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irishhips
05-12-09, 19:36
I notice that Christmas is too commercial these last few years. It meant the celebration of the birth of Jesus. Don't get me, I still enjoying Christmas, The old music and a odd modern ones, the decoration Getting together for the family, giving and reciving present to loved one, that why prent to my famly only and one or two friends. I'm too old for Santa, but he'll be happy enough to come to my Niece and Nephew. What you guys thinks...?

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nielsen145
05-12-09, 19:37
i personal hate chrismas, because of my family:(

Quasimodo
05-12-09, 19:38
Maybe some people enjoy having an excuse to treat themselves. I don't care what reason or way someone wants to celebrate Christmas, that's their business. Who are we to judge?

Nenya awakens
05-12-09, 19:44
I like Christmas because it's a chance for me and my family together and have some fun :)

jackles
05-12-09, 19:45
Well I was reading this article earlier


Sales of religious Christmas cards are soaring as shoppers rediscover the real meaning of the season.

Church officials and retailers believe that the trend has been fuelled by the global economic downturn, which they say has encouraged people to rethink their values.

And the pattern on the high street has been mirrored by an increase in the number of people attending church.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1233277/Joy-world--religious-Christmas-card-fashion.html#ixzz0YqhxzQVv

Reggie
05-12-09, 19:50
People seem to define the start of Christmas as the point at which the Coca Cola adverts start. :(

A certain person also said to me they'd rather I spent any of the money I would have spent on the card to just get them a better present. Very disappointing.

I'm happy with whatever I get this year, I'm fed up with it all being about presents anyway. I want to focus on the family, eating good food and generally having a pleasant time.

Rai
05-12-09, 19:51
I think that as we get older Christmas does loose some of its magic. It is inevitable really that, for some it'll never be the same as when we are kids. Being with ones we love at Christmas is important to some, whether we choose to celebrate the religious side of it is individual taste.

Christmas has become more commercial especially with shops putting decorations up early and there is a certain pressure to get the best presents. As a parent I enjoyed the fun of it and luckily my son isn't too materialistic. But my son is older now and the thrill of Christmas is fading even for him.

patriots88888
05-12-09, 19:52
Maybe some people enjoy having an excuse to treat themselves. I don't care what reason or way someone wants to celebrate Christmas, that's their business. Who are we to judge?

Yup, this is how I feel as well.

I guess I'm just a true traditionalist when it comes to the holidays. Call me silly or naive all you want, but despite all the hustle and bustle I really enjoy it. :)

Carbonek_0051
05-12-09, 19:53
I guess I'm just a true traditionalist when it comes to the holidays. Call me silly or naive all you want, but despite all the hustle and bustle I really enjoy it. :)

I'm the same way, I don't think you are silly or naive.:)

TR FAN 18
05-12-09, 20:07
The thing I hate about Christmas is all the IRRITATING rubbish CD adverts that appear on TV! NO ONE wants to buy "The Priests" or "The Soldiers" albums! :hea:

Also, DFS playing that Mariah Carey song I've heard for the last 10,000 times! :mad:

Sgt BOMBULOUS
05-12-09, 20:11
It's always been commercial, the only thing that has changed are the advertisements :D. They were much cooler when I was a kid (especially the McDonalds ads with the talking cheeseburgers (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I2jnzcq2w5o&feature=related)).

Catracoth
05-12-09, 20:14
Honestly, I think of Christmas as a time of festive decorations and getting together with your family. Presents are just bonuses. But yes, Christmas is indeed too commercial.

jackles
05-12-09, 20:21
It's always been commercial, the only thing that has changed is the advertisements :D. They were much cooler when I was a kid (especially the McDonalds ads with the talking cheeseburgers (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I2jnzcq2w5o&feature=related)).


That advert made me sad...all those cute burgers being stolen. :(



The infants do a nativity play here ...and virtually the whole school and their families attend our christingle service (and for some this is their only time they attend church) this includes all religions and helps the children to see something else rather than just the commercial thing.


Christingle (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christingle)

January_Snow*
05-12-09, 20:24
In my oppinion catholic and protestant christmas is to commercialised and ends up being a tribute to Santa Claus...
In Ortodox church we have a few traditions that we celbrate Christmas with, for example in every corner in the house we put straw, to simbolise the place where Jesus was born, the whole family gathers for christmas lunch, and just spend the day together, and on Christmas Eve we all go to the church, and everyone brings an oak branch, all the oak branches are put together and then burned, I dont know why, I think thats just a slavic tradition...
All the things you guys do on christmas (the gifts and the tree) we do it for New Year....

Dont get me wrong, Im not bashing anyones way of life, or anyones belfes so please dont attack, thats just my oppinion...

Mystery-King
05-12-09, 20:29
I used to love christmas, but as I get older I want more expensive stuff and Kids usually want to outdo their mates and get the most expensive present, btu I can't do that. I want a wii / ds but I don't dare ask tbh. I feel very grateful for whatever I get. It just annoys me that Christmas is a christian festival but EVERYONE celebrates it. 99% just to get presents. But I always go to church christmas day so I never forget the real meaning.

Dennis's Mom
05-12-09, 21:06
I'm just tired of how loooonngg the season is now. I've seen Christmas stuff up before Halloween! Stuff up before Thanksgiving is standard.

Christmas has a season for a reason. Stores need to stop shoving down my throat before the I've bought the turkey for Thanksgiving, you know? By the time Thanksgiving's over, I'm already bored with Christmas. :confused:

irjudd
05-12-09, 21:09
Well der that's the point of it. It's a massive spike in the retail industry. Well at least on the surface that's the point.

maniakatosheto
05-12-09, 21:10
I loved christmas till last year. from this one i don't like it too much. not cause of the gifts. the atmosphere can't be the same with my dad not around.

Uzi master
05-12-09, 21:26
well if christmas wasn't commercial I wouldn't like it, why? we'll most people should know by now:p

MiCkiZ88
05-12-09, 22:24
I actually like the busy season. I agree it is too much about the presents, but the meaning behind it is what I love about christmas. Gathering around the christmas tree with your loved ones and just enjoying the day. In Finland religion still does pay a part, but it is very hard to see unfortunately, especially since people want to call it the holiday season instead of an religious one. But what does it matter, people are free to celebrate it the way they want it and that is what matters the most. Learn to ignore things that annoy you and just spend the christmas or any other festive holiday the way you want it to be spent! :)

TRhalloween
05-12-09, 22:43
I don't want to celebrate Jesus. Not that I don't care about my faith, but because that's not my faith. Saying "If you don't believe in religion, why do you celebrate?" is totally ridiculous IMO So people can only receive presents if they believe in Christianity?

I may as well be celebrating Santa Claus, after all, I can choose to honour whoever I want to.
The thing I hate about Christmas is all the IRRITATING rubbish CD adverts that appear on TV! NO ONE wants to buy "The Priests" or "The Soldiers" albums! :hea:

I know, and the same collection of Christmas songs we get every year on "Now that's what I call music.":rolleyes:

tombraiderluka
05-12-09, 22:53
Well in my country it isn't. It was and still is spending time with your family if you have one. True, some use it to advertise by lowering prices, but isn't that as a little gift for holidays? :)

MattTR
05-12-09, 23:19
Christmas is about being with your family and celebrating the birth of Christ.. but the meaning of Christmas has faded away to many and will continue to fade until it disappears completely.. :(

Squibbly
05-12-09, 23:22
Christmas is too commercial, definitely. But I don't care about all that junk, anyway. Christmas to me is just spending time with family and friends. It's a time of the year where people can stop and take a break, and be with people they love.

irjudd
05-12-09, 23:23
...It's a time of the year where people can stop and take a break, and be with people they love.

Funny, everyone that I know who celebrates it are the most stressed out and rushed and frazzled this time of year. :D

Squibbly
05-12-09, 23:24
Funny, everyone that I know who celebrates it are the most stressed out and rushed and frazzled this time of year. :D

Haha, well yes, some are for sure. Especially the people that wait until the very last minute to do anything. But since there's a week or two off work/school, it's a nice time to relax with people (for me).

takamotosan
05-12-09, 23:35
I like how commercial it is. It makes it less about Jesus and more about being with the people you care about, which I find much more important than Jesus.
Plus, you get stuff, and it stimulates the economy ;)

remote91
05-12-09, 23:42
Who cares?

As long as you have your own grasp on how you think Christmas should be celebrated then go and do it your way

Death Mask
05-12-09, 23:55
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MattTR
05-12-09, 23:56
Who cares?

As long as you have your own grasp on how you think Christmas should be celebrated then go and do it your way

Agreed 110%.

You said it! :ohn: <- I've been using that smiley a lot lately, and I love it! :vlol:

Catracoth
05-12-09, 23:58
The thing about Christmas in my life is that while it's an entirely religious holiday, I'm not religious, so the birth of Christ and all that doesn't mean anything to me. For me, it's about (like I said before) the festive season, decorations, and getting together with family, kind of like Thanksgiving, but better, and you get presents as a bonus.

irjudd
06-12-09, 00:01
The thing about Christmas in my life is that while it's an entirely religious holiday, I'm not religious, so the birth of Christ and all that doesn't mean anything to me. ...

And fortunately for you, many well respected historians and scholars agree that there is nothing to support Christ being born anywhere near the end of December. Quite to the contrary in fact, September/October is a more likely scenario.

stranger1992
06-12-09, 00:01
I hate xmas. Not the day but the build up and aftermath. Work want me in at stupid times, make me leave very late xmas eve and means im tired and annoyed xmas day.

Catracoth
06-12-09, 00:03
And fortunately for you, many well respected historians and scholars agree that there is nothing to support Christ being born anywhere near the end of December. Quite to the contrary in fact, September/October is a more likely scenario.

Good point, judd. Still, it makes me wonder why Christmas isn't on the actual date of his birth, instead of six days before the end of the year.

Encore
06-12-09, 00:03
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irjudd
06-12-09, 00:06
Good point, judd. Still, it makes me wonder why Christmas isn't on the actual date of his birth, instead of six days before the end of the year.
The easy answer is because there is nothing about any of the Christmas traditions that are "Christian". The "Christ's birth" part was just tossed in there later to make it appealing to Christians at the time.

Mad Tony
06-12-09, 00:07
Good point, judd. Still, it makes me wonder why Christmas isn't on the actual date of his birth, instead of six days before the end of the year.Is that actually a proven fact or just speculation? I've heard a lot about this but there doesn't seem to be one agreed upon date.

Catracoth
06-12-09, 00:08
The easy answer is because there is nothing about any of the Christmas traditions that are "Christian". The "Christ's birth" part was just tossed in there later to make it appealing to Christians at the time.

I see. Well, I appreciate you taking the time to enlighten me :). Always enjoyable; learning something new, that is.

Is that actually a proven fact or just speculation? I've heard a lot about this but there doesn't seem to be one agreed upon date.

I guess it's just one of those things that can't be proven solidly, like the existence of extraterrestrials.

irjudd
06-12-09, 00:12
Is that actually a proven fact or just speculation? I've heard a lot about this but there doesn't seem to be one agreed upon date.
While there's definitely no record of his exact birth date, we can be absolutely sure it wasn't in the end of December. For one thing, Luke recorded that "shepherds were living out of doors" minding their flocks at the time of his birth. Bethlehem is subject to cold rains and snow during the winter, and flocks were wintered under cover and shepherds would not have been living out of doors.

Additionally, Joseph and Mary went to Bethlehem because Caesar Agustus had ordered a census. It is highly unlikely that Caesar would have commanded a people who were resentful of Roman rule to travel to their ancestral cities in the dead of winter.

Squibbly
06-12-09, 00:15
^ Wow, you're very well educated on this. That's really quite interesting!

Catracoth
06-12-09, 00:16
^ Wow, you're very well educated on this. That's really quite interesting!

Most definitely. I learn a lot from that one :p.

oocladableeblah
06-12-09, 01:05
I actually like the time before Christmas than the actual day. I mean yeah I like the day, but I just like the feeling of Christmas spirit in the air. I do feel it is gone overboard for heavens sake they freaking have Christmas decorations in November in the stores sometimes even in late October.

Melonie Tomb Raider
06-12-09, 01:08
I celebrate Christmas for its intended purpose, but I don't care how other people celebrate it. My beef is that the word "Christmas" isn't allowed to be uttered anymore on tv or in stores. That's what disgusts me.

patriots88888
06-12-09, 01:38
And fortunately for you, many well respected historians and scholars agree that there is nothing to support Christ being born anywhere near the end of December. Quite to the contrary in fact, September/October is a more likely scenario.

Actually I had heard that it was in late March, but really I don't care one way or another. It seems like there's so much fuss about the trivial details when all that really matters and what is important to me is the fact that there was/is a celebration.

Like I have said, to each their own. Celebrate or don't celebrate. Either way, it doesn't affect or change how I choose to.

Catracoth
06-12-09, 01:47
I celebrate Christmas for its intended purpose, but I don't care how other people celebrate it. My beef is that the word "Christmas" isn't allowed to be uttered anymore on tv or in stores. That's what disgusts me.

Precisely.

LightningRider
06-12-09, 02:05
For me, even as much as a Catholic I am, I don't think it was entirely about Jesus to begin with. I celebrate it for my Family, we have struggled and have now found peace on the day, much like Jesus, Mary and Joseph. :)

SamReeves
06-12-09, 02:48
I stuffed a donation into the Salvation Army red kettle today, started some shopping for my family, and the tree's up. I'm all ready for it!

Andyroo
06-12-09, 04:03
Hold your presents near, the Grinch is here! :D

I hate christmas. :mad:

I don't see the point, really. It just seems that it's a time where everyone goes around pretending to be happy and nice to everyone, because it's 'christmas'.

I think half of the people who celebrate christmas, only enjoy it because they are told that they should, by tv and everyone else.

I used to like christmas when I was around 15 because my uncle and grandparents would come over to my house every year, and it was fun. Funnest time in my life out in the backyard on christmas day playing cricket with my uncle.
But now I don't have any grandparents or other relatives and my uncle lives in Queensland so it's just my family here on christmas, and it sucks.

What was a religious 'thing', has turned into the norm for everyone, to run around giving people presents with forced smiles on their faces. I don't believe on god or christ, so I ain't gonna partake in celebrations for a religion.

And then when idiots say to me 'merry christmas', I look like the jerk for replying 'yeah whatever'.

scoopy_loopy
06-12-09, 08:25
Eugh. Christmas is only meant to be about JESUS if youre CHRISTIAN!

Why cant Christmas simply be about giving? Who cares if its commercialised? (And I work in retail, I know all about it)

ShadyCroft
06-12-09, 08:39
^ not really ! I'm a Christian and for me Christmas is a time where you just have to let go of whats on your hands and go join your family and friends and have merry times.

We've stopped doing the presents thing like years ago, and I honestly don't care about that. The presents were never the thing that made me love Christmas, it was the joy I sensed from my surroundings. I always looked forward to the gatherings we had with relatives.

We live like an hour away from my aunts, uncles and cousins and my parents don't like leaving the house that much and are not always up for visiting them. I never felt that close to my relatives. I mean to say that the way my cousins are like with them is not the same way I am with them. I'm always the goodie goodie formal cousin...and that's where Christmas and the holidays come in.

There's just no excuse for my parents to not feel up for going to our relatives. I always cherish these times. :D

Chocola teapot
06-12-09, 08:53
Thats the whole point now... Sadly. :(

voltz
06-12-09, 09:47
My beef is that the word "Christmas" isn't allowed to be uttered anymore on tv or in stores. That's what disgusts me.

My beef is the people who are behind this. They're not welcome! :mad:

Laralissa
06-12-09, 09:51
Christmas is too commercial

I thought everyone knew that :p Its been that way for years and years now, nobody seems to bother about the religious significance of it, me included. I still love Christmas to bits, just the whole jolly feel of it, but it hasnt been celebrated the way it was supposed to be for ages now.

Legend 4ever
06-12-09, 09:53
Last few years?! WTF? It's been the same for the last twenty years that I know, and probably even more.

voltz
06-12-09, 10:04
oh it's been a hell of a lot longer then that.

lara c. fan
06-12-09, 10:12
People seem to define the start of Christmas as the point at which the Coca Cola adverts start. :(



They do, don't they... :(
I agree, Christmas is becoming more commercial. However, that's not all bad.

Dennis's Mom
06-12-09, 13:21
I don't want to celebrate Jesus. Not that I don't care about my faith, but because that's not my faith. Saying "If you don't believe in religion, why do you celebrate?" is totally ridiculous IMO So people can only receive presents if they believe in Christianity?

I may as well be celebrating Santa Claus, after all, I can choose to honour whoever I want to.


I know, and the same collection of Christmas songs we get every year on "Now that's what I call music.":rolleyes:

I have no problem with people celebrating just the secular aspect of Christmas, because in the end, it's still about love, family and being kind to others. And food and parties. Who can't get behind that?

Yeah, the big push to sell you stuff is on, but when are people NOT trying to sell you stuff you don't need? Christmas is still a great time to reconnect with old friends and family, to remember there's still lots of good out there to be happy about.

jackles
06-12-09, 13:32
The easy answer is because there is nothing about any of the Christmas traditions that are "Christian". The "Christ's birth" part was just tossed in there later to make it appealing to Christians at the time.

yes I know its wiki but it is interesting! (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winter_solstice)


The linking of Christmas to the period around the winter solstice suggests that it was chosen as the theme of rebirth was used around then. Many of the things we do at this time look back to a pagan.....or victorian beginning. Like the Romans who tended to link their gods to local ones when they conqured an area there is strong sugestion that early christian convertors did a similar thing.

Admles
06-12-09, 13:45
Christmas is about family for me (and me spoiling them too hehe ), and thats it.

This year it is even more so, as I wasn't around last Xmas

Greenkey2
06-12-09, 14:11
Has the Christian celebration of Christmas become too commercialised and detracted from its roots? Yes.

And fortunately for you, many well respected historians and scholars agree that there is nothing to support Christ being born anywhere near the end of December. Quite to the contrary in fact, September/October is a more likely scenario.

The easy answer is because there is nothing about any of the Christmas traditions that are "Christian". The "Christ's birth" part was just tossed in there later to make it appealing to Christians at the time.

Is that actually a proven fact or just speculation? I've heard a lot about this but there doesn't seem to be one agreed upon date.

yes I know its wiki but it is interesting! (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winter_solstice)
The linking of Christmas to the period around the winter solstice suggests that it was chosen as the theme of rebirth was used around then. Many of the things we do at this time look back to a pagan.....or victorian beginning. Like the Romans who tended to link their gods to local ones when they conqured an area there is strong sugestion that early christian convertors did a similar thing.

Exactly. The winter solstise is a prime time for new gods to be born/reborn. Jesus shares this time of year with Mithras and Sol, to name but two dieties.

I'm pagan, so this is a very special time that marks the new year. We celebrate Yule, which happens to fall at around the same time as Christmas.

Yule includes:
*decorations - mostly of evergreens and candles, plus a Yule log to put the candles in.

*food - goose and pork (boar meat) are the major feast foods, as well as a Yule log (the chocolate counterpart to the real thing)

*family - everyone over for a good feasting :D
*welcoming back the sun! The God is born again, woo hoo! :jmp: From now on the nights get shorter and the days get longer - definitely reason to celebrate IMO :D

Archetype
06-12-09, 14:16
What sickens me the most is that The local shopping centre has been advertising things for christmas since September. For them it's not about what christmas really is, or the values it holds but rather how much money they can bleed from our wallets.

Greed :/

Andyroo
06-12-09, 14:20
My beef is that the word "Christmas" isn't allowed to be uttered anymore on tv or in stores. That's what disgusts me.

Serious? That's weird. What country is this in?

patriots88888
06-12-09, 14:26
I have no problem with people celebrating just the secular aspect of Christmas, because in the end, it's still about love, family and being kind to others. And food and parties. Who can't get behind that?

Yeah, the big push to sell you stuff is on, but when are people NOT trying to sell you stuff you don't need? Christmas is still a great time to reconnect with old friends and family, to remember there's still lots of good out there to be happy about.

Well said and I agree. :) However, if this forum is any kind of indicator, most wont see it that way. The overall mood these days appears to be anything but happy. And I'm not only talking about the holiday season.

x2crazyidiot
06-12-09, 15:21
People seem to define the start of Christmas as the point at which the Coca Cola adverts start. :(

I'm one of those people :p I guess you got that idea from all those Facebook groups about it? haha

I LOVE the Coca Cola advert, and I think it really does represent the Christmas season, it's just got that lovely warmth and nostalgia from my childhood :D

Christmas to me isn't about Jesus, it isn't about presents. It's just about having one whole day where my whole family get together and enjoy each other's company :)

Legend 4ever
06-12-09, 16:18
I celebrate Christmas for its intended purpose, but I don't care how other people celebrate it. My beef is that the word "Christmas" isn't allowed to be uttered anymore on tv or in stores. That's what disgusts me.

Well, you know, that's because not everyone celebrates Christmas. We have a diversity of religions and nations in this country and it would be somewhat offensive to call it only Christmas, so holidays is more appropriate.

Noodleboy
06-12-09, 16:20
Whatever, Christ wasn't even born at christmas..
I love coming together with family, when I get a present, I'm not complaining.

Gabi
06-12-09, 17:04
Well, you know, that's because not everyone celebrates Christmas. We have a diversity of religions and nations in this country and it would be somewhat offensive to call it only Christmas, so holidays is more appropriate.
Actually, I disagree.
Regardless of whether others have a different religion and/or celebrate it or not, it is still called Christmas, just as Hanukkah, Eid and Diwali (to name just a few) are called just that.
By your logic they would need to be renamed "holidays" as well, instead of being called by their "proper" name in case someone with a different religion might take offense.
And I might be wrong, but so far I have not heard of such a thing happening.

Changeling
06-12-09, 18:10
Personally I do believe that Christmas is far too 'commercial', but then again, I also believe that Christmas is a modern form of the Pagan holiday of Yule which religion has twisted into its own holiday... :whi:

x2crazyidiot
06-12-09, 18:16
Well, you know, that's because not everyone celebrates Christmas. We have a diversity of religions and nations in this country and it would be somewhat offensive to call it only Christmas, so holidays is more appropriate.

Actually, I disagree.
Regardless of whether others have a different religion and/or celebrate it or not, it is still called Christmas, just as Hanukkah, Eid and Diwali (to name just a few) are called just that.
By your logic they would need to be renamed "holidays" as well, instead of being called by their "proper" name in case someone with a different religion might take offense.
And I might be wrong, but so far I have not heard of such a thing happening.


I completely agree with Gabi, political correctness is just getting ridiculous in this country (UK). Personally I think it's kind of racist of the government to presume that people will be offended by Christmas, it's thinking with a racist mind. And as Gabi said, if Christmas should be renamed, what about other religions' holidays? It's not a one way street, and if it is then that's racism in itself

Tommy123
06-12-09, 18:21
What sickens me the most is that The local shopping centre has been advertising things for christmas since September. For them it's not about what christmas really is, or the values it holds but rather how much money they can bleed from our wallets.

Greed :/

i agree, the stores in my town have been advertising chirstmas for like almost five months already

trlestew
06-12-09, 18:45
we dont celebrate christmas anymore. But im not gonna get into that topic.

To the OP that holiday is [I]way[\I] too commercial. I'm sick of those cheesy fake adverts from varios companies advertising their useless crap with snow and songs everywhere :mad: