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hola guys, I always wondered about that part in Midas Palace, it's just a furstrating puzzle, how on earth would someone solve it without a guid or a walkthrough? what were they thinking when they made it? discuss!
They were probably thinking: let's make them explore and take note of their surroundings to figure out the answer to the puzzle - which is precisely what people had to do!
It was fantastic. I remember finding the levers, the locked doors, and wondering what the symbols over them could be. I loved that. I wish the series still made you do things like that, too.
They thought - "Let's make them think and explore, feel the mystery and tension; not simply monkey jump and change outfits" :mis:
That what makes Tomb Raider the best game ever man.
it took me a while since i solved this puzzle wondering how to open these doors, but when i did it i felt like i achieved something.
i miss those days a lot... really.
Sequence for each is written on each door, just write down all of them, work out which means up and which means down and you have it. I spent ages there anyway trying to move something else to get a medipack, never worked though at least on the PC. Core were obviously thinking we should check the room out for clues and apply some thought to the matter, loved it even if I could not get that wretched medipack.
I figured it out within 2 minutes. 5 Symbols above each door, only 2 different kinds of Symbols, 5 levers that remain in the position you switch them to, and only two positions to leave them in.
I thought it was really obvious.
They were probably thinking: let's make them explore and take note of their surroundings to figure out the answer to the puzzle - which is precisely what people had to do!
It was fantastic. I remember finding the levers, the locked doors, and wondering what the symbols over them could be. I loved that. I wish the series still made you do things like that, too.I know. How sublime was it to find that strange gated area leading up steps to 5 large levers, and no clues! Not a single camera swivel panning over to the top of the rooms, no Zippo in your ear saying, "use your rad Lara over at the doors, " etc, etc. No galloping music banging in the background, just deathly silence as you climbed and jumped around a large hallway, finding your own way by observing your environment and making connections with your brain.
The early games were of a completely different ilk from what we get now. Only on the surface does TR-now resemble TR-then.
I too was stuck on this level for months. I thought I did something wrong and started the game from the beginning. worked my way to this level and got stuck at the same spot again. Finally I had to check out a walk through to continue. Like you all said - that was the good ole days! Boy I miss them!
The Great Chi
07-10-09, 17:13
Or you can go through the full permutations of 5 x 5 x 5 x 5 (I think :p ),
It will only take you 10 days to do that :hea:
Mind you doing it that way, you always find it does not work till you reach the last permutation :D
Sequence for each is written on each door, just write down all of them, work out which means up and which means down and you have it. I spent ages there anyway trying to move something else to get a medipack, never worked though at least on the PC. Core were obviously thinking we should check the room out for clues and apply some thought to the matter, loved it even if I could not get that wretched medipack.
I figured it out within 2 minutes. 5 Symbols above each door, only 2 different kinds of Symbols, 5 levers that remain in the position you switch them to, and only two positions to leave them in.
I thought it was really obvious.
thats the kind of answers I was looking too, I was just wondering about the machinism of this puzzle, cause it seemed so frustrating to me :p
Sgt BOMBULOUS
07-10-09, 17:44
Or you can go through the full permutations of 5 x 5 x 5 x 5 (I think :p ),
It will only take you 10 days to do that :hea:
Mind you doing it that way, you always find it does not work till you reach the last permutation :D
Actually it would be 2^5 = 32. Each switch has two positions, each subsequent switch would be another multiple of 2.
JDSmith260792
07-10-09, 17:44
hola guys, I always wondered about that part in Midas Palace, it's just a furstrating puzzle, how on earth would someone solve it without a guid or a walkthrough? what were they thinking when they made it? discuss!
I was thinking that!!!! Thank god for walkthroughs LOL :p
rr_carroll
07-10-09, 22:23
Actually it would be 2^5 = 32. Each switch has two positions, each subsequent switch would be another multiple of 2.
Thanks, Sgt B. Appropriate, since you just made your 2^8th post!
I was thinking that!!!! Thank god for walkthroughs LOL :p
On that note, I should point out the the TRC walkthrough has an incorrect description for the last combination: it has the correct Greek letters (ΥΩΩΩΥ), but the English should be Down - Up - Up - Up - Down.
^ AFAIK Justin has corrected that... :confused:
Hmmm... Not yet. OK.
I don't see what's frustrating about the puzzle - it's a perfectly logical puzzle, since the clues are right there above the doors. There have been puzzles in the Classics which rely on luck rather than logic to solve them, but this certainly isn't one of them.
Actually it would be 2^5 = 32. Each switch has two positions, each subsequent switch would be another multiple of 2.
32 + 1 empty :) Anyway, I tried all of them.
rr_carroll
09-10-09, 11:54
I assume the "empty" refers to the starting situation, with all of the levers up. This is one of the 32 possibilities, so there is no additional "empty" setting.
You have to see the symbols above the door before you can figure out the puzzle. I did not and it was one of those great duh moments. I felt real dumb once I figured it out. But that's the beauty of Tomb Raider.
nontheless, Midas Palace is one of the most amazing levels in TR1, it's long, challenging and give you a feel of satisfaction after finshing it :jmp: although I wish I solved the puzzle without it using a walkthrough :(
Tomb Raider Master
14-10-09, 19:44
Trial and error? Not the first time in TR.
That is why Palace Midas is in the top3 levels in whole serial... And because you gotta turn into gold that bars before put them... And because the best piece of music in game industry when you enter the Midas room...And because the gate you can`t open in the garden opposite of secret( which has never been done something like that again)... And because that last bar when you travel upside down all the level and collect it on the roof... No other game has this kind of emotion.
PS. same puzzle we got in TR4 Underneath the Spinx... Even harder i think
I brute forced my way into the rooms. Tryed all diferent combinations. :D
By brother, who was like 9 yo at the time, played after me, and when I asked him how did he opened the doors, I just answered as if it was the most normal thing in the world "they have the codes over them"
I was like wtf :p
Alex Shepherd
20-10-09, 01:53
hola guys, I always wondered about that part in Midas Palace, it's just a furstrating puzzle, how on earth would someone solve it without a guid or a walkthrough? what were they thinking when they made it? discuss!
This took me a while for solving this puzzle actually, my online friend told me that I don't have to switch them all, so I just got an idea of how to open them, then I tried several times about switching them in different ways and that took me really the whole time to open these doors, after that I beat it and finished it and everything, I then came up to play that game again, and forgot how did I open them, anyway, when I was very close to one of the doors, I finally saw that X O O X O painted above :vlol: I just finally discovered that everything had been explained... And it comes very easy to me for the second play time.
Raider Man
I was stumped the first time i tried this level as i tried all 5 levers down as i was little only 8 years old and i didn't use logic. But even if you don't know the combination you could simply try all the combinations one by one even though it'd be a waste of time.
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