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wantafanta
05-12-09, 17:04
I got this pic in my email from American Airlines.

Finally - somebody who gets it! At this time of year it's very difficult to notice that not everybody celebrates Christmas. Yes, it's true. There are Jews, Muslims, Hindus and more. The United States has always welcomed diversity. Indeed, it has been our strength. Taking the best from all corners of the globe to weld a strong nation.

Not only did American Airlines show some sensitivity to us and its inclusive client base, it was good business sense. A dollar is a dollar, no matter where it comes from. So hurray to you, American Airlines, from another loyal frequent flyer. And Happy Holidays to the rest of you.


http://img109.imageshack.us/img109/6022/happyholidays.jpg

knightgames
05-12-09, 17:30
Christmas as a religous celebration will be dead in five years anyway. Commercialism has dug the trenches of destruction around it long ago. Not that Dec 25th has anything to do with the birth of Christ anyway.



Sooooooooooooooooooooooooo. What were your wishes, Wanta Fanta? And if one is a trip to Fiji, do you need help carrying the bags? :D

Mad Tony
05-12-09, 21:53
I don't understand, what is it you're praising American Airlines for doing? :confused:

toxicraider
05-12-09, 22:27
I don't understand, what is it you're praising American Airlines for doing?
Unless I'm mistaken, they have wished 'Happy Holidays' to everyone, as opposed to 'Merry Christmas', because that way they are also including other festivals. (Hannukah, Al-Hijira etc.)
It's basically their way of being inclusive, without having to send 5 or so different emails with essentially the same message, and it's a pretty obvious solution.

irjudd
05-12-09, 22:30
Supergreen :)

Mad Tony
05-12-09, 22:45
Unless I'm mistaken, they have wished 'Happy Holidays' to everyone, as opposed to 'Merry Christmas', because that way they are also including other festivals. (Hannukah, Al-Hijira etc.)
It's basically their way of being inclusive, without having to send 5 or so different emails with essentially the same message, and it's a pretty obvious solution.Ah, so they're being politically correct so as not to "offend" anybody. Shame :( I bet the ACLU love this, considering how much they hate Christmas.

Mr.Burns
05-12-09, 22:49
I can't speak for the aclu MT but I doubt they hate Xmas. They are just excessively gung ho about equal rights and treatment for all. AA did this simply to avoid a lawsuit. That's all. Being PC is the only way to prevent them and even then, it's not enough. :(

scion05
05-12-09, 22:53
Ah, so they're being politically correct so as not to "offend" anybody. Shame :( I bet the ACLU love this, considering how much they hate Christmas.

Oh now come on Ben, Christmas has no meaning nowadays anyway to be honest, do you actually go to church on Christmas day ?

I sure as hell don't.

Mad Tony
05-12-09, 23:01
Oh now come on Ben, Christmas has no meaning nowadays anyway to be honest, do you actually go to church on Christmas day ?

I sure as hell don't.Of course it has meaning. People exaggerate when it comes to the commercialization of Christmas. Sure, Christmas is pretty commercialized but not as much as people make it out to be.

Even so, don't you think it's sad when companies and organizations have to say "warm holiday wishes" instead of "happy Christmas" so they don't get in trouble?

I can't speak for the aclu MT but I doubt they hate Xmas. They are just excessively gung ho about equal rights and treatment for all. AA did this simply to avoid a lawsuit. That's all. Being PC is the only way to prevent them and even then, it's not enough. :(I swear they hate Christianity specifically, kind of like the Labour party here.

Mr.Burns
05-12-09, 23:04
Of course it has meaning. People exaggerate when it comes to the commercialization of Christmas. Sure, Christmas is pretty commercialized but not as much as people make it out to be.

Even so, don't you think it's sad when companies and organizations have to say "warm holiday wishes" instead of "happy Christmas" so they don't get in trouble?

I swear they hate Christianity specifically, kind of like the Labour party here.

I'm borrowing from the milk ads here:

Got proof? :)

Mad Tony
05-12-09, 23:05
I'm borrowing from the milk ads here:

Got proof? :)Uh, got proof of what? Be specific. :p

scion05
05-12-09, 23:05
Not particularly, I don't believe they'd get in trouble or they'd get frowned upon. I know a muslim guy who LOVES christmas, and the Sikh shop across the way has really gone all out with it's decorations. I think they'd be just fine to say Christmas.

I just don't know anyone know who takes Christmas as a religious holiday anymore, it's just an excuse for giving gifts, drinking and relaxing. And I'm fine with that. It's just a winter holiday to me :)

Mad Tony
05-12-09, 23:08
Not particularly, I don't believe they'd get in trouble or they'd get frowned upon. I know a muslim guy who LOVES christmas, and the Sikh shop across the way has really gone all out with it's decorations. I think they'd be just fine to say Christmas.

I just don't know anyone know who takes Christmas as a religious holiday anymore, it's just an excuse for giving gifts, drinking and relaxing. And I'm fine with that. It's just a winter holiday to me :)Oh no, it's not normally people from other faiths who get offended - it's the "PC Brigade" - the people who seem to think minorities get offended at everything when in actual fact it's them.

I mean, if I went to a Muslim country I wouldn't get offended by companies celebrating Ramadan or whatever, it's their culture, and I expect most of them don't get offended by companies celebrating Christmas here as it's our culture.

toxicraider
05-12-09, 23:33
I think it's ok for people to want companies to be a bit more multi-cultural, or secular (an all or nothing kind of thing) but Christmas is an event which is now not about religion so much, so I don't see much of a problem with only wishing Christmas greetings, and 'you can't please all the people...'

I don't think it's about people feeling like Christmas is shoved in their faces though; it's just that Christianity is given so much more attention than other religions (and for obvious reasons, really). In the UK (especially London), Chinese New Year is fairly big, and many people (like myself) who don't follow chinese culture still receive the occasional red envelope and generally enjoy the occasion.

Mad Tony
05-12-09, 23:38
I don't think it's about people feeling like Christmas is shoved in their faces, just that Christianity is given so much more attention than other religionsWell that's because it's a lot bigger here than in all the other religions.

TRhalloween
05-12-09, 23:49
Of course it has meaning. People exaggerate when it comes to the commercialization of Christmas. Sure, Christmas is pretty commercialized but not as much as people make it out to be.

Even so, don't you think it's sad when companies and organizations have to say "warm holiday wishes" instead of "happy Christmas" so they don't get in trouble?



What if the buyer doesn't celebrate Christmas?

tombraiderluka
05-12-09, 23:50
Nice of them to say it like that, America is a multi-national country and therefore Christmas is not the only and official religion. :tmb:

Mad Tony
05-12-09, 23:57
What if the buyer doesn't celebrate Christmas?Oh well, it's not the end of the world. Most people who don't celebrate Christmas don't get offended by that anyway. The ones that do are just silly and are obviously looking for something to moan about.

TRhalloween
06-12-09, 00:02
Oh well, it's not the end of the world. Most people who don't celebrate Christmas don't get offended by that anyway. The ones that do are just silly and are obviously looking for something to moan about.

But why would they specifically say "Merry Christmas" and ignore all the other holidays? To someone who doesn't celebrate Christmas "Merry Christmas" would just be a complete empty message.

Mad Tony
06-12-09, 00:04
But why would they specifically say "Merry Christmas" and ignore all the other holidays? To someone who doesn't celebrate Christmas "Merry Christmas" would just be a complete empty message.Because most people in America (and Britain) do celebrate Christmas.

Death Mask
06-12-09, 00:09
lol I just realized something, that phrase of "Diversity is our strength" is so self-contradictory, diverse means different, funny how the politically correct say that everyone's "equal", yet they come up with such self-contradictory phrase, which technically would mean that we're all different and that unity is a weakness.

Anyway, AA sucks big time, the first and only time I flew with them they were 3 hours late, the seats were very uncomfortable, the TV didn't work and I had to sit all the way in the back of the plane right next to the lovely smelling bathrooms, I had to ask for a bag just in case I couldn't keep myself from throwing up.

MattTR
06-12-09, 00:10
So they're American Airlines afterall. :ton:

I've flown with them before, them and United, but I remember them being a good experience.

I'm traveling in a few weeks and I'm using Delta so we'll so how that goes.. :whi:

EmeraldFields
06-12-09, 00:15
Delta Air Lines all the way!:D

MattTR
06-12-09, 01:04
Delta Air Lines all the way!:D

That sure is reassuring to hear. :)

EmeraldFields
06-12-09, 01:07
That sure is reassuring to hear. :)

I've flown with them on several occasions and have never had a problem. One time I got sick on the airplane and the flight attendant came to ask me how I was and if I needed anything everything half hour or so.:)

tombraiderluka
06-12-09, 01:07
Because most people in America (and Britain) do celebrate Christmas.
To mee it seems like you're saying that no other cultures are welcome there then?

Catracoth
06-12-09, 01:07
I just think it's hilarious how people think Christmas is the only holiday of it's time because it's the most popular. Hello?! Have you not heard of Christmahanakwanzika? Which, interestingly enough, if you Google, you get a picture of Ezio Auditore.

MattTR
06-12-09, 01:08
I've flown with them on several occasions and have never had a problem. One time I got sick on the airplane and the flight attendant came to ask me how I was and if I needed anything everything half hour or so.:)

Wow, really? That's surprising because people seem to want to avoid you if you're sick now days.. :rolleyes:

I don't blame them and all, but still.

Mad Tony
06-12-09, 01:10
To mee it seems like you're saying that no other cultures are welcome there then?Well that's a very odd thing to say, considering I mentioned nothing of the sort. I hate that kind of response. If you don't believe companies should not refer to Christmas simply to avoid "offending" people you must be prejudice towards other cultures. No.

I just hate political correctness. America is mostly a Christian country. Why the hell shouldn't companies refer to Christmas? I wouldn't expect a Muslim or a Hindu country to make a big deal out of Christmas. After all, Christianity is not as big in those kinds of countries so naturally it wouldn't take center stage like it does in the west.

Catracoth
06-12-09, 01:11
To mee it seems like you're saying that no other cultures are welcome there then?

I highly doubt that's what MT was implying. It's just that Christmas is the most popular of them all.

remote91
06-12-09, 01:12
Big whoop wanna fight about it?

Mad Tony
06-12-09, 01:13
I highly doubt that's what MT was implying. It's just that Christmas is the most popular of them all.Exactly. I never said other cultures aren't welcome, I just don't think our culture (I'm saying our because this happens in Britain too) should be pushed aside so as not to "offend" people.

Catracoth
06-12-09, 01:14
Exactly. I never said other cultures aren't welcome, I just don't think our culture (I'm saying our because this happens in Britain too) should be pushed aside so as not to "offend" people.

I agree completely. I think the proper way to go about doing things like this is to just say Happy Holidays. Leave "Merry/Happy Christmas" for the personal wishes, whereas you can't offend someone if you know what they follow.

tombraiderluka
06-12-09, 01:14
Well that's a very odd thing to say, considering I mentioned nothing of the sort. I hate that kind of response. If you don't believe companies should not refer to Christmas simply to avoid "offending" people you must be prejudice towards other cultures. No.

I just hate political correctness. America is mostly a Christian country. Why the hell shouldn't companies refer to Christmas? I wouldn't expect a Muslim or a Hindu country to make a big deal out of Christmas. After all, Christianity is not as big in those kinds of countries so naturally it wouldn't take center stage like it does in the west.
I don't understand why would there be Merry Christmas message when clearly, a lot of Americans either don't celebrate it or their faith tells them not to celebrate it. So your post there seemed like you said majority celebrates it, screw the others.

Catracoth
06-12-09, 01:15
So your post there seemed like you said majority celebrates it, screw the others.

Actually, I didn't sense that from his post at all. If you ask me, not meaning to go off topic here, I think you deliberately said that to make him look bad. It isn't the first time you've done it.

tombraiderluka
06-12-09, 01:17
Actually, I didn't sense that from his post at all. If you ask me, not meaning to go off topic here, I think you deliberately said that to make him look bad. It isn't the first time you've done it.
To me it seemed like that so that's why I posted that response, I know Ben from a lot earlier and I certainly don't want to make him look bad :)

TRhalloween
06-12-09, 01:17
I agree completely. I think the proper way to go about doing things like this is to just say Happy Holidays. Leave "Merry/Happy Christmas" for the personal wishes, whereas you can't offend someone if you know what they follow.

How can you agree then say the exact opposite of his argument? :p

Mad Tony
06-12-09, 01:18
I don't understand why would there be Merry Christmas message when clearly, a lot of Americans either don't celebrate it or their faith tells them not to celebrate it. So your post there seemed like you said majority celebrates it, screw the others.The large majority of them do celebrate Christmas though.

Did I say screw everyone else? No.

tombraiderluka
06-12-09, 01:19
The large majority of them do celebrate Christmas though.

Did I say screw everyone else? No.
Ok, Ben it seemed to me like you were trying to say that I'm not trying to pick a fight like mr. Catracoth suggested :)

Catracoth
06-12-09, 01:19
How can you agree then say the exact opposite of his argument? :p

Because I can have two opinions on the same subject...?

tombraiderluka
06-12-09, 01:21
The large majority of them do celebrate Christmas though.

Did I say screw everyone else? No.
Anyway my first response was a bit off, saying you suggested other cultures were not welcome, but my second response should clear it up ;)

Mad Tony
06-12-09, 01:21
Ok, Ben it seemed to me like you were trying to say that I'm not trying to pick a fight like mr. Catracoth suggested :)How though? Really, where did I say anything of the sort? I think Catacroth is right, I think you're just trying to make me look bad by putting words into my mouth that were never there. =/

tombraiderluka
06-12-09, 01:22
How though? Really, where did I say anything of the sort? I think Catacroth is right, I think you're just trying to make me look bad by putting words into my mouth that were never there. =/
This post made me think that http://www.tombraiderforums.com/showpost.php?p=4202289&postcount=20

Mad Tony
06-12-09, 01:23
This post made me think that http://www.tombraiderforums.com/showpost.php?p=4202289&postcount=20You didn't answer my question. How does pointing out the fact that most Americans celebrate Christmas equate to "screw everyone who doesn't celebrate Christmas"?

Catracoth
06-12-09, 01:24
This post made me think that http://www.tombraiderforums.com/showpost.php?p=4202289&postcount=20

It's obvious which post you're talking about; I fail to see how it implies that other beliefs were invalid.

TRhalloween
06-12-09, 01:26
Because I can have two opinions on the same subject...?

He said that "Merry Christmas" isn't an incorrect way for companies to spread wishes and you said you agreed but then you said instead of saying that they should say "Happy Holidays".

tombraiderluka
06-12-09, 01:28
You didn't answer my question. How does pointing out the fact that most Americans celebrate Christmas equate to "screw everyone who doesn't celebrate Christmas"?
Because he asked why other people who do not celebrate it should be ignored and you stated that most of americans and british celebrate it so it made me think you were just about pleasing only ppl who celebrate christmas when there's other holidays out there even if majority celebrates christmas.

Anyway, it's ok think whatever you want, I stated my opinion how it seemed to me, I didn't go and say it's like that, so there you go.

Catracoth
06-12-09, 01:29
He said that "Merry Christmas" isn't an incorrect way for companies to spread wishes and you said you agreed but then you said instead of saying that they should say "Happy Holidays".

Yes...and? I mean, yeah I agree with him that there's nothing wrong with using Merry/Happy Christmas since most people are followers of said holiday, but then again, it's somewhat improper for the more "sensitive" people who go all ape**** if their beliefs aren't given attention, so by saying Happy Holidays instead, you're reaching out to all walks of life without being "discriminatory."

Encore
06-12-09, 01:29
It gets tiresome when things become so politically correct that even a simple holiday can "offend" another culture. I'm so bored of this attitude! It's like the western christian culture is becoming paranoid. But whatever.... *shrugs*

irjudd
06-12-09, 01:30
Happy Holidays is still offensive to those that don't celebrate any of the holidays this time of year! Why don't they get it? Politically correct my ass.

Mad Tony
06-12-09, 01:31
Because he asked why other people who do not celebrate it should be ignored and you stated that most of americans and british celebrate it so it made me think you were just about pleasing only ppl who celebrate christmas when there's other holidays out there even if majority celebrates christmas.Saying merry Christmas isn't ignoring those who don't celebrate it, it's just catering to a very large majority of people.

TRhalloween
06-12-09, 01:32
Politically correct my ass.

"Buttocks".

There you go.

tombraiderluka
06-12-09, 01:32
Saying merry Christmas isn't ignoring those who don't celebrate it, it's just catering to a very large majority of people.
But saying Happy Holidays can reach out to those who celebrate Christmas and to those who celebrate other holidays, so they did a good job.

Encore
06-12-09, 01:32
Happy Holidays is still offensive to those that don't celebrate any of the holidays this time of year! Why don't they get it? Politically correct my ass.

Actually NO I don't get it. :confused: If someone said "Happy Hannukah" to me, I would simply greet them back. I wouldn't exactly slap them around like they had just called me a ***** or something. Geez.

tombraiderluka
06-12-09, 01:33
Actually NO I don't get it. :confused: If someone said "Happy Hannukah" to me, I would simply greet them back. I wouldn't exactly slap them around like they had just called me a ***** or something. Geez.
But not all people are like that :)

Catracoth
06-12-09, 01:34
It gets tiresome when things become so politically correct that even a simple holiday can "offend" another culture. I'm so bored of this attitude! It's like the western christian culture is becoming paranoid. But whatever.... *shrugs*

It's just because these big Whigs have nothing better to do, so they find something insignificant to complain about opposed to obtaining gainful employment.

Mad Tony
06-12-09, 01:36
But saying Happy Holidays can reach out to those who celebrate Christmas and to those who celebrate other holidays, so they did a good job.But why not say Christmas? Really, do you honestly think people would say "happy holidays" to you in a Muslim country at the end of Ramdan or something?

Catracoth
06-12-09, 01:38
I just find it hilarious how everything is so damn politically correct these days. People act like saying "Merry/Happy Christmas" is like calling someone a Jew in the negative connotation. Watch out, everyone! Next thing you know, you'll get a lawsuit for saying '[God] bless you' when someone sneezes opposed to saying 'gesundheit.'

tombraiderluka
06-12-09, 01:39
But why not say Christmas? Really, do you honestly think people would say "happy holidays" to you in a Muslim country at the end of Ramdan or something?
I don't know and I don't wanna get into that.

Encore
06-12-09, 01:41
Sometimes I wonder if a survey was taken how many people from the actual diferent cultures would express feeling offended by Christmas traditions.

irjudd
06-12-09, 01:42
You'd have to define 'offense' and make that a poll too, first.

ThatNorskChick
06-12-09, 01:42
Everyone's offended by everything.

Catracoth
06-12-09, 01:44
Everyone's offended by everything.

Tell me about it. Bending a straw probably offends the Greek, or something.

edit: Oh, wait, watch out! I don't want a certain someone thinking I've got something against the Greek :rolleyes:.

Mad Tony
06-12-09, 01:50
You sarcastic comments are offensive to those who get offended easily at the possibility of other people getting offended...

tombraiderluka
06-12-09, 01:53
Tell me about it. Bending a straw probably offends the Greek, or something.

edit: Oh, wait, watch out! I don't want a certain someone thinking I've got something against the Greek :rolleyes:.
I do not care enough about you to think of your posts :)

Catracoth
06-12-09, 01:59
I do not care enough about you to think of your posts :)

Lawlz, g00d 1 :) :D :p!!!1!11!

TRhalloween
06-12-09, 02:00
JERRY! JERRY! JERRY! JERRY!i

Ward Dragon
06-12-09, 02:03
I expect that companies will say whatever their market researchers told them will get them the most money. I honestly don't care if they say "Merry Christmas" or "Happy Holidays" because I know they're just doing it so I'll buy more stuff from them :pi:

(I was impressed when my car insurance people sent me a birthday card, though :whi:)

I just think it's hilarious how people think Christmas is the only holiday of it's time because it's the most popular. Hello?! Have you not heard of Christmahanakwanzika? Which, interestingly enough, if you Google, you get a picture of Ezio Auditore.

Oh wow, he does come up in that search :vlol:

Catracoth
06-12-09, 02:04
Oh wow, he does come up in that search :vlol:

Strange, right?

tombraiderluka
06-12-09, 02:05
Lawlz, g00d 1 :) :D :p!!!1!11!
Thanx :jmp: :jmp:

Catracoth
06-12-09, 02:07
Thanx :jmp: :jmp:

http://i38.************/25irhnr.jpg

Right...so, anyway, I really think the government pays people to sit there and overanalyze things just to **** off us common folk.

aurora89
06-12-09, 02:10
I'm a Christian. I don't celebrate Christmas and haven't for years-- I mostly grew up celebrating Chanukkah (newsflash: Jesus celebrated Chanukkah instead of Christmas! Check John 10:22 if you're still not convinced. ^_^). I love it when people say Happy Holidays... to me, saying Merry Christmas to people in general or people you don't know is like saying "Greetings, ladies!" to a mixed gender crowd. XD Even if it's tradition or whatever, you're still going to kind of roll your eyes even if you're not actually offended. I don't understand what's wrong about including others in your winter greetings. No, I don't get offended by people saying Merry Christmas, but the only people I know who INSIST on saying it all fall/winter long are narrow-minded losers who think I'm going to hell for celebrating Chanukkah. Their loss, I guess.

Mad Tony
06-12-09, 02:13
Jesus celebrated Chanukkah instead of Christmas!Seriously!? This is a shocking revelation indeed!

Of course Jesus didn't celebrate Christmas! :vlol: :p

TRhalloween
06-12-09, 02:14
[IMG]http://i38.************/25irhnr.jpg[/IMG



Why the GIF? both of your posts seemed quite Leighton-Meester-disapproving worthy. With all the lolspeak and stuff.

So anyway, what the hell is Kwanzaa?

Lemmie
06-12-09, 02:15
The effect of 'Happy Holidays' and 'Merry Christmas' is interchangeable for me.

I'm not surprised that a private company would say the former, as they want to appeal to the most number of people. I don't think it has anything to do with political correctness.

Encore
06-12-09, 02:16
Seriously!? This is a shocking revelation indeed!

Of course Jesus didn't celebrate Christmas! :vlol: :p

But he could celebrate his birthday..... maybe that's where this all comes from.. :vlol: :confused: :D

Catracoth
06-12-09, 02:24
Why the GIF? both of your posts seemed quite Leighton-Meester-disapproving worthy. With all the lolspeak and stuff.

Meh, I'm not going to keep going off topic.

Seriously!? This is a shocking revelation indeed!

Sweet Jesus, I'm learning tons of new things today.

Death Mask
06-12-09, 03:30
Sick, we can't even celebrate our traditional holidays anymore without someone else getting offended, and therefore we have to change our ways to cater for them. I HATE political correctness in every sense of the word, it's nothing but an evil Marxist ideology forced on our society that is destroying our freedoms.

wantafanta
06-12-09, 03:32
Exactly. I never said other cultures aren't welcome, I just don't think our culture (I'm saying our because this happens in Britain too) should be pushed aside so as not to "offend" people.

Have a Happy Hannukah, Tony.

Ward Dragon
06-12-09, 03:54
Have a Happy Hannukah, Tony.

You spelled it wrong :eek: How insensitive...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanukkah

EmeraldFields
06-12-09, 04:00
This thread brings teh lulz!:vlol:

Tommy123
06-12-09, 04:00
Sick, we can't even celebrate our traditional holidays anymore without someone else getting offended, and therefore we have to change our ways to cater for them. I HATE political correctness in every sense of the word, it's nothing but an evil Marxist ideology forced on our society that is destroying our freedoms.

i agree

Catracoth
06-12-09, 04:06
This thread brings teh lulz!:vlol:

Lmao, your post made me LOL :p

wantafanta
06-12-09, 05:17
You spelled it wrong :eek: How insensitive...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanukkah

Ha! You don't think there are spelling errors on these boards every day? I've always had trouble with that word. It's not insensitive, it's MISSPELLING! Nice try, though.

Anyways - what some are calling "political correctness" used to be called "mutual respect" and "consideration for others." What these people are saying is that they are tired or showing respect for other people's feelings. They just want to do what they want - when they feel like it. And if I don't like it, then too bad. "Political Correctness" is a right winger term used to downplay efforts at being inclusive to minorities in the workplace, on college campuses.

There is a backlash and a resentment in my country (the USA) against minorities and foreign residents. A certain segment of the majority are angry and believe that minorities are getting "special treatment" when efforts are passed to combat discrimination. When in reality, they have always had an uphill struggle, and laws are there to even the playing field. It's really almost comical that a white conservative Christian majority would feel threatened by "happy holidays" - but they do. What's to fear? I don't know.

You hear the term "political correctness" coming mostly from talk radio goons like Sean Hannity and Rush Limbaugh. I've listened to those oafish clowns, and it's very sad to know their poison has spread overseas.

aktrekker
06-12-09, 05:29
I'm old enough to know what respect for others is, back in the days when it was still practiced.
"Political correctness" is not about respect for others. It is about making everyone exactly the same, talking the same, believing the same, living the exact same culture. It dehumanizes people by forcing them to strip away everything that makes them who they are because it "might" offend someone.

News Flash! We are all different. We will all be offended by someone at sometime. It is IMPOSSIBLE to please everyone all the time.
So drop PC, suck it up and get on with your life. :ton:

EmeraldFields
06-12-09, 06:31
I'm old enough to know what respect for others is, back in the days when it was still practiced.
"Political correctness" is not about respect for others. It is about making everyone exactly the same, talking the same, believing the same, living the exact same culture. It dehumanizes people by forcing them to strip away everything that makes them who they are because it "might" offend someone.

News Flash! We are all different. We will all be offended by someone at sometime. It is IMPOSSIBLE to please everyone all the time.
So drop PC, suck it up and get on with your life. :ton:

This post is offensive. Please edit.


lol. jk.

Catracoth
06-12-09, 06:34
Ha! You don't think there are spelling errors on these boards every day? I've always had trouble with that word. It's not insensitive, it's MISSPELLING! Nice try, though.

I'm pretty sure Ward was poking fun at the whole "everything offends everyone" deal and that by misspelling it, that's another offense ;).

Forwen
06-12-09, 09:13
Christmas as a religous celebration will be dead in five years anyway. Commercialism has dug the trenches of destruction around it long ago. Not that Dec 25th has anything to do with the birth of Christ anyway.

Has it ever had? 25th of December is not even close to any estimated date of his birth that I've come across, it's just a hijacked winter solstice holiday that had been practiced by the peoples of Europe, in order to make the transiton to Christianity easier for them.

Otherwise this thread is comedy gold in parts, Mad Tony hang in there ;p

Mad Tony
06-12-09, 12:37
I'm not surprised that a private company would say the former, as they want to appeal to the most number of people. I don't think it has anything to do with political correctness.I'd say it's highly likely they chose to say "happy holidays" simply because they were worried about "offending" people. Can't blame them really. They're just having to adapt to this pathetic political correct society we live in today :(

Have a Happy Hannukah, Tony.Why thank you. I don't celebrate Hanukkah myself, but I am certainly not offended by this kind gesture of goodwill. :)

Anyways - what some are calling "political correctness" used to be called "mutual respect" and "consideration for others." What these people are saying is that they are tired or showing respect for other people's feelings. They just want to do what they want - when they feel like it. And if I don't like it, then too bad. "Political Correctness" is a right winger term used to downplay efforts at being inclusive to minorities in the workplace, on college campuses.

There is a backlash and a resentment in my country (the USA) against minorities and foreign residents. A certain segment of the majority are angry and believe that minorities are getting "special treatment" when efforts are passed to combat discrimination. When in reality, they have always had an uphill struggle, and laws are there to even the playing field. It's really almost comical that a white conservative Christian majority would feel threatened by "happy holidays" - but they do. What's to fear? I don't know.

You hear the term "political correctness" coming mostly from talk radio goons like Sean Hannity and Rush Limbaugh. I've listened to those oafish clowns, and it's very sad to know their poison has spread overseas.aktrekker pretty much hit the nail on the head with regards to politcal correctness.

Affirmative action isn't what I'd call political correctness, it's downright discrimination and criminal. It is not a law to merely "level the playing field", it is a law that actively discriminates against the majority in favor of minorities simply because of their skin color or religion, and that's just plain wrong.

Why don't proponents of this disgusting discrimination live by this famous Martin Luther King quote?

"I have a dream that my four children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character."

I know you love bashing conservatives, white people, Christians and anyone who's not from the far-left but political correctness is hardly a right-wing exclusive thing. Many people from both sides admit the fact that political correctness is now a common thing perpetuated by the government and understand the serious damages it can have.

I've never even listened to Rush Limbaugh, nor have I even heard of Sean Hannity. We have political correctness over here too you know.

Mokono
06-12-09, 12:45
But why not say Christmas? Really, do you honestly think people would say "happy holidays" to you in a Muslim country at the end of Ramdan or something?

Happens, although the answer is within your own post: Muslim country, wich actually means that the religion is merged within the state, so those who decide to live in one of those countries is subjected to the accept the way they live.

The US is a different case, i assume, because of the separation of church and state (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Separation_of_church_and_state_in_the_United_State s). However, i can't percieve Christmas over there as something religious anymore. The fact that all the American movies themed on Christmas we get to see here had, indeed, nothing to do with Jesus gives me the impression that the holiday had already being subjected to "political correctness" a long time ago by replacing the religious meaning with something called the "Christmas Spirit" that actually lies within every person and acts through the individual reason in order to re-think people's actions and try (hard) to make something "good" for somebody else.

In other words, if it has no religious connotation and it's already a strong piece of a country cultural life, then it's already "political correctness" and those who decided to reside in that country must accept the country's rules (it won't help to say that those who lived for up to 2 generations have the right to change the lifestyle parameters, because their will to upset the given rules is the ressult of the lack of assimilation they inherited from their parents).

The most ridiculous example i ever heard about this PC nonsense was when the (non assimilated) Spanish-speaking community in the US wanted to sing the Star Spangled Banner in Spanish (wich is contradictory, because they wanted to make clear their identity by singing in their language, but at the same time they were shattering the bits of identity they had left by adopting another nation's Anthen). Every single notion of PC has a limit, don't you people think?

You spelled it wrong :eek: How insensitive...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanukkah

You haven't heard our version of it (JŠnuca) wich actually sounds and looks like a Star Wars name :D.

Catracoth
06-12-09, 15:31
I still think political correctness is a bit of tosh. It's gotten so ridiculous these days, how does one even take it seriously?

Lemmie
06-12-09, 15:40
I'd say it's highly likely they chose to say "happy holidays" simply because they were worried about "offending" people. Can't blame them really. They're just having to adapt to this pathetic political correct society we live in today :(

Well, I would just say again that they want to appeal to as many people as possible. Maybe the thought that saying "Merry Christmas" would offend people did cross their minds, but I think that appealing to a wide customer base was more important.

I think it's silly to read so much into such an insignificant little message, from either perspective.

Catracoth
06-12-09, 15:41
I think it's silly to read so much into such an insignificant little message, from either perspective.

Couldn't agree more.

Encore
06-12-09, 15:46
I'm old enough to know what respect for others is, back in the days when it was still practiced.
"Political correctness" is not about respect for others. It is about making everyone exactly the same, talking the same, believing the same, living the exact same culture. It dehumanizes people by forcing them to strip away everything that makes them who they are because it "might" offend someone.

News Flash! We are all different. We will all be offended by someone at sometime. It is IMPOSSIBLE to please everyone all the time.
So drop PC, suck it up and get on with your life. :ton:

I like this post. :tmb: In excess the PC attitude actually makes things worst.

Has it ever had? 25th of December is not even close to any estimated date of his birth that I've come across, it's just a hijacked winter solstice holiday that had been practiced by the peoples of Europe, in order to make the transiton to Christianity easier for them.

Otherwise this thread is comedy gold in parts, Mad Tony hang in there ;p

Yeah this is why I think the other thread (about christmas being too commercial) is a bit silly as well. I mean Christmas was always a social thing much more than a religious one (even though everyone is free to celebrate it as either, of course). In the materialistic society we live in and accept everyday, why is it that it's suddenly so shocking to see a commercial side of Christmas? It's kind of an hypocrisy really. Personally, I celebrate christmas as a family reunion and pretty much ignore the commercial obsession.

Mad Tony
06-12-09, 17:05
Happens, although the answer is within your own post: Muslim country, wich actually means that the religion is merged within the state, so those who decide to live in one of those countries is subjected to the accept the way they live.A Muslim country technically just means a country where the large majority of people there are Muslims - and this is what I meant.

Mona Sax
06-12-09, 17:59
My personal opinion: 'happy holidays' is a reasonable term to use for a private company operating worldwide, since they address a much larger part of their customer base than if they used a term that applies to only one religion. After all, 'happy holidays' includes Christians while being impossible to interpret in any way as excluding anyone.

Am I offended by people wishing me a 'merry christmas'? Hell no! It's the same as people wishing me a 'happy hanukkah' or 'happy ramadan', or for that matter, just a nice day. Doesn't matter if I share their religion or not; it's a positive message, and therefore, I appreciate it.

What I don't apprecitate, Catracoth and tombraiderluka, are derogatory and off-topic messages.

Forwen
06-12-09, 18:03
Yeah this is why I think the other thread (about christmas being too commercial) is a bit silly as well. I mean Christmas was always a social thing much more than a religious one (even though everyone is free to celebrate it as either, of course). In the materialistic society we live in and accept everyday, why is it that it's suddenly so shocking to see a commercial side of Christmas? It's kind of an hypocrisy really. Personally, I celebrate christmas as a family reunion and pretty much ignore the commercial obsession.

To loosely refer to that, what I don't agree with, however, is singling out the modern Western society as "materialistic" in the first place. What it is is "openly materialistic", and probably much less materialistic than any other society prior to widespread literacy and the disappearance of clearly cut social classes (ie. a much higher standard of living for a majority of the society, getting rid of the need to marry in order to survive). Hell, if I recall my literature studies correctly then "marriage" had pretty much nothing to do with "love" for most of Western history, since it was a cynical social and a financial bond and further down, a duty to your family. That's an offtopic though, because honestly I have little idea what Christmas was like in the day of yore (beyond Scrooge :ton: ).

I agree in general about what respect of others is (or isn't). That I, as an atheist, should find "Merry Christmas" disrespectful is a mind-boggling notion. Sorry, I'm too secure in my identity and in my freedom.

That being said, however, as Ward Dragon said, I understand why a company would make such a move. I just don't like the phenomenon associated with such decisions.

Punaxe
06-12-09, 18:20
Happens, although the answer is within your own post: Muslim country, wich actually means that the religion is merged within the state, so those who decide to live in one of those countries is subjected to the accept the way they live.

The US is a different case, i assume, because of the separation of church and state (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Separation_of_church_and_state_in_the_United_State s). However, i can't percieve Christmas over there as something religious anymore. The fact that all the American movies themed on Christmas we get to see here had, indeed, nothing to do with Jesus gives me the impression that the holiday had already being subjected to "political correctness" a long time ago by replacing the religious meaning with something called the "Christmas Spirit" that actually lies within every person and acts through the individual reason in order to re-think people's actions and try (hard) to make something "good" for somebody else.

In other words, if it has no religious connotation and it's already a strong piece of a country cultural life, then it's already "political correctness" and those who decided to reside in that country must accept the country's rules (it won't help to say that those who lived for up to 2 generations have the right to change the lifestyle parameters, because their will to upset the given rules is the ressult of the lack of assimilation they inherited from their parents).
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I'm going to agree.
I hate some aspects of political correctness, but in the case of "Happy Holidays" instead of "Merry Christmas", I don't see anything wrong with it. Indeed I think Christmas has lost its religious connotations for most of us, if it ever had them, and the fact that it's a national holiday even though church and state are separated can be seen to mean exactly that. It's just a holiday, originating from pagan and then Christian rituals. What people do on that holiday is their choice, and if someone doesn't celebrate Christmas but rather [something else], I can see why they wouldn't want to be wished a merry Christmas.
I'm not saying it bothers me personally, although I would frown a little bit if someone'd wish me a happy Hanukkah, but "Happy Holidays" seems to be the most reasonable option in today's society, especially for those entities that are present among all parts of the society, e.g. corporations.

Encore
06-12-09, 18:23
When I personally refer to materialism I'm mostly refering to the so called "consumer society". You can't deny that modern society is based on capitalism and consumerism (I'm not too sure about this word in english, sorry..). I believe that if you understand materialism in a less "generic" sense, and see it in the economic sense (which is what I meant really) our society has it more than any previous one.