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Even our mums knows who Lara Croft is, but Nathan Drake, the star of Naughty Dog's Uncharted series? We're not so sure. Yet. But director Bruce Straley believes Drake is already up there in terms of popularity with the PlayStation audience.
When we asked if Drake could ever be as big as Lara, Straley replied, "Why, do you think he's not already there, if not beyond that point already, in terms of popularity?
"I feel that Nathan Drake can stand on his own in any line up of the video game pantheon," he told us.
"We've created something new with him by infusing him with traits more associated with a good movie protagonist than just a video game icon. It's not just us drinking the kool-aid either - according to not an insignificant number of reviews, press, and forums, people have really taken to Nathan Drake's character.
"I think people like him because he's compelling, and a much needed breath of fresh air in an industry that's been a bit stale for a while, in terms of characters," Straley told us in a recent interview.
Read the first half of the huge interview here, and check back for the second half tonight.
What do you guys think? We all know that with increasing frequency, TR is being compared to Uncharted, perhaps unfairly. Is Uncharted truly bigger than TR these days?
I have always been more fond of women as protagonists but Nathan Drake's a very likeable character, I really enjoyed the first game!
He's so damn smug, like his dialogue was written by Josh Whedon. I still can't help but like the guy, though.
Hmmm let's see.
Tomb Raider, played by millions on multiple platforms for 10 years.
Uncharted, played by hundreds of thousands on one platform for a few years.
:rolleyes:
tha_mattster
19-01-09, 15:01
The character looks generic and from watching clips I didn't see anything special about him :confused: He'll never match Lara because Lara can and does exist outside the TR games.
Psychos'Я'Us
19-01-09, 15:21
The character looks generic and from watching clips I didn't see anything special about him :confused: He'll never match Lara because Lara can and does exist outside the TR games.
Exactly, Drake or what's his name is just a generic jock boy. I fail to see anything interesting in his personality or look. But maybe that's just me...
tlr online
19-01-09, 15:23
Maybe his web site isn't getting so much traffic these days, so he's going with a line that will generate fuss.
It seems someone's head has inflated... :tea:
Night Crawler
19-01-09, 15:27
Bet there are a hell of a lot more people waiting for the Uncharted sequel than there are waiting for the next Tomb Raider game.
Lol,as much as I like Uncharted,I'll just say hell no,because tbh,I'm too lazy to write all the things TR has done and all the things Uncharted has copied.:p
With just a single game, no movies, no appearance on covers of (non-game) magazines, anyone saying that Uncharted is bigger than Tomb Raider is either insane or lying. I'd put my money on the second here, after all the guys at Naughty Dog don't get paid for praising the competition.
The real question is which one has more potential in the future. Not having played Uncharted, I don't have the slightest clue, so maybe that's what he really means and maybe he's right there.
He didn't even say that Uncharted was bigger than TR. The reporter made it up to make the headline more interesting. Besides, they're talking about today. Sure. 10 years ago Lara was more popular than any videogame character out there. But today...?
Trigger_happy
19-01-09, 15:35
He didn't even say that Uncharted was bigger than TR. The reporter made it up to make the headline more interesting.
That's CVG for you.
Anyway, Nathan Drake, I feel is a well designed character. He's not a complete posn snob like Lara, and I know he's very American, but Nolan North does a great job as the voice actor and at least he's decided what character he wants to be, rather than Anglo-Yank Lara.
You can't really compare to Lara, she's totally invented- I know quite a few people a little like Nate.
Lara and Tomb Raider are becoming a joke, and that's Eidos' fault, Drake isn't bigger than Lara now, but if we don't see a real improvement in Tomb Raider, Drake will definitely be bigger than Lara by the time they release the next game.
george_croft
19-01-09, 15:41
I really liked Uncharted, it was a great action game (with pathetic puzzles) very much like Legend without the auto-aim. But, in my opinion, the character of Drake wasn't all that special. He behaved like any action hero from any 90's Hollywood blockbuster.
But still, great game.
Good points, everyone. As much as I like Uncharted, and I really really do like it, it just doesn't even come close to the position that TR fills in my gaming circle.
Having said that, though, Uncharted has infinitely more replay value than TRU. Trophies, of course, help with that.
Regarding this article, though, I think it's a little unreasonable to compare a year-old franchise with the massive phenomenon that is TR, an eleven-year franchise that revolutionised 3-D gaming. Non-gamers recognise Lara, and I can't say that that would be the same for Nathan Drake. Also, I think the two games are very different in terms of genre. Uncharted is much more closely aligned to FPS games than to action/adventure games like TR. Makes comparison difficult, and to a degree, pointless.
Tomb Raider Jay
19-01-09, 16:04
Well I loved Uncharted, it's the most enjoyable adventure game I've played in years - and yes I feel Nate is becoming a bigger star than our Lara... ;)
Sir Croft got it right, the entire TR series and it's heroine are a laughing stock, just look at any other site bar this forum where Lara's name is mentioned and you'll see pleanty of comments like:
"TR is a cheap, watered down carbon copy of Uncharted!!"
"Nate wipes the floor with that old hag, she's well past it now" :D - I loved that one!!
"OMFG Look how Lara copy's Drake's moves and gameplay!!" :hea:
"TR has never been great, only the geekboys buy into that cause of her... BOOBIES"
"Uncharted tanks TR in every way!!" :jmp: - I'm gonna get lamped on this forum
"Lara Croft??? Who's she, I thought it was Laura Crusie and she only had one great game, the rest were pfffttt!" ;)
"Did you play AoD? - that's when TR died, yip Lara's dead folks"
"Huh Oh My God!!! look what Crystal Dynamics has done to Tomb Raider and it's brilliant heroine... Core's Lara must be turning in her AoD grave!!!! :tea:
"The series is past it's best, time for everlasting sleep... the kind where Lara ain't coming back"
"DRAKE IS THE NEW TOMB RAIDER!!!" WHOOTS!!! :jmp: :hug: :)
I rest my case, Lara MUST redeem herself with TR9 otherwise they should let her RIP for good, imo :(
Nope. Uncharted may be a good game but it certainly doesn´t match Tomb Raider.
x2crazyidiot
19-01-09, 16:17
Exactly, Drake or what's his name is just a generic jock boy. I fail to see anything interesting in his personality or look. But maybe that's just me...
agreed. He's a rather dull character if you ask me. There's nothing truely recognisable or original to him. Hell, you could stick any other guy in the game and it wouldn't affect it.
Bet there are a hell of a lot more people waiting for the Uncharted sequel than there are waiting for the next Tomb Raider game.
that's a ridiculous theory. That's like saying because people were looking foward to the Twilight film more than the new Underworld film, the Twilight film series is more popular :rolleyes:
VonCroy360
19-01-09, 16:17
Uncharted probably is bigger than the last few TRs for gamers, but no one can deny Lara's a legend.
Another thing, I think Lara is a bit more independent as a character - Drake wouldn't be Drake without Uncharted and, no matter how many bad games she's been through, Lara can always make a comeback in style.
With Uncharted being one of my favorite games, and Tomb Raider being my favorite game (series I should say). There's absolutely no way that Uncharted is more popular than Tomb Raider.
10 years > 2-3 years.
that's a ridiculous theory. That's like saying because people were looking foward to the Twilight film more than the new Underworld film, the Twilight film series is more popular :rolleyes:
How is that ridiculous? The amount of hype surrounding a game release is, of course, related to it's popularity. You don't see unpopular games receiving the same amount of attention from detail-hungry fans, do you? :rolleyes:
trtrailerman
19-01-09, 16:44
there are probably more ps3 owners with uncharted then there are with tomb raider underworld, but I think tomb raider is more iconic and globally recognised, every1 knows our gamebabe :p, shes mentioned in todays media and shes been in so many adverts and has her own films, I don't think uncharted will ever reach this - at least not without many years under its belt
Tomb Raider Jay
19-01-09, 16:47
With just a single game, no movies, no appearance on covers of (non-game) magazines, anyone saying that Uncharted is bigger than Tomb Raider is either insane or lying. I'd put my money on the second here, after all the guys at Naughty Dog don't get paid for praising the competition.
The real question is which one has more potential in the future. Not having played Uncharted, I don't have the slightest clue, so maybe that's what he really means and maybe he's right there.
So, your saying that Bruce is LYING?? :vlol:
It's a brave move sure, but honestly he's not even that far wrong. Nate and Uncharted are already bigger and better - on Sony's Playstation 3 then Lara and TR. The game is still very popular to this date and is highly ranked as a 9/10 game and IS the best official exclusive PS3 has - PERIOD!! :jmp:
Plus Uncharted ~ Drake's Fortune trounces Underworlds visual design, story and voice acting - the team at Naughty Dog know how to make an exciting adventure game... CD on the other hand... ;)
MS saw the oppertunity to take Lara a step closer to Xbox 360 "only" - come on you know it's what they want, a ready made cash cow ripe for the milking, MS Game Studios could even be the mystery buyer who's stumped up the cash offer for Lara and Eidos - this way they get her, the rights and TR's long popularity to themselves... all I'll say is MMMOOOOO :tea:
But thier bid for Croft domination is scuppered by the whole DLC farse and Underworlds underwhelming progress on the 360 sales front... serves them right, noobs!! :ton:
In conclusion, Lara better buckle up cause if those inprovements in Among Thieves are fully realised then Nate has just won his ticket to butt kicking Lara out of the game forever :)
Obviously part of me is sad about it but hey CD, Eidos and all that really don't give two figs about the series - I realised this long ago btw - all they want is money for cheaply made games... :(
Lara's home
19-01-09, 16:49
Perhaps one day in the future UC will sell more copies than TR:X. It all depends on how much Sony wants Nathan drake to become a Sony icon, just like Master Chief and Mario are Xbox and Nintendo's icons, and Lara is gaming icon.
But Nathan drake needs work to be recognized. He is nothing special (seen clips on youtube). Anyone could be him now. No other then Lara could be her.
It takes time, money, and effort to get where Lara is now. She is after all, immortal.
Tomb raider, is about the character, lara croft is an icon, uncharted is a good game, but the character is well unimportant in my opinion.
For me I think its a matter of gender. Lara croft is female, which most believe only atracts teenage boys who play it for kicks I personally dont think this is true, (and i say this from the opinions of many teenage boys) and that they see it as lame. With Uncharted however they see it as more "macho" and cooler to play as a male than as a female, and therefore see it as cooler, than prancing round as a woman. And therefore considering the majority of gamers are male uncharted is more likely to win
Unless Uncharted breaks PS3's firm grip, it won't reach TR stardom. Going multiple platforms is one of the factor that helps spread TR and Lara's popularity and influence.
Although another major factor is being that Lara is a British girl with nice racks. :D
Word of advice to Nathan if he wants to go bigger than TR,: up the sex appeal. That's how Lara conquered the world. :D
Prince of Persia did it with a few shirtless scene. Why can't Nathan? :D
Seriously tho, If Uncharted goes multiple-platform, it's popularity and influence will be much, much more widespread.
_Awestruck_
19-01-09, 18:15
I will stray from this thread in order to keep my sanity. All's I will say is that I disagree with that quote.
10 years > 2-3 years.
Tomb Raider-12 years.
Uncharted-1 year.
There's not even a question of who is the most popular.
But you have to take into account that for a game which has a life of only 1 year and a month,Uncharted is doing fine in terms of popularity and at this point it can only go upwards.But it has a long way to go in order to become an icon (if ever).;)
As a character Nathan is very well fleshed out and i think Naughty Dog did well in making him the cliche Hollywood type hero but at the same time kept him funny and down to earth.He is quite different than most game heros,that's for sure.
Lara (both Core's and Crystal's) is very different as a personality.
Candee Sparks
19-01-09, 18:28
Lara Croft started it all and will forever be the one who started it all. And no frat-boy-look-alike on some cheesy action/adventure Tomb Raider rip-off is ever going to be able to replace her for countless reasons, many of which I won't bother stating because everyone else has stated them for me.
It's just a trend. Sooner or later they'll be bored with 'Uncharted' adventures and the same old routine and be on to the next big action adventure game. Good project for Naughty Dog to do but I'd rather see a Jak 4.
Trigger_happy
19-01-09, 18:41
Exactly, Drake or what's his name is just a generic jock boy. I fail to see anything interesting in his personality or look. But maybe that's just me...
But, how can you define Lara nowadays, except for her being that girl with the pistols and the giant boobs. She isn't exactly the winner in characterisation. Lara's just the generic top heavy heroine- no different to the male version, the jock.
RIGHT NOW? He's right. Uncharted has very easily surpassed Tomb Raider, as far as respected titles go. Of course historically speaking, Tomb Raider is much more important (even if only for the first game in the series), but at this very moment Uncharted has conquered many more admirers than the new TR games.
It might be a trend though ^ but, that only time can tell. Perhaps when TR1 came out some people also believed it wouldn't last...
TRhalloween
19-01-09, 18:44
Yeah, I don't think so.
He's so damn smug, like his dialogue was written by Josh Whedon. I still can't help but like the guy, though.
:eek: If that was a snap at Buffy, I'll hunt you.
I have you tagged. You're on radar :p
Hmmm let's see.
Tomb Raider, played by millions on multiple platforms for 10 years.
Uncharted, played by hundreds of thousands on one platform for a few years.
:rolleyes:
Took the words right out of my mouth... :o
Nathan Drake, is really popular but not as popular as Betsy Robbinson! :mis:
interstellardave
19-01-09, 19:32
Naughty Dog still hasn't made a game that has surpassed the original playstation 1 Crash Bandicoot games... those (and Crash) were better--and more popular--than Uncharted and Drake will ever be, IMO.
mau3genius
19-01-09, 19:36
Well right now, Uncharted and Tomb Raider can be easily compared. And Uncharted seems to be more successful. But, Lara Croft as a character is too much, and Nathan Drake is too little.
ShadyCroft
19-01-09, 20:20
Meh, as always, there's a new player in town and apparently its Nathan Drake now, but that doesn't mean he's better or bigger. Its all just the hype, and hype makes people crazy and "OMG! Thats Uncharted! ZOMG!!!"....it'll be over some day and something else will take the throne and have all the lights pointed at it.
LOLOLOL! :vlol: That's funny. :p I think Mr. Straley needs to pull his head out of his own ass...:whi:
I guess he's right, unless the producers of the next TR open their eyes and take Lara back from her grave.
:wve:
*laralover*
19-01-09, 21:24
I thought Uncharted was fun but the game didnt stand out to me like wow yeah this games going to last for years. I like the character though and i cant wait till Uncharted 2 comes out now but Tomb Raider is one of my favourite game series so nothing can beat Lara for me :p Saying that if Tomb Raider doesnt improve then who knows what will happen :o
ajrich17901
19-01-09, 21:49
In my eyes, yes nathan is gonna be bigger then lara. Because he's everything she used to be but better. Plus uncharted is alot more fun to play these days then the new TR games.
Unless Uncharted breaks PS3's firm grip, it won't reach TR stardom. Going multiple platforms is one of the factor that helps spread TR and Lara's popularity and influence.
Although another major factor is being that Lara is a British girl with nice racks. :D
Word of advice to Nathan if he wants to go bigger than TR,: up the sex appeal. That's how Lara conquered the world. :D
Prince of Persia did it with a few shirtless scene. Why can't Nathan? :D
Seriously tho, If Uncharted goes multiple-platform, it's popularity and influence will be much, much more widespread.
He secretly has buzzoms. :pi:
ajrich17901
19-01-09, 21:55
Unless Uncharted breaks PS3's firm grip, it won't reach TR stardom. Going multiple platforms is one of the factor that helps spread TR and Lara's popularity and influence.
Although another major factor is being that Lara is a British girl with nice racks. :D
Word of advice to Nathan if he wants to go bigger than TR,: up the sex appeal. That's how Lara conquered the world. :D
Prince of Persia did it with a few shirtless scene. Why can't Nathan? :D
Seriously tho, If Uncharted goes multiple-platform, it's popularity and influence will be much, much more widespread.
Sony will never let that happen >.> cant say i blame em.
Word of advice to Nathan if he wants to go bigger than TR,: up the sex appeal. That's how Lara conquered the world. :D
Prince of Persia did it with a few shirtless scene. Why can't Nathan? :D
Gimme those scenes :mis: :D!!!
Fallen.Angel
19-01-09, 21:57
I feel as though Uncharted IS the better game, however, in terms of popularity, practically no one can outreach Lara ATM. She's still a household name.
PS3 is still the underdog of consoles, so perhaps within time, things can change.
I feel as though Uncharted IS the better game, however, in terms of popularity, practically no one can outreach Lara ATM. She's still a household name.
PS3 is still the underdog of consoles, so perhaps within time, things can change.
Yep. The fact that Uncharted is PS3 exclusive will always stand between it and a wider non-gaming audience. Although...there is an Uncharted movie in production. Or...pre-production. I don't know exactly.
ajrich17901
19-01-09, 22:02
Yep. The fact that Uncharted is PS3 exclusive will always stand between it and a wider non-gaming audience. Although...there is an Uncharted movie in production. Or...pre-production. I don't know exactly.
And its gonna rock :D
Trigger_happy
19-01-09, 22:03
Zebra's point got me thinking: Nate may become bigger than Lara in PS3 player's eyes. What with MS basically buying Lara's adventures, Nate has become the new PS adventurer. Of course, with her decade of top heavy existance, Lara will be better known, but as she moves away from the consoles that made her, she will be replaced. I think that that is happening now.
@ajrich17901 : Do you have any idea who's lined up to play Nate? Any info on the film at all even?
AmericanAssassin
19-01-09, 22:12
Uncharted is a great series, but it doesn't even compare to Tomb Raider in my eyes. Lara's adventures have more depth and meaning. :)
da tomb raider!
19-01-09, 22:13
Definitely not. Even in it's current, pitiful state, Tomb Raider's got much more going for it than Uncharted, the most tedius game I've ever played.
ajrich17901
19-01-09, 22:18
@ajrich17901 : Do you have any idea who's lined up to play Nate? Any info on the film at all even?
There isnt much revealed yet just that the film is bein written and will be out most likely next year. But im hopin james roday plays nathan.
Trigger_happy
19-01-09, 22:32
Nolan North, the guy who voices Nate, looks quite like him:
http://voicechasers.com/images/actors/5414.jpg
Whatcha think?
x2crazyidiot
19-01-09, 22:33
How is that ridiculous? The amount of hype surrounding a game release is, of course, related to it's popularity. You don't see unpopular games receiving the same amount of attention from detail-hungry fans, do you? :rolleyes:
what I mean is the resulting hype of one film/game does not represent the overall popularity of the series as a whole. Uncharted may have received more hype than Tomb Raider Anniversary, and probably Underworld, but that does not mean that the Uncharted series is more popular than the Tomb Raider series ;)
ajrich17901
19-01-09, 22:35
Nolan North, the guy who voices Nate, looks quite like him:
http://voicechasers.com/images/actors/5414.jpg
Whatcha think?
O__O actualy he does, i wouldnt mind him playin him but if he cant james roday for the win:)
TRhalloween
19-01-09, 22:42
Zebra's point got me thinking: Nate may become bigger than Lara in PS3 player's eyes. What with MS basically buying Lara's adventures, Nate has become the new PS adventurer. Of course, with her decade of top heavy existance, Lara will be better known, but as she moves away from the consoles that made her, she will be replaced. I think that that is happening now.
@ajrich17901 : Do you have any idea who's lined up to play Nate? Any info on the film at all even?
They're not. They only had the DLC.
Carbonek_0051
19-01-09, 22:43
O__O actualy he does, i wouldnt mind him playin him but if he cant james roday for the win:)
http://mickeyworld.net/tv/james03.jpg
Ummmm no thank you. :rolleyes:
ajrich17901
19-01-09, 22:44
http://mickeyworld.net/tv/james03.jpg
Ummmm no thank you. :rolleyes:
My opinion i still want him to play nathan:p he looks and sounds like him.
oocladableeblah
19-01-09, 22:47
David Boreanz ftw as Nathan in the film.
Anyways whether or not Nathan is better than Lara idk depends on how popular Uncharted 2 is after release and how much hype there is on uncharted 3. I don't think you can really say uncharted is bigger than tr since tr is old and uncharted is new.
_Awestruck_
19-01-09, 22:49
If there were an uncharted movie the only person I see playing Nathan is David Boreanaz. As for Elena, Cameron Diaz.
Nolan North, the guy who voices Nate, looks quite like him:
http://voicechasers.com/images/actors/5414.jpg
Whatcha think?
Nice, but I shall wait for some topless pictures before I decide what I think :D
Nolan North, the guy who voices Nate, looks quite like him:
http://voicechasers.com/images/actors/5414.jpg
Whatcha think?
Nah. He doesn't look that much like him IMO.
Seriously tho, If Uncharted goes multiple-platform, it's popularity and influence will be much, much more widespread.
Here's hoping... :(
How is that ridiculous? The amount of hype surrounding a game release is, of course, related to it's popularity. You don't see unpopular games receiving the same amount of attention from detail-hungry fans, do you? :rolleyes:
have to disagree, many games get lots of hype e.g. mirrors edge and too human both of which recieved alot of hype and had a large following however both games resulted in being less popular than expected and underperforming
EmeraldFields
20-01-09, 01:08
Hmmm let's see.
Tomb Raider, played by millions on multiple platforms for 10 years.
Uncharted, played by hundreds of thousands on one platform for a few years.
:rolleyes:
:tmb:
silver_wolf
20-01-09, 01:12
I don't care if it means Eidos gets off their asses and gets serious about TR.
I cant see Nathan becoming a bigger icon than Lara in the public eye but because of the shambles that was Underworld i reckon gaming circles will soon swap to Nathan if they haven't already.
I really want another excellent adventure like uncharted, with good shooting and platforming that frankly blew tomb raider out of the water. Hopefuly the new game will give the Tomb Raider team a big enough kick up the proverbial to make them see people want a relationship rather than a "casual shag of an ugly" bird kind of game.
J.
I have always been more fond of women as protagonists but Nathan Drake's a very likeable character, I really enjoyed the first game!
^This, exactly.;)
Many people might say that Uncharted is much better than TR these days, but he will NEVER EVER be as big as Lara Croft.
I only have heard of him because people keep comparing the games, otherwise I would have never heard of him.
SykoSilver
20-01-09, 06:08
Uncharted: Drake's Fortune: 2.52m sales
...compared to
Tomb Raider: 7m
Tomb Raider II: 8m
Tomb Raider III: 5m
Tomb Raider: The Last Revelation: 4m
Tomb Raider Chronicles: 2m
Tomb Raider: The Angel of Darkness: 3m
Tomb Raider: Legend: 3m
Tomb Raider: Anniversary: 1m
Tomb Raider: Underworld: 1.5-2m
Not to forget:
Guinness World Record: Most successful video game heroine
Walk of Game star grantee
Lara Croft: Tomb Raider film:
Debuted at number one with $48.2m, Paramount's 2nd best, and 4th highest 2001 debut
Beat the opening record for a film featuring a female protagonist ($40.1 million for Charlie's Angels)
The most successful video game adaptation to film to date, grossing $300m
Got a sequel, as unsuccessful as it was...
Tied with Mario and Sonic in an MSN poll for "most iconic video game character"
Had a 50 issue comic book series Debut issue was number one-selling comic book of 1999 Re\Visioned: Tomb Raider Animated Series: 10-part animated series
TV advertisements for Lucozade, Visa, SEAT, G4
Cover girl for popular style magazine The Face in 1997
Several Professional models
Has a book dedicated to her by author Douglas Coupland
Appearance in music videos: Korn, U2, Die Artze
In U2's PopMart Tour
Has a song about her by Eugenio Finardi
Tons and tons of merchandise
In many more boys' wet dreams
EDIT: I forgot the most important of all:
Has a porn parody called Womb Raider
Carbonek_0051
20-01-09, 06:18
Uncharted: Drake's Fortune: 2.52m sales
...compared to
Tomb Raider: 7m
Tomb Raider II: 8m
Tomb Raider III: 5m
Tomb Raider: The Last Revelation: 4m
Tomb Raider Chronicles: 2m
Tomb Raider: The Angel of Darkness: 3m
Tomb Raider: Legend: 3m
Tomb Raider: Anniversary: 1m
Tomb Raider: Underworld: 1.5-2m
Not to forget:
Guinness World Record: Most successful video game heroine
Walk of Game star grantee
Lara Croft: Tomb Raider film:
Debuted at number one with $48.2m, Paramount's 2nd best, and 4th highest 2001 debut
Beat the opening record for a film featuring a female protagonist ($40.1 million for Charlie's Angels)
The most successful video game adaptation to film to date, grossing $300m
Got a sequel, as unsuccessful as it was...
Tied with Mario and Sonic in an MSN poll for "most iconic video game character"
Had a 50 issue comic book series Debut issue was number one-selling comic book of 1999 Re\Visioned: Tomb Raider Animated Series: 10-part animated series
TV advertisements for Lucozade, Visa, SEAT, G4
Cover girl for popular style magazine The Face in 1997
Several Professional models
Has a book dedicated to her by author Douglas Coupland
Appearance in music videos: Korn, U2, Die Artze
In U2's PopMart Tour
Has a song about her by Eugenio Finardi
Tons and tons of merchandise
In many more boys' wet dreams
EDIT: I forgot the most important of all:
Has a porn parody called Womb Raider
And this my friends is what we call, owned.:wve:
P.S. Uncharted will never be bigger than Lara, ever.
Chris.Talg0
20-01-09, 06:35
And this my friends is what we call, owned.:wve:
P.S. Uncharted will never be bigger than Lara, ever.
uncharted has been out for roughly about a year......compared to tomb raider's 13 years. give nate some time ;) and honestly, i am liking nate more than lara atm, and uncharted had loads of replay value and very rewarding things, unlike underworld which was filled with bugs and absolutely no replay value whatsoever. i never thought i would say this but, nate is leaving lara in the dust.
Carbonek_0051
20-01-09, 06:39
uncharted has been out for roughly about a year......compared to tomb raider's 13 years. give nate some time ;) and honestly, i am liking nate more than lara atm, and uncharted had loads of replay value and very rewarding things, unlike underworld which was filled with bugs and absolutely no replay value whatsoever. i never thought i would say this but, nate is leaving lara in the dust.
I highly doubt that Naughty Dog will keep Nate around for more than 3 games. The always do trilogies then move on to another series. So like I said I doubt he'll be around for a long time.;)
And honestly I am a fan of Uncharted but it had as much replay value as Underworld did. I'm pretty sure the movie will be rubbish (like most game movies) so I see nothing else happening with the Uncharted name.:)
Maybe it's just me.:wve:
Chris.Talg0
20-01-09, 06:43
And honestly I am a fan of Uncharted but it had as much replay value as Underworld did.
:vlol: sorry!
ajrich17901
20-01-09, 06:44
uncharted has been out for roughly about a year......compared to tomb raider's 13 years. give nate some time ;) and honestly, i am liking nate more than lara atm, and uncharted had loads of replay value and very rewarding things, unlike underworld which was filled with bugs and absolutely no replay value whatsoever. i never thought i would say this but, nate is leaving lara in the dust.
:tmb: agreed completely underworld had little to nothing after playin, uncharted has lots of goodies plus, trophys to keep ya even more busy.
Carbonek_0051
20-01-09, 06:50
:vlol: sorry!
I'm glad you laugh at my opinion because you probably didn't know what I ment.;) Thanks for being rude first off, and for ignoring the point I was trying to make.:)
Secondly, I played Uncharted everyday when I had my PS3 becuase I found it fun and enjoyed it. I now have a 360 and I play Underworld everyday, so therefore I found replay value in both. I believe that they are 2 different games and shouldn't be compared in the first place, but if people want to bring it into a comparison I will give my fair opinion. Naughty Dog has had 2 big series before Uncharted (Crash Bandicoot & the Jak series) both of which they did 3 games and ended both with a racing game. I honestly don't think they will make more than 3 games, they like to make new series than stick around with one and milk it. But what was the point in me typing this because you might just pick out what you want and turn it into a fanboy argument.:wve:
:tmb: agreed completely underworld had little to nothing after playin, uncharted has lots of goodies plus, trophys to keep ya even more busy.
Once again I have never found bugs in my TRU game, and TRU had no trophies? So what really? The classics & your fav game (AoD) had neither trophies or unlockables but hey whatever. Guess you forgot that didn't ya?;)
Chris.Talg0
20-01-09, 07:04
I'm glad you laugh at my opinion because you probably didn't know what I ment.;) Thanks for being rude first off, and for ignoring the point I was trying to make.:)
Secondly, I played Uncharted everyday when I had my PS3 becuase I found it fun and enjoyed it. I now have a 360 and I play Underworld everyday, so therefore I found replay value in both. I believe that they are 2 different games and shouldn't be compared in the first place, but if people want to bring it into a comparison I will give my fair opinion. Naughty Dog has had 2 big series before Uncharted (Crash Bandicoot & the Jak series) both of which they did 3 games and ended both with a racing game. I honestly don't think they will make more than 3 games, they like to make new series than stick around with one and milk it. But what was the point in me typing this because you might just pick out what you want and turn it into a fanboy argument.:wve:Once again I have never found bugs in my TRU game, and TRU and trophies? So what really? The classics & your fav games (AoD) had neither trophies or unlockables but hey whatever. Guess you forgot that didn't ya?;)
i was just saying that i like nate more than lara and uncharted had more replay value than underworld and that was all my opinion........ and so what if you haven't encountered any bugs? that doesn't mean that underworld is a bugless game. take a look at this thread......http://www.tombraiderforums.com/showthread.php?t=139555 bugs that have yet to be fixed. AND ajrich was talkin about uncharted, not underworld. he was sayin that on top of all the other things to do in uncharted, the trophies added even MORE replay value.
Carbonek_0051
20-01-09, 07:07
i was just saying that i like nate more than lara and uncharted had more replay value than underworld and that was all my opinion........ and so what if you haven't encountered any bugs? that doesn't mean that underworld is a bugless game. take a look at this thread......http://www.tombraiderforums.com/showthread.php?t=139555...bugs that have yet to be fixed. AND ajrich was talkin about uncharted, not underworld. he was sayin that on top of all the other things to do in uncharted, the trophies added even MORE replay value.
I have seen the thread thank you. And I was talking about TRU having no trophies to him, I had a typo.;)
And once again you ignored my point.:)
Chris.Talg0
20-01-09, 07:17
And once again you ignored my point.:)
what is it exactly? that uncharted will only have 3 games? :confused:
Saw this on a comment in Kotaku:
http://www.googlefight.net/?kw1=Lara%20Croft&kw2=Nathan%20Drake
:vlol: (vlol meaning funny, not sarcastic ;))
ajrich17901
20-01-09, 07:20
Once again I have never found bugs in my TRU game, and TRU had no trophies? So what really? The classics & your fav game (AoD) had neither trophies or unlockables but hey whatever. Guess you forgot that didn't ya?;)
I didnt say anything about bugs, but underworld did have alot now that you bring it up. And no i didnt forget that AOD didnt need any of that stuff because it was actualy fun to replay just for the sake of it, unlike underworld. Again my opinion
Carbonek_0051
20-01-09, 07:24
what is it exactly? that uncharted will only have 3 games? :confused:
*sigh*
You said this:
uncharted has been out for roughly about a year......compared to tomb raider's 13 years. give nate some time ;)
Now here is my point, I know how Naughty Dog works. They will make 3 games then move on to make a new series. How can a game with only 2 games (maybe a 3rd) and one movie (still not official) be more popular that a series that has been around for 13 years, has 9 games, expansions on PC, reaches multiple cosoles, has 2 movies (a possible 3rd in the works), and will most likely have more games over the years? If I went and asked my parents or any random person on the street who Nathan Drake is they wouldn't be able to tell me, however it would be different if I said Lara Croft. I'm sorry I just don't see him being more popular.:)
Saw this on a comment in Kotaku:
http://www.googlefight.net/?kw1=Lara%20Croft&kw2=Nathan%20Drake
:vlol: (vlol meaning funny, not sarcastic ;))
:vlol: So true.:p
I didnt say anything about bugs, but underworld did have alot now that you bring it up. And no i didnt forget that AOD didnt need any of that stuff because it was actualy fun to replay just for the sake of it, unlike underworld. Again my opinion
Ah but the article is about which game is more popular, not which is better.;)
Chris.Talg0
20-01-09, 07:35
*sigh*
You said this:
Now here is my point, I know how Naughty Dog works. They will make 3 games then move on to make a new series. How can a game with only 2 games (maybe a 3rd) and one movie (still not official) be more popular that a series that has been around for 13 years, has 9 games, expansions on PC, reaches multiple cosoles, has 2 movies (a possible 3rd in the works), and will most likely have more games over the years? If I went and asked my parents or any random person on the street who Nathan Drake is they wouldn't be able to tell me, however it would be different if I said Lara Croft. I'm sorry I just don't see him being more popular.:)
:vlol: So true.:p
Ah but the article is about which game is more popular, not which is better.;)
**SIGH**
does the ;) after what i said mean anything? dont take everything seriously. and what does ajrich's comment have to do with the article? :confused:
Carbonek_0051
20-01-09, 07:36
**SIGH**
does the ;) after what i said mean anything? dont take everything seriously. and what does ajrich's comment have to do with the article? :confused:
*facepalm*
You keep on ignoring my point.:wve:
ajrich17901
20-01-09, 07:37
**SIGH**
does the ;) after what i said mean anything? dont take everything seriously. and what does ajrich's comment have to do with the article? :confused:
Exactly what id like to know:confused:
Chris.Talg0
20-01-09, 08:06
*facepalm*
You keep on ignoring my point.:wve:
nope. i understand what your saying. and how was i ignoring it in that post?
Lol I don't see it happening... at least - not any time soon
Lol I don't see it happening... at least - not any time soon
Me either - I think the two games appeal to different gaming demographics, to be honest.
P.S. hi, fellow Yorkshire-er!
disneyprincess20
20-01-09, 12:58
Now here is my point, I know how Naughty Dog works. They will make 3 games then move on to make a new series.
Just because they did this with Crash, does it mean they will do the same with Uncharted? They also made Crash Team Racing before they moved on to other things.
Sorry, I just wanted to clarify your reasoning there. :)
there's two types of people in this thread...
Tomb Raider fanboy's: hate a potential threat so belittle the young pretender. and get very defensive.
Uncharted fanboy's: defend Drake to the max and proove it's worth.
and comparing a MULTI PLAT title with a SINGLE PLAT title is, well it looses credibility as it's not a valid argument. taking into account said consoles install base, Uncharted is not an epic failure and that is clear by a sequel due this year ;)
can Uncharted be bigger than Tomb Raider? yes
will Uncharted be bigger than Tomb Raider? no, it needs be around a very long time.
Uncharted, 1 game released, 1 movie in very early stages, a sequel game due. i'd say it's a start :jmp:
oh and i want proof Naughty Dog will end at 3 games, Uncharted is a whole new animal compared to Crash & Jak :D
interstellardave
20-01-09, 13:42
Like I said earlier, but I'll say it again... Crash was bigger than Drake will ever be as a recognizable character. The original Crash games were better too and, I daresay, sold better. In fact Crash was kind of the unofficial Playstation mascot back in the day--he gave Lara a run for her money, not Drake. I will be surprised if Drake reaches such a level of recognizability and popularity... but one thing is sure: it certainly hasn't happened yet.
Larson_1988
20-01-09, 13:43
I just hope Uncharted 2 will go away from the massive hordes of enemies constantly appearing and focus more on the puzzles. That would make a so much better game! :D
I just hope Uncharted 2 will go away from the massive hordes of enemies constantly appearing and focus more on the puzzles. That would make a so much better game! :D
no, it would lose it's identify and became pure TR clone :(
Larson_1988
20-01-09, 13:58
And what's wrong with that? :tea: J/k
But nah, seriously! At least weigh them up equally, 50/50 enemies/puzzles.
And what's wrong with that? :tea: J/k
But nah, seriously! At least weigh them up equally, 50/50 enemies/puzzles.
there's certainly nothing right with it that's for sure. less ammo the TR zealots have the better IMO :D
Larson_1988
20-01-09, 14:06
Well, just because i wish less enemies in Uncharted 2 does not mean that i'm comparing the franchise with TR. Just more variety. :)
Well, just because i wish less enemies in Uncharted 2 does not mean that i'm comparing the franchise with TR. Just more variety. :)
more enemies the better, i like a challenge :D
Larson_1988
20-01-09, 14:14
Possibly! But Drake's fortune was extreme. :ohn:
Possibly! But Drake's fortune was extreme. :ohn:
really? i found it acceptable, even on crushing :D
even to this day Uncharted is the only game i have worthy of my time and effort getting all the trophies
Carbonek_0051
20-01-09, 14:21
Just because they did this with Crash, does it mean they will do the same with Uncharted? They also made Crash Team Racing before they moved on to other things.
Sorry, I just wanted to clarify your reasoning there. :)
The also did it with the Jak series, and I really don't count the racing games as part of the actual series but as a spin off.
there's two types of people in this thread...
Tomb Raider fanboy's: hate a potential threat so belittle the young pretender. and get very defensive.
Uncharted fanboy's: defend Drake to the max and proove it's worth.
Well if this was aimed at me, I would for you to point out where I said I didn't like Uncharted, because I love both games but neither should be compared as they are 2 different games. And you sir are belittling people in here defending TR with that comment.;)
and comparing a MULTI PLAT title with a SINGLE PLAT title is, well it looses credibility as it's not a valid argument. taking into account said consoles install base, Uncharted is not an epic failure and that is clear by a sequel due this year ;)
Actually the mulitplatform argument is valid seeing as it reaches a wider audiance, meaning more people will be able to access it therefore know who the person is. And what does TR being a failure have to do with anything? Once again this is in not an argument about what game is better but about which one is more popular. TR has another game in plan too, Justin has already seen concept art apparently. TR isn't going anywhere for a long time.
can Uncharted be bigger than Tomb Raider? yes
will Uncharted be bigger than Tomb Raider? no, it needs be around a very long time.
Exactly.;) And would have to have a ton of games, which I doubt it will.
Uncharted, 1 game released, 1 movie in very early stages, a sequel game due. i'd say it's a start :jmp:
How many movies based on games stay true to them or are even truly sucessful?
oh and i want proof Naughty Dog will end at 3 games, Uncharted is a whole new animal compared to Crash & Jak :D
I never said it was a guaranteed fact, I said I believe they will. Naughty Dog like to be creative and do new series. As a fan of Uncharted I really hope they don't try to milk Uncharted.
The also did it with the Jak series, and I really don't count the racing games as part of the actual series but as a spin off.
Well if this was aimed at me, I would for you to point out where I said I didn't like Uncharted, because I love both games but neither should be compared as they are 2 different games. And you sir are belittling people in here defending TR with that comment.;)
Actually the mulitplatform argument is valid seeing as it reaches a wider audiance, meaning more people will be able to acess it therefore know who the person is. And what does TR being a failure have to do with anything? Once again this is in not an argument about what game is better but about which one is more popular. TR has another game in plan too, Justin has already seen concept art apparently. TR isn't going anywhere for a long time.
Exactly.;) And would have to have a ton of games, which I doubt it will.
How many movies based on games stay true to them or are even truly sucessful?
I never said it was a guaranteed fact, I said I believe they will. Naughty Dog like to be creative and do new series. As a fan of Uncharted I really hope they don't try to milk Uncharted.
i still say the multiplat argument isn't valid againt single plat to proove a point. TR is established and centered around multiplat whereas Uncharted is but a platform exclusive.pretty obvious which will have greater sales.
i never denied TR's standing, at the very least it's had two bad games.
Uncharted in theory is ripe for cinema, and i believe it will or has the ability to remain true to it's gaming roots :D
Carbonek_0051
20-01-09, 14:41
i still say the multiplat argument isn't valid againt single plat to proove a point. TR is established and centered around multiplat whereas Uncharted is but a platform exclusive.pretty obvious which will have greater sales.
I'm not talking about sales. I'm talking about popularity, as in people know who she is. Like I said in a previous post, a lot of people know who Lara is either because of the game being avaliable to everyone or because of the movies with Angelina Jolie.:)
Uncharted in theory is ripe for cinema, and i believe it will or has the ability to remain true to it's gaming roots :D
I truly do hope so, but even with a move that stays true to it's roots doesn't mean it will be well recieved by critics. I can already see Indiana Jones, National Treasure, & Tomb Raider comparisons. Which will be unfair but critics are *******s who rip movies apart.:rolleyes:
Uncharted was fortunate to be released when the PS3 had very little going for it in its game library. Initially its sales started very slow but eventually picked up, still because there was not much competition for it on the PS3 side.
Had it been released in a period such as when TRU was released I doubt it would have been as successful. IMO it would have been received as a pretty run-of-the-mill TPS, with a hokey story line, extremely linear in design, an almost exclusive focus on shooting endless streams of enemies, but good graphics. The ending was particularly bad
Carbonek_0051
20-01-09, 14:45
Uncharted was fortunate to be released when the PS3 had very little going for it in its game library. Initially its sales started very slow but eventually picked up, still because there was not much competition for it on the PS3 side.
Had it been released in a period such as when TRU was released I doubt it would have been as successful. IMO it would have been received as a pretty run-of-the-mill TPS, with a hokey story line, extremely linear in design, an almost exclusive focus on shooting endless streams of enemies, but good graphics. The ending was particularly bad
I agree, and I'm glad I wasn't the only one who didn't like the ending. I just hope that they improve Uncharted 2 if they really do expect it to be a success.
Tomb Raider Jay
20-01-09, 14:47
Having thought about this last night - am off college for the week cause it's "teacher training"... it's not really I have a source who says they go out to bars and get drunk! :D
I think Nate and Lara should learn from one another... not wait
Naughty Dog has already took everything great about TR and made it better for Uncharted - the climbing, the action and the characters are all there, so much bigger and better than any of Lara's past digs.
Now Lara just needs to nick them back, better climbing, shooting and puzzling!!
The way to do it?
MAKE TR LIKE OBLIVION!!! :jmp:
Non-linear, complete freedom to roam the islands she's exploring - you know TR9 has got to be set on like 5 islands right? - all big, huge non-linear islands with different themes and locales to explore and solve puzzle/battle supernatural foes and local wildlife!!! the ULTIMATE TR!!! :D
Then Lara can turn round and say "In your face Natey" :ton:
Please, you know this is how TR needs to innovate and become brilliant again, just do it CD don't be such scardy cats!! :)
interstellardave
20-01-09, 14:47
Samsdad speaks the truth...
@ Tomb Raider Jay... the "Oblivion-esq" idea has been around a while now... many people love it but others see it as not being TR at all. It would no-doubt be controversial; I support it but I don't think the series is going that direction any time soon.
Carbonek_0051
20-01-09, 14:52
Naughty Dog has already took everything great about TR and made it better for Uncharted - the climbing, the action and the characters are all there, so much bigger and better than any of Lara's past digs.
Now Lara just needs to nick them back, better climbing, shooting and puzzling!!
The way to do it?
How did Uncharted do TR better?:confused:
To my awareness Uncharted was focused on action, and TR is focused on exploring and puzzles solving. Uncharted's so called puzzles had the solutions right in the journal which you are basically forced to look at to solve (not to mention there wasn't very many "puzzles in the game). And waves and waves of enemies gets tedious. Not to mention there was barely and platforming in Uncharted. Also the fact Uncharted is very linear and short (oh and I swear I saw those characters in the latest Indiana Jones film:)). Like I said 2 completely different games.;)
I'm not talking about sales. I'm talking about popularity, as in people know who she is. Like I said in a previous post, a lot of people know who Lara is either because of the game being avaliable to everyone or because of the movies with Angelina Jolie.:)
I truly do hope so, but even with a move that stays true to it's roots doesn't mean it will be well recieved by critics. I can already see Indiana Jones, National Treasure, & Tomb Raider comparisons. Which will be unfair but critics are *******s who rip movies apart.:rolleyes:
if i paid attention to reviews i'd have no games or films :vlol: i go againt popular opinion to make up my own mind.
popularity, well again a decade vs 2 years isn't exactly fair, an established IP vs a new one. TR has been imbedded in our heads for ages.
i still say an Uncharted movie will be good :jmp: it has all the elements in place for it
oocladableeblah
20-01-09, 15:07
oh and i want proof Naughty Dog will end at 3 games, Uncharted is a whole new animal compared to Crash & Jak :D
I doubt there will be three because both jak and crash didn't have 3 games Jak had 4 and Crash had 4. Now they did both end in racing games :vlol: Uncharted: Temple Racing :p
Carbonek_0051
20-01-09, 15:11
I doubt there will be three because both jak and crash didn't have 3 games Jak had 4 and Crash had 5. Now they did both end in racing games :vlol: Uncharted: Temple Racing :p
I would play it.:whi:
Now correction time Bugs.:mis:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naughty_Dog#Games
Each had 4 games if you count the racing games (which I don't because they are spin-offs IMO).:ton:
EDIT: Damn you. You edited before I posted, I'll get you next time you waskuwy wabbit.:pi:
I doubt there will be three because both jak and crash didn't have 3 games Jak had 4 and Crash had 4. Now they did both end in racing games :vlol: Uncharted: Temple Racing :p
you do know Sony own ND and the Uncharted IP? it's a franchise make no mistake. at best Uncharted won't be milked to the point of overkill. i also reckon ND will work on other stuff between games.
you wait and see :D
when i compare him i feel Lara is stronger, you see that everyday men are exploring but you hardly see a woman taking on men with her hands, duing acrobatic stunts and discovering items!
It happens everytime! If you see a woman and a man and compare them you know that the woman is stronger!!!
Trigger_happy
20-01-09, 15:59
Had it been released in a period such as when TRU was released I doubt it would have been as successful. IMO it would have been received as a pretty run-of-the-mill TPS, with a hokey story line, extremely linear in design, an almost exclusive focus on shooting endless streams of enemies, but good graphics. The ending was particularly bad
Personally, I feel that it would have been the other way round: a new IP from a renowned developer like Uncharted would have made even larger comparisons with TR, and I feel that TR would have won. Just from Previews and things, I think that uncharted would be much more hyped- TR:U would just be another game pumped out by Eidos for a bit more cash. Tr:U sales may have been affected if they had sent the game out against Uncharted.
Personally, I feel that it would have been the other way round: a new IP from a renowned developer like Uncharted would have made even larger comparisons with TR, and I feel that TR would have won. Just from Previews and things, I think that uncharted would be much more hyped- TR:U would just be another game pumped out by Eidos for a bit more cash. Tr:U sales may have been affected if they had sent the game out against Uncharted.
I was not talking about the situation where the two games would have been releases simultaneously. I was talking about the success of Uncharted if it had been release at the same time as say GOw2 and COD4 and Mirror's Edge and etc. in the way that TRU was.Basically Uncharted was the only really decent game available for the PS3 for quite a while. The very fact that folks are still talking about it is IMO a refelction of the weakness of the PS3 library.
Trigger_happy
20-01-09, 16:37
Whoops- I've had a long day at school...
I'm not so sure. Maybe it was a tactical positioning by Sony- they did the sensible thing- for a change- and sent out the game where it would get the recognition it deserves. Eidos again tired to make a quik buck and failed. I still think that Uncharted would sell reasonably well, even with the competition. I don't think TR:U or another game would have impacted greatly on sales- exclusives like Uncharted seem to be reasonably immune to competition.
interstellardave
20-01-09, 16:41
TRU was released during a BRUTAL stretch of game releases... it would surely have done better if released during a time when few games were coming out. Same with Uncharted... it was one of the few well-reviewed games you could get for the PS3 for quite a while; it was also graphically very pretty and everyone likes to show off their new system with something like that. Uncharted would have struggled pretty badly during that same stretch of time when TRU came out too. Don't forget that was when the financial worries started hitting the headlines too.
I was not talking about the situation where the two games would have been releases simultaneously. I was talking about the success of Uncharted if it had been release at the same time as say GOw2 and COD4 and Mirror's Edge and etc. in the way that TRU was.Basically Uncharted was the only really decent game available for the PS3 for quite a while. The very fact that folks are still talking about it is IMO a refelction of the weakness of the PS3 library.
or maybe Uncharted is simply untouchable and that's why folk still dissuss it. i myself have yet to see anything come close. people have standards and Uncharted set those standards by working with the system.
ever considered people might have bought both? no because it goes against the PS3 bashfest and woe betide the slightest success.
where's the positive threads eh! such as PS2 smashing 50m units in the US in december, and people demand Sony kill it. shows what joe public knows really (nothing)
Uncharted would have struggled pretty badly during that same stretch of time when TRU came out too.
You forget that Uncharted is a completely new IP in contrast with TR.
If Uncharted 2 had come out at the same time as TRU did,i'm sure it would have done a lot better than TRU.
You forget that Uncharted is a completely new IP in contrast with TR.
If Uncharted 2 had come out at the same time as TRU did,i'm sure it would have done a lot better than TRU.
you know, it probably would. (PS3 version at least) but yet again people tend to use multiplat titles to argue against PS3.
Uncharted 2 would probably take TRU down a dark alley beat it with an iron bar then leave it for dead. infact ANY PS3 game would, exclusive or not.
interstellardave
20-01-09, 17:32
You forget that Uncharted is a completely new IP in contrast with TR.
If Uncharted 2 had come out at the same time as TRU did,i'm sure it would have done a lot better than TRU.
We're not talking about Uncharted 2 though... it's all about what's out now. Fallout 3, Little Big Planet, Resistance 2 and COD:WOW all came out when TRU did (and that's just the big competition on the PS3 I'm talking about). When Uncharted came out there was literally no real competition on the PS3. Even so, the article is about Naughty Dog indicating that they think Uncharted and Drake is now "bigger" than Tomb Raider and Lara...
I don't think any serious case can be made for that... like I said Crash was bigger, so Drake/Uncharted isn't even the biggest franchise that ND has created!
MAKE TR LIKE OBLIVION!!! :jmp:
Dont make me hurt you!
If they make it like oblivion i will burn anything i have related to tomb raider and then maybe like make a gravestone and put lara on it and her date of death as the release of that game! and then bury a copy of that game under neath it and then i would urinate on it and then put petrol on it and set it on fire.
Im not tring to say theres anything wrong with oblivion (ok i lie) and i dont mind people putting ideas for a free roam tomb raider. My problem is, Tomb raider was unique it was the first of its kind, and now we have come to the point where we have to STEAL other games idea, i mean how derogatary is that?
Not to mention the fact game reviews and fans would go mental saying "oblivion clone" or "if you want a game like this; play oblivion" or "OMG they totaly copied oblivions idea"
And tomb raider and oblivion are 2 different games from 2 different genres. Keep tomb raider as a puzzle game not an RPG!
Urgh.... rant over :)
you know, it probably would. (PS3 version at least) but yet again people tend to use multiplat titles to argue against PS3.
Uncharted 2 would probably take TRU down a dark alley beat it with an iron bar then leave it for dead. infact ANY PS3 game would, exclusive or not.
If Uncharted 2 follows the pattern of Uncharted then we can expect a very linear game, lots of shooting, little or no exploration, laughable puzzles, and a B movie plot. The graphics will be good but that seems to be what most laud in Uncharted. IMO graphics do not make the game.
If Uncharted 2 follows the pattern of Uncharted then we can expect a very linear game, lots of shooting, little or no exploration, laughable puzzles, and a B movie plot. The graphics will be good but that seems to be what most laud in Uncharted. IMO graphics do not make the game.
funny that, given it was the story and concept that got me interested. fact: Uncharted is the ONLY game i ever played from beginning to end in a single go (12hrs 8mins) all because i enjoyed the story. i wanted to see what came next. not even MGS4 had that effect and it too was great.
and just to point out Uncharted aint TR, it's not adventure then action, but action then adventure.
seems to me folks expected way too much of a TR clone, and we get it, you hate PS3, screw the shares and move on. kick back enjoy the 360 :D
that sounded harsher than i meant :(
Uncharted has only had one game yet, so obviously it's not as well known as Tomb Raider. :)
But in ten year or so, after several good games, he'll probably be as well known as Lara is now.
I enjoyed Uncharted MUCH more than the recent Tomb Raider games.
We're not talking about Uncharted 2 though... it's all about what's out now.
In your previous post you talked hypothetically about a "what if" situation that i think it cannot be compared between those 2 franchises.
That's why i also talked hypothetically using Uncharted 2 as an (more fair) example...
Anyway,as i said before there's no question that Tomb Raider is the most popular of the two even now that the series is in decline.
Uncharted is doing extremely well though for a new IP and its popularity can only go upwards.
IceColdLaraCroft
20-01-09, 18:22
It's made by Naughty Dog. so isn't it basically just Crash Bandicoot with guns?
Uncharted is ONE game. ONE installment of a game does NOT stand up to more than 10 years and 9 games of Tomb Raider.
interstellardave
20-01-09, 18:48
In your previous post you talked hypothetically about a "what if" situation that i think it cannot be compared between those 2 franchises.
That's why i also talked hypothetically using Uncharted 2 as an (more fair) example...
Anyway,as i said before there's no question that Tomb Raider is the most popular of the two even now that the series is in decline.
Uncharted is doing extremely well though for a new IP and its popularity can only go upwards.
True, but I wasn't the first one to bring that situation up... all along, I've been responding to arguments people are making one way or another. I just think Uncharted is a bit overrated--and it obviously can't match Tomb Raiders' longevity (but it's the article that's doing that, not me). Plus I think Uncharted isn't ready to be compared to previous ND successes, even.
I guess the main statement I've been making, ignoring any hypotheticals is this:
Tomb Raider > Crash > Uncharted
And you can throw Jak & Daxter in between Crash and Uncharted if you want, although I thought that series went straight downhill after #1 (which I loved).
ajrich17901
20-01-09, 21:53
or maybe Uncharted is simply untouchable and that's why folk still dissuss it. i myself have yet to see anything come close. people have standards and Uncharted set those standards by working with the system.
ever considered people might have bought both? no because it goes against the PS3 bashfest and woe betide the slightest success.
where's the positive threads eh! such as PS2 smashing 50m units in the US in december, and people demand Sony kill it. shows what joe public knows really (nothing)
:tmb:exactly
oocladableeblah
20-01-09, 22:15
you do know Sony own ND and the Uncharted IP? it's a franchise make no mistake. at best Uncharted won't be milked to the point of overkill. i also reckon ND will work on other stuff between games.
you wait and see :D
Yeah I know that, who doesn't.
If Uncharted 2 follows the pattern of Uncharted then we can expect a very linear game, lots of shooting, little or no exploration, laughable puzzles, and a B movie plot. The graphics will be good but that seems to be what most laud in Uncharted. IMO graphics do not make the game.
Really because the story, characters, and gameplay I loved and they got me hooked.
I haven't played Uncharted but from what I've read and saw from it it's just another company's copy of Lara. They probably only made the game because Tomb Raider is having some hard times.
uncharted might match tomb raider on coming to the same level, but not bigger. For uncharted to reach the same level as tomb raider, the game would have to be in numerous magazines even the ones not for video games, the second and third games would also have to be very good, there's gotta be a movie, and the game would have to have sold some 20 million copies. as soon as it reaches that level i will say uncharted is on the same level not bigger though. this is of course my opinion and Lara came first, she's been around for so long now of course everybody is going to know her.
don't get me wrong, i like uncharted i just disagree with that guys statement
uncharted might match tomb raider on coming to the same level, but not bigger. For uncharted to reach the same level as tomb raider, the game would have to be in numerous magazines even the ones not for video games, the second and third games would also have to be very good, there's gotta be a movie, and the game would have to have sold some 20 million copies. as soon as it reaches that level i will say uncharted is on the same level not bigger though. this is of course my opinion and Lara came first, she's been around for so long now of course everybody is going to know her.
don't get me wrong, i like uncharted i just disagree with that guys statement
There you go.:)
Ward Dragon
21-01-09, 08:00
Let me put it this way -- my best friend really isn't into games anymore (he stopped about the time the PS1 came out). He knows who Lara is. He has no clue who or what Uncharted is, let alone Nathan Drake. That should say something about which series is more well-known :p He is also familiar with a few of the more popular recent games such as World of Warcraft because they are referenced in TV shows, news, etc. (and he also saw a commercial for Underworld and thought it looked awesome). On the other hand, I don't think I've ever seen a reference to Uncharted outside of dedicated gaming websites, so I doubt it will gain the public recognition that Tomb Raider has.
oocladableeblah
21-01-09, 14:45
I haven't played Uncharted but from what I've read and saw from it it's just another company's copy of Lara. They probably only made the game because Tomb Raider is having some hard times.
Yeah I'm sure that's the reason :rolleyes: they just sat there waiting for tomb raider to fail once it did they are like "Okay boys (and gals) here's what we are gonna do just copy and paste from tomb raider."
I fail to see this striking similarity between Uncharted and Tomb Raider. Other than Drake being a treasure hunter, it's not a complete copy.
toxicraider
21-01-09, 17:54
They're really different games, and besides no it can't be bigger until they release 9 seperate games, plus add ons and remakes :rolleyes:
sure it could become more popular than underworld, or any tomb raider game released now, although it's unlikely considering the ps3's small install base. I think it's just wishful thinking :rolleyes:, and I'm sure those guys said that they didn't want uncharted to be compared to tomb raider.
They're really different games, and besides no it can't be bigger until they release 9 seperate games, plus add ons and remakes :rolleyes:
sure it could become more popular than underworld, or any tomb raider game released now, although it's unlikely considering the ps3's small install base. I think it's just wishful thinking :rolleyes:, and I'm sure those guys said that they didn't want uncharted to be compared to tomb raider.
Yep. And they didn't do it. The reporter did.
toxicraider
21-01-09, 18:14
Yep. And they didn't do it. The reporter did.
It says that's what Bruce Straley said :confused:
Trigger_happy
21-01-09, 18:40
yeah, but CVG also said that Eric Linstrom said Eidos cut material from Tr:U to sell as DLC.
They're very creative with the truth sometimes.
Uncharted is not bigger than TR. ppl may like Uncharted better than TRU, or any of the other TR games; but as a whole TR is waaaaaaayyyyyyy bigger than Uncharted.
Lara Croft is also waaaaaayyyyy bigger than Nathan Drake. she's the most famous video-game female. it was even in the 2008 Guiness book of World Records. (i think it was 2008)
I'm sure TR & Lara will always be bigger in terms of fame, it has a lot under its belt.:) As for uncharted being better then current TR games, well it is in many ways such as visuals, polish & story telling but I still prefer TR's gameplay, even the zero challenge new ones.
Sure Lara is more famous but I'd like TR the game to be respected & thought of as big game again. Uncharted is a very respected game & there have been rumuors of an Uncharted movie, & it's sequel is out this year which looks impressive. I just hope the next TR is taken to new heights so it can be in the top league of games again, it's what Uncharted is aiming for.:)
GenyaArikado
21-01-09, 23:49
Jill Valentine, Chris Redfield, Alucard and Lara are far better that Drake
“Why, do you think he’s not already there, if not beyond that point already, in terms of popularity?”
http://i465.photobucket.com/albums/rr19/migdumaual/hftdu567trdyrty.jpg
^ hahahah :vlol: :vlol: That made my day....
JoeyEdinburgh
22-01-09, 01:36
http://www.computerandvideogames.com/
What do you guys think? We all know that with increasing frequency, TR is being compared to Uncharted, perhaps unfairly. Is Uncharted truly bigger than TR these days?
In my opinion its not even a comparison that needs to made. I loved Uncharted and I love Tomb Raider. I like both these games on their individual merits and think they both have their own qualities. I think the comment on Nathan Drake being as popular as Lara might be a slight over staement considering how long the TR franchise has been going but he has certainly started out with the same impact as Lara did in the first TR and I agree that the story telling being more movie like was a great way to go. It was different, graphics were beautiful, characetr was individual and compelling and I certainly had a genuine care for all the characters. I almost got sad when a ceratin character (dont want any spoilers) was believed to have been a traitor. BRING ON the sequel I cant wait.
AmericanAssassin
22-01-09, 04:27
Let's put it this way... If Lara and Drake got in a fight, Lara would kick Drake's ass. No competition. :mis:
Chris.Talg0
22-01-09, 05:00
Let's put it this way... If Lara and Drake got in a fight, Lara would kick Drake's ass. No competition. :mis:
if nate got lara by the neck she would be pwned. she has no idea how to break free if shes in that kind of situaton. (kold & Natla in TRA, doppelganger in TRU) :mis:
ajrich17901
22-01-09, 05:02
Let's put it this way... If Lara and Drake got in a fight, Lara would kick Drake's ass. No competition. :mis:
:vlol:...ok then lmao
Carbonek_0051
22-01-09, 05:06
Let's put it this way... If Lara and Drake got in a fight, Lara would kick Drake's ass. No competition. :mis:
Oh I agree:mis:
if nate got lara by the neck she would be pwned. she has no idea how to break free if shes in that kind of situaton. (kold & Natla in TRA, doppelganger in TRU) :mis:
:vlol:...ok then lmao
Wow really?
Chris.Talg0
22-01-09, 05:11
Wow really?
yup
tha_mattster
22-01-09, 05:17
Her head is so massive in that screenshot :eek: so ugly and round. I prefer Drake's appearence - it's more realistic. His animations look more fluid too.
Obviously he would win in a fight. 1st: Lara would refuse to fight a human for the sake of it. 2nd: His weapons are more powerful and can kill enemies in a couple of shots whereas Lara needs to shoot about 20 times. If Lara did win, then she would need counselling to help her recover from killing a human. Oh and Drake would come back from the dead cos her enemies never die :D
Ward Dragon
22-01-09, 05:19
yup
Nah, I think Lara has some sort of luck fairy following her around because there are always somewhat improbable circumstances that make up for whatever ineptitude Lara demonstrates. If Nathan got her by the neck, then somehow his shoelaces would get tangled together, he'd trip, and he'd impale himself on a conveniently placed cactus. :whi:
Carbonek_0051
22-01-09, 05:25
Nah, I think Lara has some sort of luck fairy following her around because there are always somewhat improbable circumstances that make up for whatever ineptitude Lara demonstrates. If Nathan got her by the neck, then somehow his shoelaces would get tangled together, he'd trip, and he'd impale himself on a conveniently placed cactus. :whi:
:vlol:
Indeed:pi:
Nah, I think Lara has some sort of luck fairy following her around because there are always somewhat improbable circumstances that make up for whatever ineptitude Lara demonstrates. If Nathan got her by the neck, then somehow his shoelaces would get tangled together, he'd trip, and he'd impale himself on a conveniently placed cactus. :whi:
lmao :vlol:
AmericanAssassin
22-01-09, 12:42
if nate got lara by the neck she would be pwned. she has no idea how to break free if shes in that kind of situaton. (kold & Natla in TRA, doppelganger in TRU) :mis:
I don't think he'd be able to do that. Lara could just massacre him with Excalibur at this point.
Well, 2 of 5 of my gaming mates are PS3 gamers. Even they haven't heard of Uncharted whereas all but 1 of my friends know who Lara Croft is without ever seeing me play Tomb Raider, even my girlfriend and her friends know who Lara is. :)
tranniversary119
22-01-09, 13:31
It seems someone's head has inflated... :tea:
My thoughts exactly ;)
TRhalloween
22-01-09, 13:35
if nate got lara by the neck she would be pwned. she has no idea how to break free if shes in that kind of situaton. (kold & Natla in TRA, doppelganger in TRU) :mis:
TRA-That was over 10 years ago. She was about 20.
TRU-Doppelgänger is superhuman.
Chris.Talg0
22-01-09, 23:46
TRA-That was over 10 years ago. She was about 20.
TRU-Doppelgänger is superhuman.
she didnt even try to break free. watch the cutscenes again. she just holds the other persons wrist and makes a ridiculous face. :pi:
he is very likeable... i just got bored in the game...
lara is also likeable,.. and i like the games a tad more:D...
lets see what the future brings. if uncharted gets more exploration and less shooting, and if the shooting gets automatic, instead of manual aiming then and only then i may like uncharted a bit more than i do now.
TRA-That was over 10 years ago. She was about 20.
TRU-Doppelgänger is superhuman.
Nah, I must admit that CD's Lara is weak, she got pwned by the Doppelgänger twice. I miss the old die-hard bad-ass Lara.
Nah, I must admit that CD's Lara is weak, she got pwned by the Doppelgänger twice. I miss the old die-hard bad-ass Lara.
well, of course she got pwned by the doppelganger! she knows what you are going to do, even before you do it!
uncharted is better yes , but only better than cristal tomb raider ! not old tomb raider
Lara Fan 4Life
07-04-09, 11:57
You can't really compare them, to be honest. I like both characters equally, and hate when people compare them together. It is obvious that Uncharted copied TR style gameplay, but in my view they made a better game than Legend and Underworld. Lara is still more popular, even my mom and nan know who she is. The games might not sell that much these days, but Lara is still a popular games character. Just to add this in, Lara tied with Mario and Sonic for an UK poll for the best games characters, although she was placed third. ;)
When we asked if Drake could ever be as big as Lara, Straley replied, "Why, do you think he's not already there, if not beyond that point already, in terms of popularity?To best answer the question above, let me tell this simple Q&A that I did with my mate. (He's an avid gamer tho he NEVER played neither TR nor Uncharted. His love and loyalty lay with Prince of Persia :D)
Me: Do you know Lara Croft?
Mate: Of course.
Me: Do you know Nathan Drake?
Mate: Who?
See, I'm not comparing which game is better, but based on that developer (a tad cocky in my opinion) question above, Nathan Drake and Uncharted have a LONG way to go to get brand recognition as what Lara Croft and Tomb Raider have achieved.
One way they can achieve this is by releasing the game across multi-platform. But since they are already wearing ankle chain balls with Sony brand, I'll doubt that would happen.
Unless the PS3 slash their prices dramatically.... :D
Even my dear mother knows who Lara Croft is. :D Uncharted is not bigger than Tomb Raider. Not yet.... :D With the right marketing and brand recognition, it may achieve that. Until then, they can keep on dreaming.... :D
Sorry for double posting. Mistakenly pressed quote instead of edit.
TerraCreek
08-04-09, 00:35
They'll just keep saying that because Lara and Nathan Drake are neck and neck, at least to me. xD I still love you Naughty-Dog!
Shark_Blade
08-04-09, 00:41
Agree with you M.A. :D It'll take some time for them to know Drake, to get the brand recognition embedded into their brain.
I believe this franchise has big potential.
Lara Croft used to be cool. Her attitude really need a major makeover imo. What makes Nate compelling to me? His personality of course.
Lara Croft started it all and will forever be the one who started it all. And no frat-boy-look-alike on some cheesy action/adventure Tomb Raider rip-off is ever going to be able to replace her for countless reasons, many of which I won't bother stating because everyone else has stated them for me.
It's just a trend. Sooner or later they'll be bored with 'Uncharted' adventures and the same old routine and be on to the next big action adventure game. Good project for Naughty Dog to do but I'd rather see a Jak 4.
words of wisdom!!!! that might as well have made elana fisher the main one and slaped the name tomb raider on the cover!!
seriously in the future lara will raid tombs tombs and more tombs nate will raid tombs then house's and then bins!! that is how low he will go and unless he finds money in one of those bins he aint ever riseing from bin raiding ever!!!! Muwhahaaaaaa
silver_wolf
08-04-09, 00:52
I don't like it but it's true. Lara's not as big as she was, and most people who see TR immediately cry Uncharted rip-off, so...they're right.
I don't like it but it's true. Lara's not as big as she was, and most people who see TR immediately cry Uncharted rip-off, so...they're right.
CD needs to sort it out. The next one is a hit or miss. Really. Lara has a chance to be "completely" next-gen this time around, so no more fooling around the PS2 version, and let's get it on with the serious things.
They need to push everything to a whole new level. Lara has to take back her throne!
LaraRules81
08-04-09, 02:46
words of wisdom!!!! that might as well have made elana fisher the main one and slaped the name tomb raider on the cover!!
seriously in the future lara will raid tombs tombs and more tombs nate will raid tombs then house's and then bins!! that is how low he will go and unless he finds money in one of those bins he aint ever riseing from bin raiding ever!!!! Muwhahaaaaaa
Absolutely :D
CD needs to sort it out. The next one is a hit or miss. Really. Lara has a chance to be "completely" next-gen this time around, so no more fooling around the PS2 version, and let's get it on with the serious things.
They need to push everything to a whole new level. Lara has to take back her throne!
In many peoples eyes, she never lost it :hug: <3 You Lara
I think CD and whoever gets lara next need to make her something and make the game something.....I mean like have the game solid so that you are at a stage where you can go through 3 games with only having to change a few things and not have to overhual the engine..
ajrich17901
08-04-09, 03:07
words of wisdom!!!! that might as well have made elana fisher the main one and slaped the name tomb raider on the cover!!
seriously in the future lara will raid tombs tombs and more tombs nate will raid tombs then house's and then bins!! that is how low he will go and unless he finds money in one of those bins he aint ever riseing from bin raiding ever!!!! Muwhahaaaaaa
Someone is in denial:vlol:
Someone is in denial:vlol:
says the pot to the keattle
MadCroy101
08-04-09, 21:26
He's so damn smug, like his dialogue was written by Josh Whedon. I still can't help but like the guy, though.
lol agreed, but i don't really care for him lol
_Tomb_Raider
09-04-09, 07:59
:whi: Just dream......
words of wisdom!!!! that might as well have made elana fisher the main one and slaped the name tomb raider on the cover!!
seriously in the future lara will raid tombs tombs and more tombs nate will raid tombs then house's and then bins!! that is how low he will go and unless he finds money in one of those bins he aint ever riseing from bin raiding ever!!!! Muwhahaaaaaa
As much as I'd love that to be true, I'm afraid that the truth is a little far from that. Uncharted is a shoot 'em up, while Tomb Raider is more of an adventure puzzle game.
There's shooting in Uncharted, but where's the adventure in TR? Where are the puzzles? What genre is it these days? Blockbuster? Ledge Hopper?
As long as they keep making the games in a movie style plot and gameplay, violence rated 3+, doing the same moves over and over instead of mind blowing puzzles, short games, and with no challenge in getting from point A to point B resulting in boring gameplay, TR will never return on top where it once belonged.
Apart from that, Uncharted is a hell lot mature when it comes to plot, dialogue and violence. You wouldn't see Nate running around with a magic wand... so far. You wouldn't hear Nate speaking cryptically. You wouldn't see him looking for his mother in a far fetched plot linking countries that have nothing in common with their mythology.
I wouldn't say that they need to make Lara American, but the old Lara never had cheesy and dramatic lines in her scripts. Despite being polite and British, she was still sarcastic, and a *****, in a great way.
Uncharted is a shoot 'em up, so I'd expect the gameplay to be based around combat, and while I prefer puzzles over combat, Naughty Dog nailed their game because they actually focused on the genre.
So far, Crystal Dynamics have been focusing on emotions and moves. I really don't understand why, and I certainly don't give a crap about emotions and tears. Also, TR has never been about performing moves. Lara should interact with the environment, and she should be the one to adjust to the environment, not the other way around. In the classics, there weren't fixed points. You used your skills to proceed, not because the environments demand it. What I'm trying to say is that, ever since Crystal made TR in a series of moves, one after the other, over and over, the paths have been obvious, fixed and easy to spot. They really should start focusing on the gameplay, and they really need to let go of the old-gen mechanics; like the scripted interactive ledges, and let go of the current engine they're using. OLD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
There's no challenge. Notice how easy their games are, and how many hints they use, despite you turning off the button prompts and tutorial balloons. For instance: you need to find 4 objects to place as keys. You'll find one of them right next to place where you need to use it. It's pretty obvious that they put it there to help the player...as if the player needs help coming to that conclusion in a Tomb Raider game.
Naughty Dog, despite their history with kid games such as Crash Bandicoot, did a great job with the maturity. There were still blackouts unfortunately, but in the cut scenes, noting was censored but making the camera focus on Nate while the other guy is dying. They showed Eddie getting bit in the neck, and they showed Novarro shooting Gabriel in the head.
In Crystal's TRs, every time something like that happened, the camera focused on Lara, while the bad guy is facing his fate. Like in Legend's Bolivia, the camera showed Lara, while the mercs were torn apart with the machinery. That also served as a hint to warn the player, killing the elements of surprise, and the tension, making the game childish and extremely boring.
Now, Uncharted 2 will feature free-climbing. I do hope it's actual free-climbing, unlike TRU's "free" climbing, where you can still see the geometry and what's interactive and what's not.
Uncharted had a great camera angle, though I still would prefer a fixed Camera like Core did with the 1st 5 games, but at least it never went drunk on our asses.
Apart from that, I never encountered any bugs when playing Uncharted, which is huge drawback for Tomb Raider. Also the AI in TRL/A/U sucked big time. Enemies ignoring Lara while she's blasting them, tiger running into the wall, mercs shooting the jeep after Lara grappled him and pulled him down the cliff, etc...
I'll say this again. I by far prefer Tomb Raider over Uncharted, and actually preferred TRU over DF, but that's just because I was able to look beyond the huge flaws. Crystal might not be so lucky with the rest of the world. After all, apart from personal opinions, a game is only as good as the developer makes it, whatever the genre is.
I'm sorry to say this, but I think Uncharted is already more popular than Tomb Raider, and unless Crystal Dynamics get their act together, and make a game for grown ups, they'll keep eating Naughty Dog's dust, until they lose the race...for good.
No game character will ever be as big as Lara again, not ever.
The hype of one of the first female leads in a game, in 3D no less will not be re-created, especially not by a male character, especially not by a title that wasn't original when it was first released.
Epic fail for some attention for the game.
Brilliant post Raid. :tmb:
As much as I'd love that to be true, I'm afraid that the truth is a little far from that. Uncharted is a shoot 'em up, while Tomb Raider is more of an adventure puzzle game.
There's shooting in Uncharted, but where's the adventure in TR? Where are the puzzles? What genre is it these days? Blockbuster? Ledge Hopper?
As long as they keep making the games in a movie style plot and gameplay, violence rated 3+, doing the same moves over and over instead of mind blowing puzzles, short games, and with no challenge in getting from point A to point B resulting in boring gameplay, TR will never return on top where it once belonged.
Exactly. Uncharted knows exactly what it is and there's nothing about Nathan Drake which holds the game itself back. I think one thing about Uncharted that jumped out at me was the atmosphere. The feeling of constant tension and awe at times reminded me of the classic TRs. In trying to make TR appeal to as many as possible and sticking with the same generic formula, the identity of the game has been destroyed and the main character has become a shadow of her former self.
Apart from that, Uncharted is a hell lot mature when it comes to plot, dialogue and violence. You wouldn't see Nate running around with a magic wand... so far. You wouldn't hear Nate speaking cryptically. You wouldn't see him looking for his mother in a far fetched plot linking countries that have nothing in common with their mythology.
I wouldn't say that they need to make Lara American, but the old Lara never had cheesy and dramatic lines in her scripts. Despite being polite and British, she was still sarcastic, and a *****, in a great way.
Exactly! The plot/storyline of Uncharted was so simple - it wasn't exactly the most original but it worked. There wasn't anything overly cheesy or dramatic. You're other points demonstrate how Crystal have treated TR recently with mythological weapons and the change in Lara's character. Right now, I prefer Nate to Crystal's Lara.
Uncharted is a shoot 'em up, so I'd expect the gameplay to be based around combat, and while I prefer puzzles over combat, Naughty Dog nailed their game because they actually focused on the genre.
So far, Crystal Dynamics have been focusing on emotions and moves. I really don't understand why, and I certainly don't give a crap about emotions and tears. Also, TR has never been about performing moves. Lara should interact with the environment, and she should be the one to adjust to the environment, not the other way around. In the classics, there weren't fixed points. You used your skills to proceed, not because the environments demand it. What I'm trying to say is that, ever since Crystal made TR in a series of moves, one after the other, over and over, the paths have been obvious, fixed and easy to spot. They really should start focusing on the gameplay, and they really need to let go of the old-gen mechanics; like the scripted interactive ledges, and let go of the current engine they're using. OLD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
PRECISELY. Uncharted does very well at what it does. Its not ashamed of its defining feature as a shooter game but TR comes across as just nothing. TRU seemed a little more certain of itself as an exploring game with some difficult puzzles but it wasn't anything the gaming community hasn't seen before. And yes, the paths are still painfully obvious compared to the old TR games. There's the odd moment that might throw but nothing compared to before and multi-pathed levels are still few and far between. Scrap the engine, scrap the scripted interactive ledges! :tmb:
There's no challenge. Notice how easy their games are, and how many hints they use, despite you turning off the button prompts and tutorial balloons. For instance: you need to find 4 objects to place as keys. You'll find one of them right next to place where you need to use it. It's pretty obvious that they put it there to help the player...as if the player needs help coming to that conclusion in a Tomb Raider game.
Naughty Dog, despite their history with kid games such as Crash Bandicoot, did a great job with the maturity. There were still blackouts unfortunately, but in the cut scenes, noting was censored but making the camera focus on Nate while the other guy is dying. They showed Eddie getting bit in the neck, and they showed Novarro shooting Gabriel in the head.
That's the thing. Crystal's TR games feel distinctly childish but ND's feel mature. I feel like I'm treated as young adult when I play Uncharted and I like feeling that rather than being patronised. Core Design didn't treat us like kids either. I can only hope TR won't become even more 'family' or 'female' friendly. In an attempt to appeal to everyone, its become too easy and childish so as to not put off people or offend anyone.
In Crystal's TRs, every time something like that happened, the camera focused on Lara, while the bad guy is facing his fate. Like in Legend's Bolivia, the camera showed Lara, while the mercs were torn apart with the machinery. That also served as a hint to warn the player, killing the elements of surprise, and the tension, making the game childish and extremely boring.
Good example. Also the look on Lara's face after she kills Larson in TRA screams 'its wrong to kill!!! don't do it kiddies! see how upset Lara is.'. So damn patronising. They seem to turn Lara into a pacifist at some points as if to try and remind people of the moralities of killing. Do we really need that?
Now, Uncharted 2 will feature free-climbing. I do hope it's actual free-climbing, unlike TRU's "free" climbing, where you can still see the geometry and what's interactive and what's not.
Uncharted had a great camera angle, though I still would prefer a fixed Camera like Core did with the 1st 5 games, but at least it never went drunk on our asses.
Yes, the uncharted camera was much better. It certainly wasn't as hyperactive and it rarely caused an unnecessary death for me.
Apart from that, I never encountered any bugs when playing Uncharted, which is huge drawback for Tomb Raider. Also the AI in TRL/A/U sucked big time. Enemies ignoring Lara while she's blasting them, tiger running into the wall, mercs shooting the jeep after Lara grappled him and pulled him down the cliff, etc...
Its shameful. Ok so action has never been TR's strongest point but the enemy AI hasn't progressed since TR1 in many ways. Actually, looking back on TR:AOD, the enemy AI was actually BETTER. Core knew what they were doing I think with having them climb surfaces and achieve the same movement capabilities Lara has. The rage meter was a cheap attempt at trying develop enemy AI.
I'll say this again. I by far prefer Tomb Raider over Uncharted, and actually preferred TRU over DF, but that's just because I was able to look beyond the huge flaws. Crystal might not be so lucky with the rest of the world. After all, apart from personal opinions, a game is only as good as the developer makes it, whatever the genre is.
I'm sorry to say this, but I think Uncharted is already more popular than Tomb Raider, and unless Crystal Dynamics get their act together, and make a game for grown ups, they'll keep eating Naughty Dog's dust, until they lose the race...for good.
For me, TRU and DF were both good games but right DF has the edge for the fact that it feels fresh, new, convincing and good at what it does. in some ways, like with its attitude to the gamer and the atmosphere, it reminds me of Core Design's games.
Again, well posted Raid. :tmb:
ajrich17901
10-04-09, 01:16
says the pot to the keattle
its kettle;)
Hmm... Tomb Raider is bigger then Uncharted as a whole but lately uncharted is a bit more popular.
Lara however is bigger then the guy from uncharted (Drake? hell, I can't even remember his name :vlol:)
Uncharted was just a mix of Tomb Raider and the latest James Bond games...
Alot of the stuff was plaugurised in a bad way, and some parts even copied Silent Hill for god sakes...
Naughty Dog need to come up with their own stuff.
Lara is unbeatable. Sure, she might not be as good now as she was all those years ago (thank you very much Crystal D):p but shes a true celeb.
Movies,toys,TV adverts and even bedsheets-you name it, Lara has it.
Uncharted was just a mix of Tomb Raider and the latest James Bond games...
Alot of the stuff was plaugurised in a bad way, and some parts even copied Silent Hill for god sakes...
Naughty Dog need to come up with their own stuff.
i think that you are just being biased. sure, no TR fan wants to see another series become more popular than TR, but its not like more than one preson can have the same idea(when you say they plagurised)>>> its more like inspiration. like how Tomb Raider was inspired by Indiana Jones, or Ada Wong (from RE) was inspired by La Femme Nikita.
Lara might be unbeatable, but TR isnt(it would seem, atm). i loved TRU, but U2AT looks better than the CD TRs. but everyone is entitled to his or her own opinions.
Sure, Uncharted IS bigger than Tomb Raider, as is many other games, but LARA, literally, stands the tallest. People know who she is, usually refer her to 'that laura chick?' - Atleast she's known. I don't think characters such as Altair, and Drake are so widely known. "Who, who's Altair? :confused:"
Sure, Uncharted IS bigger than Tomb Raider, as is many other games, but LARA, literally, stands the tallest. People know who she is, usually refer her to 'that laura chick?' - Atleast she's known. I don't think characters such as Altair, and Drake are so widely known. "Who, who's Altair? :confused:"
That's true.
But, can Lara survive without Tomb Raider? If the game loses its glory, what would happen to the character? Unless the game is brought up to date, and unless the game matures, there really is no future for Lara.
Uncharted is bigger not because of Nate. I mean, like you said, he's not that known. It's bigger because it is. The animations look great, water looks real, swimming is so real that it seems like a simulation, mature, strategic (in combat, not puzzles) and true to its genre.
TR these days is all about emotions, and how many gymnastics Lara can perform.
No focus on the genre (puzzles can be solved by a 2 - 4 year old), the levels are fixed like one big assault course requiring certain moves in a certain order to proceed, old-gen mechanics and gameplay (scripted interaction and engine is way out dated) and combat sucks. Even graphics were not impressive in TRU, despite Legend and Anniversary looking great on the PS2. All they got left is that wimp who took the place of Lara Croft.
In the end, Tomb Raider counts more than Lara. If people really bu the games because of her, then they should probably buy a Lara dummy, and do whatever they want with it.
I find myself trying to imagine what genre Uncharted is true to. The developers have likened it to an old Hollywood adventure movie. Is the genre "Hollywood B Movie Simulator"? To me Uncharted is more of a pastiche thrown together for the fun of it. It is a little bit of Far Cry with a mercenary filled jungle. A little bit of Gears of War with cover-based combat. A very little bit of TR with limited exploring and platforming. Wrap it all around a B-C level plot, sprinkle it with dialog that would appeal to mostly teen age level boys, paint it with some nice graphics and let it run.
I have difficulty fitting this game and the term "mature" together. It is a bit of an oxymoron.
I have difficulty fitting this game and the term "mature" together. It is a bit of an oxymoron.
The term mature in this case would refer to the dialogue and level of violence. We've seen Eddie getting bit, we've seen Navarro shooting Gabriel, we've seen creepy ass mutants, and we've seen decomposing corpses.
All this game was missing was fear...although it had some at the end, when you have to get the power back on in the dark passage way, full of hungry Spaniards.
Yes the plot was a bit movie-ish, as was the theme, but who cares as long as it's good.
Compare it to "Go into the big ruins to rescue your mother". Uncharted's plot almost was no different from what TR used to be about. Finding treasures just for the thrill and glory...or in Drake's case, money. Still, it was personal and selfish gain, until they discover the curse of the treasure at the end.
The plot/theme that Crystal gave to TRU is just like one of those old NES games where you have to save the damsel in distress, trapped in the tower of the evil castle, guarded by the evil dragon.
I mean that's lame. That's as low as it gets.
The term mature in this case would refer to the dialogue and level of violence. We've seen Eddie getting bit, we've seen Navarro shooting Gabriel, we've seen creepy ass mutants, and we've seen decomposing corpses.
All this game was missing was fear...although it had some at the end, when you have to get the power back on in the dark passage way, full of hungry Spaniards.
Yes the plot was a bit movie-ish, as was the theme, but who cares as long as it's good.
Compare it to "Go into the big ruins to rescue your mother". Uncharted's plot almost was no different from what TR used to be about. Finding treasures just for the thrill and glory...or in Drake's case, money. Still, it was personal and selfish gain, until they discover the curse of the treasure at the end.
The plot/theme that Crystal gave to TRU is just like one of those old NES games where you have to save the damsel in distress, trapped in the tower of the evil castle, guarded by the evil dragon.
I mean that's lame. That's as low as it gets.
Thats because Crystal can't write storys for ****. I did like Uncharted for its 'freedom' though. Felt alot more open. The fact you could climb on anything- like Core's TRs.
If CD done get their act together, god help Lara... really.
Thats because Crystal can't write storys for ****. I did like Uncharted for its 'freedom' though. Felt alot more open. The fact you could climb on anything- like Core's TRs.
If CD done get their act together, god help Lara... really.
We'll see if SquareEnix taking over the series will do any good. If things don't change for the better even after a take over...then I'm afraid it's time to let go, for good.
Movies,toys,TV adverts and even bedsheets-you name it, Lara has it.
A Nathan Drake's bedsheets would be very, very, disturbing....
:vlol:
Chris.Talg0
12-04-09, 09:34
I see uncharted getting bigger than tomb raider in the future. lately tomb raider started to become a joke because of it being buggy and rushed. at least uncharted was completed, and it had tons of replay value with a lot of things to be unlocked. but unless cd starts to get back on track i dont see lara being more popular than nate anytime soon. :(
Tomb Raider Jay
12-04-09, 13:09
Okay I'm going to settle is once and for all - here 's a carefully complied list of what Nate's game - Uncharted and Lara's Tomb Raiders have going for them!! Also this list only includes the new TR games, no going back to Crofty's old glory days!! :ton:
Uncharted
Pros -
Amazing Graphics :D
Jaw-dropping scenery with vibrant colours, realism and details
Brilliantly thought out level design
Stunningly realised world, mixes realism with cartoony stylization
Beautiful effects like water, clouds and HDR sunlights
Lifelike character models with advanced shaders, lipsync and expressions :o
Fantastic, fast paced action platforming - ND's at the top of their game!
Excellent controls that respond with split second timing and prescision
Adreanalin pumping combat, cover based with realism and weight ;)
Advanced AI with enemies who hunt you down
Cleverly interweaved puzzles, mixes with the combat and exploration, great!
Totally ranks highest in the cool factor likes!! :cool:
Surround Sound creates a tense atmosphere
Ambiant effects allow you to hear every bush russle in the jungle winds
Great sound effects :tea:
An all out action adventure storyline, with loveable characters, an interesting take on history and a villain with an accent!! :jmp:
No bugs or major faults at all :)
Cons -
It's alittle short but still great value and fun to replay
AI can go rouge with buggyness at times
Tomb Raider
Pros -
Lara's still around after a decade, who'd have thought it eh? :cln:
Those blocky features are rounded and she got a nice facelift too
Her Guns are here, bigger than ever and still cocked up with ammo
Those endangered spieces still want to be shot - amazingly they've also survived the ten years Lara has
Natla, the very evil hag from TR1 is still hanging around... hang on no
The graphics look better I guess, still rough and jaggy around the edges but we can't ask for miracles...
Keleey Hawes is Lara's voice... no longer is she a mindless drone (Jonell!!) :hea:
Cos -
Still as dated as ever
Still doing the same thing she's done for the last ten years
Behind all other games, no innovation needed... apparently :(
Shooting is awful
Puzzles are easy
Sonar maps and hints take away the fun of exploring
Graphics look meh
Levels design is simple
Poor endangered spieces, after ten years she should be shooting something else...
... human enemies are awful with poor, shoddy AI
Lacks any Cool Factor, TR used to be in the "in crowd"
Free climbing was stolen from Assassin's Creed... not that Ubi should be worried it was half assed at best :(
There you have it people, it's safe to say it, Uncharted is already ahead of TR in so, so many ways ;)
Amy Henning, well done love - you left the sinking ship that was Crystal D's offices and started up the Uncharted series, lucky lucky gal :D
Jay :hug:
Edit: I think I maybe no longer like TR :(
Ward Dragon
12-04-09, 13:16
Free climbing was stolen from Assassin's Creed... not that Ubi should be worried it was half assed at best :(
The TRU free climbing wasn't like AC's, it was like AOD's ;)
Another Lara
12-04-09, 13:29
Okay I'm going to settle is once and for all - here 's a carefully complied list of what Nate's game - Uncharted and Lara's Tomb Raiders have going for them!! Also this list only includes the new TR games, no going back to Crofty's old glory days!! :ton:
Uncharted
Pros -
No bugs or major faults at all :)
Cons -
AI can go rouge with buggyness at times
Tomb Raider
Cos -
Still doing the same thing she's done for the last ten years
Graphics look meh
There you have it people, it's safe to say it, Uncharted is already ahead of TR in so, so many ways ;)
Amy Henning, well done love - you left the sinking ship that was Crystal D's offices and started up the Uncharted series, lucky lucky gal :D
Jay :hug:
Edit: I think I maybe no longer like TR :(
First of all, can I just point out you have contradicted yourself... if the AI can be "buggy" then it can't have "no bugs at all" can it?!
I have just been replaying the game and I have managed to find plenty of bugs (not that bugs in games bother me at all like they do other people!)
And the fact of the matter is, Uncharted is so much like Tomb Raider in terms of moves and story as you can get, other than the fact it's a male character who likes to shoot his gun... A LOT!!!
Yes, the replayable value of the game is brilloiant with all the bonuses and treasures etc, but all in all it's the same style of game through and through, just a fresh look by a different designer!
Lara Croft is better than Nathan Drake?
Yes Of course,Lara Croft is an Icon,Nathan Drake is just a popular guy who maybe will be in this industry for a few more years and then,another character will take him out.Lara Croft will be always there.
Uncharted: Drake's Fortune is better than Tomb Raider?
Yes,of course.We have an icon but in terms of gameplay,development,graphics,innovation,enjoyment ,etc,is absolutely poor nowadays.We can no longer believe that the last game was amazing,or just cool,because it wasn't.
Anyway,Nathan,you better enjoy this years of fame,because Lara can have a bad time,but she will always have his return(and hopefully,for the better)
;)
Lara Fan 4Life
12-04-09, 16:35
Uncharted may be a better game than Underworld (I said Underworld, as it is Lara’s first PS3 debut), but Lara is definitely a more popular character and most recognisable in gaming compared to Drake. Even if a TR game is bad, it still sells over a million because it is Tomb Raider. It would be unfair to say that Underworld outsold Uncharted, because Underworld was on many formats and Uncharted was only a PS3 exclusive, but going by the PS3 and X-box 360 games sale, Underworld will surely outsell Uncharted. I really doubt TR got it's sales for the Wii/PS2/DS version. As of November 2008, Uncharted has sold 2 million copies. A year to get that number. Only near 5months for Underworld to sell over 2.6million copies. Again, very unfair because of the formats, but TR is definitely more popular, sales wise (Going by past games as well) and Lara being, well Lara Croft. :D
Okay I'm going to settle is once and for all - here 's a carefully complied list of what Nate's game - Uncharted and Lara's Tomb Raiders have going for them!! Also this list only includes the new TR games, no going back to Crofty's old glory days!! :ton:
Uncharted
Pros -
Amazing Graphics :D
Jaw-dropping scenery with vibrant colours, realism and details
Brilliantly thought out level design
Stunningly realised world, mixes realism with cartoony stylization
Beautiful effects like water, clouds and HDR sunlights
Lifelike character models with advanced shaders, lipsync and expressions :o
Fantastic, fast paced action platforming - ND's at the top of their game!
Excellent controls that respond with split second timing and prescision
Adreanalin pumping combat, cover based with realism and weight ;)
Advanced AI with enemies who hunt you down
Cleverly interweaved puzzles, mixes with the combat and exploration, great!
Totally ranks highest in the cool factor likes!! :cool:
Surround Sound creates a tense atmosphere
Ambiant effects allow you to hear every bush russle in the jungle winds
Great sound effects :tea:
An all out action adventure storyline, with loveable characters, an interesting take on history and a villain with an accent!! :jmp:
No bugs or major faults at all :)
Cons -
It's alittle short but still great value and fun to replay
AI can go rouge with buggyness at times
Tomb Raider
Pros -
Lara's still around after a decade, who'd have thought it eh? :cln:
Those blocky features are rounded and she got a nice facelift too
Her Guns are here, bigger than ever and still cocked up with ammo
Those endangered spieces still want to be shot - amazingly they've also survived the ten years Lara has
Natla, the very evil hag from TR1 is still hanging around... hang on no
The graphics look better I guess, still rough and jaggy around the edges but we can't ask for miracles...
Keleey Hawes is Lara's voice... no longer is she a mindless drone (Jonell!!) :hea:
Cos -
Still as dated as ever
Still doing the same thing she's done for the last ten years
Behind all other games, no innovation needed... apparently :(
Shooting is awful
Puzzles are easy
Sonar maps and hints take away the fun of exploring
Graphics look meh
Levels design is simple
Poor endangered spieces, after ten years she should be shooting something else...
... human enemies are awful with poor, shoddy AI
Lacks any Cool Factor, TR used to be in the "in crowd"
Free climbing was stolen from Assassin's Creed... not that Ubi should be worried it was half assed at best :(
There you have it people, it's safe to say it, Uncharted is already ahead of TR in so, so many ways ;)
Amy Henning, well done love - you left the sinking ship that was Crystal D's offices and started up the Uncharted series, lucky lucky gal :D
Jay :hug:
Edit: I think I maybe no longer like TR :(
Every point is the above post is opinion and shouild be taken as such.
I found Uncharted repetitious, linear, with very rudimentary puzzles, and pretty much a FPS in the third person. The animations were pure TRL. The dialog was insipid. The vehicle sections were laughable. The ending was lame. Those are my opinions.
UNcharted is the only PS3 game that I have played that froze on me and this happened at least three times that I can remember. Had Uncharted been a CD TR game I quite imagine that it would have received a very different reception seeing how it committed every "error" for which TRL was heavily criticized. (Obvious ledges, linear, very simple puzzles, silly story line, short game, obvious treasures, camera centered movement system, etc. )
I do not see Uncharted as a major challenge to TR and I serious expect the next version to be pretty much the same. There really was not anything striking original in Uncharted and ND has yet to demonstrate that they can bring anything new to the genre.
Unchartered was good but I don't want TR to turn into it. It's a different style of game and only superficially looks the same because of the settings - looting lost treasures etc.
CD shouldn't copy this game. They should revoluntionise TR (and the gaming world) instead by bringing back complexity in environments, giving us genuine exploration and discovery in a game world.
*sigh*
Tomb Raider Jay
12-04-09, 19:47
Every point is the above post is opinion and shouild be taken as such.
I found Uncharted repetitious, linear, with very rudimentary puzzles, and pretty much a FPS in the third person. The animations were pure TRL. The dialog was insipid. The vehicle sections were laughable. The ending was lame. Those are my opinions.
UNcharted is the only PS3 game that I have played that froze on me and this happened at least three times that I can remember. Had Uncharted been a CD TR game I quite imagine that it would have received a very different reception seeing how it committed every "error" for which TRL was heavily criticized. (Obvious ledges, linear, very simple puzzles, silly story line, short game, obvious treasures, camera centered movement system, etc. )
I do not see Uncharted as a major challenge to TR and I serious expect the next version to be pretty much the same. There really was not anything striking original in Uncharted and ND has yet to demonstrate that they can bring anything new to the genre.
Well yeah that's my opinion and pretty much everyone elses who isn't a member on this forum ;)
Read sites like IGN, Gamespot, ComputerandVidoegames.com and Eurogamer.net to see what others truly think of the whole TR VS Uncharted
Uncharted is very much more popular :jmp:
And I highly doubt the game froze on you - if it did I'd get that PS3 checked out pronto :mis:
larson n natla
12-04-09, 21:02
I wouldnt really know about his personality him being ps3 exclusive and all :p
The moment I played the first tomb raider game I instantly loved lara that attitude and the fact that despite being rich and famous she was not self centered or arrogant in any way, badass yes utterly but down to determination and hardwork. This nathan drake sounds like a normal dude with an inflated ego like say every other lovable rouge ever. :) Although like I say I havnt played the game and due to the fact he was mo capped by his voice actor, or so I'm lead to beleive means he would seem human and friendly so maybe he could be as popular and why not just not as popular as most famous female videogame character ever (Guiness world records 2006)
Lara Fan 4Life
12-04-09, 21:37
Uncharted is very much more popular :jmp:
Just because them sites say it, doesn't mean it, to tell you the truth, Jay. TR is way more popular than Uncharted. Lara has been around for a while now, and will be staying around for many years. She is like the girl version of Mario. :D Always famous, even if the games are average. Uncharted, although a great game, just borrows everything for other games, TR including. Not very original. Taking that Uncharted was the debut game for Nathan, the debut game for Lara is TR1. Which is your favourite and more famous? Sorry to break it to all them Uncharted fans, TR rules. :ohn:
Also, TR has fans from many gaming groups. TR is definitely more popular than Uncharted with Wii and X-box users. She has many fans from different places. Compared to PS3 users for Uncharted, although many still like Lara more. :ton:
I'm not going to get into which game is better or more popular...Both games have their strengths and weaknesses (not sure what the strengths of the recent TR games are,i'm talking mostly about the classics formula).
But i have to say that i haven't seen a single bug in Uncharted.I've beaten the game once and played quite a lot on my second playthrough without anything annoyingly distracting me from the gameplay.
Even at GAF (a forum with a huge amount of gamers) no one ever said anything about bugs in Uncharted.
Unfortunately someone cannot say the same for TRU,especially for the PS3 version.
Hmmm let's see.
Tomb Raider, played by millions on multiple platforms for 10 years.
Uncharted, played by hundreds of thousands on one platform for a few years.
:rolleyes:
Maybe his web site isn't getting so much traffic these days, so he's going with a line that will generate fuss.
Exactly! :tmb: :vlol:
As Another Lara said been playing Uncharted over the Easter. Finished it too..
No game is perfect, no such thing exists.
Bad:
- The vsync tearing really jars after a bit when running 720P (HD)
- The reason why the game `flows` so nicely is that the game happily cuts character animations short to make it feel better to the user.
- The shooting gets seriously repetative after a while, and areas you cleared out easily suddenly become frequent death sequences when u get so bored of shooting the guys over and over.
- Ledges - i mean COME ON, you guys scream blue murder at us, yet this game has the most visible ledges ever ;) and is SO linear, not once did i not know exactly where to go as there is no other way TO go with areas being closed off behind me so i couldnt get lost (yes TR has to improve on its open areas too but when people say this game is second coming of gaming christ when its clearly not it annoys :) )
- Jet ski sequences, over long and a bit silly.
- Final boss - erm, right so play Simple Simon and know how to win the game.
Good:
- Visuals - oh yes they are stunning, for their first ps3 game it shows they have a real flair. It does have faults tho, textures sometimes not loading in quickly etc, but i know they'll improve this for sequel (again proof that title exclusive games are able to take better advantage of hardware as dont have to worry about other consoles not knowing what the hell that bit of code means)
- Sound/Music - Stunning, listening to it in surround sound, totally immersed us in the world. Bullets zipping past us hitting behind us as we had our millionth gun fight.
- Story - Indy Jones copy, but thats not a bad thing in the slightest. Really good cutscene acting, cheesy/hammy but exactly what was wanting to see.
- Water - They made a big thing about it, and its very beautiful. :)
Overall the game is a superb entry into the action adventure genre. Sequel has a lot to live up to. From what i've seen its looking good, but still looks like they're going down the shooter route with adventurering on the side.
Have to say love it when people say `everyone loves` `its a fact` when they are just stating personal opinion or repeating someone elses personal opinion :) Being objective is very hard it seems :) As for people saying its `bigger` then Tomb Raider, i think its got a long way to go to enter peoples minds the way Lara has. Lara is a cultural phenomenon who has a game, Nathan Drake is still just a great gaming character.
Roll on Uncharted 2 Nate..
Another Lara
14-04-09, 08:13
hehe, knew you could put it better than me! ;)
Bad:
- Ledges - i mean COME ON, you guys scream blue murder at us, yet this game has the most visible ledges ever ;) and is SO linear, not once did i not know exactly where to go as there is no other way TO go with areas being closed off behind me so i couldnt get lost (yes TR has to improve on its open areas too but when people say this game is second coming of gaming christ when its clearly not it annoys :) )
You are so right about this one. Honestly.
However, Tomb Raider and Uncharted are different genres.
Uncharted bases on Shooting.
TR varies: Minor combat, major puzzles, fear/violence/gore. But while you're doing all that, exploring and finding your own way are key elements.
If Uncharted were to have the same kind of combat as in TRU, people would've murdered the staff of Naughty Dog by now. But, being a shoot 'em up, the game nailed the main element.
Me, as a player, I was annoyed by the ledges in Uncharted. But, in Tomb Raider, it is much worse. Uncharted did nail the combat, which is it's genre, but when in TR you have your way reveled to you, by one big easy to spot assault course, what does that leave the game with? It's going against what TR should be about.
You are so right about this one. Honestly.
However, Tomb Raider and Uncharted are different genres.
Uncharted bases on Shooting.
TR varies: Minor combat, major puzzles, fear/violence/gore. But while you're doing all that, exploring and finding your own way are key elements.
If Uncharted were to have the same kind of combat as in TRU, people would've murdered the staff of Naughty Dog by now. But, being a shoot 'em up, the game nailed the main element.
Me, as a player, I was annoyed by the ledges in Uncharted. But, in Tomb Raider, it is much worse. Uncharted did nail the combat, which is it's genre, but when in TR you have your way reveled to you, by one big easy to spot assault course, what does that leave the game with? It's going against what TR should be about.
Different gameplay genres for sure, but story etc is same genre.. Thats why they get compared so closely.
I wouldnt say they nailed the combat.. they had a good mechanic for sure, but it was very tiresome to be in a room, shooting wave after wave of baddies. Especially when its an area supposedly untouched due to elaborate locking mechanisms and traps, and u get in there and theres tons of baddies (how did they get in there? etc) altho just like tombraider love fact that torches in ancient tombs have become infinite fueled devices ;)
Especially when its an area supposedly untouched due to elaborate locking mechanisms and traps, and u get in there and theres tons of baddies (how did they get in there? etc) altho just like tombraider love fact that torches in ancient tombs have become infinite fueled devices ;)
No more unbelievable than, say, Lara going through the effort of undoing an elaborate locking system when she could have just gone through one of the multiple holes in the ceilings of everywhere she goes :ton:
You have to suspend disbelief for playing this kind of game, especially for the little details like this.
Different gameplay genres for sure, but story etc is same genre.. Thats why they get compared so closely.
Probably. That and the fact that Uncharted seems to feature minor interaction and climbing.
I wouldnt say they nailed the combat.. they had a good mechanic for sure, but it was very tiresome to be in a room, shooting wave after wave of baddies. Especially when its an area supposedly untouched due to elaborate locking mechanisms and traps, and u get in there and theres tons of baddies (how did they get in there? etc)
True. The combat does get rather repetitive. Hence why I prefer Underworld over Uncharted.
I'm not a fan of manual aim, but Uncharted did combat way better than TR ever did. We're talking first game of a franchise, against 9 games in TR. Even though it's repetitive, I think it's strategic. You take cover, and while they're reloading, you shoot back.
I don't want a replica of that in TR. I still want TR to keep auto-aim, but the covering system is logic, and would be a great addition to the franchise.
The way I'd picture a good combat system in TR:
Draw you weapons,
Find cover against a wall, pillar, or something
Wait for the merc to reload, then you shoot.
Whether you want to use manual aim for more accuracy, or auto-aim for less stressful shooting, it's up to the player. The duel-aiming is a must keep, but there should be a button that allows players to switch target. Lara should automatically start by aiming at the closest enemy, and when switching, going to the second closest.
In TRL/A/U Lara aimed at enemies only visible in the camera range. If there was someone behind her, but not visible in the picture, she'd ignore it, which would be one of the main flaws.
People might say: "Uncharted ripoff", but I guess Uncharted ripped off reality in that case. I'll call it a simulation. I don't think that would be an Uncharted trademark.
Of course,for faster and more agile, or even flying enemies, run and shoot would be the way to go. Although in TRU Lara just kept falling on her butt, since dodging was useless.
altho just like tombraider love fact that torches in ancient tombs have become infinite fueled devices ;)
Me 2. :) I think they add to atmosphere. It would be better if we could light them manually, using remaining fuel, like Lara did in the Luna Temple, in TR2 (movie).
Me 2. :) I think they add to atmosphere. It would be better if we could light them manually, using remaining fuel, like Lara did in the Luna Temple, in TR2 (movie).
Yeh i like idea of having to actually light the lamps in the tombs.. Even if without having to worry about running out of fuel but just for atmosphere to be able to walk into a pitch black room and light a few torches around edge etc.. more immersive
Yeh i like idea of having to actually light the lamps in the tombs.. Even if without having to worry about running out of fuel but just for atmosphere to be able to walk into a pitch black room and light a few torches around edge etc.. more immersive
Pass the word :whi:
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Shouldnt they compare Uncharted with another 3rd person shooter like Gears of War?
^ Uncharted isn't JUST a shooter though. There is platforming and puzzle solving so comparing it to GoW seems a little odd to me.
Tomb Raider Legend would be the most comparable game to Uncharted.
Uncharted tops Legend from every aspect:
Dialogue - No cryptic talk, swearing and strong language, humor was actually funny.
Story - Selfish gain. Need I say more?
Main Character - Nathan had a brain. He could figure out the clues left by Francis Drake, without running to his father.
Combat - Strategic and none of that jump and shoot like a crazy noob.
Graphics - vs 360 Legend obviously, which IMO had better graphics than TRU (apart from Lara who looked like wax in TRL), especially water.
Rewards - It was fun doing certain things to gain medals/trophies. Added replay value. In Legend, you find a relic, you get an outfit :rolleyes:
Animations - Weren't the best I've ever seen, and were kinda fast, but they seemed OK. No frames seem to have been cut.
Legend tops Uncharted only in the swimming department. Nathan couldn't dive down underwater.
Puzzles is the only draw. Both were insultingly easy.
As protagonists go few have managed to capture the immediate likeability of Nate in my mind, simply because he's more easily indentified with than the likes of Lara Croft, Dante or whoever else you want to sling in there. We don't indentify with him because we've all been on the hunt for lost treasures and faught monsters in Nazi bunkers. We identify with him because he's been humanized with an everyman quality that other 'heroes' aren't given because it would break the detatchment their money, looks and superhuman abilities give them. Nate's heart's in the right place but he fumbles plenty, coming off as nothing more than an athletic schlub who can handle some firearms. His wisecracks mask some sense of insecurity and the guy hasn't been one to think five steps ahead like regular heroes do. Lara's got nice boobs though...people don't argue with that.
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Tomb Raider Legend would be the most comparable game to Uncharted.
Uncharted tops Legend from every aspect:
Dialogue - No cryptic talk, swearing and strong language, humor was actually funny.
Story - Selfish gain. Need I say more?
Main Character - Nathan had a brain. He could figure out the clues left by Francis Drake, without running to his father.
Combat - Strategic and none of that jump and shoot like a crazy noob.
Graphics - vs 360 Legend obviously, which IMO had better graphics than TRU (apart from Lara who looked like wax in TRL), especially water.
Rewards - It was fun doing certain things to gain medals/trophies. Added replay value. In Legend, you find a relic, you get an outfit :rolleyes:
Animations - Weren't the best I've ever seen, and were kinda fast, but they seemed OK. No frames seem to have been cut.
Legend tops Uncharted only in the swimming department. Nathan couldn't dive down underwater.
Puzzles is the only draw. Both were insultingly easy.
dont forget that Nathan looks really good for a guy. hes possibly the best ever handsome guy i've ever seen in a video game guaranteed. Sometimes he makes me a bit.........
Lara should have a date with him or better yet a Mr & Mrs Smith Style fight
or better yet make an Uncharted/Tomb Raider crossover.
i did manage to play some Uncharted. it is overall better than Legend and Underworld. but i have to agree on how the combat system of uncharted is. it is one of those games that the combat is manual to fire sort of thing.
Shark_Blade
20-04-09, 12:19
dont forget that Nathan looks really good for a guy. hes possibly the best ever handsome guy i've ever seen in a video game guaranteed. Sometimes he makes me a bit............lol. Someone's getting hot and heavy. :ton:
I just finished Uncharted yesterday. Boy that was great, and the ending definitely have a closure for Drake's Fortune and a bit of opening as to what his relationship with Elena could become.
The character is likeable, the story is appealing and interesting that got me hooked till the end. Now that' quality. Just wish there's hard puzzles in it though. :D
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