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Apathetic
11-09-09, 05:40
Tomorrow in english, they're making us watch Obama's "address," which is basically him giving us a long speech about the benefits of staying in school. I don't know what to think of this, or why he's doing it. We're going to have to write a writing prompt on it afterwards. They're making it optional since lots of parents, for some reason, wouldn't want their children watching it.
I think it's all just common sense to stay in school and do your best, right?


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voltz
11-09-09, 06:13
http://www.cagle.com/working/090904/benson.gif

sorry, it was worth bringing up again. :D

Dennis's Mom
11-09-09, 12:33
It certainly was a tempest in a teapot. As a moderate conservative, I have to say I'm very disappointed the conservative movement has pretty much boiled down to invoking Godwin's Law. :confused:

irjudd
11-09-09, 13:24
sorry, it was worth bringing up again. :D

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v177/JDFpics/2009/Sept%2009/cole.jpg

That's actually been the general consensus in my region. :p

interstellardave
11-09-09, 13:34
LOL!!!

I think this is overblown... and I'm no big Obama supporter, either. Apparently the speech was not controversial in it's content, so where's the harm?

I think it all goes back to the campaign, where Obama was sometimes pushed in schools... and there were times where it appeared to be an indoctrination effort by his more ardent supporters.

Mad Tony
11-09-09, 13:46
I see people here are forgetting this one particular thing that was dropped from the speech. :whi:

stereopathic
11-09-09, 13:50
my hometown of houston made the national news for being so adamantly against the speech. apparently a lot of people here thought that it had something to do with convincing innocent children to support healthcare bill. it was really just a bunch of nothing blown into something. it was ultimately just a bunch of standard stay in school, study hard and lalala.

irjudd
11-09-09, 14:05
my hometown of houston made the national news for being so adamantly against the speech. apparently a lot of people here thought that it had something to do with convincing innocent children to support healthcare bill. it was really just a bunch of nothing blown into something. it was ultimately just a bunch of standard stay in school, study hard and lalala.

Ah yes, but you seem to have no idea about what was dropped from said speech. :whi:

interstellardave
11-09-09, 14:08
Ah yes, but you seem to have no idea about what was dropped from said speech. :whi:

Ah, yes, there's always that possibility... I wouldn't put that past ANY politician.

stereopathic
11-09-09, 14:34
I see people here are forgetting this one particular thing that was dropped from the speech. :whi:

Ah yes, but you seem to have no idea about what was dropped from said speech. :whi:

Ah, yes, there's always that possibility... I wouldn't put that past ANY politician.

are y'all just gonna sit there and play coy, or are you going to spill what was dropped from the speech? :D i just visited a host of conservative & liberal blogs and they don't mention anything being dropped from the speech-proper. i know about the study points being altered (which was a concession that even several conservative blogs thought was unnecessary), but omissions from the speech i am unaware. fire away. lemme have it! :D

interstellardave
11-09-09, 14:40
He was going to reveal that Courtney Love really did kill Kurt Cobain... (Okay, that one was for irjudd) :cln:

I don't personally know of anything cut from the speech... It's just that I would believe it possible, even likely, of any politician though. If there's no evidence of it, then I guess it didn't happen.

irjudd
11-09-09, 14:54
Something about the Obama Youth Brigade I heard!

stereopathic
11-09-09, 15:18
He was going to reveal that Courtney Love really did kill Kurt Cobain... (Okay, that one was for irjudd) :cln

Something about the Obama Youth Brigade I heard!

hahaha! awesome. i actually have friends who have "carefully examined" the cobain thing and concluded that courtney killed him. they'll still go on and on about it if you let them. :D

Legend 4ever
12-09-09, 02:46
I think it is ridiculous that people made such fuzz about it while the speech was actually a common sense thing. All of our parents would say the same things to us. I just can't believe that some people are so disrespectful no matter if they don't accept Obama, he is our president and the people have to at least respect him if not agree with him. Nothing was dropped from the speech by the way.

Tombraiderx08
12-09-09, 02:49
Personally, just because the president does it, doesnt make it any more real, people have been pounding this into our brains since we could understand 2step commands :vlol: ridiculous :rolleyes:

Apathetic
12-09-09, 02:51
Personally, just because the president does it, doesnt make it any more real, people have been pounding this into our brains since we could understand 2step commands :vlol: ridiculous :rolleyes:

Ain't it? :p



|Too bad I didn't make it to school to write that essay. :D :D :D

Legend 4ever
12-09-09, 02:54
And I can't believe that people could actually NOT listen to it. OMG like, we had papers that we could take home for our parents to sign if they don't want us to see the speech. Like it was some kind of porn movie or something.

I couldn't believe that my brother, who is 6th grade, their class actually had to have their parents signed that they CAN watch the speech, which means that we are by default supposed to see our president's speech as something hazardous or whatever. So disrespectful and ridiculous.

Apathetic
12-09-09, 02:57
And I can't believe that people could actually NOT listen to it. OMG like, we had papers that we could take home for our parents to sign if they don't want us to see the speech. Like it was some kind of porn movie or something.

I couldn't believe that my brother, who is 6th grade, their class actually had to have their parents signed that they CAN watch the speech, which means that we are by default supposed to see our president's speech as something hazardous or whatever. So disrespectful and ridiculous.

They made us do that. Ridiculous. As if I needed permision to see him speak.

Bowie
12-09-09, 03:13
I see people here are forgetting this one particular thing that was dropped from the speech. :whi:
I see you're forgetting every ****ing thing else.

They made us do that. Ridiculous. As if I needed permision to see him speak.
You're just a kid, remember? Kids are Americans too, but they must be shielded from propaganda and groomed according to a shielded, traditionalist... well, propaganda.

Apathetic
12-09-09, 03:18
I see you're forgetting every ****ing thing else.


You're just a kid, remember? Kids are Americans too, but they must be shielded from propaganda and groomed according to a shielded, traditionalist... well, propaganda.

What's there to be "shielded" from in this speech?

Legend 4ever
12-09-09, 03:20
Nothing, that's the point.

They just hate Obama.

Uzi master
12-09-09, 03:30
And whats wrong with him? well I'm in Canada and don't always keep up to date so I wouldn't know ubt seriously "remember kids stay in schol, now I'll start recalling troops from Iraq!" "what a sick man! I don't wan't my children exposed to this!"

Mad Tony
12-09-09, 08:20
I see you're forgetting every ****ing thing else.Like what?

And whats wrong with him?Lots of things.

Cochrane
12-09-09, 10:06
So can anyone tell me what was dropped from his speech? I'm completely clueless here.

Mad Tony
12-09-09, 10:22
So can anyone tell me what was dropped from his speech? I'm completely clueless here.Some of the controversy surrounding Obama's speech stems from a proposed lesson plan created by the Education Department to accompany the address. An initial version of the plan recommended that students draft letters to themselves discussing "what they can do to help the president."

http://edition.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/09/04/obama.schools/index.html

Cochrane
12-09-09, 10:31
http://edition.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/09/04/obama.schools/index.html

But I don't get the impression that it ever was in the actual speech. Besides, if the goals of the president were (in this situation) to make sure that children work hard and stay in school, then frankly, what's the problem with children discussing how to do that?

Mad Tony
12-09-09, 10:33
Why was it even proposed in the first place? You've gotta admit that it's definitely rather odd. It's almost as if Obama is being put in place of the country.

Cochrane
12-09-09, 10:39
Why was it even proposed in the first place? You've gotta admit that it's definitely rather odd. It's almost as if Obama is being put in place of the country.

With all due respect, isn't identifying the president with the country a rather old part of american life? As head of state and commander of all military, he is an important symbol of the US by default, and the US has a history of placing a lot of importance in symbols over abstract concepts. Note the pledge of allegiance and the national anthem, both of which seemingly put the flag above the nation. Specifically when it comes to presidents, all the specialized travel, world-famous office building, presidential memorials and so on have created a cult of persona around the figure of the president long before the 21st century. Compared to these integral parts of american culture, the proposal seems rather harmless.

Mad Tony
12-09-09, 10:43
With all due respect, isn't identifying the president with the country a rather old part of american life? As head of state and commander of all military, he is an important symbol of the US by default, and the US has a history of placing a lot of importance in symbols over abstract concepts. Note the pledge of allegiance and the national anthem, both of which seemingly put the flag above the nation. Specifically when it comes to presidents, all the specialized travel, world-famous office building, presidential memorials and so on have created a cult of persona around the figure of the president long before the 21st century. Compared to these integral parts of american culture, the proposal seems rather harmless.That's true, but to me it seems like a play on JFKs famous quote of "think not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country". The phrase "what can you do to help the president" seems to put the needs of the president above the country.

scoopy_loopy
12-09-09, 10:49
Well I think its a great idea. Everyone school age should either be in school or doing some sort of traineeship/aprentiship.

Mad Tony
12-09-09, 11:40
Well I think its a great idea. Everyone school age should either be in school or doing some sort of traineeship/aprentiship.What idea?

Dennis's Mom
12-09-09, 14:55
Why was it even proposed in the first place? You've gotta admit that it's definitely rather odd.

What? Asking children to think of themselves as citizens of this country and how their actions can directly affect this country's success or failure? IMO, one of the primary things that's wrong with this country is the out and out lack of good citizenship. I have no problem with letting kids know that taking their educations seriously is an important part of being a good citizen.

I mean, every other week there's some article about how US kids lag behind other countries' kids in scores, degrees earned, yaddah yaddah. There's no point in worrying about it in that context unless it's a concern for the nation. If we don't care that our kids can't do math as well as the Japanese or have as many degrees per capita as India, fine. But I think we do, and that means telling kids education is a priority for the nation.

It's almost as if Obama is being put in place of the country.

I think it was merely an attempt to humanize the president as a person you could help, thereby keep the goal small enough for a child to feel they could accomplish. I don't think our children are raised to believe they can help their "country." That's a rather large and nebulous goal to give to a fifth grader, hence I think they thought it better to keep it personal.

Mad Tony
12-09-09, 15:17
What? Asking children to think of themselves as citizens of this country and how their actions can directly affect this country's success or failure? IMO, one of the primary things that's wrong with this country is the out and out lack of good citizenship. I have no problem with letting kids know that taking their educations seriously is an important part of being a good citizen.

I mean, every other week there's some article about how US kids lag behind other countries' kids in scores, degrees earned, yaddah yaddah. There's no point in worrying about it in that context unless it's a concern for the nation. If we don't care that our kids can't do math as well as the Japanese or have as many degrees per capita as India, fine. But I think we do, and that means telling kids education is a priority for the nationBut originally that's not what he was going to say. Asking schoolchildren what they think they can do for their president is not asking them what they think they do for their country. I have no problem with Obama's actual speech though, since all that "helping the president" bull**** was cut out and only things like "work hard and be nice to others" were left in.

I think it was merely an attempt to humanize the president as a person you could help, thereby keep the goal small enough for a child to feel they could accomplish. I don't think our children are raised to believe they can help their "country." That's a rather large and nebulous goal to give to a fifth grader, hence I think they thought it better to keep it personal.You think helping the most powerful man in the country isn't a large and nebulous goal? It puts across the message that the man matters more than the country. What next, are American servicemen gonna have to start taking oaths towards the president?

EmeraldFields
12-09-09, 15:27
But originally that's not what he was going to say. Asking schoolchildren what they think they can do for their president is not asking them what they think they do for their country. I have no problem with Obama's actual speech though, since all that "helping the president" bull**** was cut out and only things like "work hard and be nice to others" were left in.

You think helping the most powerful man in the country isn't a large and nebulous goal? It puts across the message that the man matters more than the country. What next, are American servicemen gonna have to start taking oaths towards the president?

LOL! Mad Tony, you're a nice guy, but if we Americans have no problem with the speech, then why do you?:p

interstellardave
12-09-09, 18:11
What matters is what happens next with education.

The democrats--and Obama--did a lot of in-school promotion during the campaign. Regardless of what was in the speech we'll have to wait and see what actually happens going forward in the schools.

If someone starts talking about "Obama youth" -- or anything like that with a different name then we should ALL worry. ;)

Mad Tony
12-09-09, 18:22
LOL! Mad Tony, you're a nice guy, but if we Americans have no problem with the speech, then why do you?:pI just said I have no problem with the finished speech, it was what was cut out which I do have a problem with.

Oh but there are many Americans who have problems with this speech, or rather, what was going to be in it. Republicans mainly. Unfortunately though the bulk of Obama supporters (not referring to you) dismiss them right away and conveniently ignore things which don't fall in line with their belief about Obama.

I'm not some raving conspiracy theorist who thinks Obama is gonna turn America into a Nazi-style fascist police state. People were saying that would happen with Bush and it never did. However, Obama's cult of personality is something I haven't seen before in a US president and it's rather odd.

Cochrane
12-09-09, 18:39
Isn't it kind of useless to have a problem with what might have been in the speech? After all, it was cut out.

Mad Tony
12-09-09, 18:41
Isn't it kind of useless to have a problem with what might have been in the speech? After all, it was cut out.Yeah, but only because people complained. My problem was that it was in the speech in the first place, doesn't matter if it was cut from it.

Legend 4ever
13-09-09, 01:53
The thing is people who complained were not really worried, they just don't like Obama and that's why it's wrong. Because the reasoning is devious.

miss.haggard
13-09-09, 02:52
I think it is ridiculous that people made such fuzz about it while the speech was actually a common sense thing. All of our parents would say the same things to us. I just can't believe that some people are so disrespectful no matter if they don't accept Obama, he is our president and the people have to at least respect him if not agree with him. Nothing was dropped from the speech by the way.

I couldve said the same thing a few years ago, couldnt I have? But that would have been baaddd, cause Bush is the devil! Right? Thats what the media told me!

/half-awake sarcasm.

Tombraiderx08
13-09-09, 04:41
Okay, so I actually listened to the entire speech, what a waste of time, like i said before, this is nothing that adults havent already told us our entire lives, slapping obama's face on it hardly makes it more official! And I personally see no agenda, maybe im being blind :confused: but i dont!

Tommy123
13-09-09, 04:43
My school isnt letting us see it. The teachers say its a waste of time

Tombraiderx08
13-09-09, 04:44
Im glad your teachers see it that way, as it really was! They are teaching you well ;)

Uzi master
13-09-09, 04:45
Yeah, but only because people complained. My problem was that it was in the speech in the first place, doesn't matter if it was cut from it.

It was cut for a reason.

EmeraldFields
13-09-09, 04:48
It was cut for a reason.

If anything was even cut in the first place.:pi:

Tombraiderx08
13-09-09, 04:52
They shoulda cut the entire speech and talked about milkshakes or something we havent already heard about! :vlol:

Apathetic
13-09-09, 04:58
they shoulda cut the entire speech and talked about milkshakes or something we havent already heard about! :vlol:

LMFAO :vlol: :D

Uzi master
13-09-09, 05:00
They shoulda cut the entire speech and talked about milkshakes or something we havent already heard about! :vlol:

Oh sure he can just explain every slang word for drugs so everyone understands it, just in case they live in good nieborhood. or perhaps how to pilot a miletary airplane?

EmeraldFields
13-09-09, 05:01
Oh sure he can just explain every slang word for drugs so everyone understands it, just in case they live in good neighborhood. or perhaps how to pilot a miletary airplane?

LOL! My school did exactly that in sixth grade and we had a quiz over the "street names" of drugs!:p

Uzi master
13-09-09, 05:10
as my brother would say, "woooooooooooooooooooooooooow!"

Tommy123
13-09-09, 05:12
They shoulda cut the entire speech and talked about milkshakes or something we havent already heard about! :vlol:

yay! but then it would make me hungry

Legend 4ever
13-09-09, 05:33
I couldve said the same thing a few years ago, couldnt I have? But that would have been baaddd, cause Bush is the devil! Right? Thats what the media told me!

/half-awake sarcasm.

No. Bush was an idiot, not the devil.

Mad Tony
13-09-09, 10:00
I couldve said the same thing a few years ago, couldnt I have? But that would have been baaddd, cause Bush is the devil! Right? Thats what the media told me!

/half-awake sarcasm.I agree. During the Bush administration it was always the right thing to do criticize him, even if he hadn't done anything wrong. I remember there was a thread on here somebody made a year or so ago where they were angry with Bush for warning Obama about the terror threat. Wtf!?

Fact is the large majority of people love Obama and anyone who dare question him is either a racist or just stupid and deluded. I was hoping this would fade with time but obviously not. He still has his cult of personality.

It was cut for a reason.Yeah, because people complained. That's what I just said...

No. Bush was an idiot, not the devil.So is Obama. He's made some of the exact same mistakes as Bush. For example, passing another "stimulus" package or just his outrageously high spending. People criticized Bush for his high government spending, and I agree with them, he did spend too much. However, nobody seems to be calling Obama out on his spending which is even worse than Bush's.

SamReeves
13-09-09, 15:25
Fact is the large majority of people love Obama and anyone who dare question him is either a racist or just stupid and deluded. I was hoping this would fade with time but obviously not. He still has his cult of personality.

Well you have to look at Obama and his past. Jerimiah Wright, and now this green jobs czar…both of whom I view as huge racists. They'd like nothing better than to toast white bread America.

So is Obama. He's made some of the exact same mistakes as Bush. For example, passing another "stimulus" package or just his outrageously high spending. People criticized Bush for his high government spending, and I agree with them, he did spend too much. However, nobody seems to be calling Obama out on his spending which is even worse than Bush's.

Indeed. Obama didn't stop the bleeding, he just made it ten times worse. 14 trillion deficit anyone?

Hermina94
13-09-09, 15:48
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v177/JDFpics/2009/Sept%2009/cole.jpg

That's actually been the general consensus in my region. :p

:vlol: :vlol: ^^

stereopathic
13-09-09, 16:17
So is Obama. He's made some of the exact same mistakes as Bush. For example, passing another "stimulus" package.

for the record, obama's stimulus package has recently been declared (by goldman sachs and others) to not only have stopped the recession, but to have caused the economy to grow by 2-3% per quarter over the last two quarters. biden put it best when he said something along the lines of, 8 months ago we were looking at the beginning of a depression, now we're looking at the end of a recession.

of course, the deficit is a problem, but that's nothing new. it's been a problem for thirty years and it'll continue to be one. jobs are an issue, but that's the last thing to correct itself in a recession. i think we'll see those numbers turning around sooner rather than later.

Mad Tony
13-09-09, 16:26
for the record, obama's stimulus package has recently been declared (by goldman sachs and others) to not only have stopped the recession, but to have caused the economy to grow by 2-3% per quarter over the last two quarters. biden put it best when he said something along the lines of, 8 months ago we were looking at the beginning of a depression, now we're looking at the end of a recession.

of course, the deficit is a problem, but that's nothing new. it's been a problem for thirty years and it'll continue to be one. jobs are an issue, but that's the last thing to correct itself in a recession. i think we'll see those numbers turning around sooner rather than later.Is that so?

http://www.tradingeconomics.com/Temp/United-States-GDP-Growth-Rate-Chart-000001.png?cc061e56-842b-4974-9181-77e7c64aeaf9

http://www.tradingeconomics.com/Temp/United-States-GDP-Growth-Rate-Chart-000001.png?cc061e56-842b-4974-9181-77e7c64aeaf9
As you can see, the US economy is still shrinking. I don't know where you got the idea that it had grown over the last two quarters :confused:

stereopathic
13-09-09, 16:34
Is that so?

http://www.tradingeconomics.com/Temp/United-States-GDP-Growth-Rate-Chart-000001.png?cc061e56-842b-4974-9181-77e7c64aeaf9

[IMG]http://www.tradingeconomics.com/Temp/United-States-GDP-Growth-Rate-Chart-000001.png?cc061e56-842b-4974-9181-77e7c64aeaf9[/IMG
As you can see, the US economy is still shrinking. I don't know where you got the idea that it had grown over the last two quarters :confused:

here's an article about it, Tony. :)
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB125185379218478087.html
basically goldman sachs’ chief US economist said that stimulus spending was boosting the economy.

Many forecasters say stimulus spending is adding two to three percentage points to economic growth in the second and third quarters, when measured at an annual rate. The impact in the second quarter, calculated by analyzing how the extra funds flowing into the economy boost consumption, investment and spending, helped slow the rate of decline and will lay the groundwork for positive growth in the third quarter — something that seemed almost implausible just a few months ago.

Ward Dragon
13-09-09, 16:36
here's an article about it, Tony. :)
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB125185379218478087.html
basically goldman sachs’ chief US economist said that stimulus spending was boosting the economy.

That doesn't say the economy grew by 2-3%. That says the economy still got worse, but it was 2-3% less worse than they thought it would be.

stereopathic
13-09-09, 16:39
That doesn't say the economy grew by 2-3%. That says the economy still got worse, but it was 2-3% less worse than they thought it would be.

it actually does say 2-3 points of growth.

Ward Dragon
13-09-09, 16:40
it actually does say 2-3 points of growth.

Measured at an annual rate. The rate of decline is slowing down, but the growth isn't positive yet. So basically, it's not deteriorating as rapidly as it was before and maybe it will start growing soon.

stereopathic
13-09-09, 16:49
Measured at an annual rate. The rate of decline is slowing down, but the growth isn't positive yet. So basically, it's not deteriorating as rapidly as it was before and maybe it will start growing soon.

i dunno, Ward. the article seems a lot more optimistic than you seem to think. and talks about actual growth, not just the potential for it.

The U.S. economy is beginning to show signs of improvement, with many economists asserting the worst is past and data pointing to stronger-than-expected growth. On Tuesday, data showed manufacturing grew in August for the first time in more than a year. "There's a method to the madness. We're getting out of this," said Brian Bethune, chief U.S. financial economist at IHS Global Insight.

it also says that only a small percentage of the stimulus money has trickled in so far, that the real peak is later this year or early next. i'm pretty confident in feeling like things are getting better.

miss.haggard
13-09-09, 16:51
I agree. During the Bush administration it was always the right thing to do criticize him, even if he hadn't done anything wrong. I remember there was a thread on here somebody made a year or so ago where they were angry with Bush for warning Obama about the terror threat. Wtf!?

Fact is the large majority of people love Obama and anyone who dare question him is either a racist or just stupid and deluded. I was hoping this would fade with time but obviously not. He still has his cult of personality.

Yeah, because people complained. That's what I just said...

So is Obama. He's made some of the exact same mistakes as Bush. For example, passing another "stimulus" package or just his outrageously high spending. People criticized Bush for his high government spending, and I agree with them, he did spend too much. However, nobody seems to be calling Obama out on his spending which is even worse than Bush's.


In bold - exactly, for some reason it was the cool thing to do to hate our president, when we should have either been supporting him, OR giving CONSTRUCTIVE criticism. Underlined - EXACTLY. Say one thing about Obama and someone always pulls the race card. I thought that now since we have a black president, racism was supposed to magically disappear.... /sarcasm.

Ward Dragon
13-09-09, 16:53
i dunno, Ward. the article seems a lot more optimistic than you seem to think. and talks about actual growth, not just the potential for it.



it also says that only a small percentage of the stimulus money has trickled in so far, that the real peak is later this year or early next. i'm pretty confident in feeling like things are getting better.

I was commenting mostly on this line: "The impact in the second quarter, calculated by analyzing how the extra funds flowing into the economy boost consumption, investment and spending, helped slow the rate of decline and will lay the groundwork for positive growth in the third quarter." That says to me it's still declining and hasn't shown positive growth yet, else why would they say it's only laying the groundwork for positive growth later?

Tommy123
13-09-09, 16:54
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v177/JDFpics/2009/Sept%2009/cole.jpg

That's actually been the general consensus in my region. :p

That actully true lol

SamReeves
13-09-09, 16:57
*sigh*

The dim bulb gets dimmer in America…

*exits thread*

stereopathic
13-09-09, 17:10
why would they say it's only laying the groundwork for positive growth later?

i think because we're still in the third quarter so maybe the numbers aren't final for it yet? that would be my guess. however, that an extremely conservative institution has declared that the economy is growing because of the stimulus package is a good sign for everyone in our country. you're certainly right to be wary and see how this plays out, but this article did a lot for my confidence in the economy, and the stimulus package for that matter.

Mad Tony
13-09-09, 17:11
That actully true lolShame, because it's actually not.

@stereopathic. Capitalist economies follow boom-bust cycles. The signs of recovery many countries in the world are seeing are not a result of these "stimulus" packages" but rather part of the natural economic cycle. Obama's just taking credit for something which fixes itself on its own anyway.

stereopathic
13-09-09, 17:14
@stereopathic. Capitalist economies follow boom-bust cycles. The signs of recovery many countries in the world are seeing are not a result of these "stimulus" packages" but rather part of the natural economic cycle. Obama's just taking credit for something which fixes itself on its own anyway.

i suppose you can interpret it any way you'd like but obama didn't say this, goldman sachs did. when the administration has said the stimulus was working, i was as skeptical as you for the reasons you mentioned. however, this is an independent firm saying that it's the stimulus that's at work here. that's why i feel it's significant and worth mentioning.

Ward Dragon
13-09-09, 17:27
i suppose you can interpret it any way you'd like but obama didn't say this, goldman sachs did. when the administration has said the stimulus was working, i was as skeptical as you for the reasons you mentioned. however, this is an independent firm saying that it's the stimulus that's at work here. that's why i feel it's significant and worth mentioning.

Didn't Goldman Sachs receive $10 billion in stimulus money? I don't really see them as independent here because they're not really going to admit it if they shouldn't have gotten that money :p

stereopathic
13-09-09, 18:10
Didn't Goldman Sachs receive $10 billion in stimulus money? I don't really see them as independent here because they're not really going to admit it if they shouldn't have gotten that money :p

haha! excellent point, Ward. :D