Have you Tried this card ATI 4650 GDDR2 1 GB

[alzughoul]

I'm willing to buy this cad i just wanted to check if any of you guys have tried it before regarding the performance and the quality of gaming, in compare to 8600 GT and 9600 GT.

[EscondeR]

What price are you ready to take it for? Better go for 4670 series if you can. It'll be slightly better than NV 8600/9600GT.

[alzughoul]

both of them (4650 ATI and 8600 GT)are the same price, then which one of them would be more powerful

[Lara_Zoz2006]

I got 4 of the 1gb 4650 Ati Crossfires, they really good. Take up a lot of ram though i got 4gb ram and 2gb is taken up by cards.

[EscondeR]

both of them (4650 ATI and 8600 GT)are the same price, then which one of them would be more powerful

What VRAM (and amoun) is installed on both?

I'd stick to ATI 4650.

[alzughoul]

they are both provided with 1GB Ram, but what about the 4670 is it much better than the 4650 one, and by the way how much do they differ in price as far as you know.

[EscondeR]

A matter of 5£ actually :) But 4670 is better, not very much, but still...

[alzughoul]

http://www.madshrimps.be/vbulletin/f22/ati-hd-radeon-4650-review-9500-gt-vs-8600-gt-vs-hd-4650-vs-hd-3650-a-57719/ I'm not sure of this review, is that sounds real, ATI 4650 delivers 50% more in performance rather than 8600 GT while running the test on crysis .

[EscondeR]

This test is not accurate. Besides judging by one game is wrong, you must consider several tests to form overall performance index.

[irjudd]

I'm going to have to second EscondeR's recommendation on the 4670.

In my opinion it is the best graphics card for the money right now.

[nomedo]

also, dont focus too much on the "1gb of vram" part. the 4650/4670 core is not a high-end chip, and in cases where it would (if ever) use more then 512mb, it would still produce a frame rate too low. so i agree with esconder and irjudd that 4670 is better in your case. and u could probably get a 4670 512mb card for about the same price as a 4650 1gb card :wve:
and if u want to go up another step, 4830 is a very capable card.

[alzughoul]

it seems that everybody is pushing me away of nvidia 8600 GT, what if someone says that ATI is not comparable with nvidia "physix wise".
one addition, how much the buswidth may affect your video card performance 4670 is 256 bit while 4650 is 128 bit.

[nomedo]

the 8600GT isnt the best choice since its pretty old now. its from the the Geforce 8-series and was released in spring 2007. newer cards are more effective and uses less power.
if you want to look at nVidia cards that compare to 4650/4670, you should look at 9600GSO and 9600GT. the GSO is a renamed 8800GS so its also a bit old, but it performs a lot better then 8600-cards. the 9600GT performs often a little better then 4670, but its also costs a little more. thats why 4670 is a good choice. as for nVidia PhysX, the mid-end cards (8600-9600) have quite enough of work as it is with handling just graphics, so the gain of doing both graphics and physix on the GPU, will not be that great. PhysX will probably be good when more games support it, but to play with physX on anything other then high-end cards or SLi, will be mean you have to turn down the graphics setting a lot!

as for the memory bus, thats very important. a 256bit bus gives you twice the bandwidth compared to a 128bit bus. although i believe both 4650 and 4670 uses 128bit bus but 4670 have GDDR3 memory which gives it twice the bandwidth, but anyway that plays a part of why 4670 performs a lot better then 4650. having 256bit memory (or GDDR3 vs. DDR2) is much more important for gaming performance then having 1gb of vram.
:wve:

[EscondeR]

ATM PhysX is mostly a palliative:


There are only a few games with real PhysX support, even less with decent support.
The load on the older card as it was alredy said increases, so it might be better to buy a separate PhysX accelerator (Ageia).
The technology is not a common fully developed stream ATM.


Therefore I don't think you should tie your aims with PhysX as the main argument.

[alzughoul]

hi guy's, I've just found an amazing option "xfx nvidia 9600 gt 1GB RAM DDR2" with a good price, one of the pc-shops doesn't recommend that card, as he said 9600GT suffers from overheating,
what I guess is the UPS unit might cause the problem, because the card requires min "400 watt real", or it might be the cooling unit is not suffecient since the fact that several companies are producing nvidia cards so different cooling units are there like msi,xfx,evga...etc. if any of you guys would justify this for us that would be appretiated.

[EscondeR]

one of the pc-shops doesn't recommend that card, as he said 9600GT suffers from overheating,


Nonsense.
This board won't suffer anything you push it to not :mis: Just buy from trusted reseller of trusted brand and verify the board to have good cooling. But I still vote for ATI :)

[alzughoul]

what about the power supply thing, suppose i got a one with 300 watt could it do the job.

one more point some of the UPS units tagged with 500w where it delivers 300w real, how could you make sure if that UPS will give you a real 500w.

[EscondeR]

Nope, you need at least 500W for all that stuff.