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Mad Tony
17-08-09, 10:47
President Barack Obama's administration has signalled that its healthcare reforms may be diluted, amid pressure from opponents.

Mr Obama has been pressing for a government-run scheme to extend healthcare insurance to some 46 million people in the US.
But Health Secretary Kathleen Sebelius said that this had never been Mr Obama's top priority.

She hinted that he may accept the idea of non-profit insurance co-operatives.

In an interview with CNN, Ms Sebelius said that Mr Obama's government-run insurance plan - a so-called "public option" - was "not the essential element" of the administration reforms.

"I think what's important is choice and competition. And I'm convinced at the end of the day, the plan will have both of those," she said.

Separately, White House spokesman Robert Gibbs also refused to say that the "public option" was a make-or-break choice.

Mr Gibbs said Mr Obama's administration would consider an alternative proposal of consumer-owned, non-profit co-operatives that would sell insurance in competition with private industry.
The proposal is currently being fine-tuned in the Senate Finance Committee.

The comments of Mr Obama's senior officials come in contrast to the president's remarks at a "town-hall" speech in Colorado on Saturday that his faith in a public option was strong.
If the administration makes this concession it would probably enrage many of its liberal supporters, correspondents say.

But they say it could also deliver the president a much-needed win on his top domestic priority for 2009.

There has been some progress in the House of Representatives on agreeing a deal on the issue but negotiations in the Senate have stalled.
Both chambers need to agree on a bill before it can become law.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/8204508.stm

Good news. Be even better if it was scrapped completely though. :p

Johnnay
17-08-09, 11:27
Getting closer to Australias health care I see:)

Melonie Tomb Raider
17-08-09, 11:49
Scrap the dang thing, PLEASE!

Cochrane
17-08-09, 12:20
There's some interesting analysis on this here: http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2009/08/life-after-death-of-public-option.html

Two important points: The public opinion is, generally speaking, rather popular (http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2009/06/public-support-for-public-option.html), and could save a lot of money (http://blogs.tnr.com/tnr/blogs/the_treatment/archive/2009/07/10/exclusive-early-cbo-score-on-public-plan-it-s-good.aspx). Both are a little inconclusive, of course.

Chocola teapot
17-08-09, 13:54
Hmmm, Intriguing.

Dennis's Mom
17-08-09, 14:01
I would prefer any option that the government doesn't run. Government programs are just a giant money pit.

stereopathic
17-08-09, 14:45
best thing to do would be to subsidize preventative medicine and make sure children get the health care they need.

i don't understand how lyndon johnson got racist asshole republicans to vote for the civil rights act and obama can't push this this thing through. i mean, i understand how johnson did it, but i don't know why obama isn't following his example.

Mad Tony
17-08-09, 14:48
best thing to do would be to subsidize preventative medicine and make sure children get the health care they need.

i don't understand how lyndon johnson got racist asshole republicans to vote for the civil rights act and obama can't push this this thing through. i mean, i understand how johnson did it, but i don't know why obama isn't following his example.Possibly because the civil rights act was clearly a good idea while Obama's healthcare plan isn't?

Anyway, not all Republicans were opposed to the civil rights act, it was mainly southern politicians in general, be they Republican or Democrat.

stereopathic
17-08-09, 14:52
Possibly because the civil rights act was clearly a good idea while Obama's healthcare plan isn't?

it's seen as a good idea now, sure, but at the time many republicans felt more strongly opposed to the issue than many are to this healthcare plan. i make the comparison because health care seems to be as important to obama as the civil rights act was to johnson and they both faced seemingly insurmountable opposition.

Mad Tony
17-08-09, 14:59
it's seen as a good idea now, sure, but at the time many republicans felt more strongly opposed to the issue than many are to this healthcare plan. i make the comparison because health care seems to be as important to obama as the civil rights act was to johnson and they both faced seemingly insurmountable opposition.Why do you keep on saying Republicans? You'll actually find that a bigger percentage of Republicans voted for the bill than Democrats.

Ok, I see where you're coming from. Yeah, well Obama isn't as good a president as LBJ was. :p

takamotosan
17-08-09, 15:36
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/8204508.stm

Good news. Be even better if it was scrapped completely though. :p

Scrap the dang thing, PLEASE!

Are y'all saying "scrap the entire idea", or just this bill?

stereopathic
17-08-09, 15:39
Why do you keep on saying Republicans? You'll actually find that a bigger percentage of Republicans voted for the bill than Democrats.

Ok, I see where you're coming from. Yeah, well Obama isn't as good a president as LBJ was. :p

yeah, LBJ convinced them to vote for it, convinced them that the party was so entrenched in their states that they wouldn't be voted out (they weren't). but johnson made a lot of deals, too. he got them to vote for the act and in return he gave them support on other issues. i'm using the examples of republicans, because they were the most outspoken on the issue, similar to what we see here with obama and the health care plan. but yes, both presidents face(d) opposition from inside their party as well. it's just an interesting correlation.

as for the health care plan, strangely enough polls of public opinion seem to support the idea, but the videos of the minority's passion get the headlines creating a PR tidal wave that obama has to deal with.

but i personally think the plan is a good idea, although the one that will pass (and it will) will be so diluted, it'll be meaningless and solve nothing. i know many have a problem with what they perceive as paying for someone else to go to the doctor, but they're doing that now. between illegal aliens and the uninsured, there's a huge burden upon the taxpayers as it is.

that's why i suggested that preventative medicine be covered. the cost of doing that could ultimately save the people billions of dollars dollars down the road. but i don't even know if the money is an issue for this vocal minority that we see on the news every day. for them it's more about the principle of becoming "socialist" or whatever.

and this is just my personal feeling on the issue but i am seeing racial tensions escalate here, leading me to believe that some feel that they would be paying for blacks/hispanics to go to the doctor. tragic, but not the first time opinions on an economical issue were race-motivated.

regardless, something has to change. insurance companies are making money hand-over-fist while their rates have become prohibitive for the middle class. coming out of college, i had real problems finding a company to work for that offered health benefits as they're becoming increasingly rare. the fewer people insured, the higher the rates. the higher the rates, the fewer people insured. we are locked into this cycle and something has to happen. the status quo is unacceptable. the system is being crushed under its own weight and it has to be addressed now before it's too late.

stereopathic
17-08-09, 16:01
sorry for 2xp.

re: lbj, i mean southern democrats of course, not republicans. i'm confusing my present and history. this is of course back when the south was rigidly democratic, a long-standing consequence of the republican-led reconstruction.

my bad.

point still stands though. LBJ made it happen. kudos to him.

SamReeves
17-08-09, 16:05
My honest opinionů

Get rid of the illegal immigrants which put a huge strain on our healthcare system. That's the first step to fixing the problems in this country. Then allow competition between insurance carriers between state lines. Right now as it is, you can only purchase health insurance within your state. That sucks. Obamacare wreaks of a worse version of the VA, which hasn't been stellar in treating our wounded servicemen.

amiro1989
17-08-09, 16:24
Oh this is sad. I guess America will never see what a free healthcare plan is. This is better in a lot of level. I just can't understand why people wouldn't jump in. This is probably the best thing that could happen in the USA.

I seriously hope he pushes his plan further. EVERYBODY should have a free access to any medical intervention.

Mad Tony
17-08-09, 16:39
Oh this is sad. I guess America will never see what a free healthcare plan is. This is better in a lot of level. I just can't understand why people wouldn't jump in. This is probably the best thing that could happen in the USA.

I seriously hope he pushes his plan further. EVERYBODY should have a free access to any medical intervention.But free healthcare really isn't the miracle cure to America's healthcare system Democrats in the US are making it out to be.

SamReeves
17-08-09, 16:40
I seriously hope he pushes his plan further. EVERYBODY should have a free access to any medical intervention.

Then you can pay for it! LOL.

irjudd
17-08-09, 16:44
And I was looking forward to having some problems fixed under the hood. I guess I'll just keep enduring.

takamotosan
17-08-09, 17:09
My honest opinionů

Get rid of the illegal immigrants which put a huge strain on our healthcare system. That's the first step to fixing the problems in this country. Then allow competition between insurance carriers between state lines. Right now as it is, you can only purchase health insurance within your state. That sucks. Obamacare wreaks of a worse version of the VA, which hasn't been stellar in treating our wounded servicemen.

OR we could make it a little less impossible to become a citizen ;)

stereopathic
17-08-09, 17:25
OR we could make it a little less impossible to become a citizen ;)

it really isn't that hard to become a citizen. there's an annual cap on how many people can become one but if you fill your paperwork out correctly (which is the biggest obstacle) your chances of being accepted aren't that bad. the illegals who sneak into the country from the carribean or south-of-the-border aren't interested in pursuing legal means into the united states anyhow. they then send their children to public schools and receive healthcare at county hospitals, both of which the citizens end up paying for. the strain, especially on the health care system, is tremendous.

Kelly Craftman
17-08-09, 17:28
Then you can pay for it! LOL.

Tax player will pay for it like here in England

amiro1989
17-08-09, 18:02
Then you can pay for it! LOL.

I live in Canada, I think I know what I'm talking about.