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irjudd
10-02-09, 16:49
An American woman has told a TV station in Madison, Wisconsin that something called Ubuntu prevented her from joining online classes at her local technical college.
According to WKOW TV (http://www.wkowtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=9667184), Abbie Schubert recently ordered a Dell laptop, expecting "your classic bread-and-butter computer." But when she unboxed the $1,100 machine that arrived on her doorstep, she didn't find bread and butter. She found Ubuntu.
WKOW TV called Ubuntu "an operating system for your computer similar to Windows that runs off the Linux system."
"It's been a mess," Schubert said. "I regret ordering the computer."
She had never heard of Ubuntu. So she called Dell. Dell said there was still time to replace her Ubuntu. Then Dell told her not to. "The person I was talking to said Ubuntu was great, college students loved it, it was compatible with everything I needed," she explained.
So she kept her Ubuntu, then decided that Ubuntu doesn't always work like Windows. Her Verizon internet wouldn't load. She couldn't install Microsoft Word. And she said without Word and the internet, she couldn't take online classes at Madison Area Technical College.
So she dropped out of the college's fall and spring semesters.
Then Dell said it was too late for bread and butter.
"I'm extremely frustrated," Schubert said. "I wanted to get back to school, but I needed a computer to be able to do that."
Yes, that's fall and spring semesters. At Madison Area Technical CollegeSource (http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/01/15/ubuntu_cant_access_net/)

Poor lady.

CerebralAssassin
10-02-09, 17:15
that Ubunutu thing sounds more like a voodoo sorcerer than an operating system!!:p

Phys
10-02-09, 17:21
I've never liked the look of Ubuntu. I recently had to do research on it for my IT course at college. Poor woman :p

SamReeves
10-02-09, 17:26
Get a Mac. :ton:

Benguitar
10-02-09, 17:36
that Ubunutu thing sounds more like a voodoo sorcerer than an operating system!!:p

Exactly what I was thinking, I was like "some witch doctor kept a girl from going to college?" :confused:

ajrich17901
10-02-09, 17:37
I have no idea what a Ubunutu is lol But wow that realy sucks that this happened to her.

george_croft
10-02-09, 17:37
They speak of Ubuntu as if it was something dropped down from an UFO in front of her doorstep. God, this article annoys me in so many different ways. :p

Sir Croft
10-02-09, 17:44
Ubuntu sucks, imo, along with all other Linux OS.

spikejones
10-02-09, 17:50
retard!!


Hello from linux and dun

http://www.hacktherazr.com/files/pictures/202463054045b45324c1869.png (http://www.hacktherazr.com/user/1102)
by Fragger (http://www.hacktherazr.com/user/1102) on Tue, 04/08/2008 - 00:51.



Verizon General (http://www.hacktherazr.com/forums/verizon-v3c-v3m-razr/verizon-general)


So I finally, after multiple different days of searching and trying, got my v3m, that's flashed to Alltel, to connect and dial up from linux (Ubuntu 7.10 specifically).
First off EVDO disabled like usual. And also you need the no pap thing that would let you use dun from a palm pilot (http://www.hacktherazr.com/forum/hello-linux-and-dun#) or what not. This is because the dialing program ppp in linux does not let you specify security (http://www.hacktherazr.com/forum/hello-linux-and-dun#) options and such as you can do with the winders dialer.
So follow this guide up to and including #4 http://www.hacktherazr.com/guides/verizon.dun.ppc.php.
This next part is modified from: http://www.blackberryforums.com/linux-users-corner/101715-how-verizon-8703e-usb-tethered-linux-ubuntu-7-10-a.html.
At the terminal type: tail -f /var/log/messages
Then plug your phone into your computer, you should see something like this:
Apr 8 00:19:49 Kevin-server kernel: [910921.674934] usb 1-1: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice
Apr 8 00:19:49 Kevin-server kernel: [910921.677897] cdc_acm 1-1:1.0: ttyACM0: USB ACM device
We are looking for the ttyACM0 part telling you how to access your phone from linux. Do a ctrl+c then type: sudo gedit /etc/ppp/peers/1xdun
Feel free to replace gedit with your favorite text editor (http://www.hacktherazr.com/forum/hello-linux-and-dun#) especially if you are not using gnome.
Now paste into this new blank file:
debug debug debug
nodetach
/dev/*the tty part we found earlier or what ever it was*
115200
connect "/usr/sbin/chat -f /etc/chatscripts/1xdun"
nomultilink
defaultroute
noipdefault
ipcp-restart 7
ipcp-accept-local
ipcp-accept-remote
# added this, so that it doesn't disconnect after few mn of innactivity
lcp-echo-interval 0
lcp-echo-failure 999
modem
noauth
nocrtscts
noipdefault
novj # refused anyway, no point in trying every time
usepeerdns
user *yournumber*@vzw3g.com
password vzw
Replacing the things inside of *'s and then save and close. Next type: sudo gedit /etc/chatscripts/1xdun
Again replace gedit if you want/need.
And paste into the new file:
ABORT BUSY ABORT 'NO CARRIER' ABORT VOICE ABORT 'NO DIALTONE' ABORT 'NO DIAL TONE' ABORT 'NO ANSWER' ABORT DELAYED ABORT ERROR
SAY "Initializing\n"
'' ATZ
OK-AT-OK ATDT#777
CONNECT \d\c
Note that everything from ABORT until before SAY should be on one line, and then save and close. Now you should be able to type: sudo pppd call 1xdun
If you open a second terminal and type: ifconfig ppp and then see something like:
ppp0 Link encap:Point-to-Point Protocol
inet addr:70.193.249.184 P-t-P:66.174.201.6 Mask:255.255.255.255
UP POINTOPOINT RUNNING NOARP MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1
RX packets:105 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
TX packets:126 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
collisions:0 txqueuelen:3
RX bytes:39774 (38.8 KB) TX bytes:22668 (22.1 KB)

If you do then you should be golden and be able to surf. If not, post back here with the output after running the pppd call 1xdun command. Also I will try to help out with any questions and stuff relating to this as best I can, so feel free.
There's a fix for Verizon Internet. Can't use the VZW application as VZW doesn't support linux, but hackers do ;). Besides, Linux comes with cdc_acm and libusb support so even if above doesnt work, there is a way.

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anyhow, if you want decent internet - don't use Screwizon, use a land line. ;)

rowanlim
10-02-09, 17:50
Poor woman, such a shame it affected her studies :/

ShadyCroft
10-02-09, 17:51
Ubuntu sucks, imo, along with all other Linux OS.

Oh look, the penguins are coming ! :p


Edit : Yeah, that's a bad thing to happen. :o

Encore
10-02-09, 17:54
I don't know what's so funny about those news, it seems perfectly reasonable to me that a person with no deep knowledge can't work with a Linux system. My mom isn't old and I still have to teach her a lot of the stuff in Windows so I can't imagine what it would be like with Linux, that even I can't understand.

I find it so tasteless when computer experts make fun of these things.

spikejones
10-02-09, 17:55
only thing that will "prevent you from taking online classes" is if your school instruct that you must use a specific application such as "Access 2007". At the time, I was running linux mint ONLY (and that is based directly off of Ubuntu). And open office was not supporting the new '07 formats. I didn't need to include any screen shots of my work, but they expected the file format to be '07 format. accdb I believe it is. Other than that, its golden. :tmb:

irjudd
10-02-09, 17:55
Well let's be fair about this. To expect something you're familiar with (Windows) on your new computer, and dumped on your doorstep is GNU/Linux and absolutely no training on how to use it, I can imagine your less than computer literate user will have a very difficult time with the transition.

Ubuntu is very user friendly, but if you aren't skilled with the use of computers in the first place, I can see the problem here.

*can't resist the troll food*

And no, getting a Mac would have probably been a worse nightmare since it's so far opposite of what she would have been used to and the software choices are less than ideal. :whi:

spikejones
10-02-09, 17:57
I don't know what's so funny about those news, it seems perfectly reasonable to me that a person with no deep knowledge can't work with a Linux system.

......

I find it so tasteless when computer experts make fun of these things.
I'm pretty sure that when a person buys a computer from Dell, they get to choose their OS. What was she doing choosing one she didn't know anything about?

irjudd
10-02-09, 17:59
The humor in the topic is derived from both the fact that she didn't pay attention when ordering the computer, and the fact that the News source made something as popular as Ubuntu sound like alien technology.

Joely-Moley
10-02-09, 18:02
The humor in the topic is derived from both the fact that she didn't pay attention when ordering the computer, and the fact that the News source made something as popular as Ubuntu sound like alien technology.

I've never in my life heard of Ubuntu to be honest.

ShadyCroft
10-02-09, 18:08
^^ It's just one sub-OS of Linux, like Vista of Windows. I also heard of Red hat and Fedora.

I have to agree with Encore. My mum too has trouble learning things about computers, but she's damn excellent in other things. I'd be quite wrong and rude to find the situation funny. For all you know, you could find yourself in a situation like that.


Edit: and its no surprise not a lot have heard of it, seeing as Windows is kinda the dominating OS now.

Sir Croft
10-02-09, 18:12
Oh look, the penguins are coming ! :p
Penguins!?! OMG! I hope I don't get banned for that! :eek:

The humor in the topic is derived from both the fact that she didn't pay attention when ordering the computer, and the fact that the News source made something as popular as Ubuntu sound like alien technology.

Which is funny :p
I'd never pick any other OS because I'm used to Windows.

spikejones
10-02-09, 18:16
I've never in my life heard of Ubuntu to be honest.
www.distrowatch.com (http://www.distrowatch.com)
www.ubuntu.com (http://www.ubuntu.com)
For all you know, you could find yourself in a situation like that.
for all things in this world, there is a plethora of information. Besides, one can easily use the library to go to www.ubuntu.com (http://www.ubunutu.com) and do some research, or even do your school work. ;) I think she didn't want bad enough for it to work, and was easily duped. She wasn't persistent that she wanted Windows on her machine. And she could have easily went to the store and picked up a copy - or use the one that came with her old machine (assuming she had an old machine). People who know not how to do online research on stuff don't need to be taking online classes IMO. It's probably better for her this way in the end. She may have run into a butt load of issues trying to email her work to the instructor.

Joely-Moley
10-02-09, 18:31
^^ It's just one sub-OS of Linux, like Vista of Windows.

www.distrowatch.com (http://www.distrowatch.com)
www.ubuntu.com (http://www.ubuntu.com)


Thanks, I'm actually suprised I didn't do something like this when I ordered my new computer.
haha.

Fish.
10-02-09, 19:13
Well, that's Dell for you. :p

Seriously, they suck. http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/icons/icon13.gif

interstellardave
10-02-09, 19:34
I thought Ubuntu was made up or something, when I first read the story, but it seems that it's a real OS? How in the world would a computer be shipped with that though? That would confuse everyone except real computer nerds, LOL!

spikejones
10-02-09, 19:38
dell (and other manufacturers) have started shipping computers with Linux as an option for those who do not wish to go with Vista.

irjudd
10-02-09, 19:39
I thought Ubuntu was made up or something, when I first read the story, but it seems that it's a real OS? How in the world would a computer be shipped with that though? That would confuse everyone except real computer nerds, LOL!
Ubuntu (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu) is an OS based on the GNOME (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNOME) user interface, built onto the Linux Kernel (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_kernel) to make up one of the most popular GNU (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_Project)/Linux (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux) distributions available.

interstellardave
10-02-09, 19:40
dell (and other manufacturers) have started shipping computers with Linux as an option for those who do not wish to go with Vista.

Obviously she didn't order it that way... or didn't realize she did. Vista kinda stinks, though... if I didn't think it was a major hassle I'd try Ubuntu myself. But I've got Vista; guess I'll live with it.

spikejones
10-02-09, 19:46
this is the page where you get to customize your dell. it has a very handy os selection check box ;)
http://www.dell.com/content/products/category.aspx/desktops?c=us&l=en&s=dhs&cs=19&~ck=mn (http://www.dell.com/content/products/category.aspx/desktops?c=us&l=en&s=dhs&cs=19&%7Eck=mn)

but if you don't know what open source is, why click it?


If she did not specifically choose to have Ubuntu and rather chose to have Vista, then the fault is not her own - nor did "Ubuntu kill her college dreams" - but rather it is Dell's own fault for botching the order, and she is entitled to a refund or a "replacement". Every Dell comes with a shipping list and order confirmation. Did she check it to see what she was getting?:pi:

interstellardave
10-02-09, 19:51
If I was buying a non-Apple computer I wouldn't even think that it would come with anything other than MS Vista. Few people would, I'm sure...

Her main problem was letting them talk her into keeping something she was totally unfamiliar with--and was already having problems using. She should have been firm about getting it replaced.

spikejones
10-02-09, 19:54
^indeed!

I don't take BS from some CS or Sales person telling me "you should get this because everyone likes it"

I tell them "shut the **** up, that is what I'm getting!"

Drone
10-02-09, 20:07
what can you expect from OS called ubuntu ...

spikejones
10-02-09, 20:16
what can you expect from OS called ubuntu ...
LOTS of support from around the globe!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_(philosophy)

its not a fictional word... its a philosophy.

irjudd
10-02-09, 21:07
To be honest, it's a great OS. Well, Kubuntu is good too, if you like the KDE environment better.
I'd say the only reason I don't use it myself is because Wine is kind of a joke when it comes to game compatibility.

Punaxe
10-02-09, 21:12
The Synaptic in Ubuntu is absolutely awesome. If Linux as a platform was compatible with everything I wanted to do on my PC I'd probably be running Ubuntu,

Love2Raid
10-02-09, 21:58
Awww, that's so sad! :(

I have heard of Ubuntu but never worked with anything else but Windows. At school, at your job, everywhere you need to work with Work, Excel, Powerpoint. But.......they only work on Windows!

Evil, evil Microsoft (where is my DLC??!!!)! :mad:

:ton:

freeze10108
10-02-09, 22:38
I find it so tasteless when computer experts make fun of these things.

But even newbies should at least be able to tinker on the computer. If she would've done that, sooner or later, she would've come across the OpenOffice.org Word Processor program in the Office section under the Applications menu. Follow link to pic. (http://i40.************/keuckl.jpg)

Penguins!?! OMG! I hope I don't get banned for that! :eek:

Tux. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tux)
Awww, that's so sad! :(

I have heard of Ubuntu but never worked with anything else but Windows. At school, at your job, everywhere you need to work with Work, Excel, Powerpoint. But.......they only work on Windows!

Evil, evil Microsoft (where is my DLC??!!!)! :mad:

:ton:

But OpenOffice makes programs that function just as well as--and are compatible with--the MS Office Suite, but OpenOffice is completely free (and included on standard Ubuntu distributions.)

Also, to all the Ubuntu/Linux haters: Why? I think it works better than Vista, and it runs much more smoothly on my ten-year-old ThinkPad 600e Laptop than XP or 2000 ever did.

Dark Lugia 2
10-02-09, 22:59
I'd be so gutted if I was in her position :eek: poor girl

spikejones
10-02-09, 23:00
To be honest, it's a great OS. Well, Kubuntu is good too, if you like the KDE environment better.
I'd say the only reason I don't use it myself is because Wine is kind of a joke when it comes to game compatibility.
cedega apparently addresses some of those issues, and if I am not mistaken is basically a preconfigured wine/cabextract package that takes the guess work out of it. technically free software, but you have to buy something else (magazine subscription) in order to get it. :mad:
The Synaptic in Ubuntu is absolutely awesome. If Linux as a platform was compatible with everything I wanted to do on my PC I'd probably be running Ubuntu,
points up.
synaptic IS great. you know what's greater?

apt-get install [package name]

At school, at your job, everywhere you need to work with Work, Excel, Powerpoint. But.......they only work on Windows!

www.openoffice.org (http://www.openoffice.org)
office MAC (http://store.apple.com/us/browse/home/mac/campaigns/ms_office_2008_landing?cid=OAS-US-KWG-Software-US)

pfft...

Love2Raid
11-02-09, 19:34
www.openoffice.org (http://www.openoffice.org)
office MAC (http://store.apple.com/us/browse/home/mac/campaigns/ms_office_2008_landing?cid=OAS-US-KWG-Software-US)

pfft...

So it is possible to open and work with MS Office files in for example Open Office and vice versa?

Didn't know that.

irjudd
11-02-09, 19:36
So it is possible to open and work with MS Office files in for example Open Office and vice versa?

Didn't know that.
Yes that is correct.
In fact, Open Office is able to open new Office document formats that old versions of Office can't even open.

Punaxe
11-02-09, 19:41
This is just a recent development however from when they made the switch to open formats. Before that, I suppose you would indeed have had trouble opening (enhnaced) Word documents in Linux's word processors - but I might be wrong.
I actually heard that one of the reasons Mac OS is still around today may well be because MS Office has been released for that OS.

spikejones
12-02-09, 04:52
^but MAC users can get open office as well. ;)
yeah... the support for XML in open office is new. the last I checked a few months ago - it was absent.

but heres the ticker for ya:
when saving a document in open office and you want to make sure that it can be opened in MS Office, you MUST choose the proper "save as type" selection. generally it would be "ms office document [insert version year here]" otherwise you will be saving to open office's default type which doesn't work with MS Office.

not sure if there is an option to change that permanently or not - I know that there is in MS Office though.

Ward Dragon
12-02-09, 05:59
I'm pretty sure you get to choose your operating system when you buy a PC. If she paid for Windows and got Ubuntu, then she should have absolutely insisted that Dell send her the Windows install discs. Anyhow, I kind of get the impression that the girl is very unfamiliar with computers and probably would have screwed up her online class anyway, so at least she saved herself the college tuition :o

dox online
12-02-09, 07:18
Reminds me of the IT crowd short film that came with season 1 DVD named, "Hello friend" with the Praemus system that ruined everything as well.

spikejones
12-02-09, 13:25
smart girl Jennifer! I feel the same way about it. :tmb:

Endow
12-02-09, 15:28
The drama of everyday stories!

maximum_123
12-02-09, 17:03
...


She would've got far in Technology college.

Clara [CA]
12-02-09, 21:24
...


She would've got far in Technology college.

My thoughts exactly.

spikejones
12-02-09, 21:50
;3455840']My thoughts exactly.

...


She would've got far in Technology college.
were that sarcasm or do you really truly believe that she would in fact do well in tech school?

Beans-Bot
12-02-09, 22:31
I'm just glad that this didn't turn into a story similar to that of the high school student who nearly got suspended for "hacking" when the teacher didn't know what Firefox was. :hea:

Anyway, it seems more the fault of the college for not having their site support all operating systems. ;)

Sucks for her, though.

knightgames
13-02-09, 04:40
Ubuntu? Isn't that the name of the 'witch doctor mask thing' that followed Crash Bandicoot?

mau3genius
13-02-09, 04:54
More like "Her own idiocy ruined her college dream".
Was it that hard to think "Hey, maybe If I don't have a clue on this OS, I should probably change it!"?!
I wonder how far she would've gone in Tech College :vlol:

spikejones
13-02-09, 04:58
I'm just glad that this didn't turn into a story similar to that of the high school student who nearly got suspended for "hacking" when the teacher didn't know what Firefox was. :hea:

Anyway, it seems more the fault of the college for not having their site support all operating systems. ;)

Sucks for her, though.

its the fault of your school for not teaching you to read it seems:p
:vlol:
I jest, I jest.... don't take it personally.

the lady was wanting to take long distance courses from home using the internet. She was presented with an operating system she didn't know how to use. Moreover... it is not readily compatible with things like the verizon wireless cards/dongles/cell phones for the use of Broadband dialup internet (dialing to #777) - this is solveable via the scripts (or ones very similar to those) that I posted earlier. also... you cant just take ms office out of the box and put it into a linux OS. but, linux has open office which is compatible.

the school isnt to blame here, she wasnt even there!!
besides... if you go to school AT school, you get to use their computers in the classroom (if it is a computing necessary class that is). You can use ubuntu on WiFi as well as wired LAN. Its really compatible with all sorts of hardware - just the software she was trying to use was for windows :vlol:

she shoulda got just got drunk (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wine_(software));)

Cochrane
13-02-09, 08:00
I'd say it's Dells fault for delivering Ubuntu and convincing her to stay with it even though she didn't have a clue and didn't have appropriate resources to learn it. Sure, OpenOffice is compatible, but I'd say that not knowing that is perfectly normal and acceptable.

Spikejones: I love apt-get, trust me (there's a Mac OS X version as well, thanks to the Fink project), but if you expect normal computer users to use it, you are (or better, the software developer is) doing something wrong. What package would she need for her driver? I don't think that answer can be found in any obvious way if you don't have an internet connection (and not having one seems to have been her problem in the first place). Similarly, WINE is a great piece of software and I'm amazed that it works as well as it does (well, the Mac version anyway), but installing something on Linux with Wine is more work and less straightforward than installing something on Windows.

The problem isn't that Linux couldn't have done what she needed. It also isn't that she didn't know any of that, since Linux is currently so small that one generally can't be expected to know these things (especially since there's no Linux stores with Genius Bars or anything). The problem is that someone sold her Ubuntu and did not get her the help to get started on these basic points.

Saphyre
13-02-09, 08:19
Ubuntu? Isn't that the name of the 'witch doctor mask thing' that followed Crash Bandicoot?

No I thought that was Aku Aku

spikejones
13-02-09, 08:37
@cochrane... all fair points. my view is that for a person who is supposedly wanting to get an education.. it seems (although she failed at getting dell to deliver windows) that she did not practice the fundamentals of learning. if you ask around, you will get some answers.


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envy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Envy_%28software%29) is great too btw.:tmb:
apt-get install envy

lets install those drivers!!:D

would be nice to have a port of that for windows. but I'm working on the ati side of detecting out of date drivers and directing to the download page.

godmodder
13-02-09, 09:07
IMO, if you're not able to work with Ubuntu, the simplest of all Linux distributions, then you shouldn't even attempt to go and study. That stuff is 100x harder than figuring out Ubuntu. BTW, who needs Microsoft Word when you've got OpenOffice? I don't. And for all the official documents, like papers and stuff I use LateX.

Jeroen

Clara [CA]
13-02-09, 19:12
were that sarcasm or do you really truly believe that she would in fact do well in tech school?
Sarcasm from me.

spikejones
14-02-09, 04:17
IMO, if you're not able to work with Ubuntu, the simplest of all Linux distributions, then you shouldn't even attempt to go and study. That stuff is 100x harder than figuring out Ubuntu. BTW, who needs Microsoft Word when you've got OpenOffice? I don't. And for all the official documents, like papers and stuff I use LateX.

Jeroen
ubuntu isn't really the easiest to be honest. Mandriva One is more user friendly than Ubuntu. Plus.. 7.10 didn't come with native DVD support. I had to hunt down libdvdcss for that. Mint had it by default and so did Mandriva. I'd say go with Mint or Mandriva KDE environments before going Ubuntu GNOME if you are used to Windows. Which direction you go there really depends if you like Debian or Red Hat. I'm personally more of a Debian fan than Red Hat, but that's because I was brought into linux on Ubuntu, then switched to Mint. Mandriva is great OS for anyone that doesnt want to get heavy into console, but for me being used to debian commands - the red hat within it said "no way buddy".

I wouldn't say school is 100x harder than figuring out Ubuntu though. it all depends on what you are studying for. Rocket Science for example... no doubt. Other stuff is a breeze.

irjudd
14-02-09, 04:42
Knoppix for the win :cln: Still one of my favorite distros