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Catracoth
30-11-09, 01:38
I made this thread to gather opinions from you fine forum folk on what you think should be the age where someone may start consuming alcohol legally and driving legally, but please do not think I'm asking the age when you can drink and drive simultaneously, like the thread title suggests. I was having a deep conversation with a dear friend of mine on the telephone a moment ago and this topic was brought up.

Where I'm from - now note I'm not speaking for the entire United States, just Massachusetts - teenagers aren't the best of drivers. Hell, my school parking lot is Hell on Earth. I don't think teens should drive until they're eighteen years old. The rule here is that you may get a learner's permit at sixteen years of age where you may only drive with a parent or guardian (during daylight hours, I believe). Six months following that, you may take a road test for your Junior Operator's License, upon completing Driver's Education (which can be taken at any time before going for your JOL). Then, at eighteen, you may earn your legitimate driver's license.

Teens here are terrible drivers at sixteen years old. Some are terrible at eighteen too. They care more about looking cool than being safe, and that is not appropriate. I won't go into detail since I could rant on forever, but you catch my drift.

Here, you may not drink legally until twenty-one years of age. This I agree with entirely and have no issues with.

So here's to hoping we can have a good, clean, on-topic discussion. I'm making this thread with good intentions, hoping to get the answer I'm asking. But be warned, the minute this thread gets out of line, I'm requesting that it be locked immediately. We don't need another insult/spam thread going around.

kthnxbai
30-11-09, 01:45
Well, I live in Ireland and the driving age is 17 (well for cars it is anyway)

I've had my license since I was 17 and I think it's somewhat unfair that young drivers are usually assumed to be bad drivers...

Although, I don't think it's particularly common for people to have cars at 17 here... I mean, I'm 19 now and I'm still the only one out of my friends who drives..

As for drinking, it's 18 here... And tbh, I think it's inevitable that teenagers will drink... I never actually drank underage, and I'm still not a big drinker... But most people here tend to drink from much younger than 18, and tbh I think it'd make more sense to lower the age to something more like what it is on continental Europe...

If the drinking age had been any lower when I was younger, I still wouldn't've drank... And anyone who wants to drink under 18 will do it regardless of the law...

larafan25
30-11-09, 01:46
16 years of age is when it may begone with another person doing the driving.

however for the person drunk and driving I would say 18:)

Catracoth
30-11-09, 01:47
That's something I failed to mention in the original post - it's true, teenagers will drink illegally anyway, so it makes you wonder why they even have the law in the first place. I know a few people who drive illegally as well, but they suck at driving, so they'll get pulled over eventually.

kthnxbai
30-11-09, 01:50
Driving underage is a LOT harder to pull off than drinking...

I've technically been driving since I was about 12, but that's not on roads, and because my dad is a mechanic and I'd help him out during the summer so I had to be able to move cars...

larafan25
30-11-09, 01:54
I think younger drivers(people who are just learning or finished school(driving school) are better because as you get older and have been driving for longer you start to take shortcuts for certain things and start to not do things properly because you find different ways to do thins and get habbits and such:)

kthnxbai
30-11-09, 01:56
Well see, you've driving school...

All you have to do here is pass a theory test to get a permit and you're allowed loose on the roads...

Granted, you're legally not meant to be in the car without a fully lisenced driver, but it's very easy to get away with...

Once you pass a driving test you get your full license and are allowed drive by yourself...


So you can pretty much be out on the road here with no idea how to actually drive... but I suppose that's the system here as opposed to the drivers..

Catracoth
30-11-09, 01:58
I already went to driving school and I don't have my permit yet. I went for the test but failed, because my instructor didn't tell me that I had to read the book on my own time - I thought what we covered in class was in the book. Evidently, not. What a waste of $30.

larafan25
30-11-09, 01:59
^wow:p

here you need to take lessons and then wait a couple months and then take the in-car lessons, then take your test and wait for your license and then you can drive:p

Paperdoll
30-11-09, 02:05
I think younger drivers(people who are just learning or finished school(driving school) are better because as you get older and have been driving for longer you start to take shortcuts for certain things and start to not do things properly because you find different ways to do thins and get habbits and such:)

This. You get way too confident as you have more driving time under your belt...

Anyway here the legal age is 18, although you have to pay a hefty ammount to a driving school in order to take lessons and the test. In some places, it ends up being well over 500€

As far as the drinking age... I gotta say I'm not sure what it is :X I was a good girl XD never had alcohol underage, as in 18 but I honestly can't remember atm what's the legal age for alcohol here... I think it's 18 as well, although you see way too many kids in certain clubs sometimes. It ends up looking like freaking daycare.

Edit: apparently it's 16, which I find appaling. Although some folks are trying to get it raised to 18, don't know if that's been changed yet.

Paddy
30-11-09, 02:11
I think Australia should have it raised to 21, too many irresponsible people when they can drink at 18.
Just my 2 cents anyway.

Catracoth
30-11-09, 02:19
Good Lord, Paperdoll, the legal drinking age in Portugal is sixteen? Heavens!

Paddy
30-11-09, 02:21
I think its 25 in some places.

Paperdoll
30-11-09, 02:21
I know right? They're working alot on rising it but, considering how many more kids start drinking early nowadays... appalling.

Catracoth
30-11-09, 02:21
I know right? They're working alot on rising it but, considering how many more kids start drinking early nowadays... appalling.

Appalling indeed! I sincerely hope it gets raised soon. That's just screaming for trouble.

Librarian
30-11-09, 02:36
Well, here you can get a learner/s permit at 16, which you have to have for at least one year during which you have to log at least 100 hours driving time. Then you have three years on a provisional license, and after that you finally have a full, open license. People are still crappy drivers but no matter what rules you put in place, careless drivers are a part of life.

As for drinking, it's 18 here and I think it should stay that way. As it's already been pointed out, those who want to drink will do so regardless of the law, and in my opinion if you're old enough to choose who runs your country and how, and old enough to join the military and go to war, you are old enough to have a beer.

Ikas90
30-11-09, 03:35
I'd say there shouldn't be an age limit; just a limit on maturity.

But sadly, we can't determine by maturity, so we have no choice but to determine by age.

I started driving at 16, and I'm still alive.

I don't drink often. Only on special occasions. Probably not even three times a year.

Paddy
30-11-09, 03:36
I'd say there shouldn't be an age limit; just a limit on maturity.

But sadly, we can't determine by maturity, so we have no choice but to determine by age.

I started driving at 16, and I'm still alive.

I don't drink often. Only on special occasions. Probably not even three times a year.

How do you do that though?
Itd be great for the responsible drinkers but theres a bunch who spoils for everyone else.

Ikas90
30-11-09, 03:43
How do you do that though?

Obviously you can't, as I stated in my second line. :p

Lara's Nemesis
30-11-09, 04:24
You can legally drink in the privacy of your own home from age 5 upwards in the UK. :yik:

EmeraldFields
30-11-09, 04:31
In the US...

Drinking age is 21

In the state of Nebraska, you can drive at 16 but you have driving restrictions such as: can't use a cell phone while driving, can only have one non-family passenger, and can only drive from, I think, 4 am to 11 pm.

If you're under 18, your license looks like this:
http://i49.************/2m3nuye.jpg

and over 21:
http://i48.************/2q8n02c.jpg

Cochrane
30-11-09, 07:55
In Germany, you cannot get a full driver's license before you are eighteen, although recently it has become allowed to get one at 17, although then a pre-designated person with a valid full driver's license (which I think has to be older than five years and some such restrictions) has to be in the car at all times.

That seems like a good idea to me. Especially compared to the US, I do get the impression that our roads are somewhat more scary: In general, they are nowhere near as wide, and you can drive a lot faster on them. But maybe we are just more paranoid. :D

The legal drinking age varies according to several factors, but I think anything that has not been distilled is available from age 16 and everything else from age 18.

This is somehow more problematic. I don't really see why a well-behaving 16 year old teen should not be allowed a glass of wine every now and then, but alcohol abuse is a serious problem here as well. Frankly, though, I don't think a higher age will actually solve that problem directly.

Icarus60
30-11-09, 08:02
I don't people should drink and drive at any age.

Cochrane
30-11-09, 08:18
I don't people should drink and drive at any age.

Not at the same time, yes. But this is about the separate ages for both.

Paddy
30-11-09, 08:29
Not at the same time, yes. But this is about the separate ages for both.

I loled though at the fact it was a good smartass response :D
Something I wouldve said.

EscondeR
30-11-09, 09:14
Considering situation nowadays I'd say that ideal way would have been to judge in every case differentially. One can be responsible at the age of 16, another can't at almost 30. But this is the ideal way, unfortunately impossible to apply in practice. Therefore 18 seems reasonable to me. Though IMO one should pass not only driving test and prove to be psychologically stable, but also pass an IQ limit test... With all those idiotic situations I see on our roads every day :rolleyes:

I think Australia should have it raised to 21, too many irresponsible people when they can drink at 18.
Just my 2 cents anyway.
Exactly. So should Russia... and enforce it actually, not on damned paper.


however for the person drunk and driving I would say 18:)
I sincerely hope you don't mean people driving while being drunk :p

Trigger_happy
30-11-09, 09:32
They keep threatening to raise the UK drinking age to 21, which is a joke: you could get married, drive, join the army all by 20, but you couldn't buy 1 beer!? That thoughts a joke.

And it annoys me that teens are all assumed to be crap drivers: its rich people in big cars that should be banned.

Paddy
30-11-09, 09:40
Not all teens are bad drivers but a fair amount on the road actually are.
The lack of driving experience often comes into play, especially with drink driving.

xXhayleyroxXx
30-11-09, 10:49
im happy with the guidelines in england:

alcohol - 16 legally in restaurants, 18 to buy drink

driving - 17

:)

lita212
30-11-09, 11:23
no one should drink and drive. the limit is 2 pints but imo there should be a limit of 0 pints n drink. if your driving you need to be responsible. if you want to drink its simple dont drive. any person who isnt retarded should already know that.

Mad Tony
30-11-09, 11:29
They keep threatening to raise the UK drinking age to 21, which is a joke: you could get married, drive, join the army all by 20, but you couldn't buy 1 beer!? That thoughts a joke.

And it annoys me that teens are all assumed to be crap drivers: its rich people in big cars that should be banned.That makes no sense.

Personally I think the driving age should be 18 and the drinking age should be 21.

rowanlim
30-11-09, 11:37
I think the age to start drinking & driving (not simultaneously) is 18. The problem is kids are inexperienced, they don't drive safely, they do stunts/speed & end up in the morgue. Same goes with drinking, it becomes an addiction & they can't control themselves.

Cochrane
30-11-09, 11:47
That makes no sense.

You never got chased of the left (or in your case right) lane by an angry asshole in an Audi, BMW or Mercedes?

Mad Tony
30-11-09, 11:49
You never got chased of the left (or in your case right) lane by an angry asshole in an Audi, BMW or Mercedes?Well I don't drive, but when I've been in the car with other people I've seen plenty of bad drivers driving a huge variety of different cars - rich and cheap.

Cochrane
30-11-09, 11:56
Well I don't drive, but when I've been in the car with other people I've seen plenty of bad drivers driving a huge variety of different cars - rich and cheap.

That is true, but psychologically, those drivers are certainly among the most annoying on long-distance drives.

Unless they try to chase me away in an Audi Q7. That's just hilarious. Yeah, big engine and can probably eat my car, but still, it just looks hilarious when it appears in my rear view mirror. But that may be besides the point.

Ada the Mental
30-11-09, 12:33
As for drinking, it's 18 here and I think it should stay that way. As it's already been pointed out, those who want to drink will do so regardless of the law, and in my opinion if you're old enough to choose who runs your country and how, and old enough to join the military and go to war, you are old enough to have a beer.
This. Honestly, 21 is too much. If you're legally considered an adult you should be able to drink whatever you want (responsibly).
The drinking age limit used to be 17 here, but now it's been raised to 18 and that's the way it should be, IMO.
Same with driving.

peeves
30-11-09, 13:11
This. Honestly, 21 is too much. If you're legally considered an adult you should be able to drink whatever you want (responsibly).
The drinking age limit used to be 17 here, but now it's been raised to 18 and that's the way it should be, IMO.
Same with driving.

I even think 21 is too high for drinking age it's 21 in my place too. I think it should be 19 or 20.

Paddy
30-11-09, 13:13
Should raise it to 25. waits for it

peeves
30-11-09, 13:15
Should raise it to 25. waits for it

I don't think so :pi:

Paddy
30-11-09, 13:19
Its 25 in some places, should be higher for driving too IMO lol

Cochrane
30-11-09, 13:22
Should raise it to 25. waits for it

No way. If you think legal adults can't handle it then outlaw it completely. Ages this high are unfair discrimination of those who are below it and responsible enough.

Paddy
30-11-09, 13:23
No way. If you think legal adults can't handle it then outlaw it completely. Ages this high are unfair discrimination of those who are below it and responsible enough.

Was a joke :p white text says so too.
I dont really think it should be.

Cochrane
30-11-09, 13:24
Was a joke :p white text says so too.
I dont really think it should be.

Ah, damn it, I didn't see the white text on my phone's small screen. :D

Paddy
30-11-09, 13:25
I was bored so I felt like exploiting this thread to my amusement :p

MiCkiZ88
30-11-09, 13:26
Finland

Driving age: 18
Drinking age for mild drinks: 18
Drinking age for strong drinks: 21
Smoking age: 18

Netherlands

Driving age: 18
Drinking & smoking age: 16
I am not sure about buying stronger liquors but I believe you have to be at least 18 to buy them.

You never got chased of the left (or in your case right) lane by an angry asshole in an Audi, BMW or Mercedes?Mercedes, Volvo and BMW in Finland.. you can almost predict their actions. :/

scoopy_loopy
30-11-09, 13:38
In Australia drinking/smoking/porn is 18
Sex and driving (learners permits) are 16... unless youre gay. Then it varies from state to state, between 16 and 18.


I think its fine as it is. Teenagers are going to drink alcohol when they want to reguardless. Driving laws are fine too, as far as Im concerned.

Lemmie
30-11-09, 13:46
I'm not sure what I feel about the drinking age in the UK. I certainly don't think it should be raised (as the Scottish Government tried to do to tackle teenage binge drinking in Scotland) but I feel that something needs to be done about it.

I'm not sure what the situation in continental European countries is, but I spoke to an Italian over the summer who told me that because alcohol is available to teenagers at a younger age and offered to them by their families, it isn't so much of a big deal. Therefore in Italy teenagers tend to drink less, though I am unsure about the rate of drink driving in Italy. But then Italians are crazy drivers anyway! :D

I think also there's a huge cultural thing about alcohol in the UK. It's an integral part of most people's lives, whether they admit it or not. For example, there's the whole thing about 'your first pint' when you turn 18 among boys - something of a rite of passage. But because alcohol is something that is so strictly delineated between childhood and adulthood, many teenagers see it as an adult thing to do and so in their "rebellious phase" they feel it's cool to drink, smoke, have sex and so on.

So I think therefore it's a change in our culture that is necessary, and a more honest depiction of alcohol and the problems it causes in schools. The reasons for teenage drinking, drug abuse, pregnancy and drink driving are all connected and bound up with a host of other societal factors.

For myself, I was one of the few people in school who didn't start drinking at fourteen/fifteen/sixteen. It was an okay school in a fairly wealthy neighbourhood, but for some reason their attitude to alcohol was different to mine, I'm not sure why. I first got drunk a few weeks before my eighteenth birthday, and continued to drink quite regularly throughout my first year of university (2008/09). Then during summer I got worried that I was becoming dependent on alcohol for a variety of reasons - stress, relationships and so on. So now I don't drink so much.

Anyway, I think it's more important to de-mystify alcohol than to restrict it's use further.

On driving, well, I don't drive. I just didn't feel it necessary. But a lot of my friends who are now 18/19 drive very conscientiously. Most of them are girls however, so I wonder if that makes a difference.

Cochrane
30-11-09, 13:48
Mercedes, Volvo and BMW in Finland.. you can almost predict their actions. :/

Volvos? That's interesting. Here in Germany they are mainly bought by folks not so interested in speed, and I've seen more Hyundais act that way Than Volvos.

@scoopy_loopy: What does sexual orientation have to do with driving?

scoopy_loopy
30-11-09, 13:55
Volvos? That's interesting. Here in Germany they are mainly bought by folks not so interested in speed, and I've seen more Hyundais act that way Than Volvos.

@scoopy_loopy: What does sexual orientation have to do with driving?

Oh, sorry, I was just in auto mode after reading Mixu's breaking down of legal ages to do things.


I also have to agree with your comments about Volvos, down here the drivers of Volvos are stereotypically written off as impossibly slow, bad drivers.

Dennis's Mom
30-11-09, 19:44
Hmmph! You'd think it was 48 the way the grumpy checkout lady at my grocery store demands to see my ID when I'm buying a bottle of wine. :mad:

It's 21 here in Texas. I think it's 21 everywhere in the US now. Louisiana was the last state I think where it was 18, but the feds put strings on highway money, so I think they finally raised it to 21.

Dina_Croft
30-11-09, 19:47
Here in Greece the driving and drinking age is 18 years old.But teens start drinking at the age of 16...Though we have laws about drinking,cafeterias give you anything you want to.I drink only Bacardi Breezer or Gordons Space...

There was one time I drunk like 2 shots...It was horrible:vlol:

Catracoth
30-11-09, 19:50
I don't people should drink and drive at any age.

no one should drink and drive. the limit is 2 pints but imo there should be a limit of 0 pints n drink. if your driving you need to be responsible. if you want to drink its simple dont drive. any person who isnt retarded should already know that.

I don't think people should skip out on reading the original post, especially the bolded segments :wve:.

Laralissa
30-11-09, 20:00
I think drinking and driving should both be 18. And if youre gonna have sex be legal at 16 then its only logical that porn should be legal at that age too :pi: Pretty stupid that you can do it but not watch it :p

Catracoth
30-11-09, 20:05
Honestly, what is the punishment for viewing pornography under eighteen? A night in jail? I didn't even know sex was illegal when it comes to being a teenager. So many people are doing it around me, half the girls are pregnant, I thought someone might have just released an addendum or something saying sex before eighteen was non-punishable.

Dina_Croft
30-11-09, 20:05
I think drinking and driving should both be 18. And if youre gonna have sex be legal at 16 then its only logical that porn should be legal at that age too :pi: Pretty stupid that you can do it but not watch it :p

:vlol:

Um yeah lot's of girls(more like :cen: ) start having sex at the age of 14 or 15:vlol:

Ew btw I would not do this now...Ew..So far I'm more like "I like Boys but no penises":vlol:

I don't get it why they do this at this age...They will have their whole life doing that why starting now?

Catracoth
30-11-09, 20:06
I don't get it why they do this at this age...They will have their whole life doing that why starting now?

Because people are stupid.

Honestly, I think they get bored and are plagued by humanity. Nearly everything revolves around sex these days - tweens are so exposed to it and if an opportunity presents itself, they won't hesitate. It probably makes them feel older, like drinking coffee and smoking blacks :rolleyes:.

Trigger_happy
30-11-09, 20:08
Honestly, what is the punishment for viewing pornography under eighteen? A night in jail? I didn't even know sex was illegal when it comes to being a teenager. So many people are doing it around me, half the girls are pregnant, I thought someone might have just released an addendum or something saying sex before eighteen was non-punishable.

I think that half the time, only the man can be punished, even if it was 110% consensual- under age sex is basically rape as far as the law goes.

As Lemmie said, I think lowering the drinking age might actually help. By 18, you can do loads of important things in life, like get a job, leave school, get married, get someone pregnant and join the army, but you can't even have a pint?

Reducing the age limit, but on selected drinks might help. It makes alcohol more of a normal thing and less of a rebellious one.

Catracoth
30-11-09, 20:09
By 18, you can do loads of important things in life, like get a job, leave school, get married, get someone pregnant and join the army, but you can't even have a pint?

I believe it's this way because some eighteen/nineteen year olds are still in high school.

Reducing the age limit, but on selected drinks might help. It makes alcohol more of a normal thing and less of a rebellious one.

Meh, I can't say I don't agree with this, but there are always going to be issues following this.

Dina_Croft
30-11-09, 20:11
Because people are stupid.

Honestly, I think they get bored and are plagued by humanity. Nearly everything revolves around sex these days - tweens are so exposed to it and if an opportunity presents itself, they won't hesitate. It probably makes them feel older, like drinking coffee and smoking blacks :rolleyes:.

I used to hang out with kids like that...

God they were stupid:vlol:

Now thank god I have found some reasonable friends who act like their age...Now I love being 15...

I have never smoked and never will... Every time someone tells me to just hold a pack of cigarettes I hold them like I'm holding another person's gum or something...I simply HATE them:vlol:

Catracoth
30-11-09, 20:16
Every time someone tells me to just hold a pack of cigarettes I hold them like I'm holding another person's gum or something...I simply HATE them:vlol:

Well that's good. I can't tell you how many times I've held a friend's pack of cigarettes or a lit cigarette and either a friend or family member just happened by and saw us :rolleyes:. Needless to say, they and my mother clucked like hens and I had an earful when I got home, only to say after three hours of being lectured, "I was holding it for my friend while she got something out of her purse."

Love2Raid
30-11-09, 20:16
In the Netherlands it's drinking at the age of 16 (most kids usually start at 14 or something and can get away with it easily) and driving at the age of 18.

I think it makes perfect sense why the age for driving should be higher (or as high but not < 18).

There is much more responsibilty involved with driving (not just for yourself but also others), which requires a certain level of maturity.
Control is easier, both from the government as self-control. I don't know a lot of people who would drive without a license but I do know lots of people who started drinking before 16.


I know some will say, what difference will those two years make? But they do make a big difference. Turning 18 is not just getting another year older. Your life changes, you go to college, start living on your own etc. You become a much more responsible person because of these changes, and therefore it's safe to say one can be called mature and ready to 'hit the road' at 18.

Lara's home
30-11-09, 20:17
Driving: 18
Alcohol: 18
Licker(sp?): 20, I think. Or 21.

Your_Envy*
30-11-09, 20:17
Slovenia:

Driving: 16 (adult person must be with you in your car), 18
Drinking: 18

Dina_Croft
30-11-09, 20:19
Well that's good. I can't tell you how many times I've held a friend's pack of cigarettes or a lit cigarette and either a friend or family member just happened by and saw us :rolleyes:. Needless to say, they and my mother clucked like hens and I had an earful when I got home, only to say after three hours of being lectured, "I was holding it for my friend while she got something out of her purse."

Yeah It just breaks my nerves...

But the worst part is that you the non smoker have more possibilities to get cancer than your friends who smoke:hea:

Your_Envy*
30-11-09, 20:24
Yeah It just breaks my nerves...

But the worst part is that you the non smoker have more possibilities to get cancer than your friends who smoke:hea:

Don't say it. My lungs are probably more black and I don't smoke. :pi: I have a lot of friends who smoke and oh dear, that smell on your clothes.. YUCK!

Trigger_happy
30-11-09, 20:27
Both my parents smoked, so they can't really lecture me. I don't smoke properly though- just socially. Which doesn't really make it any better, but yeah. Whoops.

Uzi master
30-11-09, 22:48
well when ypur (and my) parents started smoking they didn't really have any education on it like "WARNING: can cause lung cancer!" now your excuse seems to be your parents do it or you only do it with friends which is no excuse cause you knew what it can do

anyway, I think it should be illegal to drink and drive at all.

Fdx Croft
30-11-09, 22:52
Here in Argentina you must be 18 years old to drive and to be able to buy alcoholic drinks...

But when talking about the 2nd thing, it's not a rule followed by everyone...

tombraiderluka
30-11-09, 23:00
In Serbia you have to be 18 to drive and 18 to drink. :)

Catracoth
30-11-09, 23:33
Well now that I've been educated on the drinking and driving ages across the lands, let's go ahead with the main point of the thread and discuss whether or not you agree on your location's laws on when you may drink legally and drive legally as well.

tombraiderluka
30-11-09, 23:35
Well now that I've been educated on the drinking and driving ages across the lands, let's go ahead with the main point of the thread and discuss whether or not you agree on your location's laws on when you may drink legally and drive legally as well.
I agree. We now have this law where you have to be with another experienced driver over 18 for five years once u get your licence. It'll keep those teenagers from drunk driving and killing themselves, so I'm all for that :tmb: