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Hey friends?whats up?I came up on a youtube video...and while i was reading the comments i came up to this one:Who told you that pyrating games is ilegal around the globe?Its illegal on US...but its legal on Europe)
:o wt*?Is that true?:hug:
Legal advice from a youtube comment?
Trigger_happy
24-05-09, 21:41
Ha ha ha ha! That's actually the best thing I've heard today. They do know that countries outside of the US have laws don't they?
Of course its not true.
No form of pirating is legal.
Hence the term pirating.
No form of pirating is legal.
Hence the term pirating.
THANks ..i just wanted to clear this out:D
Lara's home
24-05-09, 22:06
http://w-shadow.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/piracy-is-not-theftreally.png
Piracy is ILLEGAL and people do get arrested and charged for it. Never trust anything you read on YouTube! I read that pop can get rid of a yeast infection.
Youtube is full of retarded comments.
Dont EVER listen to them.
not again!
24-05-09, 22:20
There are several countries in Europe (Austria being one of them), where the mere download of pirated stuff isn't a persecuteable offense, just the upload. The moar you know.
Larson_1988
24-05-09, 22:29
There are several countries in Europe (Austria being one of them), where the mere download of pirated stuff isn't a persecuteable offense, just the upload. The moar you know.
Yes, we have the same law here aswell, it's legal to download for personal use. But not distributing it, hence uploading.
Kittypower
25-05-09, 00:45
well, technacly piracy isnt illegal in a few countries, like the netherlands. Downloading something off the internet isnt against the law, its uploading something.(in the netherlands, sweden, belgium...etc.)
edit:ooopss, beaten to it.
spikejones
25-05-09, 02:21
^then that isn't piracy. the pirates are the ones who do the stealing and uploading.
^then that isn't piracy. the pirates are the ones who do the stealing and uploading.
you mean that i can just sit on my pc and download every game i want?) But only for myself?If i do that?How are the companies gonna make money?
you mean that i can just sit on my pc and download every game i want?) But only for myself?If i do that?How are the companies gonna make money?
Well the point is you wouldn't be able to do that if no one broke the law and uploaded the games in the first place.
Well the point is you wouldn't be able to do that if no one broke the law and uploaded the games in the first place.
yes but:confused: LOL Im confused...lets say that someone brakes the law by stealing something and giving it to us...if we accept it then it looks like we support him by braking the law...so isnt it the same thing with pyrating games..or better(downloading pyrated games?)
I think the actual law in most countries (at least Germany) is that it is allowed only if it's not from an obviously illegal source. The idea of such a law, as far as I know (I'm not a lawyer) is to protect people who downloaded something without knowing that they did wrong - for example from some site that charges money and loudly claims that it's all legal. However, "obviously illegal source" is not defined properly, and courts have varied a lot in what they say. If you know what you are doing and someone finds out, then there's a good chance that you will be punished.
Executive Summary: Don't pirate games.
The person has obviously been reading defence points for the pirate bay trial, whereby they say they are doing nothing illegal in their country. The said person had been on youtube and decided to be really cleaver and say this, but has misinterpreted it and so made himself look very stupid indeed.
Piracy is a crime everywhere, its just some countries laws differ on it than others.
In some places is supposed to be ilegal but doesn't seem too.
Here in my country (Venezuela) they sell pirated games, movies and music everywhere, there are more places where they sell piracy than the original stuff.
In my town, I can only think of a single store where they sell original Music CDs and Movies, and another one for games. And they are both new.
There were more some years ago, but I guess they went broke because people prefer to pay like 10% or less of the price for a pirated copy than the original thing.
It supposed to be illegal, but they sell it everywhere like candy
Techniqually, if you download something from the internet, its the same as getting it from a friend, basically, hence why the law does nothing. no one really loses money, it like a gift.
now selling it on the street after you download it is different. THAT is stealing...console games form torrent sites for example
Actually, they have a point.
Portuguese law says (my translation), on the 75th article of the law of author rights:
"2-It is legal, without the author's consent the following uses of the work:
a) (...) The reproduction in any support, done by a single person for private purpose, without direct or indirect comercial purposes"
I believe other european countries have similar legislation.
So yes, it is perfectly legal to download (only!) whatever you want, and no one will mess with you.
If you pay attention, every time a company prossecutes someone due to copyright infringment is for making content available. If you seed copyrighted material you are making content available, and you are liable under the law.
But if you just download (from servers like rapidshare, for instance), you will have no problems in Portugal, or countries with similar legislation (which I believe most european contries have)
Anyone remember the case of the guy who was acused of seeding copyrighted material which he had previsouly downloaded, and he was proven not guilty after he proved he was runing a modified version of a bittorrent client, that didn't allow for uploads? I believe it was in the UK... He didn't contest he downloaded the material... he simply proved he didn't upload anything, and the court rulled in his favour.
Dark Lugia 2
26-05-09, 01:03
^ There are laws (atleast in the UK) dissalowing things liek DVD's to be used outside personal use, like borrowing them...
Piracy is illegal :P technically, well, atleast in the UK, again XD
Techniqually, if you download something from the internet, its the same as getting it from a friend, basically, hence why the law does nothing. no one really loses money, it like a gift.
now selling it on the street after you download it is different. THAT is stealing...console games form torrent sites for example
Technically lending a game to a friend (even for free) is illegal, because that person would be playing the game without paying for it. The way you need to look at it, is that when you purchase it legally, your not buying the game but instead purchasing a licence to play it.
Technically lending a game to a friend (even for free) is illegal, because that person would be playing the game without paying for it. The way you need to look at it, is that when you purchase it legally, your not buying the game but instead purchasing a licence to play it.
I'm sorry but that sounds stupid, me and my cousins lend games all the time. How can that be illegal ? The game was paid and was lended later, there's no problem with that. How will they know it's lended anyway ? They wouldn't.
And concerning the topic,
- downloading games from internet unless it's for backup use. And I'm not gonna lie that's one of the big excuses for some websites to keep material as those for users to download, backup.
-Buying or selling pirate copies is the most illegal thing.
-Complete or part reproduction of the product is also illegal
- I think it's fine to download cave-aged games, they are nowhere to be found and you would need do go to e-bay if they can be found there, risk getting nothing at all or the product in rubbish state. And if this is illegal after all then the companies should think of re-releasing their cave-aged games once again.
- It all depends on where you live, laws aren't the same for everyone.
- Downloading stuff for personal use is illegal too. Think of a supermarket, the stuff inside is for personal use but you're not going anywhere without buying them.
- Downloading, deleting and buying. Is another different thing but then again illegal. You download for trying, you like it and you delete and go buy it. After all if it's not bought it's wheter because the user thought it just didn't diserve all the money or they don't have the opportunity to buy. But that doesn't make it legal so ;)
I myself can't live without the cd case, the cover and whatever comes inside, I prefer to have the product in my hands than having it "digitally". It's more trusty. But there's one thing I hate which is the stickers. I totally hate when they fill the cover with them, even the pink one that comes with a shiny part :hea: Because if I try to remove it I risk getting the cover all sticky, pure waste of paper.
^ Just because someone doesn't know that it's been lent or passed around it doesn't then make it legal ;)
If you stabbed someone and no one knew it was you, would that be legal?
If you stabbed someone and no one knew it was you, would that be legal?
No, but it would be the perfect crime. ^_^
even though it isn't that legal here in the Netherlands. they exploit it. here you pay extra to surf so the companies still get money even if you pirate it. they honest people that only buy are the victims of the piraters here :hea: . the only thing your allowed to download is music though.
I'm sorry but that sounds stupid, me and my cousins lend games all the time. How can that be illegal ? The game was paid and was lended later, there's no problem with that. How will they know it's lended anyway ? They wouldn't.
Most companies will never prosecute people for lending games, however the law is there just incase.
Just because you payed for the game doesnt give you the right to lend it to someone else, that person would then be playing the game for free, and thus the videogame company would be loosing money, which is why it is illegal. Like I said your not buying the game, your buying the licence to play it.
Its also there so that people being charged for piracy can't use it as an excuse.
And concerning the topic,
- downloading games from internet unless it's for backup use. And I'm not gonna lie that's one of the big excuses for some websites to keep material as those for users to download, backup.
-Buying or selling pirate copies is the most illegal thing.
-Complete or part reproduction of the product is also illegal
- I think it's fine to download cave-aged games, they are nowhere to be found and you would need do go to e-bay if they can be found there, risk getting nothing at all or the product in rubbish state. And if this is illegal after all then the companies should think of re-releasing their cave-aged games once again.
- It all depends on where you live, laws aren't the same for everyone.
- Downloading stuff for personal use is illegal too. Think of a supermarket, the stuff inside is for personal use but you're not going anywhere without buying them.
- Downloading, deleting and buying. Is another different thing but then again illegal. You download for trying, you like it and you delete and go buy it. After all if it's not bought it's wheter because the user thought it just didn't diserve all the money or they don't have the opportunity to buy. But that doesn't make it legal so ;)
As I understand, you are portuguese. Are you familiar with the law on author rights or you are just talking for talking?
Check the legislation (http://www.spautores.pt/document/CodigodoDireitodeAutorCDADC.doc), article 75th, point 2 a) (For those of you who don't speak portuguese, I translated what is relevant a few posts ago). Also check article 189th ("Free use"), point 1:
"The protection stated in this title (note: The code on author rights), doesn't apply to:
a) Private use"
So before you go on saying everything from borrowing from a friend to selling illegal copies for profit is illegal, check you legislation. There is a lot a misconceptions on this subject due to the efforts of the music, movies, videogames industry (fair efforts, in my opinion) to convince people everything but buying the game is illegal. But when it comes to the law, it is NOT.
And in several european countries the legislation is similar: you can make a copy for purely private purposes. That is why companies always prosecute who is making content available (which is ilegal) and not who is only downloading.
It would be apreciated if you could quote legislation from your country stating otherwise. Just because everyone thinks it is wrong, and companies try to prevent people from doing it, doesn't make it ilegal.
Lately the law for piracy, reminds me of those apparent silly laws in America.
Like in Georgia your not allowed to eat roast chicken with a fork. Somewhere in US your not allowed to bath a dog and a moose together. Quite amusing, but was one way to stop people from even doing them...
Here's others (http://www.bitoffun.com/stupid_laws.htm) XD
Lately the law for piracy, reminds me of those apparent silly laws in America.
Like in Georgia your not allowed to eat roast chicken with a fork. Somewhere in US your not allowed to bath a dog and a moose together. Quite amusing, but was one way to stop people from even doing them...
Here's others (http://www.bitoffun.com/stupid_laws.htm) XD
what on earth?LOOOOL XAXAX HAHAH this is is is...lol so funny
well, technacly piracy isnt illegal in a few countries, like the netherlands. Downloading something off the internet isnt against the law, its uploading something.(in the netherlands, sweden, belgium...etc.)
edit:ooopss, beaten to it.Indeed, here in Belgium too.
You can be caught on using torrents tho, unless you block the upload of your torrent program. Or if you set the program to upload 0 kb/s, then it's perfectly legal.
However, here in Belgium we do have download limits, like 20gb/month.
Some only 512MB/month !
Lately the law for piracy, reminds me of those apparent silly laws in America.
In Sweden they're ker-ay-zee (In a bad way. :p) about pirating, since we got Pirate Bay's owners and all! :vlol:
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