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Forum Quorum
18-01-09, 16:55
Poor chap. The whole world is looking to him to be some sort of messiah and he has to sail a leaky boat into stormy waters. I'm a Brit and I'm wishing him all the best luck in the world and I, for one, will not turn on him when he has his first set back. Good voyage and bon chance, Mr. President.

Geck-o-Lizard
18-01-09, 17:20
Black man given nation's worst job (http://www.theonion.com/content/news_briefs/black_man_given_nations) :p

pizzabob18
18-01-09, 17:25
he's got a huge mess in front of him, but if he can clean it up and restore the damage of the last 8 years, then he'll no doubt go down in history as one of the greatest presidents!

TRfan23
18-01-09, 17:28
My luck to him to :)

He looks younger then 47! At least late 30's, suppose I assume everyones young then?

Ikas90
18-01-09, 17:31
Nice going, Bush.

Say what again? Who is responsible for all this damage?

Best of luck to Obama. I feel sorry for what he has to put up with. :(

Ilves
18-01-09, 17:33
http://storage.canalblog.com/73/97/336868/32252605.jpg

:p

SamReeves
18-01-09, 17:37
I wish him good luck, but I don't expect very much. Socialism is not the answer to everything. :wve:

EmeraldFields
18-01-09, 17:41
Black man given nation's worst job (http://www.theonion.com/content/news_briefs/black_man_given_nations) :p

"It just goes to show you that, in this country, a black man still can't catch a break."

LOL!:vlol:

Forum Quorum
18-01-09, 17:43
Reds, you say? Under the bed? To arms!

Geck-o-Lizard
18-01-09, 17:48
I wish him good luck, but I don't expect very much. Socialism is not the answer to everything. :wve:

It's just as well Obama's not a socialist then, lol.

Tihocan9
18-01-09, 18:11
Although I hope and pray he can fix all of our problems I just don't think he will. Even if I thought he was qualified to run a country he couldn't, these problems will take more than 4-8 years to fix. All I see in Obama though is a good speech, and a good speech isn't going to solve our problems, but hey people will disagree with me as that is what got him elected. I'll respect him as you should respect a president, although I question why I should as democrats never wanted to give Bush any ounce of respect, but I guess I can be the better person.

SamReeves
18-01-09, 18:17
Although I hope and pray he can fix all of our problems I just don't think he will. Even if I thought he was qualified to run a country he couldn't, these problems will take more than 4-8 years to fix. All I see in Obama though is a good speech, and a good speech isn't going to solve our problems, but hey people will disagree with me as that is what got him elected.

Actually those great speeches helped him quite a lot. He ran one of the best campaigns in recent memory. If you can sell a sack of **** that well, you can pretty much sell anything! I regret that the Republicans didn't attack him hard enough to expose Obama's socialistic tendencies.

Quasimodo
18-01-09, 18:22
Although I hope and pray he can fix all of our problems I just don't think he will. Even if I thought he was qualified to run a country he couldn't, these problems will take more than 4-8 years to fix. All I see in Obama though is a good speech, and a good speech isn't going to solve our problems, but hey people will disagree with me as that is what got him elected. I'll respect him as you should respect a president, although I question why I should as democrats never wanted to give Bush any ounce of respect, but I guess I can be the better person.

I was let down when I found out someone else wrote his speeches*.

*at least some of them anyway

Tihocan9
18-01-09, 18:23
Actually those great speeches helped him quite a lot. He ran one of the best campaigns in recent memory. If you can sell a sack of **** that well, you can pretty much sell anything! I regret that the Republicans didn't attack him hard enough to expose Obama's socialistic tendencies.

I know, that's what I meant, I was saying that great speech's can get him elected but won't help him solve our problems. At least in my opinion.

Love2Raid
18-01-09, 18:46
Good luck Obama!!! :tmb:

And goodbye Bush, good riddance...

takamotosan
18-01-09, 18:59
Bush was one extreme, Obama will be the other.

lovely

:pi:

Geck-o-Lizard
18-01-09, 19:01
Extreme? :vlol: Your liberal leaders are like our conservatives. You don't know "extreme".

Tihocan9
18-01-09, 19:04
Bush was one extreme, Obama will be the other.

lovely

:pi:

I agree, Bush may not have been great, and he made mistakes but that doesn't mean the other party will be perfect.

Joely-Moley
18-01-09, 19:04
I think people are expecting too much from Obama.
I don't think he will change that much and I think this will lead to a lot of people being extremely disappointed.
I think he will do a better job than Bush did though.

GenyaArikado
18-01-09, 19:10
My luck to him to :)

He looks younger then 47! At least late 30's, suppose I assume everyones young then?

Because he is black, and for some weird reason, the blacks looks younger that they are

Mad Tony
18-01-09, 20:01
Nice going, Bush.

Say what again? Who is responsible for all this damage?

Best of luck to Obama. I feel sorry for what he has to put up with. :(Who's responsible? Loads of people really. Scapegoating one man for all of America's problems is just ridiculous.

I wish him good luck, but I don't expect very much. Socialism is not the answer to everything. :wve:Amen to that :p

Extreme? :vlol: Your liberal leaders are like our conservatives. You don't know "extreme".That's the one thing that annoys me about the Conservative party - they're a bit too liberal. I still support them though.

Tihocan9
18-01-09, 20:11
Who's responsible? Loads of people really. Scapegoating one man for all of America's problems is just ridiculous.


I agree, America doesn't have a separation of powers for nothing, we have it so no one person has control and so no one person makes all the decisions, the legislative branch holds a lot of power so blaming the president for everything is just an uneducated accusation. (meaning the accusation is made without actually facts, I am not saying the people are uneducated)

SamReeves
18-01-09, 20:37
That's the one thing that annoys me about the Conservative party - they're a bit too liberal. I still support them though.

Good Lord, they have the disease too? Where are the small government conservatives??? Either here or in the UK. It seems like it's been spend and expand government over the last term.

tarcairion
18-01-09, 20:43
I've read that John Williams composes for Obama inauguration ... so he will feel like Indiana Jones afterwards :tea:

Nausinous
18-01-09, 20:48
I know he can't change the world but he can't put things in motions that maybe others didn't feel brave enough to change. I believe in Obama. Good luck :tmb:

Troy
18-01-09, 20:52
Of course Obama won't solve America's problems, it will take many generations of Presidents to solve that. I'm just hoping Obama will take America in the right direction to fixing the economy. Good luck Barack Obama.

Kittypower
18-01-09, 20:55
Well, if bill Clinton and Ronald Regan sovled the nations problems in there 2 terms i see no reason why obama cant atleast make a dent in this problem.

iamlaracroft
18-01-09, 21:03
Because he is black, and for some weird reason, the blacks looks younger that they are

the blacks.
oh man :vlol:

Mad Tony
18-01-09, 21:04
Well, if bill Clinton and Ronald Regan sovled the nations problems in there 2 terms i see no reason why obama cant atleast make a dent in this problem.Ronald Reagan fixed the world in two terms. :tmb: :D

Kittypower
18-01-09, 21:10
Ronald Reagan fixed the world in two terms. :tmb: :D

Ronald Regan was that awesome.

NympHadorA
18-01-09, 21:47
Good luck to him... He needs luck I believe... :)

da tomb raider!
18-01-09, 21:49
Who's Obama?

Gianni Bartoli
18-01-09, 22:43
Can I just ask, what exactly is everyone's problem with socialism? :confused:

EmeraldFields
19-01-09, 00:17
Can I just ask, what exactly is everyone's problem with socialism? :confused:

Um, it's at the center of all evil. duh.
Even the devil wishes he could be as evil as socialism.

Troy
19-01-09, 00:36
Well, it will be two days until Obama officially becomes President. So best just to wait and watch to see if he can fix anything.

Dixie
19-01-09, 00:48
Well naturally the economy will rebound sometime during his term. Recessions tend to not last very long. Of course he'll get all the credit for it.

I'm going to try to be impartial towards him beginning Tuesday. After all, 99% of what's said during an election is total bs. So I'm considering this to be a clean slate.

Mr.Burns
19-01-09, 00:48
I've read that John Williams composes for Obama inauguration ... so he will feel like Indiana Jones afterwards :tea:

Him and Itzhak Perlman. I believe Yo Yo Ma will be there as well. So this should be interesting. :)

Feather Duster
19-01-09, 00:49
Him and Itzhak Perlman. I believe Yo Yo Ma will be there as well. So this should be interesting. :)

Lol, Yo Yo Ma

My cousin would always say 'Yo mama' :vlol:

Shrantellatessa
19-01-09, 02:00
Yes, good luck Obama...

Tihocan9
19-01-09, 02:52
Can I just ask, what exactly is everyone's problem with socialism? :confused:

Well, I can speak for the reason why a lot of Americans dislike it because it goes against freedom, it gives the government the power to regulate everything and we feel that the government shouldn't regulate everything and we should have the freedom to make the country go the way we want too, even if that means living with our mistakes.

Also the fact that it doesn't work very well, the leaders can't be corrupt at all for the government part to work or else it would come a dictatorship and it is impossible for the entire country's population to agree on what the government does so there will always be someone unhappy and possibly rebel. There is no place in history that has ever been a true socialist state, it just had some things that are in socialism but was never 100% socialist so it can't work at least not until leaders become perfect (but no one can be) and people agree on everything (again not going to happen)

SamReeves
19-01-09, 02:59
^ All good points. Socialism from the business side is stifling. There's no reward for risk if the government provides, or regulates everything. Investors don't invest, consumers don't consume, and businesses don't employ. With President Obama, your best best for a job or an investment will be with the government.

takamotosan
19-01-09, 04:46
"let's be socialist and share everything"

:pi:

**** that :wve:

EmeraldFields
19-01-09, 04:56
"let's be socialist and share everything"

:pi:

**** that :wve:

Sharing is caring!:hug:

Ward Dragon
19-01-09, 05:01
I don't agree with a lot of Obama's policies but I want what's best for the country so I'm really hoping this will work out for the best. I'm getting a little nervous that he hasn't even taken office yet and people are already making excuses for why he'll fail, though (not really here, but in general I hear a lot of people saying Obama has no chance because Bush sucks and left a big mess. I mean, why did people just elect him if they have no confidence that he can succeed?)

rowanlim
19-01-09, 05:09
Him and Itzhak Perlman. I believe Yo Yo Ma will be there as well. So this should be interesting. :)

That sounds awesome...I hope to get a vid of that! :p

I don't agree with a lot of Obama's policies but I want what's best for the country so I'm really hoping this will work out for the best. I'm getting a little nervous that he hasn't even taken office yet and people are already making excuses for why he'll fail, though (not really here, but in general I hear a lot of people saying Obama has no chance because Bush sucks and left a big mess. I mean, why did people just elect him if they have no confidence that he can succeed?)

Yeah negativity doesn't help anyone or anything...I just hope he'll do his best to fulfill his promises.

Tihocan9
19-01-09, 05:33
"let's be socialist and share everything"

:pi:

**** that :wve:

But it isn't exactly fair to take away from those who worked hard for their money and give to those who have done nothing...I am not saying don't help those in need but don't give and give to those who are doing nothing because they are lazy. It isn't as simple as people make it out to be. Sorry if thats not what you meant.

Forum Quorum
19-01-09, 10:18
Blimey. I had no idea that so many right wing people were fans of Lara Croft. Kind of makes a spooky sense. You don't just want to play as her. You want to BE her. :)

Nefertiti_89
19-01-09, 10:45
I don't agree with a lot of Obama's policies but I want what's best for the country so I'm really hoping this will work out for the best. I'm getting a little nervous that he hasn't even taken office yet and people are already making excuses for why he'll fail, though (not really here, but in general I hear a lot of people saying Obama has no chance because Bush sucks and left a big mess. I mean, why did people just elect him if they have no confidence that he can succeed?)

Because they at least voting for him would mean things couldn't get any worse?

If he can clean up just a quarter of the trainwreck that has been the last 8 years then he will have done more than any of us could have ever asked him to. Who knows how long it will take to fix this ridiculous mess, but it certainly can't be done in one term, and its highly likely it can't be done in two either.

So long as he produces some kind of change he will have given the people what they have asked for - whether it be major or minor, America voted for change, and there is no way Obama can fail in producing that. He may very well not be able to meet the high expectations of the people, and if he doesn't I don't think anyone could blame him, nor do I think we could find someone who could meet the mark.

Bustus
19-01-09, 10:57
Blimey. I had no idea that so many right wing people were fans of Lara Croft. Kind of makes a spooky sense. You don't just want to play as her. You want to BE her. :)

I doubt your political stance has much impact on whether you like TR or not. :p

Good luck to Obama, he may or may not need it.

Shark_Blade
19-01-09, 11:27
I believe that what was once broken can be fix. Obama seems to be up for the job, so we should see how he progress. :)

Forum Quorum
19-01-09, 12:26
Surely if you approve of charging into countries for the flimsiest of excuses, shooting the "natives" at random when they get in your way, walking off with their national treasures and leaving the place in flames that makes you a Neo Con?

Bellacima
19-01-09, 12:47
Well i believe that obama is ready to change this country up a little espically after what bush messed up in this country we need it.

MiCkiZ88
19-01-09, 14:51
Oh God.. Actually giving a damn about others is seen as something that shouldnt be done? Everyone (EVERYONE) should just ignore others and use their money for themselves.. Who gives a damn about those who can't do that? :)

Best of luck to Obama. He needs it. A LOT of it.

Mad Tony
19-01-09, 17:15
Blimey. I had no idea that so many right wing people were fans of Lara Croft. Kind of makes a spooky sense. You don't just want to play as her. You want to BE her. :)To be fair, there are hardly any right wing people on here in comparison to liberal people. Not quite sure why that is.

Surely if you approve of charging into countries for the flimsiest of excuses, shooting the "natives" at random when they get in your way, walking off with their national treasures and leaving the place in flames that makes you a Neo Con?What is with people these days and using the term "neo con" to describe anyone they think is bad? Do you even know the definition of a neo conservative?

Tihocan9
19-01-09, 17:39
Oh God.. Actually giving a damn about others is seen as something that shouldnt be done? Everyone (EVERYONE) should just ignore others and use their money for themselves.. Who gives a damn about those who can't do that? :)

Best of luck to Obama. He needs it. A LOT of it.

I'm sorry I am not to good at detecting sarcasm so if it wasn't then I'm sorry but it feels like that was to me.

Because how is it fair to take money from someone, say a doctor, who went to school for years and spent probably hundreds or thousands of dollars getting that education to become a doctor and then he is successful and makes a lot of money and give it to someone who dropped out of high school and isn't willing to do anything else but live on welfare. I don't mean to sound mean or harsh but the fact is, is that there are too many people in America that don't care about getting a decent job or an education and are fine living of someone elses money and that is in no way fair to the person who is having money taken away from them. I am not saying we shouldn't help those in need but I think we should help them get on their feet for a short while and then expect them to get a job and start their life up again.

Again sorry if you weren't being sarcastic.

Jack Croft
19-01-09, 17:47
Good Luck, Obama.

With the Bush era mess you gonna need it! :)

Mad Tony
19-01-09, 17:52
I'm sorry I am not to good at detecting sarcasm so if it wasn't then I'm sorry but it feels like that was to me.

Because how is it fair to take money from someone, say a doctor, who went to school for years and spent probably hundreds or thousands of dollars getting that education to become a doctor and then he is successful and makes a lot of money and give it to someone who dropped out of high school and isn't willing to do anything else but live on welfare. I don't mean to sound mean or harsh but the fact is, is that there are too many people in America that don't care about getting a decent job or an education and are fine living of someone elses money and that is in no way fair to the person who is having money taken away from them. I am not saying we shouldn't help those in need but I think we should help them get on their feet for a short while and then expect them to get a job and start their life up again.

Again sorry if you weren't being sarcastic.Very well said! :tmb: How anybody can find Redistribution of wealth, restriction of free market and other aspects of socialism appealing is beyond me.

MiCkiZ88
19-01-09, 18:57
I'm sorry I am not to good at detecting sarcasm so if it wasn't then I'm sorry but it feels like that was to me.

Because how is it fair to take money from someone, say a doctor, who went to school for years and spent probably hundreds or thousands of dollars getting that education to become a doctor and then he is successful and makes a lot of money and give it to someone who dropped out of high school and isn't willing to do anything else but live on welfare. I don't mean to sound mean or harsh but the fact is, is that there are too many people in America that don't care about getting a decent job or an education and are fine living of someone elses money and that is in no way fair to the person who is having money taken away from them. I am not saying we shouldn't help those in need but I think we should help them get on their feet for a short while and then expect them to get a job and start their life up again.

Again sorry if you weren't being sarcastic.
I was being sarcastic, and no it wasnt aimed at anyone particular.

As for schooling. It's free where I come from. No matter what grade. Basic, secondary, higher, uni.. it's all free and paid through taxes. Wouldnt you want everyone to have the same possibility as your highly skilled doctor who spend thousands upon thousands on his level? Or would you just want those who can afford it to get it? :)

Same with healthcare and what not.. oh well. I can't change anything and I'm not saying my view on the world is the best, unlike some others, but I do believe everyone should have the same rights.

As for getting back on their feet. We have a pretty much fool proof system in Finland where the goverment helps you up to a certain point. That's getting you an apartment, the basic money you need for living and a bit of help for paying some of your hospital visit bills or what not. But you can't get help for everything. If you want to get out of that endless cycle of living on the edge of not having enough money for food, the goverment will help you find a job.

That's enough off topic from me. Agree or disagree. Just dont get what's so wrong with a bit of sharing.. oh well..

Love2Raid
19-01-09, 19:22
As for schooling. It's free where I come from. No matter what grade. Basic, secondary, higher, uni.. it's all free and paid through taxes. Wouldnt you want everyone to have the same possibility as your highly skilled doctor who spend thousands upon thousands on his level? Or would you just want those who can afford it to get it? :)

Same with healthcare and what not.. oh well. I can't change anything and I'm not saying my view on the world is the best, unlike some others, but I do believe everyone should have the same rights.

As for getting back on their feet. We have a pretty much fool proof system in Finland where the goverment helps you up to a certain point. That's getting you an apartment, the basic money you need for living and a bit of help for paying some of your hospital visit bills or what not. But you can't get help for everything. If you want to get out of that endless cycle of living on the edge of not having enough money for food, the goverment will help you find a job.



Yes! I totally agree! :hug:

The Scandinavian health system is the best in the world in my opinion. But it's not bad in Holland either (still...:o).

Anyway, my parents are not exactly rich and could never have afforded my college fee. If it weren't for the good social system I would never have gotten were I am now, so I am very grateful.

I think the Americans should look at Europe to see what they are doing wrong and learn from it. It is a real shame that so many people in the States can't afford a good health insurance or can't get a proper education because it is too expensive. This has nothing to do with being 'lazy'. It has everything to do with fate. If you are lucky, your parents are rich and you have everything you need. If you are not, then the chances on a so-called 'succesful' live are very very slim.....

Ward Dragon
19-01-09, 22:19
Because they at least voting for him would mean things couldn't get any worse?

If he can clean up just a quarter of the trainwreck that has been the last 8 years then he will have done more than any of us could have ever asked him to. Who knows how long it will take to fix this ridiculous mess, but it certainly can't be done in one term, and its highly likely it can't be done in two either.

So long as he produces some kind of change he will have given the people what they have asked for - whether it be major or minor, America voted for change, and there is no way Obama can fail in producing that. He may very well not be able to meet the high expectations of the people, and if he doesn't I don't think anyone could blame him, nor do I think we could find someone who could meet the mark.

I pretty much have a wait-and-see attitude right now. I don't know exactly what Obama's going to do and I'm not going to make any judgment calls about what should be done. I just want to see what he will do and maybe (hopefully) it will work, maybe it won't. All I was saying is that I don't understand why there are people in general (I don't mean you) who are supposedly on his side and yet they are already making excuses for his failures when he hasn't even started yet. I mean, back off, give the man some room, and see what he can accomplish, right? :)

takamotosan
19-01-09, 23:00
i'm not looking forward to the next 4 years...

i have a feeling we'll be buddy-buddy with the chinese government very soon...

or whatever other communist nation...

we'll have plenty in common with them soon.

SamReeves
19-01-09, 23:06
^ Henceforth why you shouldn't spend money that you don't have. Obama misses it completely. The banks need the injection of dollars to get rid of the bad capital when loans weren't repaid. It's not the time to go out and build everybody's pet government projects.

Ward Dragon
19-01-09, 23:10
^ Like I said, I'm not thinking about that right now. There's nothing I can do about it anyway, so I'm much happier not dwelling on all the ways everything can go wrong XD

SamReeves
20-01-09, 00:22
Oooh, doughnuts for everybody. A trillion ought to take care of it!

http://i42.************/2i7tvs8.jpg

Ward Dragon
20-01-09, 00:33
Oooh, doughnuts for everybody. A trillion ought to take care of it!

http://i42.************/2i7tvs8.jpg

Say, that's actually a very delicious looking donut. I'm hungry now :p I love the expression on Hillary's face :vlol: She looks like she has an idea where she'd like to shove that donut :vlol:

Geck-o-Lizard
20-01-09, 00:56
What is with people these days and using the term "neo con" to describe anyone they think is bad?

What about right-wingers flinging the term "socialist" at left-wingers? It's fairly clear there aren't too many folk using these terms who understand what they mean.

MattTR
20-01-09, 01:55
Wow, tomorrow's the day, it came so quickly.

Good luck Obama, it's going to be a long 4 years, hope you stay strong and bring on that
'Change' you promised. :)

Troy
20-01-09, 13:01
Well, it's the big day for Obama. Inaugeration Day is here. It will be his time to shine, and hopefully he will shine and help America shine for 4 years.

Forum Quorum
20-01-09, 17:11
Well, he stumbled slightly over the words, but I had to give a cheer as he took the oath of office.

MrBear
20-01-09, 18:28
Well, he stumbled slightly over the words (...)

I was half expecting a whole thread about it when I logged on to TRF :o it's nice to be pleasently surprised :tmb:

Very nice speech, too.. Now is the time to convert the words into action, let's hope that will be an equally impressive experience :)

Angelina_Fan
20-01-09, 18:44
All change is not good change though remember that, I have a good feeling about him but I hope he doesn't press racial matters and becomes a new Martin Luther King cause in this day and age that is not needed... there are total social equal rights now

violentblossom
20-01-09, 18:44
He's pretty hot for a president. :whi:

Anyone else agree?

Mad Tony
20-01-09, 19:49
I was half expecting a whole thread about it when I logged on to TRF :o it's nice to be pleasently surprised :tmb:Nah, not on here. If it was a Republican however, of course there would be a thread about it.

All change is not good change though remember that, I have a good feeling about him but I hope he doesn't press racial matters and becomes a new Martin Luther King cause in this day and age that is not needed... there are total social equal rights nowI agree :tmb:

EmeraldFields
20-01-09, 19:52
All change is not good change though remember that, I have a good feeling about him but I hope he doesn't press racial matters and becomes a new Martin Luther King cause in this day and age that is not needed... there are total social equal rights now

I beg to differ. Yes, African Americans have made great strides when it comes to racial equality, but as of lately Hispanic and Arab Americans have been facing racism.

interstellardave
20-01-09, 19:52
Obama will have the longest honeymoon period of any US president ever... he will seriously have to screw up big time before anyone takes him to task on anything. That's just the feeling I get.

SamReeves
20-01-09, 19:54
Not so sure about that. Jimmy Carter whom had similar conditions never recovered from the 1970's recession.

MrBear
20-01-09, 19:59
I hope he doesn't press racial matters and becomes a new Martin Luther King

Do you see any evidence of this happening? One remarkable thing about President Obama and race is that he makes little mention of it, at least from what I have seen from his speeches.. And as for the rest of your post, I agree with Emerald Fields:

I beg to differ. Yes, African Americans have made great strides when it comes to racial equality, but as of lately Hispanic and Arab Americans have been facing racism.

If it was a Republican however, of course there would be a thread about it.


Okay...

interstellardave
20-01-09, 20:09
Not so sure about that. Jimmy Carter whom had similar conditions never recovered from the 1970's recession.

But the most obvious thing about Obama--which makes him unique and special to so many people--will protect him for quite a while, I think. This guy is loved around the world, we've all seen it... the symbolism of being the first black president will cloud some peoples' judgement of his actual achievements.

dream raider
20-01-09, 20:12
Good luck, Obama!

I hope he will satisfy all Americans and I believe he will, but we'll see! ;)

AmericanAssassin
20-01-09, 21:07
Good luck, Obama! :tmb: I'm certain you'll do a much better job than W. ;)

Drone
20-01-09, 21:10
money spent on his inaugeration could be used up for something better ...

Immortalis08
20-01-09, 21:15
All change is not good change though remember that, I have a good feeling about him but I hope he doesn't press racial matters and becomes a new Martin Luther King cause in this day and age that is not needed... there are total social equal rights now

I do not agree. While Obama may not be referring to himself as the next Martin Luther King Jr., the media sure is taking care of that by releasing comparison shots between the two which annoys me to no end. That aside there are still racial stigmas everywhere in the world, even within subcultures. Granted we all live in a more accepting world where diversity is welcomed, but the fact remains that racial prejudice still exists on some sort of level; even on a subconscious level. Tell me why people of a certain color are constantly being profiled and monitored in stores while "white" people are left generally untouched. Equal social rights are not just limited to race, ethnicity, or color, but it emcompasses a variety of issues ranging from customs, traditions, morals, and gay rights. Add those perspectives in and it is clear that we as a society are far from practicing equal social rights.

I beg to differ. Yes, African Americans have made great strides when it comes to racial equality, but as of lately Hispanic and Arab Americans have been facing racism.

I don't think it is just them that are suffering from racism. But nonetheless I agree.

On another note, I wish President Obama all the luck and good faith I can produce. He is going to need it to clean up after all this mess.

violentblossom
20-01-09, 23:03
Good luck, Obama! :tmb: I'm certain you'll do a much better job than W. ;)

Mr. Potato Head could do a better job than Bush. >.>

takamotosan
20-01-09, 23:44
All change is not good change though remember that, I have a good feeling about him but I hope he doesn't press racial matters and becomes a new Martin Luther King cause in this day and age that is not needed... there are total social equal rights now

it's illegal for me to get married.

i'd hardly call that equal

:pi:

Sir Croft
21-01-09, 00:03
I wish him luck, I'll pretty sure he will make some changes for the best.

rr_carroll
21-01-09, 04:11
The long night is over. The worst president in US history is gone.

1. He started an unnecessary war and caused the deaths of tens of thousands of people. He said "trust me, I have information you don't". We did, and he was wrong. Then like fools, we re-elected him. Don't tell me "the CIA gave him bad information," if you read between the lines, it's plain that his people leaned on the CIA until they got the answer they wanted. Now Iraq is full of Al-Qaeda (it wasn't before!), and the "democracy" of Iraq is still in doubt. He was so clueless he called for a "Crusade" against terrorism (by definition, a war of Christians against Muslims)

2. He violated the rights of people all over the world, including his own citizens. It will take us years to live down Abu Ghrab and Guantanamo. He made us all dirty.

3. He was anti-science. His administration distorted scientific reports to fit his political agenda, and "support" his business friends. With stem cells, he totally kissed the ass of the religious fringe in the US. Thousands of people will die because of the delay in medical research.

4. Oh, I almost forgot: he participated in the ruination of our economy, though we pretty much all had a hand in that. The majority of us bought the bankers' snake oil.

It's my fault, too - I didn't work hard enough to put forward superior candidates.

So if Obama is a mediocre president, it will be a tremendous improvement. But I hope we'll heed his call to (metaphorical) arms, and let him be more.

SamReeves
21-01-09, 04:45
The long night is over. The worst president in US history is gone.

1. He started an unnecessary war and caused the deaths of tens of thousands of people. He said "trust me, I have information you don't". We did, and he was wrong. Then like fools, we re-elected him. Don't tell me "the CIA gave him bad information," if you read between the lines, it's plain that his people leaned on the CIA until they got the answer they wanted. Now Iraq is full of Al-Qaeda (it wasn't before!), and the "democracy" of Iraq is still in doubt. He was so clueless he called for a "Crusade" against terrorism (by definition, a war of Christians against Muslims)

Ah okay, so leave the Jews, Buddhists, and Hindus out of this? Terror is more interested in destroying western society to replace it with a society of Islam.

2. He violated the rights of people all over the world, including his own citizens. It will take us years to live down Abu Ghrab and Guantanamo. He made us all dirty.

You can't realize the fact there hasn't been a single attack on American soil since 9/11? Rounding up the terrorists and interrogating them was highly effective in preventing attacks here and abroad. The poor things got panties on their head and water on their face. The terror victims IIRC had their heads cut off or were blown apart by explosives.

Kudos to George W. Bush to taking the fight to the terrorists, than on my street.

3. He was anti-science. His administration distorted scientific reports to fit his political agenda, and "support" his business friends. With stem cells, he totally kissed the ass of the religious fringe in the US. Thousands of people will die because of the delay in medical research.

Wow, because he and many other people believe it is wrong to preserve life by destroying life? I'd like to think a future child of mine is much more than mass of tissue growing in a womb. But when two wrongs make a right, anything can happen!

4. Oh, I almost forgot: he participated in the ruination of our economy, though we pretty much all had a hand in that. The majority of us bought the bankers' snake oil.

Hmm and who were encouraging the ridiculous sub-prime rates? The heavily Clinton backed Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac of the 1990's.

It's my fault, too - I didn't work hard enough to put forward superior candidates.

Here I'll agree with you as I was no fan of John McCain.

So if Obama is a mediocre president, it will be a tremendous improvement. But I hope we'll heed his call to (metaphorical) arms, and let him be more.

Heed his call or wait for a handout. I think the majority of Americans voted for the Senator hoping to get a piece of the bailout. There will be recovery from the recession under Obama, but at a expense of destroying America's capitalistic economy for a socialist one.

AmericanAssassin
21-01-09, 05:48
Mr. Potato Head could do a better job than Bush. >.>

:vlol: So true. :p

Tear
21-01-09, 06:09
Good luck to him.:hug:

It'll take a lot to get everyone out of this mess.

Shark_Blade
21-01-09, 06:34
No more Bush, good riddance. :)

Forum Quorum
21-01-09, 11:20
money spent on his inaugeration could be used up for something better ...

A free handgun for every teen with "Don't touch my chastity or I'll shoot" inscribed on it.

rr_carroll
22-01-09, 11:29
A free handgun for every teen with "Don't touch my chastity or I'll shoot" inscribed on it.
Get therapy soon. :(

Forum Quorum
22-01-09, 18:49
I like the stuff he's signed into law about Gitmo and about lobbyists.

(Good job I started this thread about Osama before tlronline started his or else mine might have been locked for being a duplicate.)

Immortalis08
22-01-09, 18:54
I like the stuff he's signed into law about Gitmo and about lobbyists.

(Good job I started this thread about Osama before tlronline started his or else mine might have been locked for being a duplicate.)

:vlol: Um typo :p Anyway, it is nice to see how much action Obama has taken already since his first day in office.

Neteru
22-01-09, 19:01
I like the stuff he's signed into law about Gitmo and about lobbyists.

(Good job I started this thread about Osama before tlronline started his or else mine might have been locked for being a duplicate.)But evidently you take a perverse pleasure out of bumping your own thread, and for that reason and the pointlessness of having two threads running.

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