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Mad Tony
14-08-09, 14:07
Health Secretary Andy Burnham has accused a Tory MEP who attacked the NHS on American TV of being "unpatriotic".

Labour has stepped up its criticism of Daniel Hannan, with John Prescott recording a YouTube message to the American people defending the NHS.
Tory leader David Cameron has insisted the NHS is his "number one priority" and dismissed Mr Hannan as "eccentric".

The MEP described Britain's health service a "60 year mistake" in a debate on Barack Obama's health reforms.

Labour and the Lib Dems have seized on the comments - and others made last week on Fox News - to claim that they represent the views of many in the Conservative Party.

Mr Burnham said: "What has happened within the last 48 hours is what Cameron has feared most because it lays bare the Tories' deep ambivalence towards the NHS.


Full story: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8200817.stm

This is ridiculous. How is speaking out against an institution such as the NHS "unpatriotic"? Can't say I'm surprised with this reaction from the Labour part though. I'm also disappointed with the reaction some Conservatives have given Hannan just because his views on the NHS don't necessarily fall in line with the majority of his party members.

Seems like anyone who doesn't approve of the NHS is automatically treated with hostility by most people from across the political spectrum. Shame.

Trigger_happy
14-08-09, 15:12
The biggest thing is how Scotland still seems to think its better then the rest of the UK. They should pull their head out of their arse and pull their weight more often.

Mad Tony
14-08-09, 15:13
What, you mean with the government funding thing and how Scotland gets allocated more money per capita than England does?

Trigger_happy
14-08-09, 15:20
Indeed. They say that if they separated, things would be better, they wouldn't be oppressed, Scotland could do what it wants, but we pay for everything. We give them so much money us in England fun their free prescriptions charges 7.10 a time. Without us they wouldn't survive.

Mad Tony
14-08-09, 15:27
Since we're on the topic of the NHS and the allocation of government funding between countries in the UK, I thought this article might be interesting.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2099082/NHS-spending-gap-between-England-and-Scotland-widens-to-400-per-head.html

Oh, and the system that allocates the funds is called the Barnett Formula

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barnett_formula

If you look at the regional funding across England you'll find that the South East gets much lower funding per capita compared to other parts of England. Seems like South East England is probably one of the worst treated places in the whole United Kingdom when it comes to government funding, even though it is the economic center of the UK.

Trigger_happy
14-08-09, 15:33
I think the Barnett formula needs to be totally redone. They get far too much money. They can have free prescriptions, free university tuition and even free hospital parking. We're only still using it as Brown needs as much help as he can get.

SamReeves
14-08-09, 15:52
Full story: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8200817.stm

This is ridiculous. How is speaking out against an institution such as the NHS "unpatriotic"? Can't say I'm surprised with this reaction from the Labour part though. I'm also disappointed with the reaction some Conservatives have given Hannan just because his views on the NHS don't necessarily fall in line with the majority of his party members.

Seems like anyone who doesn't approve of the NHS is automatically treated with hostility by most people from across the political spectrum. Shame.

It reminds me of how anyone who speaks out against King Obama and his brand of socialist healthcare. They're instantly characterized by the press as loony bins, when in reality the Obamacare is craziest idea.

Trigger_happy
14-08-09, 15:57
Is there any reason that universal healthcare in theory is wrong? Aiming to do it now probably isn't the best thing, with the lack of money and finances going to pot and all, but why is it so revolting to Americans? Random question.

Jo269976
14-08-09, 16:35
The biggest thing is how Scotland still seems to think its better then the rest of the UK. They should pull their head out of their arse and pull their weight more often.

http://www.scotclans.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/irn-bru.gif

Trigger_happy
14-08-09, 16:40
However nice Irn Bru is, I don't think it makes up for the awfulness that is Haggis, or the fact that we pay for them.

Mad Tony
15-08-09, 20:33
Just read this article on Daniel Hannan. Couldn't help but agree with everything the author put, especially this:

He is accused by deeply unpopular socialist politicians, who have done nothing for their nation, of being “unpatriotic” and is labeled in a major newspaper headline as the NHS “traitor”. This is all monumentally unfair, and frankly un-British. Where is the spirit of fair play and open debate that are hallmarks of the oldest democracy on the face of the earth?http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/nilegardiner/100006594/daniel-hannan-deserves-praise-not-condemnation/

I think the reaction Hannan has got is disgraceful. I am so sick and tired of everyone defending the NHS itself as if it is perfect and should be closed to debate. Critisizing our service men and women is more accepted here than Criticizing the NHS, which is almost regarded as high treason, despite the fact that the NHS has many shortfalls which include things like huge debt, super-bugs and indirectly causing the death of patients (my own grandmother being one of them). I completely respect the people who work with the NHS but the service itself is broken. Critisizing the NHS is not unpatriotic.

scion05
15-08-09, 20:42
And to think Andy Burnham is my towns MP >.>

Mad Tony
15-08-09, 20:49
I know how you feel man. I live in one of the only Labour controlled constituencies in the entire South-East. Hopefully that'll change come June next year. I've met the Conservative candidate who's running and I think she'd be a far better MP than who we have now.

Also, when the parish council elections were on this year I helped campaign for the Conservative candidate for the most messed up area in the town which is typically a Labour stronghold. Guess who won? Labour. Why? Because they're the ones who are most likely to keep giving them loads of benefits.

snork
15-08-09, 21:16
MEP = Member of European Parliament ?
Those ALL suffer from not feeling noticed enough by the public. Sometimes they get so desperate they come up with ANYTHING to make it into the media. Not really worth a second thought, I think. *shrugs*

Mad Tony
15-08-09, 21:21
MEP = Member of European Parliament ?
Those ALL suffer from not feeling noticed enough by the public. Sometimes they get so desperate they come up with ANYTHING to make it into the media. Not really worth a second thought, I think. *shrugs*Yep.

What do you mean, not getting noticed enough by the public? You must be joking. Daniel Hannan is one of the best known current British politicians, mainly due to his terrific speech on Gordon Brown in the European parliament earlier this year. Besides, Hannan was just giving his view on our healthcare system to the American public in the middle of Obama's socialist healthcare plans.