:31
;3323856']i think we should be allowed :

maximum of 1-3 smilies in our signature

Upload a avatar that you want no problem! then it automatically resizes


and one thing i have always wanted on this forum a default font so everytime you dont have to go through the same process
:(
I've wondered sometimes whether there's already a feature for that or people just manually apply fonts and colors to every single post they make.


back on topic...15kb limit sounds uber cool!

Encore
19-12-08, 23:39
Let me address the avatar issue, because there is a very simple reason for this.

Avatars are stored within our database. And our database is very very busy!

1. There's nothing to stop anyone uploading a 20Mb avatar.
2. There's nothing to stop anyone attempting to upload a 200Mb (or larger!) avatar and in turn causing extremely high CPU load.

So, rather than risk any potential issues with performance on our dedicated server, and until I am 100% certain a mistake (or potential attack) will not cripple our forum, we will continue to manage your avatars for you.

Regarding time frame for changing your avatar, this is something you will need to discuss with Neteru and Mona, who do most of the work.

That is the first reasonable explanation I've read. :p However, many places (deviantART for example) set a size limit in KB for your avatar uploads, the system doesn't accept it if it's above the limit. Wouldn't it be possible (if you guys wanted it, that is) to implement this feature?

irjudd
19-12-08, 23:42
Pff it was 5kb when I uploaded my last avatar! Now that was annoying to get done with transparency.

Endow
20-12-08, 00:00
Let me address the avatar issue, because there is a very simple reason for this.

Avatars are stored within our database. And our database is very very busy!

1. There's nothing to stop anyone uploading a 20Mb avatar.
2. There's nothing to stop anyone attempting to upload a 200Mb (or larger!) avatar and in turn causing extremely high CPU load.

So, rather than risk any potential issues with performance on our dedicated server, and until I am 100% certain a mistake (or potential attack) will not cripple our forum, we will continue to manage your avatars for you.

Regarding time frame for changing your avatar, this is something you will need to discuss with Neteru and Mona, who do most of the work.



Can't remember how vBulettin deals with it but I posted in numerous phpBB forums where it checks the size of your avatar prior to the upload. And there are other restrictions like "JPEG only" or pixel limits etc There are modifications too. At least for phpBB.

EDIT: Basically, what Encore said.

Flyin11
20-12-08, 00:26
The size doesn't bother me at all...I just don't like having to wait 28 days before you can even change your avatar :( All the boards I have ever been on allow you to be able to change them whenever you want. I don't mind waiting but I would say 7 days to 14 days MAX if you have to put a time restraint on it....28 days is a long time to wait as that's almost a month! What happens if you want to use something else you like? You can't change it for 28 days. Rediculous....

Shrantellatessa
20-12-08, 00:29
I would be more than happy to increase the avatar weight to 15K. :)

Ceeeeeelebrate good times, c'mon :yah: :cln: WoW!!! Finally! We did it :jmp:

EmeraldFields
20-12-08, 00:51
I would be more than happy to increase the avatar weight to 15K. :)

I would be very thankful!:)

xMyrax
20-12-08, 00:56
I would be more than happy to increase the avatar weight to 15K. :)


Preeeeciioooouuuussss :cln:

tlr online
20-12-08, 01:23
Can't remember how vBulettin deals with it but I posted in numerous phpBB forums where it checks the size of your avatar prior to the upload. And there are other restrictions like "JPEG only" or pixel limits etc There are modifications too. At least for phpBB.

EDIT: Basically, what Encore said.

That is the first reasonable explanation I've read. :p However, many places (deviantART for example) set a size limit in KB for your avatar uploads, the system doesn't accept it if it's above the limit. Wouldn't it be possible (if you guys wanted it, that is) to implement this feature?


There is an option in PhP to set an upload limit.This has two problems as I understand it. We could inadvertently limit the size of posts being processed by the PhP script (vBulletin is PhP and MySQL powered) which would result in incomplete data being sent to the post database or (worse still) data being refused. Secondly, a 200Mb file would still be uploaded to the server first, and then discarded once the server sees the file is above set limit. The latter means we could be overloaded by either a series of unfortunate mistakes or a co-ordinated attack. Not to mention the issue of bandwidth.

2kool4u
20-12-08, 01:25
Yea i can understand that but why no links as a signature if you dont mind me asking.

Sir Croft
20-12-08, 01:27
I'm fine with the rules. :D

Yea i can understand that but why no links as a signature if you dont mind me asking.

The forums would become an Ad Site if that was possible. :p

Paddy
20-12-08, 01:28
The size doesn't bother me at all...I just don't like having to wait 28 days before you can even change your avatar :( All the boards I have ever been on allow you to be able to change them whenever you want. I don't mind waiting but I would say 7 days to 14 days MAX if you have to put a time restraint on it....28 days is a long time to wait as that's almost a month! What happens if you want to use something else you like? You can't change it for 28 days. Rediculous....

I think its to stop people constantly requesting changes.
Thats fair enough

2kool4u
20-12-08, 01:30
I'm fine with the rules. :D



The forums would become an Ad Site if that was possible. :p

Well yea XDD :vlol: But you know how some arent allowed to post links until the 300th post.

Encore
20-12-08, 01:32
There is an option in PhP to set an upload limit.This has two problems as I understand it. We could inadvertently limit the size of posts being processed by the PhP script (vBulletin is PhP and MySQL powered) which would result in incomplete data being sent to the post database or (worse still) data being refused. Secondly, a 200Mb file would still be uploaded to the server first, and then discarded once the server sees the file is above set limit. The latter means we could be overloaded by either a series of unfortunate mistakes or a co-ordinated attack. Not to mention the issue of bandwidth.

I understand. I think the thing we all cherish the most is the amazingly fast loading times of this forum as compared to others... So, if it's a matter of choosing between that and better options for avatars, I'll stick to fast loading thanks. :p

tlr online
20-12-08, 01:33
Well yea XDD :vlol: But you know how some arent allowed to post links until the 300th post.

This is simply to ensure that folk contribute to our community before benefiting from our traffic. Swings and roundabouts. This forum has been nine years in the making. It doesn't exist so folk who care little about you or me can spam their products and services in our faces.

2kool4u
20-12-08, 01:35
Yea i understand about it but i meant for those who have been here for a really long time to ues a link in their signature.

tlr online
20-12-08, 01:41
Yea i understand about it but i meant for those who have been here for a really long time to ues a link in their signature.

I'll be perfectly frank with you 2kool4u. This is not something we will be polling members on. I started this forum on June 6th, 2000. During that time, I've experimented with various policies. As the community has grown, the policies have been shaped accordingly. The ones in place at this time are tried, tested, and are generally found by both members and the team here to be workable and to function on a more than reasonable level, ultimately minimising distruption and misuse.

EmeraldFields
20-12-08, 01:45
I'll be perfectly frank with you 2kool4u. This is not something we will be polling members on. I started this forum on June 6th, 2000. During that time, I've experimented with various policies. As the community has grown, the policies have been shaped accordingly. The ones in place at this time are tried, tested, and are generally found by both members and the team here to be workable and to function on a more than reasonable level, ultimately minimising distruption and misuse.

Still contemplating 15kb?:)

tlr online
20-12-08, 01:45
Still contemplating 15kb?:)

You already got (http://www.tombraiderforums.com/showpost.php?p=3323761&postcount=116) the 15K increase. :p

EmeraldFields
20-12-08, 01:47
You already got (http://www.tombraiderforums.com/showpost.php?p=3323761&postcount=116) the 15K increase. :p

I really do need sleep!:vlol: thanks anyway!:hug:

rowanlim
20-12-08, 01:48
You already got (http://www.tombraiderforums.com/showpost.php?p=3323761&postcount=116) the 15K increase. :p

Thanks Justin. I think current status quo works fine, but that increase is a boon :tmb:

KurtisandLara
20-12-08, 01:49
Thanks Justin. I think current status quo works fine, but that increase is a boon :tmb:

*Claps* Yay even though i dont really understand the 10k 15k stuff :P i just see a picture and call it a picture :D.
Thank you all mighty penguin :). :hug:

Rai
20-12-08, 01:50
When I joined, I was surprised by the request rule for avatars. I belong to other sites, all give the users the ability to upload their own avies. One site has it that you upload directly from your PC and if it goes above the size limits, it simply won't take. I have no idea how that could be implemented. I think the sizes are fine, but I struggled to resize to the 10kb, so a 15kb size increase is excellent. I know that there is a possibility for the minority trying to use larger sizes but if there is a size rule most peeps will stick to it. As for how often they can be changed the current 28 day rule is fair I think.

I have enjoyed using signatures in the past, but I can understand why pictures aren't used here. It can get quite distracting and some will make the page load too slowly. I quite like reading the ones on this forum, they're quite amusing and creative. I'd like it if a different font and colour could be used though.
:)

2kool4u
20-12-08, 01:50
I'll be perfectly frank with you 2kool4u. This is not something we will be polling members on. I started this forum on June 6th, 2000. During that time, I've experimented with various policies. As the community has grown, the policies have been shaped accordingly. The ones in place at this time are tried, tested, and are generally found by both members and the team here to be workable and to function on a more than reasonable level, ultimately minimising distruption and misuse.

Alrightie i was just curious on that thanks :)

EmeraldFields
20-12-08, 01:51
Can't wait to upload my next avatar!

Sir Croft
20-12-08, 02:13
You already got (http://www.tombraiderforums.com/showpost.php?p=3323761&postcount=116) the 15K increase. :p

That's great! :jmp: This (http://www.tombraiderforums.com/announcement.php?f=13) should be updated then! :D

KC Mraz
20-12-08, 02:16
You already got (http://www.tombraiderforums.com/showpost.php?p=3323761&postcount=116) the 15K increase. :p

So the limit is now 15kb? Sweet! :)

Shrantellatessa
20-12-08, 02:57
Oh! I forgot to say: "Thank you, Justin" :tmb: Now I can finally add some more frames and quality to my avatars :p

trXD
20-12-08, 06:38
*comes back to thread*

Yay we got something of a result:D

Edit: Still 80 character signature limit. I have yet to see an explanation for that.

Neteru
20-12-08, 10:43
Edit: Still 80 character signature limit. I have yet to see an explanation for that.There has been an explanation for that several times over. I guess you just don't want to take it in.

On the subject of 28 day changes, it's rather funny to me. I always used to upload avatars whenever members requested a change. I've never had a problem with that. When the 28 day rule was implemented, I went along with it because it's the rules and it's my job to enforce them. What I've noticed, however, is that since that rule was implemented, strangely, members generally began requesting changes more frequently, making the rule even more necessary. Mind, I say 'strangely' when I can understand why that should be. I tend to think if there were no 28 day rule, requests for change would drop again. I think it boils down to the simple psychology that people always want the things they cannot have, and when they can have they are not so bothered about it.

Anyway, so what happens if the rule is removed? That would introduce moderator discretion again, because there will be some members who want a change every day, and believe me, it has happened (worse that that, even). When I start refusing there'll be complaints about that. We can never satisfy everyone, ever.

In point of this, when we had tiny 48 x 48 avatars, members complained they weren't big enough.

We got new software and larger avatars with a 5kb limit. Members complained they weren't big enough.

We increased the size limit to 10kb. Members complained they weren't big enough.

We have now increased the size limit to 15kb. Member will complain that they aren't big enough.

What I also want to say here is that Justin goes to great pains to hear and listen to all your views and remains gracious and polite, and always giving as much as he can. I, on the other hand, being the forum 'bad guy' am more than prepared to state other things. I am constantly amazed at the complaints about a service which operates at no cost to members, no cost whatsoever, and even when something more is given the predominant reaction is one of continued complaint 'what about this though, can we have this, can we also have that' - I want, I want, I want, Me, Me, Me.

Whilst a good many of the members who have posted here have been perfectly reasonable in the questions they've asked and the points they have made, perfectly reasonable indeed, here's a song for the others:

FOdWxf1tRmI

Drone
20-12-08, 10:48
ain't gonna read all pages so is av now to be 15 kb?

rowanlim
20-12-08, 10:49
^Ace, Net. Ace ;)

Minty Mouth
20-12-08, 10:54
I think it boils down to the simple psychology that people always want the things they cannot have, and when they can have they are not so bothered about it.

Whilst a good many of the members who have posted here have been perfectly reasonable in the questions they've asked and the points they have made, perfectly reasonable indeed, here's a song for the others:

FOdWxf1tRmI

:vlol:

Yep I think I am a prime example of wanting what I cant have, Im really bad for it :)

At the end of the day we have to live with what we have. I think I can manage ;)




BTW: So we can now upload 15kb avatars? I think 10 was plenty....

Angelus
20-12-08, 11:03
I thought that video was going to be 'Shaddup Ya Face'. :D

Neteru
20-12-08, 11:21
I thought that video was going to be 'Shaddup Ya Face'. :D

Now I know I should have consulted you first!

BTW: So we can now upload 15kb avatars? I think 10 was plenty....

ain't gonna read all pages so is av now to be 15 kb?

Yes, that's right. :)

Paddy
21-12-08, 23:46
Another suggestion, what about an avatar gallery?
So members can choose an avatar out of the gallery to have on the forums?

Logie 12 =]
22-12-08, 11:59
Justin can we get a sort of default font so we dont have to keep changing it when we post? pleaseeeee :D

petujaymz
22-12-08, 12:02
Let me address the avatar issue, because there is a very simple reason for this.

Avatars are stored within our database. And our database is very very busy!

1. There's nothing to stop anyone uploading a 20Mb avatar.
2. There's nothing to stop anyone attempting to upload a 200Mb (or larger!) avatar and in turn causing extremely high CPU load.

So, rather than risk any potential issues with performance on our dedicated server, and until I am 100% certain a mistake (or potential attack) will not cripple our forum, we will continue to manage your avatars for you.




I hear you...

:wve:

pinklaralover
22-12-08, 12:07
The avatars im not bothered about, with the signitures, i think its really untidy and such like other forums to have pictures as there signitures, but 80 character? Id have to agree, its stupid, hardly even fit a sentence at times, cant we atleast have 100 characters?

:rolleyes:

Gianni Bartoli
22-12-08, 12:09
I'd really like more than 80 letters per sig, but the avatar and no-pictures-in-signitures rule is fair enough. :D

pinklaralover
22-12-08, 12:11
I'd really like more than 80 letters per sig, but the avatar and no-pictures-in-signitures rule is fair enough. :D

Exsactly ;)
I also like what another member said, about a avatar gallery...
Also the font, a default font, i really annoys me when you have to change it everytime you post, its better if you just choose one and everytime you post you dont have to change it as its already done for you :)