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ELEN
03-12-04, 21:14
Would you like to have signatures in your posts?

larasfrend
03-12-04, 21:31
YES. :D Hi ELEN! http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/wave.gif I'm off to bed http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/c-4.gif ... Weekend is here! http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/smile.gif

[ 03. December 2004, 21:32: Message edited by: larasfrend ]

Simulation
03-12-04, 21:49
I must admit that image signatures are one of my pet hates. I look at some other forums and you can’t see the text for all the bitmaps littering the topic.

Sim
http://simulation.tombraiderforums.com/forum/sig.gif

Simulation
03-12-04, 21:50
see what I mean?

http://simulation.tombraiderforums.com/forum/sig.gif

ELEN
03-12-04, 21:58
Yes Sim I see what you mean. That's why we set up the poll. We had a similar conv in the past and many members mentioned this.

Draco
03-12-04, 22:19
You can disable sigs in other people's posts, and some forum software can eliminate image sigs.

Joseph
03-12-04, 22:21
I voted NO. It's awfull, needless, annoying. :rolleyes:

Draco
03-12-04, 22:24
Which is why you can disable them.

Nicky
03-12-04, 22:26
Sim has a good point, but there could be limits as far as the size and dimensions are concerned (just like it's for the avatars). Also consider that not everybody will be putting images as sigs; plain text is also an option http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/smile.gif

ELEN
03-12-04, 22:28
Draco yes, we can allow signatures that contain only words (no images). I didn't understand this:

You can disable sigs in other people's posts Do you mean to disable the sigs to certain members?

Draco
03-12-04, 22:30
No, in your profile you can choose not to see sigs from anyone.

ELEN
03-12-04, 22:34
Uh? :confused: This is for the avatars my dear.

Draco
03-12-04, 22:38
It's an option that becomes available when a forum allows sigs. Visit any forum with sigs and check out options.

ELEN
03-12-04, 22:42
OK. I thought you were talking about this forum and that a similar option was available.

Draco
03-12-04, 22:46
It will be available, you can even check by enabling them for a minute and looking in your profile.

It might need to be enabled as an option at all though.

ELEN
03-12-04, 22:51
I quickly enabled them, but I didn't see any option. Probably we have to enable the option too. Tlr knows the software better than me, so we'll see.

[ 03. December 2004, 22:52: Message edited by: ELEN ]

Draco
03-12-04, 22:53
Yeah, only forum I ever admined was in PHPBB, so I couldnt tell you.

charlie904
03-12-04, 23:19
i think signatures are imperative to forums. there yet another way to express yourself. i have some very beautiful signature pictures that i could use. theyre not big at all. ive been waiting for YEARS for this forum to get signatures and i htink its about time to upgrade. i believe very strongly in enabling signatures in this forum. and it would add some flavor to this board. also it would be a great way to recognize members. i REALLY REALLY REALLY think signatures are the way to go.

[ 03. December 2004, 23:21: Message edited by: charlie904 ]

charlie904
03-12-04, 23:27
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v102/CarbonCopy47/KillBillblendlighten.bmp

this is what my sig would look like. its not big at all. it adds some color to the page doesnt it. i love looking at people signatures. theyre so creative and its a great way to showcase your talent and express your interests. it wouldnt be in the way of anything because there would be a character limit and for the people with big sig pictures, im sure other members would ask them to downsize it and they would. it works in other forums everywhere it would work here.

Joseph
04-12-04, 00:18
yes, every time you say yes or no at any post, this picture is loaded.

Draco
04-12-04, 00:33
I don't actually understand why people who want no sigs have to make it so nobody can have sigs.

If you don't like them, you can just turn them off.

Scottlee
04-12-04, 01:00
I say yes

TheEveningStar
04-12-04, 01:55
make sure please that if you do enable it, that the images are not huge, i hate it when they are so huge.

charlie904
04-12-04, 03:04
i have the slowest of the slowest internet connection and when my page loads the text loads first then the pictures load. so if you dont want to wait for the pictures to load (for another 5 seconds :rolleyes: ) then you can still read the text and pretend nobody has sigs. and its not like everybody is going to have sigs. nobody does on any other forum. on each page id say about 60% of the members have them. and therye always moderately sized. yeah sure every now and then comes a member that isnt aware of wat size their sig should b, but then another member asks them nicely to pic a smaller one and they do. its not a big deal. this feature would enhance this forum greatly.

tlr online
04-12-04, 03:15
I vote no also. I hate them. They litter threads and increase page load time.

janny_c.
04-12-04, 03:20
I voted yes
If you have slow internet connection and don't want to view sigs, just turn the view sig option off, simple :rolleyes:

charlie904
04-12-04, 03:35
exactly. i guess the people that dont make signatures dont understand and dont care about expressing themselves through pictures or quotes or things that really portray them. but if they dont like it i dont understand why no signatures could just b the default option and if they want to see sigs they could just enable them.

ive been waiting for YEAAAAAAAARS (honestly) for this topic to come up, and i wish the mods would at least try it for a little while or be open to the suggestion.

andromeda_eats
04-12-04, 04:22
Whats the difference between an avatar and an signature except for size?

And does this include text signatures, or image only?

I vote no to image sigs, but I think text sigs are a great idea. http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/wave.gif

charlie904
04-12-04, 04:34
also, sometimes on other forums when i see for example a person with an alias signature, it gives me some insight on their interests and i pm them and we talk about alias. its a great way to meet new people with similar interests as you. especially since the icons arent customizable. theres no way on this forum to see what kind of people the members really are. it makes this forum so unpersonal. signatures would be a great friendly feature.

Thorn
04-12-04, 05:46
I think we should be able to have a signature so that we can distinguish a persons personality better. I'm sure many of us want to be shown as individuals. It's hard to tell unless you particularly know the person. Although I think there'd have to be image size and quality limits to the members. And besides, like mentioned before, you can always turn the sig. option off.

I vote yes.

Olvidarse
04-12-04, 06:52
If the moderators want this dull, gray forum then they should keep it a dull, gray forum.

Draco
04-12-04, 07:31
I can see why people are against sigs, but I honestly cannot figure out why they want to force everyone else to not have them too...you can disable them (for the hundredth time).

TopCat.TopBeing
04-12-04, 07:41
i voted yes. for the same simple reason - if people dont like them, they can just turn them off.

y vote and decide for the whole community when everyone can choose and have it the way they like? :confused:

i say enable them and let every person choose. http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/wave.gif

Neteru
04-12-04, 08:18
I vote no.

Draco
04-12-04, 08:22
I still haven't seen a single point for not enabling sigs as long as the option to disable them individually remains.

Thorn
04-12-04, 08:28
Originally posted by Draco:
I still haven't seen a single point for not enabling sigs as long as the option to disable them individually remains.Exactly.

Wizzkiddo
04-12-04, 08:56
I voted yes.

At another forum I frequently visit there signatures are enabled, but there's a limit on its length. If someone doesn't follow that rule, the signature is permanently disabled for that account.

Another thing on that forum. They have their own currency, you earn money by making useful posts, and you can spend it on avatar uploads, signatures and custom titles. Maybe a similar system can be activated in this case, so you can only use a signature if you have made 100 or more posts for example http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/smile.gif

Neteru
04-12-04, 09:17
Originally posted by Draco:
I still haven't seen a single point for not enabling sigs as long as the option to disable them individually remains.It's bad enough with those who quote a whole post just to say 'I agree' or such like. Even worse with those who cascade quote. What then when signatures are included? Turning off the ability to view signatures will count for nothing then.

---------------------------------------------------------------

People talk of having the ability to express themselves with signatures.

A signature: something which is typically the expression of someone else and which remains the same until it is changed.

A post: something which is typically the expression of the poster and which is unique every single time.

[ 04. December 2004, 09:17: Message edited by: Neteru ]

Draco
04-12-04, 09:47
Originally posted by Neteru:
What then when signatures are included? Turning off the ability to view signatures will count for nothing then.
Turning them off means you will see the forums exactly as you do now.

Apofiss
04-12-04, 12:11
I voted yes, BUT only as a TEXT - NO PICTURES!!! I think a text signature would be ok!? Pictures - that would be too much - you know it's a forum - it's not a picture slideshow anyway! http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/c-3.gif

mattioz
04-12-04, 12:41
yes, no pictures!
that will do

larasfrend
04-12-04, 13:43
Originally posted by Wizzkiddo:
I voted yes.

At another forum I frequently visit there signatures are enabled, but there's a limit on its length. If someone doesn't follow that rule, the signature is permanently disabled for that account.

Another thing on that forum. They have their own currency, you earn money by making useful posts, and you can spend it on avatar uploads, signatures and custom titles. Maybe a similar system can be activated in this case, so you can only use a signature if you have made 100 or more posts for example http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/smile.gif I'm not "paying" to get an avatar uploaded. This is what I love about this place, if you ask nicely, someone is willing to do it for you. Earning uploads and stuff makes visiting the forum like a job/chore and I come here to relax, not work.

Cato
04-12-04, 14:08
....I can't seem to vote but:
Yes
Yes
Oh, God, YES!!!
I love it when people use signatures they made themselves. As long as they're not too big or annoying.
Here's the one I always use in forums.
http://www.cluckyweb.co.uk/phpbb2/files/sig2_158.jpg

See? What's wrong with that? http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/smile.gif

Cato
04-12-04, 14:09
.....damn, it looks pretty with grey. http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/smile.gif

ELEN
04-12-04, 14:14
Off topic, but since I saw a comment, I want to ask if the gray background (with the white leters) hurts your eyes\ you find it annoying.

Regarding the sigs... I can see a debate whether turning off or not the signatures. Our point is to find a way, so that most of (if not all) the members will be pleased. That's why we set up the poll, so that we can see what you want.

Most of you said that it takes ages to load the page because of the sigs.
Solution: We can arrange that. We cam limit the size, regarding both the dimension (width and height) and the file size. This will also make the replies to be read easily, without confusion. If someone doesn't follow the above, the signature will be removed from the member's profile instantly and without warning.

I can understand this kind of "debate" because the sigs are something new for TRF. If we had the sigs from the beginning, no-one would say anything. So, before each one insists on his\ her opinion (whether you want the sigs or not) without caring for the others (beause this is what I see from all the posts), I would suggest you considering both parties http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/smile.gif

ELEN
04-12-04, 14:16
Originally posted by Cato:
http://www.cluckyweb.co.uk/phpbb2/files/sig2_158.jpg

See? What's wrong with that? http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/smile.gif It's too long :D (IMO).

Cato
04-12-04, 14:18
Oh, Really?

ELEN
04-12-04, 14:20
Aha... But as I said, that was just my opinion.

Cato
04-12-04, 14:28
Oh, maybe I should snip it alittle. http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/smile.gif
Anyway, I think image signatures (of certain sizes) should be permitted. I think they make a forum look 10 times better. http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/smile.gif
They also gives a member the chance to experiment a create something really cool. http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/smile.gif

BTW, what are the current poll results? I can't vote or view the results...computer's messed up.

Wizzkiddo
04-12-04, 14:32
18 votes for YES, 25 votes for NO :( , 1 vote for I DON'T CARE

ELEN
04-12-04, 14:34
The poll will remain open until Wednesday. That way, the members who don't visit the forum on weekends will have a chance to vote. So Wiz, you never know http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif

Cato
04-12-04, 14:34
NNNNOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!! http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/c-4.gif (Closest thin I could get to 'NNNNNNOOOOOOO'.)

Cato
04-12-04, 14:43
Er...No has in "NOOOOO!!! The No vote is winning!" http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/c-4.gif Not "NOOOO!!! Thing's may change!!!" http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/c-4.gif

Draco
04-12-04, 14:48
What I don't get is why this is an issue at all. Nobody needs to load, see, use, or even know sigs exist unless they want to...so why make people who want them not have them?

Sounds a bit fascist to me.

Draco
04-12-04, 14:50
Think about it this way, if you don't like TV, do you force other people not to watch it?

tlr online
04-12-04, 15:01
Give it up Eric. I think you've made your point about 10 times now.

ELEN
04-12-04, 15:05
Draco, indeed it's not an issue at all. But from what you say, it seems you make it one. People who don't want sigs, they can freely say it. As you, who wants them. Why do you keep saying the same thing over and over again every time a member says that he\ she doesn't want the sigs? I'm sure they have their reasons, as you have your own for wanting them. You say "yes", I (for instance) say "no". That's it http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/smile.gif

[ 04. December 2004, 15:08: Message edited by: ELEN ]

tlr online
04-12-04, 15:06
Tell me about it! I've never heard someone whine so much! The members will decide.

Cato
04-12-04, 15:14
I guess we'll see the outcome on Wednesday.

Draco
04-12-04, 15:18
I'm not whining, hell I don't even want sigs. I just think that it isn't even an issue. And nobody appears to even get the point anyways... :rolleyes:

Draco
04-12-04, 15:21
Originally posted by tlr online:
Tell me about it! I've never heard someone whine so much! The members will decide.Just so you know, that's what I think about every post you make about the US. Whining.

Cato
04-12-04, 15:25
People! People! Sit and calm down. No-body's whining about anything. :rolleyes:

tlr online
04-12-04, 15:28
I hope we're all gonna help Draco pick his toys up if the result doesn't swing in his favour.

ELEN
04-12-04, 15:33
http://www.tombraiderchronicles.com/~eleni/smilies/back_to_topic.gif

Draco
04-12-04, 15:33
http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/c-1.gif

You speak about letting the people decide, and that is my point...hello?? http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/c-1.gif

tlr online
04-12-04, 15:36
According to you, "it isn't an issue." According to you, imposing a no-sig rule is fascist. Well for those who have voted NO, including me!, it is an issue.

Notice a trend here? http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/wave.gif

Cato
04-12-04, 15:39
.....Er, People.....
.
.
So ELEN, how was your day? http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/smile.gif

tlr online
04-12-04, 15:41
Folk complained about the rating system. Folk can disable the rating system, but they still thought the general premise unfair. Get it? Yet..

Draco
04-12-04, 15:42
I will assume then that you don't know what I'm talking about, when I say enabling sigs doesn't mean you have to have them on for yourself.

If you enabled sigs right now, mine would be visible to everyone, then people who dont want to see sigs can go into their profile and turn them off, viola problem solved.

So do you plan to keep patronizing me or are you going to live up to your title.

Draco
04-12-04, 15:43
Originally posted by tlr online:
Folk complained about the rating system. Folk can disable the rating system, but they still thought the general premise unfair. Get it? Yet..Yes I 'get it', but disabling ratings wont hide other people's ratings. DO you 'get it' yet?

tlr online
04-12-04, 15:48
Originally posted by Draco:
I will assume then that you don't know what I'm talking about, when I say enabling sigs doesn't mean you have to have them on for yourself.I'm well aware of this function, and still I vote no. Signatures are subject to abuse. If I choose not to enable sigs (because apart from anything else, they clutter up a thread) how can I effectively monitor that a member doesn't abuse his/her position by posting something inappropriate as his sig?

How can I also ensure that members adhere to our Terms and Conditions on advertising when I'm not able to view their signatures.

I probably could dumb it down even more, but I'm hoping you're at least glancing through my eyes.

Draco
04-12-04, 15:51
Yes, I know of the Administrative complications. But there are ways to remedy that....more mods, an Admin who is appointed to check them, or even just the community itself. Enough people want them that they should also be able to check them.

Cato
04-12-04, 15:53
Easier said than done, though...

tlr online
04-12-04, 15:54
Yes. That is absolutely right. If enough folk want them, indeed they will earn the right to have them. I would only ask that you respect a decision not to enable them if enough folk decide against the idea also, without branding us fascist.

ELEN
04-12-04, 15:54
Err... ok... an abusive signature is like an abusive post. We sometimes don't see it when it happens. But!!! We take action. The same will happen with the signatures http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/smile.gif

ELEN
04-12-04, 15:56
Originally posted by tlr online:
If enough folk want them, indeed they will earn the right to have them. I would only ask that you respect a decision not to enable them if enough folk decide against them also.Sure thing :D

Draco
04-12-04, 16:01
My opinion is my opinion. And in my opinion, every 'no' vote in there is a yes vote for censorship.

Granted we could argue till the end of time about it, but my mind won't change. I don't support organized censorship in any form.

Even if I disable them myself like I do on some forums I visit, I still think it should be optional.

My problem with this poll is that all the 'no' people don't seem to realize they could vote yes and get the same result.

Draco
04-12-04, 16:04
Originally posted by tlr online:
Yes. That is absolutely right. If enough folk want them, indeed they will earn the right to have them. I would only ask that you respect a decision not to enable them if enough folk decide against the idea also, without branding us fascist.You know me better than that...I hope.

tlr online
04-12-04, 16:14
Some forms of censorship are a necessity Eric. We've trodden this road many times. We are two folk with completely different outlooks on policy. (and life in general)

Anyway. I am now checking to see whether in actual fact this forum software will support the disabling of sigs, if they were to be enabled. I realise I should have done that before posting this poll, but like you I automatically assumed the feature would be included.

tlr online
04-12-04, 16:19
OK. Sorry folks. Our software at present does not feature the option to disabled signatures, which null and voids this argument at present. I will, however, endeavour to upgrade our software to the very latest. Please understand this is extremely expensive, as our software has been extensively customised, so it's not going to happen over night.

... but it looks like the "little Hitler's" won the vote anway. ;)

Draco
04-12-04, 16:23
Well I'm sorry I made such a big fuss over it, not everyday I get a chance to defend something worthwhile.

charlie904
04-12-04, 16:23
Originally posted by ELEN:
Err... ok... an abusive signature is like an abusive post. We sometimes don't see it when it happens. But!!! We take action. The same will happen with the signatures http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/smile.gif and like abusive posts, the forum members usually complain first. and they report the abusers. give us some credit. and its just as easy to abuse with a post as it is to abuse with a signature if not more because a signature appears in the persons every post and youd be able to spot it easier than an offensive post. and signatures are easier to mod than posts because it only takes one edit.

charlie904
04-12-04, 16:30
final thought: the majority isnt always right. did they vote on whether slavery should still be legal?

Melonie Tomb Raider
04-12-04, 16:35
aww man more people are voting no?! Must you be party poopers? http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif I really hope more people vote yes because I would love to have a signature at the end of my post. When people have signatures ( and avatars), it makes them a lot more unique than the other forum members. If it wasn't for avatars it would be hard to immagine some people being different than others. I rarely check usernames, I can always tell who the person is by their avie, and I think that signatures would give the people a lot more individuality, which would be a plus. http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/thumb.gif

andromeda_eats
04-12-04, 16:37
I like text sigs, not image sigs. http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/wave.gif

tlr online
04-12-04, 16:43
OK. Would text-only sigs suit everyone? (I'm trying to accomodate everyone here.)

charlie904
04-12-04, 16:43
don't you get it melonie. this forum discourages individuality. you cant upload an avatar from you computer which is understandable because they would have to provide webspace for your picture, but then you also cant use a picture from an offsite url. your forced to use one of the sites avatars. this forum feels so inaccessible. and its a shame.

tlr online
04-12-04, 16:45
.. and somebody PLEASE show me the PAUSE buttom on my day. It's racing along at 100 mph atm, and I've a bazillion things on my To Do list. :( :eek:

tlr online
04-12-04, 16:46
Originally posted by charlie904:
don't you get it melonie. this forum discourages individuality. you cant upload an avatar from you computer which is understandable because they would have to provide webspace for your picture, but then you also cant use a picture from an offsite url. your forced to use one of the sites avatars. this forum feels so inaccessible. and its a shame.This is a ridiculous statement Charlie. You're not forced to come here. If you feel so incubated, post elsewhere!

charlie904
04-12-04, 16:49
when i said it was a shame, i meant because i love to post here and theres great people but i cant get an essance of them through anything but that one post. i enjoy being here but i think a more personalized and individual theme for each person would be a huge step up and make the place a whole lot friendlier..

[ 04. December 2004, 16:51: Message edited by: charlie904 ]

Melonie Tomb Raider
04-12-04, 16:50
tlr online, no offense, but you're acting a little harsh. You're an admin, shouldn't you be trying to set an example of how other forum members are suppoed to act? When reading you argue with draco it seemed to me like you wanted to make him mad and my question is, why? He has a different oppinion than you do, why does an episode have to be made out of this? He said himself he doesn't want a signature, so if there is an option to disable them then why would people vote no? It's just like saying, " Well I don't want a signature so no one else can have one either."

Most forums have signatures and I have NEVER seen any that were "inapropriate". Sure, some people might make some bad ones, but that happens. Just like people make bad topics. Bad behavior on forums is pretty much impossible to stop altogether, no matter what there will always be some one. Does that mean you have to take away everyon's privelages because one single person might do something wrong?

The forums are great, and I try to check up on them every single day, and I have been for the past couple of years. I've made several friends that I keep in contact with even outside of the forums, and I have you to thank for that for making these forums. I do appreciate all of the hard work you spend on making our forums better; however, having a signature is nothing complicated and it would make so many of us members happy to have them. Ever since I first went on this forum a couple of years ago I wished their was a signature option.

tlr online
04-12-04, 16:51
Charlie. What are you talking about? You are perfectly able to select ANY avatar you want. We will EVEN HOST IT FOR YOU. FREE.

The reason we don't allow avatars from external URL's is because if that particular web site (that hosts the image) goes down or is inaccessible, the page will NOT load because I.E. will wait for the server to time out.

Bloody hell! I love this place sometimes!

Joseph
04-12-04, 16:51
Charlie why are you saying this: you cant upload an avatar from you computer which is understandable because they would have to provide webspace for your picture, Everybody CAN upload their avatar(s) to the forum (via ELEN) where they get placed in the gallery.

ELEN
04-12-04, 16:51
Charlie, you are not forced to use an avatar from the library. You can also have your own. There is one exception: you can't add an external URL, but you can send us the avatar you like and it will become available on the library. The reason we don't give you the option of using an external URL is because we want to keep the things tidy. If you tried to upload an avavatar 100x100 pixels, the sofware would automatically re-size it to 48x48 and the avatar would look like a mess.

Nicky
04-12-04, 16:52
I think that allowing text sigs only (at least at the beginning) would be a good way to please both sides. I don't know what features the software allows, but you could put some limitations there too (ie, about the number of lines in the text, and the size of the font that will be used - this would mean a discreet signature that would bother noone, IMO) http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/smile.gif

tlr online
04-12-04, 16:53
Melonie Tomb Raider. My being an administrator does not require me to repress my opinion. If I think someone is being unfair, I will speak my mind - as YOU have done (and enticed more than your share of friction) frequently in the past.

If you can't handle it. Exit.

Joseph
04-12-04, 16:54
Melonie, read a few posts back, please.

Originally posted by tlr online:
OK. Sorry folks. Our software at present does not feature the option to disabled signatures, which null and voids this argument at present. I will, however, endeavour to upgrade our software to the very latest. Please understand this is extremely expensive, as our software has been extensively customised, so it's not going to happen over night.

ELEN
04-12-04, 16:56
Can we go back to topic, please?

charlie904
04-12-04, 16:57
but you cant do it yourself you have to go through elen ask her to upload it to the site and then its availible for everyone to use as a public avatar. at other forums i like to change my icon about every month and i would hate bothering elen with uploading a new avatar so often like that.

tlr online
04-12-04, 17:00
And if you care to scroll up a tad, you'll see WHY external images aren't available for use as avatars.

Here. Lemme repeat myself again. The reason we don't allow avatars from external URL's is because if that particular web site (that hosts the image) goes down or is inaccessible, the page will NOT load because I.E. will wait for the server to time out.

ELEN
04-12-04, 17:00
Charlie, first you don't bother me at all http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/smile.gif

Secondly, even if you use an external URL, it's still available for everyone. I guess the "Right click on avatar, select Properties" is very common. I could get it if I wanted.

TopCat.TopBeing
04-12-04, 17:11
Originally posted by tlr online:
Melonie Tomb Raider. My being an administrator does not require me to repress my opinion. If I think someone is being unfair, I will speak my mind - as YOU have done (and enticed more than your share of friction) frequently in the past.

If you can't handle it. Exit.i believe she wanted to say u should calm down and mind your tone? youre really being a little too harsh tlr. http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/c-3.gif

tlr online
04-12-04, 17:13
You know. When you think about this in the grand scheme of things, we don’t ask much from you folk. We plough lots of time and money into a project that provides you with a voice on the web with other like-minded folk. We have rules, mainly to safeguard us getting our arses sued off. You all agree to these rules when you register. We’re not talking about a dictatorship here… just a few rules we kindly ask you to respect. Most of us have been around a long time, and we’ve learned from past mistakes. We’re still “work in progress” but we’ve got a little bit of experience under our belt.

Please, kindly avoid bashing us because you think we’re trying to repress your individuality, or incubate your persona on our forum. That simply isn’t the case. We’re applying tried and tester measures that are proven to function for the majority as a whole. It’s not just about one person you see. We can’t please everyone all the time. Sometimes some folk are going to be disappointed. Other times a decision might swing in their favour.

charlie904
04-12-04, 17:13
no i dont think thats what shes saying at all. i think all shes sayin is that as a mod its important to be objective.

tlr online
04-12-04, 17:16
Harsh, yes perhaps you're right. I'm also fed up of folk continually complaining when most of the time they don't even know the full facts of their argument. Plenty of examples can be found in this one single thread.

tlr online
04-12-04, 17:18
Anyway. I'm off for the night. You folk have a wonderful evening!

ELEN
04-12-04, 17:32
Well, I know one person who would definitely like the signature idea :D

SYS "Congratulations Ms Croft. You are positively Amazonian."

Awwww http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/hug.gif

SYS
04-12-04, 17:57
...a voice from the darkness.....

LOL! You've called me, ELEN? http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/hug.gif

Yeah, but take into consideration that I have a pre-signature too, and I still have to type it every time, even if the signature-feature is enabled... :D

I have no problem with these things anyway - disabled sigs and no external avatars -, but CTRL+C & CTRL+V is my best friend, indeed... http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif I think, signatures could be okay, if they are only texts and nothing else. I also don't like images/banners as signatures (yeah, Sim's example is very good)..I have a fast Internet-connection, but it's a little bit funny for me when someone's signature is wider than his post... And not to mention when I have to scroll down a page (or the Forum must seperate the pages too often) for ages or I have to search the point between the tons of signatures... http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/smile.gif I haven't voted yet, anyway...

SYS "Congratulations Ms Croft. You are positively Amazonian."

[ 04. December 2004, 18:03: Message edited by: SYS ]

ELEN
04-12-04, 18:29
SYS!! http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif

Yeah, I somehow called you :D http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/hug.gif

Anubis_AF
04-12-04, 23:31
I voted for yes and forget to post, so Yes in my opinion.

TombRaidingJenn42
05-12-04, 00:25
I voted, "I do not care". I like sigs myself-within certain boundaries, but being on dial-up too I can also see why lots of people don't. I think if sigs were to be allowed, there should definitely be limits on number and size of images allowed, and maybe even length of text. It's very frustration when trying to view a page and you're waiting for someone's sig to load up that contains tons of pics of various sizes, bunches of blinking thingies, and tons of text, not to mention that huge images in sigs tend to strecth a page, and can almost make it unviewable. But I also think that sigs are a great way to show people in a glimpse a little bit about who you are, or what your personality is like. I think one image and a bit of text would be ok, but I won't get upset if they aren't allowed. http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/wave.gif

andromeda_eats
05-12-04, 00:45
This is the most ridiculous arguement I have ever encountered.
We are being offered the chance to calmly and rationally work out some sort of arrangement with image/text signatures. How is it possible for an arguement to ensue??

Charlie how can you say this place discourages individuality? That is the most outrageous statement ever. And likening image signatures to slavery? What the? The Adminstrators here work damm hard, and they do it for you, so dont you dare get on your high horse and start dissing this forum. I wont stand for it.

And Melonie, sweetie, you seem to have forgotten one tiny fact. ELEN and tlr set up this poll. So for you to say that tlr is bashing anyone who doesnt vote "no" is an outright lie. He agreed to this idea in the first place, which obviously means he is happy for some kind of arrangement that will satisfy everyone, regardless of any personal opinions. http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/wave.gif

Angelina
05-12-04, 00:51
I voted "I don't care".....because simply put....I really don't. I think the avatars is great and that they provide enough individuality.
I mean I wouldn't be able to show everyone my individuality just through one sentence anyway.
I think your posts here probably indicates a whole lot on what kind of person you are (at least in my case I think that's kind of true).
But still for all of you who really wants the signature thing, sure, as long as it is text only and not to long or any giant letters.

[ 05. December 2004, 00:52: Message edited by: Angelina ]

TheEveningStar
05-12-04, 00:55
Please, everyone, dont fight over something that is not really as important as us being able to talk in peace and being friends, honestly, lets just let the poll decide, and thats how you get the results. tlr, Elen, i think is better if you would not let anyone post stuff on a poll thread, it puts on a thin line all of the ppl and they start fighting on who is going to fall, if a poll is put up is to see how many ppl agree, disagree and who doesnt care. so i guess theres no point on you to post what did you vote for, cause really a poll is supposed to be confidential, otherwise it would tell the names of the ppl that have answer with yes, no and i dont care.... please ppl, stop fighting.. lets just see what the results are and then move on... we got to stay positive, and accept changes or accept that there wont be any changes.

BTW: When is this poll going to be closed?

Angelina
05-12-04, 00:58
I totally agree andromeda! http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/thumb.gif
The admins and mods really do a great job with this site and I realized I probably haven't thanked them enough for it.
So for all the administrators and moderators, a big http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/c-5.gif
Thank you! ;) http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/smile.gif

charlie904
05-12-04, 01:01
Originally posted by andromeda_eats:
This is the most ridiculous arguement I have ever encountered.
We are being offered the chance to calmly and rationally work out some sort of arrangement with image/text signatures. How is it possible for an arguement to ensue??

Charlie how can you say this place discourages individuality? That is the most outrageous statement ever. And likening image signatures to slavery? What the? The Adminstrators here work damm hard, and they do it for you, so dont you dare get on your high horse and start dissing this forum. I wont stand for it.

And Melonie, sweetie, you seem to have forgotten one tiny fact. ELEN and tlr set up this poll. So for you to say that tlr is bashing anyone who doesnt vote "no" is an outright lie. He agreed to this idea in the first place, which obviously means he is happy for some kind of arrangement that will satisfy everyone, regardless of any personal opinions. http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/wave.gif i wasnt likening image signatures to slavery. i was giving an example of how the majority isnt always right. u knwo thats what im saying but ur consciously manipulating my words.

Thorn
05-12-04, 01:17
I think the signatures are a way to express yourself and your creativity. Also, technology is always going to be on the uprise so why not just go with it? Anyways, it's not like the sigs are going to ruin your experience, seriously, what websites do you visit? I'm sure there's plenty and they all have images and text to load. Although I do understand the problems people have with dial up. But I think as long as we have image and text limitations then there shouldn't be a problem.. They're meant to be an enjoyable experience.

ELEN
05-12-04, 10:08
As I said before, there will be a limitation regarding the file size. We cannot force that from the software, but we can do it manually. Or, probably starting with text only would be a good idea. We can see how it goes...

SYS
05-12-04, 17:54
...a voice from the darkness.....

BTW, I actually like text-signatures. At Home (our Site's Forum), we can have signatures, and some Members have interesting and meaningful ones (noone use pictures/banners anyway)..famous quotations for example, and so on... And this also true for some other Forums, where I'm a member. So, I like these kind of signatures. What ELEN said (starting with texts only), could be a good beginning, so I think, I'm going to vote a YES, right now... http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/smile.gif

SYS "Congratulations Ms Croft. You are positively Amazonian."

[ 05. December 2004, 21:14: Message edited by: SYS ]

Melonie Tomb Raider
05-12-04, 19:18
Perhaps I have been misnderstood. I'm not bashing the forums for not allowing signatures, although I do think y'all should. My only complaint is that Tlr can be a very rude admin at times and in my oppinion, that's not the way an admin should act. Elen is a very good example of how an admin should act. http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/smile.gif She respects us forum members and is very polite; however, she can be strict too but only when she needs to be. So I'm not bashing the admins, I'm just asking tlr if he could act a little more polite and think of other people's feelings too. I said it in a very respectful way, so why is there a need to get upset about it? :confused:

ELEN
05-12-04, 19:21
I would change the "...a voice from the darkness....." to "... a voice from the darkness...". I think it looks more balanced.

* that was for SYS. I posted the same time with Mel http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif

[ 05. December 2004, 19:22: Message edited by: ELEN ]

Cato
06-12-04, 15:04
What's the results now?
(Can't vote or view results. Bad computer!)

ELEN
06-12-04, 15:21
26 yes
26 no
3 I do not care

Cato http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/wave.gif

Melonie Tomb Raider
06-12-04, 15:31
Wow, this poll is getting really close!!!! *crosses fingers*. http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/smile.gif

dmc444
06-12-04, 17:41
I read all the arguments above, for and against signatures and then I voted......... YES http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/thumb.gif

Cato
06-12-04, 18:49
Thanks ELEN. http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/wave.gif

Ohhh. IT'S SO CLOSE!!!

Quiver.
06-12-04, 21:44
I vote NO....

That there are no signatures is one of the reasons I love this forum....

I don't like huge pictures under a name....
Some text ok, but no pictures.....

tlr online
06-12-04, 22:14
Quiver. We're voting for TEXT SIGNATURES atm. We won't be enabling images in signatures until we upgrade the forum software.

SpArKy
06-12-04, 22:51
MMmmm i see no point in just text signatures, because you can just write it in your Home Option anywa, but i voted yes, as some people may like one.

About the image sig, i also say yes (with image control on iszes etc and file types)

Draco : i agree with you too, enable weather or not you wish them to be displayed!

TheEveningStar
06-12-04, 23:18
Heres a thought... why not instead of doing the signatures, why not increase the avatar space, in case someone wants one that moves or something like that, keep the 48 x 48 dimension, just accept the ones that can move and stuff like that.... what do you think?

as an example... i would love to have this avatar... but i cant cause of the size...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v195/theeveningstar/uploaded_ccgaspin.gif

[ 06. December 2004, 23:23: Message edited by: TheEveningStar ]

Thorn
06-12-04, 23:26
Well if we did do that, I'd prefer a larger picture considering you can hardly see or make anything into an avatar thats 48x48. Mine took long enough to make.

andromeda_eats
06-12-04, 23:28
What an awesome avatar Evening Star. Wait till DEBUG sees it. http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif

Just because we start with text signatures, doesnt mean we cant upgrade to image signatures if the trial is successful. Right? http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/wave.gif

TheEveningStar
06-12-04, 23:31
thanks AE... i dont know is just an idea, since almost everyone was complaining on the size of the avatar... may be we could do this instead of the signatures... is just an idea... http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/wave.gif

BlingBlingBrat
07-12-04, 01:29
I hope we get signatures and I hope the forum software would get upgraded. If it did this would be my signature.
http://images5.theimagehosting.com/coollogo_com_22011223.jpg but i would match the background to the forum so it would blend right in.

TopCat.TopBeing
07-12-04, 13:16
Originally posted by TheEveningStar:
Heres a thought... why not instead of doing the signatures, why not increase the avatar space, in case someone wants one that moves or something like that, keep the 48 x 48 dimension, just accept the ones that can move and stuff like that.... what do you think?

as an example... i would love to have this avatar... but i cant cause of the size...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v195/theeveningstar/uploaded_ccgaspin.gifthere's a thread about that somewhere.. i think the admins said no. i like the larger avatars idea but their point is reasonable - itd sure increase the page load times for dail-up users http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/bash.gif

Quiver.
07-12-04, 17:45
Originally posted by tlr online:
Quiver. We're voting for TEXT SIGNATURES atm. We won't be enabling images in signatures until we upgrade the forum software.oh sorry, I thought this was about all signatures....

http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/c-1.gif

Cato
07-12-04, 18:01
...It is. http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/smile.gif

Are the results still close?

ELEN
07-12-04, 19:23
30 Yes
39 No
4 I do not care.

http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/wave.gif

TopCat.TopBeing
07-12-04, 19:44
whoa! it was 30y - 28n just an hour ago! :eek:

Anubis_AF
07-12-04, 20:21
I really hope Yes wins. Although it seems impossible. :(

Thorn
07-12-04, 21:28
I'm wondering where those 9 people came from in such a short time. http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/privateeye.gif

Draco
08-12-04, 02:46
I think the poll question does not accurately depict what we are voting on. People won't know it is just text sigs till the read all the way back here.

andromeda_eats
08-12-04, 03:52
Good point Eric. I voted no because I thought it was about image sigs, but Im a yes for text sigs. But I think we'll get a text sig trial anyway. http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/wave.gif

ELEN
08-12-04, 09:38
Draco, we will find a mid-way. Since there are many members that want signatures, we will start with the text ones. I guess both parties will be pleased http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/smile.gif

tlr online
08-12-04, 15:07
This poll has now closed. The "no's" have it with 40 votes. Since the result was close, Elen, I and our moderating team will sit down and discuss viable alternatives.

Mark Garcia
09-12-04, 17:25
I guess I'm late. http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/redface.gif

Anyway, if my vote counts, I'd like to have images signatures on the forum, but without abuse of them. Put a limit of pixels would be the best idea IMO, like the TRF banner (369x75 px), and also put a limit of kilobytes. If the forum software doesn't support this feature, it could appear in the Terms and Conditions of the board. Let your mind express itself. Sometimes an image is better than 1,000 words. ;)

Cato
09-12-04, 18:29
*Sniff* I never got to vote. :(

Apofiss
10-12-04, 17:36
Well if Elen, tlr online and moderating team will sit down and discuss viable alternatives, then I would vote for TEXT signatures! (YES) http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/c-3.gif