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Los Angeles
23-12-09, 17:36
And I'm not only talking about the american one...

So when did it happen? Was there a santa clause in the middle ages? :confused:

Mystery-King
23-12-09, 17:38
And I'm not only talking about the american one...

So when did it happen? Was there a santa clause in the middle ages? :confused:

No. It was a guy in turkey. See there were these 3 girls who were threatened of being shipped away for slaves I think or something unless their father paid for them to stay but he was poor. So for three nights, St Nick would go onto the guys roof and drop a bag of gold down the chimmney which the father was able to use to stop his daughters! (Or something along these lines!)

lara c. fan
23-12-09, 17:38
And I'm not only talking about the american one...

So when did it happen? Was there a santa clause in the middle ages? :confused:

Saint Nick. Google him.
The current Santa was pretty much made by Coca-Cola :)

nightwishgirl84
23-12-09, 17:40
I think the concept was stolen from Saint Nicolas aka Sinterklaas.

irjudd
23-12-09, 17:56
Some claim that a saintly bishop of Myre by the name of Nicholas was the first "St. Nicholas", and through the Middle Ages was considered a patron saint of pawnshops and beggars.

TRhalloween
23-12-09, 18:00
The current Santa was pretty much made by Coca-Cola :)

He wasn't. That was just an urban legend.

lara c. fan
23-12-09, 18:01
He wasn't. That was just an urban legend.

OK, the clothes

Wana b like Lara
23-12-09, 18:05
Aparently in Russia he was blue in America he was green and Coca Cola made him red ... Damn Cola left a HUGE mark on the world ... evil conspiracy .. :pi:

Nitro Typhoon
23-12-09, 18:07
OK, the clothes
This:

He wasn't. That was just an urban legend.

TRhalloween
23-12-09, 18:08
OK, the clothes

Not the clothes either :p Coca cola didn't influence him at all.

lara c. fan
23-12-09, 18:08
Not the clothes either :p Coca cola didn't influence him at all.

I swear they did....

Dark Lugia 2
23-12-09, 18:09
Yeah, as far as I'm aware Santa is based on a someone named St. Nicholas from the story in the 3rd post. Santa was green until Coca Cola did adverts with Santa in red clothes to match the drink and it kinda stuck. Whether the Coca Cola part a myth or not I dunno :p

EDIT: Wikipedia says Red-clothes Santa was created by Thomas Nast (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Nast)

Romantics Inc.
23-12-09, 18:15
LOL! Saint Nick....Im not even religious...

Lara Croft!
23-12-09, 18:16
Aparently in Russia he was blue in America he was green and Coca Cola made him red ... Damn Cola left a HUGE mark on the world ... evil conspiracy .. :pi:

Yup, that's what I know. There are some saints in several countries that resemble him, therefore we cannot be sure from where he is originated. His current image is Coca Cola advertising idea. Pretty shocking, huh?

Coca Cola must have used the ideas of the famous caricaturist Thomas Nast.


You can always check wikipedia... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santa_Claus

Tony9595
23-12-09, 18:21
He came out of this smiley --> :D
He even copied the clothes from it.

Mad Tony
23-12-09, 18:24
Coca Cola are the greatest company in the world. Whenever I think of a Christmas brand I think of them :hug: :D

Encore
23-12-09, 18:47
Hmm, if I see a Santa dressed in blue, gold, green, etc., I think it's Santa all the same. Coca Cola failed. :p

Mad Tony
23-12-09, 18:50
Hmm, if I see a Santa dressed in blue, gold, green, etc., I think it's Santa all the same. Coca Cola failed. :pYeah but Santa dressed in a color other than red just looks weird. :p

Los Angeles
23-12-09, 19:11
That's why Russia created Santa's girlfriend which wears blue, so the idea of a "BLUE" santa doesn't get forgotten...

TRhalloween
23-12-09, 19:11
I'd really like to see proof that Santa Claus is red because of Coke.

Encore
23-12-09, 19:12
I'd really like to see proof that Santa Claus is red because of Coke.

Well, wikipedia says the ads just made the red version more popular than the others. Which is perfectly logical.

TRhalloween
23-12-09, 19:14
Well, wikipedia says the ads just made the red version more popular than the others. Which is perfectly logical.

Snopes says it's false.

Rai
23-12-09, 19:27
Snopes says it's false.

The red suite comes from Victorian times - before Coke had even been invented. ;) http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/british/ten_ages_gallery_07.shtml. (http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/british/ten_ages_gallery_07.shtml)

Also on Father Christmas (UK): http://www.woodlands-junior.kent.sch.uk/customs/Xmas/santa.html


(http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/british/ten_ages_gallery_07.shtml)

jackles
23-12-09, 20:13
Ah rai beat me to it!


Google Victorian Father Christmas there are loads of images of him wearing red.




Father Christmas history site (http://www.arthuriana.co.uk/xmas/) says that the English one has different origins than the American one. I shall have to read it properly now.

mind
23-12-09, 20:25
I dont care about this guy. His turn was on sixth december in this country. Jesus puts presents underneath the christmas tree here what concludes into the perfect idea for a topic: who puts presents underneath the christmas tree in your country?

MiCkiZ88
23-12-09, 20:51
Ironic that I was just searching information to prove some wise ass wrong. The name Santa Claus originates from both Sinterklaas (Dutch) and Saint Nicholas, who is also the patron saint of two cities, Amsterdam and Moscow.

Saint Nicholas was known for his generosity for giving gifts to the poor.

And Coca Cola wasnt the first soft drink brand to use Santa in their advertisement, but they are partly to blame for the red and white colours.

ZapTheLadyBird
23-12-09, 23:30
Santa = A stalker... :whi:

Red because Coca Cola made him so...

tombraiderluka
23-12-09, 23:32
I believe he's from the north pole

Jedd Fletcher
24-12-09, 02:27
The modern name "Santa Claus" is generally agreed to be from the Dutch Sinter Klaass. Read that in a Horrible Histories Christmas book.

voltz
24-12-09, 02:41
I don't believe in santa, but Saint Nicolas was the real person. That's all I see in it. If we ever did the same thing 200-300 years from now to Elvis or Micheal Jackson, I would say this be quite unsettling....

Bongo Fury
24-12-09, 04:33
I don't believe in santa, but Saint Nicolas was the real person. That's all I see in it. If we ever did the same thing 200-300 years from now to Elvis or Micheal Jackson, I would say this be quite unsettling....

Santa is already played out. I say we replace Santa with Elvis already.

take down the foil from his hotel retreat
and bring back the king for the man in the street!

voltz
24-12-09, 04:46
Santa is already played out. I say we replace Santa with Elvis already.

take down the foil from his hotel retreat
and bring back the king for the man in the street!

no no no, the king is dead. I say we hail the new king. Nobody rules with a better quote then this...

"Good? Bad? I'm the guy with the gun!"

Bongo Fury
24-12-09, 04:59
no no no, the king is dead. I say we hail the new king. Nobody rules with a better quote then this...

"Good? Bad? I'm the guy with the gun!"
well maybe..But Elvis has the golden Cadillac to deliver the presents and the kiddies can all leave peanut butter and banana sandwich treats for the king. Even if he's dead - he's a pretty good fit for the role.

Shark_Blade
24-12-09, 05:16
Love Sleigh (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hsnat7Wv--A)

If I'm good I'll get my gift,
I wanna take a ride with ol' Saint Nick

Hes' got a big sleigh, got a big sleigh
Goin my way
And I must say
It's a big, big sleigh
Santa's love sleigh

I don't believe in santa, but Saint Nicolas was the real personI think so too.

patriots88888
24-12-09, 07:51
Now I have a machine gun! HO-HO-HO!

jaywalker
24-12-09, 07:58
The Santa `Clause` is the contract he renews every millenia to keep doing the job ;) or if u watch terrible movies a film with a fat guy pretending to be santa contemplating invoking the escape clause in his contract ;)

Merry xmas everyone :)

LightningRider
24-12-09, 09:29
Love Sleigh (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hsnat7Wv--A)

If I'm good I'll get my gift,
I wanna take a ride with ol' Saint Nick

Hes' got a big sleigh, got a big sleigh
Goin my way
And I must say
It's a big, big sleigh
Santa's love sleigh

I think so too.

Y'see, I agree with this. :D

Night Crawler
24-12-09, 09:39
Jesus puts presents underneath the christmas tree here what concludes into the perfect idea for a topic: who puts presents underneath the christmas tree in your country?Parents.

Lara Croft!
24-12-09, 17:16
The red suite comes from Victorian times - before Coke had even been invented. ;) http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/british/ten_ages_gallery_07.shtml. (http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/british/ten_ages_gallery_07.shtml)

Also on Father Christmas (UK): http://www.woodlands-junior.kent.sch.uk/customs/Xmas/santa.html


(http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/british/ten_ages_gallery_07.shtml)



The red suit may had existed back then, but Santa is known worldwide as we know him today because of Coca Cola and its adds and not because of pictures in encyclopedias about the Victorian times.

So I think that it's like the Olympic Games. "Invented" by Greeks but revived in the modern world by the French. Same with Santa.

Dustie
24-12-09, 17:41
The red suit may had existed back then, but Santa is known worldwide as we know him today because of Coca Cola and its adds and not because of pictures in encyclopedias about the Victorian times.

So I think that it's like the Olympic Games. "Invented" by Greeks but revived in the modern world by the French. Same with Santa.
Sounds a bit like you're downplaying the importance of the origins in both cases. Why quotation marks? The Olympic Games were indeed invented by Greeks, not just "invented".
As for Santa, Coca Cola's ad campaign was a very key factor to why we take Santa's most popular depiction for granted, but there were depictions of him in red clothes long before The Coca Cola Company used Haddon Sundblom's images. He turned to past interpretations and incarnations of Santa for inspirations.

I don't believe in santa, but Saint Nicolas was the real person. That's all I see in it. If we ever did the same thing 200-300 years from now to Elvis or Micheal Jackson, I would say this be quite unsettling....
Lol. "I don't believe in Michael Jackson." FTW