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Nicky
08-12-04, 22:22
"Beckham Nativity" Outrages Churches

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Church leaders have condemned a Christmas nativity tableau depicting soccer star David Beckham as Joseph and his pop singer wife Victoria as the Virgin Mary. Tony Blair and U.S. President George W. Bush also starred as two of The Three Wise Men at the birth of Christ.

Anglicans, Catholics and Presbyterians united in calling the exhibit -- at Madame Tussaud's waxwork museum in London -- a new low in the cult of celebrity worship.

In the tableau, Australian pop star Kylie Minogue also hovers above the crib as an angel, while "Posh Spice" Victoria lays her shawled head tenderly on Beckham's shoulder. The shepherds are played by Hollywood star Samuel L. Jackson, actor Hugh Grant and camp Irish comic Graham Norton.

The Vatican was not amused. "This is worse than bad taste. It is cheap," an official Vatican source told Reuters in Rome. "You cannot use contemporary personalities as the central figures of the nativity ... And it becomes worse, if that were possible, if the people may be of questionable moral standing," he added.

He said it was sometimes acceptable to use modern figures in the supporting roles because it can help make Christmas contemporary -- but not the central characters. In Naples, for example, famous figures like Argentine soccer star Diego Maradona have been depicted as shepherds.

A spokesman for Archbishop of Canterbury Rowan Williams, spiritual leader of 70 million Anglicans worldwide, reacted with weary resignation to the "Posh and Becks" tableau. "There is a tradition of each generation trying to re-interpret the nativity but, Oh Dear..," he said.

Paul Handley, editor of the Anglican Church Times, thought the tableau was "just pathetic." "It is yet another sign that people feel they can play around with sacred things," he told Reuters. "God is not going to worry. He is going to cope -- but it is a bit depressing."

The Reverend Rod Thomas, spokesman for the conservative evangelical grouping Reform, told Reuters, the scene was a case of exploiting Christian symbols without any understanding. "Would they do the same thing for a depiction of a major event in the Muslim faith?" he asked.

The Presbyterian Church was also forthright: "The waxwork will cause offence to many and should be pulled down."

The Beckhams were unaware of the museum's plans to depict them in a nativity, a spokesman for the couple told Reuters.

Madame Tussaud's apologised for any offence caused, but insisted the tableau was intended as a tongue-in-cheek way of bringing the nativity to a wider audience.

"We are not suggesting for one minute these celebrities actually represent the biblical characters themselves and we are sorry if it has been misconstrued as such," a statement said.

A spokeswoman added the scene would remain unchanged until January 3 due to a largely positive response from the public since its opening on Monday. "Yes, we have had criticism, but the vast majority are taking it in the spirit intended. They love it."

Source: Yahoo! News (http://uk.news.yahoo.com/041208/80/f85us.html)

andromeda_eats
09-12-04, 05:32
I agree totally. Have celebrities as supporting roles, sure. Hugh Grant is a sexy shepherd.

But to depict Victoria Beckham as the Virgin Mary is totally uncouth. What a display of disrespect and arrogance. *shakes head sadly*

And why on earth is George W Bush playing one of the wise men? http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/silent.gif

spence
09-12-04, 08:35
Oh boy, wait til this hits the tabloids.

I'm sure Madame Tussaud's did not mean any harm, but it can be very harmful to missuse or misrepresent religious symbols in such a way.

I personally think it to be in bad taste. :(

SMSL
09-12-04, 08:36
Originally posted by andromeda_eats:
And why on earth is George W Bush playing one of the wise men? http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/silent.gif Hum... to see if people buy it? :D

Capt. Murphy
09-12-04, 16:09
You may find this surprising but I find it funny. In a "I can't believe they did that" sort of way. "Uh-O-o-o-o-oh!" :eek:

I almost wonder. What did they use for Baby Jesus? A Soccer Ball? http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/sick.gif

Okay. I like George Bush but I just have to throw this one in here to entertain the rest of you.

Bush and Blair were there. That makes 2, but there was a third taller, paler man with them. Why? Bush brought Frankenstein. http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif

If you don't get that...

Gold, Frankincense, and Myrrh were brought to baby Jesus. But George thought it was supposed to be Frankenstein. :rolleyes: Yeah, that was dumb.

Lemmie
09-12-04, 17:19
I think it's obscene! What total disregard of people's religious beliefs! :mad:

bumb1ebee
09-12-04, 18:08
The Reverend Rod Thomas, spokesman for the conservative evangelical grouping Reform, told Reuters, the scene was a case of exploiting Christian symbols without any understanding. "Would they do the same thing for a depiction of a major event in the Muslim faith?" he asked. Who knows... but I've heard about someone sitting on Buddha in a movie poster recently. The world's not against Christianity like they try to make it seem.

I do think people have the right to do this if they wanted, but not so publicly since it offends so many people. And wow, the wax figures look so real :eek:

Cato
09-12-04, 19:25
-__- Really bad taste.

97jenn
10-12-04, 13:30
Unbelievably rude, imo!! :mad:

ELEN
10-12-04, 19:13
This is ridiculous!!! They would do anything in order to get some money!!! Even by humiliting a religion. Ok, they don't believe. I respect that. But they have to respect all the other who believe. The same would happen if Beckham appeared as Allah :mad:

Neteru
10-12-04, 19:50
By 'they' do you mean Madame Tussauds or the Beckhams?

In either event, I see this as no different to children in a nativity play. In both cases they are humans (real or replica) portraying saints.

I also happen to think this is more a social commentary upon the 'new gods' of the media age.

ELEN
10-12-04, 20:01
Net, I meant Madame Tussauds. And the children (and their teachers) do that for good reason. I mean they celebrate Christ's birth with a pure feeling, same like Christ who was pure. There is no profit for what they do. I could congratulate those at Madame Tussauds' for the stunning appearance of the popular people, but don't you think that the whole concept is cheap? Blair and Bush as wise men??!!?? They must be ****ing kidding us! It's obvious they are foolling us, by providing an ironic message.

Neteru
10-12-04, 20:20
Well I tend to think, as stated, that what Tussauds have done is a social commentary, and a very powerful one at that. Yes, I've little doubt their motivation was to get people through the doors and make more money. But for me, that doesn't negate the validity of the message I see in the display.

I think it says 'Behold your gods' and should give people pause for thought - 'Do we really want to place these people so high in our estimation?' For me, that can only be a good thing.

[ 10. December 2004, 21:23: Message edited by: Neteru ]

Anubis_AF
10-12-04, 20:27
Originally posted by ELEN:
Net, I meant Madame Tussauds. And the children (and their teachers) do that for good reason. I mean they celebrate Christ's birth with a pure feeling, same like Christ who was pure. There is no profit for what they do. I could congratulate those at Madame Tussauds' for the stunning appearance of the popular people, but don't you think that the whole concept is cheap? Blair and Bush as wise men??!!?? They must be ****ing kidding us! It's obvious they are foolling us, by providing an ironic message.Amen.

SMSL
10-12-04, 20:52
Originally posted by Neteru:
I think it says 'Behold your gods' and should give people pause for thought - 'Do we really want to place these people so high in our estimation?' For me, that can only be a good thing.I agree. I look at it like that too and not as it trying to be offensive.

ELEN
10-12-04, 21:04
Originally posted by Neteru:

I think it says 'Behold your gods' and should give people pause for thought - 'Do we really want to place these people so high in our estimation?'Probably you are right. It could also be this...

Anubis_AF
10-12-04, 21:17
Originally posted by Nicky:


The Beckhams were unaware of the museum's plans to depict them in a nativity, a spokesman for the couple told Reuters.

Yea right! http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/clown.gif http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/clown.gif http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/clown.gif