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tlr online
17-02-09, 11:35
Finally!

A former head of MI5 has accused the government of exploiting the fear of terrorism and trying to bring in laws that restrict civil liberties. In an interview in a Spanish newspaper, published in the Daily Telegraph, Dame Stella Rimington, 73, also accuses the US of "tortures".

The Home Office said it was vital to strike a right balance between privacy, protection and sharing personal data. It said any policies which impact on privacy must be "proportionate".

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7893890.stm

Goose
17-02-09, 11:39
Finally!

Lol, you do know she retired in 1996, and is now an executive director of Marks and Spencers?

I probably know more about counter revolutionary warfare and insurgency then her.

She can chat about Northern Ireland all she likes. She's not qualified to talk about islamic extremism in the new millennium.

Trigger_happy
17-02-09, 12:17
^Yeah, but I get the feeling that MI5 isn't really a job that you retire from. They'd probably still contact you, even you'd been off work for years.

Goose
17-02-09, 12:22
^Yeah, but I get the feeling that MI5 isn't really a job that you retire from. They'd probably still contact you, even you'd been off work for years.

Absolutely not, MI6 maybe, but once you retire from an intelligence agency, especially if you become head of Marks and Spencer's, and then go on to write books and get your face in the papers, the last thing MI5 want is to give her anything to work with to make her money.

She's using her position from over a decade ago, to sell herself and her opinion.

Im all for ripping the **** out of this pathetic left wing government we have, but she's just chatting rubbish.

Archetype
17-02-09, 12:25
Absolutely not, MI6 maybe, but once you retire from an intelligence agency, especially if you become head of Marks and Spencer's, and then go on to write books and get your face in the papers, the last thing MI5 want is to give her anything to work with to make her money.

She's using her position from over a decade ago, to sell herself and her opinion.

Im all for ripping the **** out of this pathetic left wing government we have, but she's just chatting rubbish.

Its highly likely that what she's saying is true..

Something that I believe, but I'm not going to share for personal reasons.

Goose
17-02-09, 12:27
Its highly likely that what she's saying is true..

Something that I believe, but I'm not going to share for personal reasons.

Actually, the chances of it being publicity are MUCH higher.

http://www.fantasticfiction.co.uk/images/x1/x8732.jpg
http://www.fantasticfiction.co.uk/images/n26/n133156.jpg
http://www.eurocrime.co.uk/reviews/DLine.jpg
http://images.barnesandnoble.com/images/27410000/27419633.JPG

Absoultly the last person MI5 would have contact with on matters of national security.

She must have a good few predecessors by now....

Geck-o-Lizard
17-02-09, 15:09
Damn I got pwned. Well here's (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/lawandorder/4643415/Spy-chief-We-risk-a-police-state.html) an alternate article :p

Goose
17-02-09, 15:36
I suppose i shouldn't complain about her seeking publicity for her work, she'll probably get a good few thousand people to vote Conservative in the next elections.

Geck-o-Lizard
17-02-09, 15:47
What difference would it make? You really think the conservatives will reverse the surveillance trend?

Mad Tony
17-02-09, 15:53
I don't think she'll even need to, Goose. The Conservatives will win by a land-slide. From what I hear support for Labour is very, very low at the moment - and with reason too.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601102&sid=ad9fZgubKWxY&refer=uk

Goose
17-02-09, 16:00
What difference would it make? You really think the conservatives will reverse the surveillance trend?

Do you really think she has any idea about MI5's current opperations?

She's an author. You think the sas have anything to do with Andy McNab?

Conservatives will have to reverse it, there policy is real police with less paperwork, rather then no police, loads of paperwork and CCTV.

Even then, if the Tory's wont change it, then maybe your only hope is the monster raving loony party?