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Isabella
17-10-03, 23:03
It’s one thing to perform magic tricks to fool people, but Siegfried & Roy have fooled people for years into believing that they breed white tigers for the sake of conservation, when in fact white tigers are not endangered—they’re not even considered a species. White tigers are simply an aberrant color variation of Bengal tigers. Recessive genes produce white fur, chocolate stripes, blue eyes, and a pink nose. White tigers appear occasionally in the wild but are at a distinct disadvantage because they lack the camouflage necessary to ensure survival. All captive white tigers are inbred, which has led to serious congenital defects, including cataracts, club feet, and near-crippling hip dysplasia. Breeding white tigers serves no conservation purpose and is done solely for its amusement and profit value. While normal tigers are sold for around $500, white tigers can be sold for between $25,000 and $100,000 each.

The entertainment industry, through acts such as Feld Entertainment’s Siegfried & Roy, tries to legitimize casino acts and carnival sideshows with breeding programs for the “nearly extinct white tiger,” when in fact it is propagating genetic freaks. The American Zoo and Aquarium Association’s Tiger Species Survival Plan condemns the breeding of white tigers.

Animal Welfare Act Noncompliances
A 1999 USDA inspection report documented that Siegfried & Roy were cited for veterinary care noncompliances for having two containers of pills that failed to have labels indicating their contents, use, and expiration dates and for failure to have records of acquisition and disposition. The USDA inspector also noted, “A separate inspection report prepared for [the Mirage Hotel] addresses the lack of a public barrier in one area, and standing water in the aisle of the front tiger habitat.”

Siegfried & Roy’s 63 lions and tigers aren’t the only animals that the duo keeps in a deprived environment. For Gildah, Siegfried & Roy’s solitary wild-caught elephant who lives at the Mirage Casino, isolation is the bitter reality of daily life. Fifty-five-year-old Gildah is deprived of a female elephant’s most basic need, the companionship of other elephants. Siegfried & Roy have ignored PETA’s pleas to greatly enrich Gildah’s life by making the compassionate decision to send her to the Elephant Sanctuary in Tennessee, where she could forage through hundreds of acres of lush vegetation, play in the pond, experience the tender caress of another’s trunk, and engage in a magnificent chorus of trumpets, barks, and soft rumbles with other elephants.

Training
According to an August 2000 Esquire article that featured a Siegfried & Roy interview, Roy was quoted as saying, “Women and tigers are exactly alike. They have the same temperament, emotions, and vulnerabilities. They must be spoken to softly—but it doesn’t hurt to carry a big stick just in case.”

http://www.circuses.com/aboutsr.html

[ 18. October 2003, 00:04: Message edited by: Isabella ]

RobBo
17-10-03, 23:14
(.....as ye sow, so shall ye reap...)

John Falstaff
17-10-03, 23:26
Isabella,

As I said before, tiggers can bite back, and that one did. Serves the 'showman' right. It seems there are plenty of others who might be in line to bite back!

BTW, if you want to see elephants in the wild - go to Botswana, there are c.130,000 of them!

Jade-1968
17-10-03, 23:31
When I heard about the attack, the first thing I thought was......"I wonder what's going to happen to the poor tiger!!!" Then a few minutes later, I wondered about Roy....briefly !
And BTW......what would Roy know about women anyway :confused: ??????????????????
Jade http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/flirt.gif .

[ 18. October 2003, 00:33: Message edited by: Jade ]

Isabella
17-10-03, 23:33
Here are some facts on Ringling Bros. Barnum and Bailey Circus.

Most people are under the impression that circus's, especially famous ones, are animal friendly. This link should shed some light on the truth.
:(

http://www.circuses.com/ringling.html

Judie
17-10-03, 23:38
Roy definitely got what he deserved. Using animals for entertainment purposes disgusts me.

Did you see Siegfried (oprah, I think) say that the tiger was actually trying to help Roy when it dragged him off stage? Pathetic :rolleyes:

Isabella
17-10-03, 23:46
Originally posted by Cersei:
Roy definitely got what he deserved. Using animals for entertainment purposes disgusts me.

Did you see Siegfried (oprah, I think) say that the tiger was actually trying to help Roy when it dragged him off stage? Pathetic :rolleyes: Hi Cersei, Seigfried was on oprah? It must have been interesting to hear what he had to say on the entire subject. So the tiger was trying to help Roy....hmmm surely that is what he meant to do. http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/privateeye.gif

I agree RobBo. What goes around comes around.

Judie
18-10-03, 00:02
Hey Isabella, I only caught that part of the interview, I was on my way out the door. If anyone else saw it please let us know what else the fool said!

Draco
18-10-03, 00:42
Actually the tigger was doing a protection maneuver...

It was protecting Roy from the audience...

groovy_nub
18-10-03, 01:29
Did you hear about the couple in Alaska? They up their to study about protecting the bears, however one bear decided to eat them both one night and it was all caught on film, how terrible :(

~Kasia http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/cutie.gif

Isabella
18-10-03, 05:34
Originally posted by Draco:
Actually the tigger was doing a protection maneuver...

It was protecting Roy from the audience...He should never have been put in a situation where humans were in such close proximity. Kind of the way a room full of mice would be too tempting for a house cat.

Draco
18-10-03, 05:38
Originally posted by Isabella:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Draco:
Actually the tigger was doing a protection maneuver...

It was protecting Roy from the audience...He should never have been put in a situation where humans were in such close proximity. Kind of the way a room full of mice would be too tempting for a house cat.</font>[/QUOTE]You are absolutely right...

What is your opinion on Mongolians and there use of tiggers for medicinal purposes?

Isabella
18-10-03, 05:43
Originally posted by Draco:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Isabella:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Draco:
Actually the tigger was doing a protection maneuver...

It was protecting Roy from the audience...He should never have been put in a situation where humans were in such close proximity. Kind of the way a room full of mice would be too tempting for a house cat.</font>[/QUOTE]You are absolutely right...

What is your opinion on Mongolians and there use of tiggers for medicinal purposes?</font>[/QUOTE]It doesn't sit well with me. They are an endangered species yet the Mongolians are one of the few remaining cultures who still carry on old traditions. In this case I think an exception could be made and modern medicine should step in.

Draco
18-10-03, 05:46
Wolves are about to be removed from all protection lists... :(

Isabella
18-10-03, 05:50
Originally posted by Draco:
Wolves are about to be removed from all protection lists... :( Too bad it can't be declared open season on the very politicians who have the final say on these matters.

Draco
18-10-03, 05:52
If dragons hadn't of left (for the most part), they would prolly be the most hunted thing on the planet...

Isabella
18-10-03, 06:01
I think you are probrobly right. Too powerful to be controlled or thrown into some "sanctuary".

Though I would love to see the look on some people's face if one were to pop up from behind a cloud. http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif

Judie
18-10-03, 16:19
Originally posted by Draco:
Actually the tigger was doing a protection maneuver...

It was protecting Roy from the audience...Draco, I'm a little confused here. Did Siegfried actually say that?! If so, why would Roy need protection from the audience? Or were you being sarcastic, and I'm just a little slow right now? http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/smile.gif

Draco
18-10-03, 18:00
The tigger was doing exactly what it would have done to a cub, only difference is Roy isn't built to be dragged by the neck...

It was that tigger's first time in front of the audience, so that is likely how it went down...

I dunno for sure, but nothing else makes sense...

Isabella
18-10-03, 18:10
Originally posted by Draco:
The tigger was doing exactly what it would have done to a cub, only difference is Roy isn't built to be dragged by the neck...

It was that tigger's first time in front of the audience, so that is likely how it went down...

I dunno for sure, but nothing else makes sense...Telling the audience that this was his fist time on stage was just a ploy to make the show more "dramatic", The tiger had been used already for several shows for a number of years.

Ironic isn't it...?

Draco
18-10-03, 18:14
Originally posted by Isabella:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Draco:
The tigger was doing exactly what it would have done to a cub, only difference is Roy isn't built to be dragged by the neck...

It was that tigger's first time in front of the audience, so that is likely how it went down...

I dunno for sure, but nothing else makes sense...Telling the audience that this was his fist time on stage was just a ploy to make the show more "dramatic", The tiger had been used already for several shows for a number of years.

Ironic isn't it...?</font>[/QUOTE]Where did you hear that?

John Falstaff
18-10-03, 18:15
Hi Isabella,

http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/wave.gif

Roy's lucky then - it could have turned out worse, 'liar, liar with your pants on fire'. (Ouch)

;)

Judie
18-10-03, 18:17
Originally posted by Draco:
The tigger was doing exactly what it would have done to a cub, only difference is Roy isn't built to be dragged by the neck...

It was that tigger's first time in front of the audience, so that is likely how it went down...

I dunno for sure, but nothing else makes sense...I don't know what to think about what the tiger was trying to do :(

Isabella, it's very ironic.

Isabella
18-10-03, 18:19
Originally posted by Draco:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Isabella:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Draco:
The tigger was doing exactly what it would have done to a cub, only difference is Roy isn't built to be dragged by the neck...

It was that tigger's first time in front of the audience, so that is likely how it went down...

I dunno for sure, but nothing else makes sense...Telling the audience that this was his fist time on stage was just a ploy to make the show more "dramatic", The tiger had been used already for several shows for a number of years.

Ironic isn't it...?</font>[/QUOTE]Where did you hear that?</font>[/QUOTE]During an interview with their spokesman the day after the incident. A reporter asked about the tigers experience in front of an audience and he told them that it had been in numerous shows already. The statement that he was new was intended as a joke. :rolleyes:

[ 18. October 2003, 19:22: Message edited by: Isabella ]

Draco
18-10-03, 18:22
Originally posted by Isabella:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Draco:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Isabella:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Draco:
The tigger was doing exactly what it would have done to a cub, only difference is Roy isn't built to be dragged by the neck...

It was that tigger's first time in front of the audience, so that is likely how it went down...

I dunno for sure, but nothing else makes sense...Telling the audience that this was his fist time on stage was just a ploy to make the show more "dramatic", The tiger had been used already for several shows for a number of years.

Ironic isn't it...?</font>[/QUOTE]Where did you hear that?</font>[/QUOTE]During an interview with their spokesman the day after the incident. A reporter asked about the tigers experience in front of an audience and he told them that it was had been in numerous shows already. The statement that he was new was intended as a joke. :rolleyes: </font>[/QUOTE]Hmm...

Wonder if there will be copies of that show anywhere...