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Lara_Fan_33
04-04-10, 01:05
He likes to watch. That's pretty much it. :cln:
oh :p i understand now :) (looking back on that post now its really obvious)
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4821212/Miranda__s_mAss_by_snp19.png ;)
Lara_Fan_33
04-04-10, 02:28
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4821212/Miranda__s_mAss_by_snp19.png ;)
:vlol:
that butt might not be a girls :whi:
miss.haggard
04-04-10, 02:28
:cool:
tranniversary119
04-04-10, 02:39
I think it's perfectly normal for a straight guy or a straight girl to find the opposite sex "attractive". But if you want to engage in sexual relations, then I suppose you could consider yourself bisexual or gay. But it really doesn't matter anyway. I've always found both sexes attractive (equally) but I lean towards females. Does this make me Bisexual? Nah, I'm myself. I can do whatever I want I don't have to jump into a label and then follow through with it.
Lara_Fan_33
04-04-10, 02:43
to be perfectly honest, i think every person has a minor attraction to the same sex, in my change room at school, you should see it. All the guys glance at each others butts at least once, and they try to be descrete about it, but not descrete enough :mis: because i notice, and i very rarely am like, wow that guys pretty attractive (not sexually obviously), but for the most part, girls are the way to go for me :)
Melonie Tomb Raider
04-04-10, 02:50
Oh gosh, I find other women extremely attractive, and even sexy. However, the thought of engaging in sexual activity with another female just grosses me out, it's not my cut of tea, and I don't want any part of that. :p
I guess an easier way to phrase it is that I find women attractive, but not appealing.
Men, on the other hand.... :whi: :cln:
^^ lol. I experamented some today... :pi:
I'm Still unsure. :confused:
Lara_Fan_33
04-04-10, 03:11
^^ lol. I experamented some today... :pi:
I'm Still unsure. :confused:
what do you mean "experimented"?
what do you mean "experimented"?
I kissed a guy. I'm not sure if i liked it though... I liked my experience with a girl better, but still unsure, because some of the guys at my school are sexy to me... Very confusing indeed.
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4821212/Miranda__s_mAss_by_snp19.png ;) Gay
Oh my! :eek:
Lara_Fan_33
04-04-10, 04:30
Oh my! :eek:
tony did you add the gay in white? :smk: i didnt see it before lol
Straight.
And the "Other" option scares me... really.
to be perfectly honest, i think every person has a minor attraction to the same sex, in my change room at school, you should see it. All the guys glance at each others butts at least once, and they try to be descrete about it, but not descrete enough :mis: because i notice, and i very rarely am like, wow that guys pretty attractive (not sexually obviously), but for the most part, girls are the way to go for me :)
I've looked at my classmates' tools for comparative purposes (You know, you're at the begining of puberty and you're not quite sure if your penis is "normal") but I never looked at their asses.
I've got no problems with admitting that a guy is good-looking, that doesn't make me gay or bi, last time I checked good looks had nothing to do with sexual intercourse. Just because I think it's good looking doesn't mean I wanna have sex with it.
hitnrun017
04-04-10, 05:13
I lean a lot more towards women-folk but I've never been one to rule anything out so I voted bi. When it comes to finding someone I like, gender is not the first thing I care about.
NemesisxAngelus
04-04-10, 07:10
Me too. :D
Ah so this makes me finally deciding up what to vote. Right another asexual here who finds any party attractive but values a good convo above all :wve:
100% Straight.
NOBODY on the world is 100% straight
dinoslayer
04-04-10, 07:36
NOBODY on the world is 100% straight
Agreed. Sexuality is much more complicated than that. :p
!Lara Croft!
04-04-10, 07:44
I dont know yet...
NOBODY on the world is 100% straight
Says who?
Gay here :)
Edit: How come I end up starting a new page again! 6th times in the same day! O.o
Says who?
Statistics, scientists, people ... just everything. Trust me nobody on the world is 100% straight. And it' doesn't mean you want to have something with the same gender.
Statistics, scientists, people ... just everything. Trust me nobody on the world is 100% straight. And it' doesn't mean you want to have something with the same gender.
I would disagree, there are people who would be 100% straight; all varying degrees are possible.
I would disagree, there are people who would be 100% straight; all varying degrees are possible.
NOBODY on the world is 100% straigh, nobody is 100% gay and nobody is 100% bi. And I have nothing more to say. That is it.
Acually Lukas is right. No one can't be 100% straight, 100% gay or 100% bi. But that's not the subject of this thread. C'mon people
chop- chop
adventurerLara
04-04-10, 10:04
I think it's perfectly normal for a straight guy or a straight girl to find the opposite sex "attractive". But if you want to engage in sexual relations, then I suppose you could consider yourself bisexual or gay. But it really doesn't matter anyway. I've always found both sexes attractive (equally) but I lean towards females. Does this make me Bisexual? Nah, I'm myself. I can do whatever I want I don't have to jump into a label and then follow through with it.
An interesting point. In my case, I am only sexually attracted to women but I can appreciate when a man is attractive, nothing more, however I don't consider myself bisexual. Evidently, the same applies to straight people. I truly believe sexuality is specific to an individual and, to an extent, can't be defined in an one-size-fits-all label.
NOBODY on the world is 100% straightSome people are. I would consider myself 100% straight and I know many others who would as well. Stop trying to tell people their sexuality. Not everyone is "bisexual to some degree".
Some people are straight, get over it.
CroftGameGirl
04-04-10, 12:06
Some people are. I would consider myself 100% straight and I know many others who would as well. Stop trying to tell people their sexuality. Not everyone is "bisexual to some degree".
Some people are straight, get over it.
I agree :confused:
One can be 100% gay, no?
For example, say a man claims to be 100% gay (just an example), he could be; he could simply detest women.
I understand what you're trying to say, but it is possible :confused:
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As for me, I honestly have no idea, should I just put 'Other'? :p
Chocola teapot
04-04-10, 12:08
None of your buisnesses regardless! :p
dinoslayer
04-04-10, 12:08
Some people are. I would consider myself 100% straight and I know many others who would as well. Stop trying to tell people their sexuality. Not everyone is "bisexual to some degree".
Some people are straight, get over it.
have you taken some sort of test to come to the conclusion that you're 100% straight? maybe a small percentage of you likes men how are you to know?
CroftGameGirl
04-04-10, 12:09
None of your buisnesses regardless! :p
Awww, c'mon, Jack :mis: :whi:
Straight, but let me ask something, how did you people become bisexual? What is the cause of it?
have you taken some sort of test to come to the conclusion that you're 100% straight? maybe a small percentage of you likes men how are you to know?I've never found myself attracted to another man. That leads me to believe I'm "100% straight". Why assume something different when I have nothing to suggest otherwise?
dinoslayer
04-04-10, 12:24
I've never found myself attracted to another man. That leads me to believe I'm "100% straight". Why assume something different when I have nothing to suggest otherwise?
some people convert later into life from straight to gay so how could they be 100% straight if they converted?
@abc123 were jus born like that :p
Chocola teapot
04-04-10, 12:25
Well No-one knows Tony's sexuality more than himself, Lets leave it at that.
If he's sure of it, he's sure.
some people convert later into life from straight to gay so how could they be 100% straight if they converted?Well I'm 16 (almost 17 now) and I've found myself both emotionally and sexually attracted to girls for several years and as I said I've had no feelings for men before. I don't think I'll be "converting". As Chocolate teapot said, nobody knows my sexuality better than me. Why are you trying to tell me things about myself?
dinoslayer
04-04-10, 12:35
Well I'm 16 (almost 17 now) and I've found myself both emotionally and sexually attracted to girls for several years and as I said I've had no feelings for men before. I don't think I'll be "converting". As Chocolate teapot said, nobody knows my sexuality better than me. Why are you trying to tell me things about myself?
but no one knows their full sexuality....
it isn't just black and white. ;)
Well I'm 16 (almost 17 now) and I've found myself both emotionally and sexually attracted to girls for several years and as I said I've had no feelings for men before. I don't think I'll be "converting". As Chocolate teapot said, nobody knows my sexuality better than me. Why are you trying to tell me things about myself?
Ehm...wait. When I told nobody is 100% straight it doesn't mean you must have a sex with men or you have to dreaming about them. Of course you want only girls and you are able feel love and make love with girl for whole your life but it still doesn't mean you're 100% straight. Because NOBODY is 100% straight, gay or bi.
but no one knows their full sexuality....
it isn't just black and white. ;):rolleyes:
You just wont accept it will you?
I'm not speaking for anyone else all I'm talking about is me and how I feel. Since you don't even know me you're in no position to try and tell me things about my sexuality.
Why do some people have such a hard time accepting that some people are exclusively attracted to only one sex?
Ehm...wait. When I told nobody is 100% straight it doesn't mean you must have a sex with men or you have to dreaming about them. Of course you want only girls and you are able feel love and make love with girl for whole your life but it still doesn't mean you're 100% straight. Because NOBODY is 100% straight, gay or bi.That doesn't even make sense, especially that last part.
dinoslayer
04-04-10, 12:39
:rolleyes:
You just wont accept it will you?
I'm not speaking for anyone else all I'm talking about is me and how I feel. Since you don't even know me you're in no position to try and tell me things about my sexuality.
Why do some people have such a hard time accepting that some people are exclusively attracted to only one sex?
That doesn't even make sense, especially that last part.
what ever floats your boat :whi:
That doesn't even make sense, especially that last part.
It makes sense. If you're 100% straight, then you're the only one on the world.
It makes sense. If you're 100 straight, then you're the only one on the world.That's funny, because there are lots of people I know who would consider themselves "100% straight". Obviously I don't know how they feel but why question their judgement when nobody knows them better than themselves? There are probably many gay people who are "100% gay" too.
Ward Dragon
04-04-10, 12:44
If this thread turns into an argument about someone else's sexuality then it's time to close the thread.
dinoslayer
04-04-10, 12:44
It makes sense. If you're 100% straight, then you're the only one on the world.
let it go. i think he's afraid of being verified with gay or bi people in any way :whi:
That's funny, because there are lots of people I know who would consider themselves "100% straight". Obviously I don't know how they feel but why question their judgement when nobody knows them better than themselves? There are probably many gay people who are "100% gay" too.
I am gay and I know so many gays people uncluding lesbians and no-onw of them including me is not 100% gay. Have to say I love my boyfriend I don't want to be without him, I can't imagine it. But still I'm not 100% gay :)
let it go. i think he's afraid of being verified with gay or bi people in any way :whi:Whatever floats your boat. :wve:
If this thread turns into an argument about someone else's sexuality then it's time to close the thread.
What's wrong to explain him that nobody is 100% gay, straight or bi. I see no reason to close this thread to be honest. It's only disscusion no fighting :)
What's wrong to explain him that nobody is 100% gay, straight or bi. I see no reason to close this thread to be honest. It's only disscusion no fighting :)What's also wrong is that you try to pass off your opinion as fact.
Ward Dragon
04-04-10, 12:52
What's wrong to explain him that nobody is 100% gay, straight or bi. I see no reason to close this thread to be honest. It's only disscusion no fighting :)
You're lecturing somebody else telling him his sexuality is not what he says it is. Just accept that he's the only one qualified to speak about his own sexuality and leave it at that :)
Lara Fan 4Life
04-04-10, 12:52
^ I think that was for Dinoslayer's posts towards Tony!
Also, if you feel and accept you're gay, then you're gay! Same goes for being Bi and straight, no percentage about it!
Ward Dragon
04-04-10, 12:54
^ I think that was for Dinoslayer's posts towards Tony!
It was for the whole thing -- I didn't see anything productive coming out of the argument so I wanted to stop it before it turned ugly.
Also, if you feel and accept you're gay, then you're gay! Same goes for being Bi and straight, no percentage about it!
Exactly :tmb:
Psychos'Я'Us
04-04-10, 12:55
What's also wrong is that you try to pass off your opinion as fact.
Exactly.
You're generalizing. There are people who are comfortable with their sexuality and have no doubt that they are "100%" gay, straight or bi.
Exactly.
You're generalizing. There are people who are comfortable with their sexuality and have no doubt that they are "100%" gay, straight or bi.
Well I've never had sexual feelings towards anyone of the opposite gender, so by my assumption, that makes me 100% gay. Which I'm very comfortable with, I am as I am, I can't change it, nor do I want to.
Biology
Actually all they've proved is that people are born either, Gay, Straight or Bi.
Though I don't believe that it's Genetic, though some say it is. Since there was a study on twins, and not always did both twins have the same sexuality.
^ Let's not turn this into a gay gene thread.. :eek:
I know for a fact I was born gay as a side note.
I know for a fact I was born gay as a side note.What do you mean by that exactly? Do you mean homosexuality is something that is with you from birth or that you knew when you were born? :p Just wondering.
Actually all they've proved is that people are born either, Gay, Straight or Bi.
Though I don't believe that it's Genetic, though some say it is. Since there was a study on twins, and not always did both twins have the same sexuality.
The mistake is looking at sexuality in such absolute terms when NOBODY can be 100% any of them. Straight people may not normally see someone from the same sex attractive, but in certain situations it is certainly possible. Gay people are no different, just reversed on that. Bisexual people rarely have a perfect balance of attraction and desire between the two, they tend to lean one way or the other, just at less of a severe degree than gay and straight people.
I consider myself straight, but that doesn't mean I can claim to be 100% Straight.
miss.haggard
04-04-10, 15:43
100% Awesome.
Carbonek_0051
04-04-10, 15:44
100% Awesome.
+ Awesome
miss.haggard
04-04-10, 15:45
+ Awesome
So am I 101% awesome now?
So am I 101% awesome now?
No, you lose 1% for accepting EU as canon :p
Sgt BOMBULOUS
04-04-10, 15:56
The mistake is looking at sexuality in such absolute terms when NOBODY can be 100% any of them. Straight people may not normally see someone from the same sex attractive, but in certain situations it is certainly possible. Gay people are no different, just reversed on that. Bisexual people rarely have a perfect balance of attraction and desire between the two, they tend to lean one way or the other, just at less of a severe degree than gay and straight people.
I consider myself straight, but that doesn't mean I can claim to be 100% Straight.
I'm surprised no one brought this up:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/52/Kinsey_Scale.gif
Males do not represent two discrete populations, heterosexual and homosexual. The world is not to be divided into sheep and goats. It is a fundamental of taxonomy that nature rarely deals with discrete categories... The living world is a continuum in each and every one of its aspects.
While emphasizing the continuity of the gradations between exclusively heterosexual and exclusively homosexual histories, it has seemed desirable to develop some sort of classification which could be based on the relative amounts of heterosexual and homosexual experience or response in each history... An individual may be assigned a position on this scale, for each period in his life.... A seven-point scale comes nearer to showing the many gradations that actually exist.
Related article (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinsey_scale).
I'd use a bell curve over that, but neither end is 100%. More like 99.9%.
miss.haggard
04-04-10, 16:02
No, you lose 1% for accepting EU as canon :p
RAGGGGEEEEEEEE!!!! Lets not bring the canon fight here David.
But then you're also an awesome chick who likes Star Wars, so I give you an extra 20% bonus for that
There needs to be more women into SW
Laney is 100% Sith :p
Speaking of fights, why can't we have one LGBT-themed thread without the inevitable "born with/no choice v. chosen/choice" argument? Just let people be what they're comfortable with being, it doesn't matter if you think it's their choice or not. :o
Speaking of fights, why can't we have one LGBT-themed thread without the inevitable "born with/no choice v. chosen/choice" argument? Just let people be what they're comfortable with being, it doesn't matter if you think it's their choice or not. :o
Ooooooh can you imagine the nastiness and *****iness in such a thread!
Speaking of fights, why can't we have one LGBT-themed thread without the inevitable "born with/no choice v. chosen/choice" argument? Just let people be what they're comfortable with being, it doesn't matter if you think it's their choice or not. :o
Totally agree. Every single thread we had about this subject always end in some sort of debate about choice, acceptation, religion... It's a shame. =/
As for the 100% straght/homo thing... I don't really see myself having sex or being attracted to a woman. I've always been attracted to men... And a woman just doesn't attract me, I can tell one is beautiful or sexy, but I don't see myself doing more. I can even say that when a woman is too much exposed, it somehow turns me off... So how could I have some sort of percentage left that would means I can be a bit straight?
And since when we started to incorporate numbers and statistics on human beings?
Straight.
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Minty Mouth
04-04-10, 16:27
Totally agree. Every single thread we had about this subject always end in some sort of debate about choice, acceptation, religion... It's a shame. =/
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What else is there to talk about over the issue? How would a LGBT thread be any different from open Chat?
Totally agree. Every single thread we had about this subject always end in some sort of debate about choice, acceptation, religion... It's a shame. =/
As for the 100% straght/homo thing... I don't really see myself having sex or being attracted to a woman. I've always been attracted to men... And a woman just doesn't attract me, I can tell one is beautiful or sexy, but I don't see myself doing more. I can even say that when a woman is too much exposed, it somehow turns me off... So how could I have some sort of percentage left that would means I can be a bit straight?
And since when we started to incorporate numbers and statistics on human beings?
I don't see myself being attracted to a man, but I will not say its impossible. Typically the '100%' crowd are just mentally blocking any other inclination.
ccroft2003
04-04-10, 16:31
:gay::tmb:
Straight, but let me ask something, how did you people become bisexual? What is the cause of it?
Become bisexual? During puberty, when all those lovely secondary sexual hormones started turning me from a girl into a woman :p I didn't go from straight/gay to bisexual - I've always admired both men and women (with an emphasis on women, I have to confess :whi:)
I don't see myself being attracted to a man, but I will not say its impossible. Typically the '100%' crowd are just mentally blocking any other inclination.
You have a way with semanthics. To say that we're "mentally blocking" is just a way of explaining the "why", it doesn't mean you can change that person with a snap of your fingers.
IceColdLaraCroft
04-04-10, 16:52
:gay::tmb:
we know and you're HOT :)
TippingWater
04-04-10, 17:09
Gay , Straight , Bisexual , Black , White ..etc. .why should it matter ? In the end death will have it's way , and kiss us all :ton: . Peace out ! :):wve:
Dina_Croft
04-04-10, 17:13
Straight.
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Hahaaaaa:vlol:
dinoslayer
04-04-10, 17:18
Straight.
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FIXED! :mis:
:p
Gay , Straight , Bisexual , Black , White ..etc. .why should it matter ? In the end death will have it's way , and kiss us all :ton: . Peace out ! :):wve:
so you can know who you're banging. it would be very embarssing if I hit on a guy and he turn out to be str8...I'll come back and hunt YOU.
What else is there to talk about over the issue? How would a LGBT thread be any different from open Chat?
There is a difference between discussing sexual orientation or turn the thread into personnal debate with dangerous arguments ("You're not the 100% Gay/Bi/Straight, admit it!!!", "Homosexuality is a sin and a choice, it's your problem if you do not agree with a fact" "God hates gays"...), these kind of debates tend to be taken too personally and often result into flamewar or the thread being locked... Not everybody is open minded here.
Straight! Guys are awesome in Every way :D
You have a way with semanthics. To say that we're "mentally blocking" is just a way of explaining the "why", it doesn't mean you can change that person with a snap of your fingers.
Yes, I do have a way with words. I didn't figure you for the kind of person to completely misunderstand them though.
Straight! Guys are awesome in Every way :D
A bit contradictory... O.o
Nenya awakens
04-04-10, 18:23
Straight female?
TippingWater
04-04-10, 18:24
Straight female?
Probably .
A bit contradictory... O.o
Nope cuz I'm a female. Well, more of a tomboy if that explains it better.
Your_Envy*
04-04-10, 18:24
A bit contradictory... O.o
Really? If she is a girl and likes guys, is that a contradictory? O.O
Oh woops, I didn't think about the "being female" possibility... Sorry I'm -really- tired x)
Way to make a fool of myself.
I'll say it.
FAIL.
ccroft2003
04-04-10, 18:46
Well i have to say that i've come across many "straight" men (some of whom are now married and when i say many i mean at least 10) who after a few pints have been more than happy to "cross the boundaries"!!!! So thats why i don't believe that anyone is really 100% straight, gay etc etc.
oocladableeblah
04-04-10, 18:46
Straight
Well i have to say that i've come across many "straight" men (some of whom are now married and when i say many i mean at least 10) who after a few pints have been more than happy to "cross the boundaries"!!!! So thats why i don't believe that anyone is really 100% straight, gay etc etc.
Interesting that you say that...however, I think physical experimentation is much different than an emotional connection. A straight person could wonder or "try out" a person of the same sex but that doesn't mean they like them on a romantic level. Ofcourse there's the whole "grey area" but I personally never felt any romantic feelings for another female. I've only felt it for males so I consider myself straight.
Interesting that you say that...however, I think physical experimentation is much different than an emotional connection. A straight person could wonder or "try out" a person of the same sex but that doesn't mean they like them on a romantic level. Ofcourse there's the whole "grey area" but I personally never felt any romantic feelings for another female. I've only felt it for males so I consider myself straight.
And how often are romantic feelings necessary? I mean, I know guys and girls both that have sex with people they don't 'feel anything for'.
Well i have to say that i've come across many "straight" men (some of whom are now married and when i say many i mean at least 10) who after a few pints have been more than happy to "cross the boundaries"!!!! So thats why i don't believe that anyone is really 100% straight, gay etc etc.That's called the effects of excessive alcohol consumption.
That's called the effects of excessive alcohol consumption.
Which lower your inhibitions, which you might be surprised to know are mental blocks you build up to keep you from doing things you normally wouldn't. Inhibitions aren't instinctual and have nothing to do with your sexuality. Or are you implying they do and thus making sexuality a choice?
That's called the effects of excessive alcohol consumption.
Second that. Drunks can barf, then sleep with their face in that, drown in a small basin of water (falling asleep face down there as well), etc, etc... Yet that doesn't mean the behaviour more fitting a pig is native to the whole mankind. The same applies to unconscious opening of two-way traffic where not supposed ;)
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Is keeping balance also a sort of "inhibition" then? :rolleyes:
Second that. Drunks can barf, then sleep with their face in that, drown in a small basin of water (falling asleep face down there as well), etc, etc... Yet that doesn't mean the behaviour more fitting a pig is native to the whole mankind. The same applies to unconscious opening of two-way traffic where not supposed ;)
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Is keeping balance also a sort of "inhibition" then? :rolleyes:
Maybe you should just not say anything. You butcher the language in your attempts to sound more intelligent.
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And how often are romantic feelings necessary? I mean, I know guys and girls both that have sex with people they don't 'feel anything for'.
Isn't that just lust. People can lust for almost anything, even have fetishes.
Someone that's straight would only feel romantic feelings for someone of the opposite sex.
A gay person only has romantic feelings for someone of the same sex. And a bi person feels both. An asexual feels none, no crushes, "butterflies", or tantilizing stares.
A straight person wouldn't feel it for Everyone of the opposite sex, but they have felt it for a few.
Melonie Tomb Raider
04-04-10, 19:29
Well i have to say that i've come across many "straight" men (some of whom are now married and when i say many i mean at least 10) who after a few pints have been more than happy to "cross the boundaries"!!!! So thats why i don't believe that anyone is really 100% straight, gay etc etc.
I honestly don't think it's our place to tell people what they are or aren't, they know that more than anyone else. If someone says they are 100% gay or 100% straight, they're probably right.
I consider myself 100% straight. I've never had any sexual encounters with another girl, nor do I ever want to. I'm attracted to men in a completely different way than I am women. :p
Isn't that just lust. People can lust for almost anything, even have fetishes.
Someone that's straight would only feel romantic feelings for someone of the opposite sex.
A gay person only has romantic feelings for someone of the same sex. And a bi person feels both. An asexual feels none, no crushes, "butterflies", or tantilizing stares.
A straight person wouldn't feel it for Everyone of the opposite sex, but they have felt it for a few.
So you draw a completely different line in the sand.
If two guys that are 'straight' have sex with each other, but don't have romantic feelings, they are still straight?
I don't really buy that sorry.
I've never had any sexual encounters with another girl, nor do I ever want to.
I thought you haven't had any sexual encounters with anyone yet?
So you draw a completely different line in the sand.
If two guys that are 'straight' have sex with each other, but don't have romantic feelings, they are still straight?
I don't really buy that sorry.Depends. They might've been forced into it.
Capt. Murphy
04-04-10, 19:36
I think they're trying to say that anyone that has a sexual relationship with another person should at least have romantic feelings towards one another.
IMO; If there's no romantic feelings between 2 people having sex - they're just in it for the physical feeling without the emotional connection. Like a John and a Hooker. The 'John' is in it for the feeling, the hooker is in it for the money to buy crack or whatever. :(
Catapharact
04-04-10, 19:37
So you draw a completely different line in the sand.
If two guys that are 'straight' have sex with each other, but don't have romantic feelings, they are still straight?
I don't really buy that sorry.
Well Esconder gave a perfectly good example of judgement imparement. For all you know, the guy thought the other dude was a girl Lol!
Keeping theories aside, I think people are confusing admiration for someone of the same sex with sexual feelings. I don't think an innocent statement like "yeah he is built like a brick house" or "she looks pretty" constitues as a statement indicating sexual inclination. Admiration of traits (astetically focused or not) could very well be a desire for self-improvement.
So you draw a completely different line in the sand.
If two guys that are 'straight' have sex with each other, but don't have romantic feelings, they are still straight?
I don't really buy that sorry.
Most of today's society would deem them gay, hell, two guys can't even hug without being called gay.
What if two girls that are straight do it with eachother? Same with the two guys, if they feel nothing romantic then it was purely lust.
We differ on the subject. I agree to disagree.
Done :wve:
http://i663.photobucket.com/albums/uu358/tony9595/Requests/Clipboard01-41.jpg
It was really pale, so I added some color to make it look better :tmb:
I seriously want to use this as my avatar O.o
Hmmm I can look at anyone and think how attractive they are but sex doesn't raise its head at all. I can see totally inanimate objects as beautiful...scenary or a flower....just because we can appreciate beauty doesn't mean we have sexual feelings towards it. I think the waters are being muddied here between appreciation and lust.
Your_Envy*
04-04-10, 19:43
Not again please... =_="
I second that.
Depends. They might've been forced into it.
...
Capt. Murphy
04-04-10, 19:49
They wouldn't be gay.
So you could be forced into having sex with a guy?
Capt. Murphy
04-04-10, 20:00
So you could be forced into having sex with a guy?
Have you ever seen the movie Deliverance?
So you could be forced into having sex with a guy?Of course. It's not likely, but some sick twisted person could easily grab two other men and hold them at gunpoint and force them to perform sexual acts on each other.
Plenty of male rape in prisons.
xXhayleyroxXx
04-04-10, 20:04
Plenty of male rape in prisons.
indeed :) it's well known guys should bring vaseline with them!
Plenty of male rape in prisons.
This
Plenty of male rape in prisons.
in armies aswel
Have you ever seen the movie Deliverance?
That was a work of fiction last I checked.
Of course. It's not likely, but some sick twisted person could easily grab two other men and hold them at gunpoint and force them to perform sexual acts on each other.
I couldn't be forced to have sex with another man, even at gunpoint. :pi:
Plenty of male rape in prisons.
Which has at least one willing participant, not zero.
in armies aswel
Lol? Which army would that be?
Depends. They might've been forced into it.
There's GFP (Gay For Pay). I think it's stupid and something more or less near the lines of prostitution.
I couldn't be forced to have sex with another man, even at gunpoint. :pi:I wasn't talking about you. I was just saying that could happen to two random people. In fact, it's probably happened many times in the past.
Bisexual, but leaning more toward the homosexual side of the table.
I wasn't talking about you. I was just saying that could happen to two random people. In fact, it's probably happened many times in the past.
It is entirely beside the point regardless. Two men having sex willingly, can't be straight.
There's GFP (Gay For Pay). I think it's stupid and something more or less near the lines of prostitution.
Even still, if you're willing to have sex with a member of your own gender, regardless of the presence of compensation, you must have some homosexual fantasies, curiosities, or interests.
James_Rutland
04-04-10, 22:03
I'm surprised by the poll results!
Even still, if you're willing to have sex with a member of your own gender, regardless of the presence of compensation, you must have some homosexual fantasies, curiosities, or interests.
True but I only thought of that because of this - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQensCD7xcE :/
Re: the current raging debate, I would say that the link between sexuality and aesthetic appreciation is quite a tenuous one; obviously it has some implications, but a guy or a girl commenting that someone of the same sex is attractive does not immediately imply homosexuality, as others have said before.
I think sexuality is a complex and many layered thing that is not at all simple and includes criteria such as physical attraction, emotional empathy, social surroundings and so on. And analogous behaviours between cultures can be interpreted quite differently - for example, in Western countries, men who have sex with men are pretty much deemed to be gay. However, in countries like Egypt and Tunisia, some men will engage freely in sex with each other but will not think of themselves as homosexual, and a gay culture and lifestyle is almost unheard of throughout the Middle East and North Africa.
Sexuality is also quite fluid and ambiguous; I have two (male) friends who are extremely close, and often make jokes in which the concept of the two of them being a gay couple is the main subject, despite being in firmly heterosexual relationships. Another guy I knew several times intimated to me that he was bi-sexual, but later on said he was straight (which was a shame, for me at least...) In another example, I am currently living with two women who used to be in a relationship; one now has a boyfriend.
Of course, I haven't given any of this very close examination because, well, it's none of my business. I trust people to know who they are themselves without my speculating on it too much. I would certainly never apply a category to anyone, because I don't think I can ever know someone that fully to make a judgement.
Uzi master
04-04-10, 23:22
It is entirely beside the point regardless. Two men having sex willingly, can't be straight.
Well, I can think of a situation, but I don't get how a poll turned into this question.
IceColdLaraCroft
04-04-10, 23:31
Even still, if you're willing to have sex with a member of your own gender, regardless of the presence of compensation, you must have some homosexual fantasies, curiosities, or interests.
or a couple of blue pills
Im mangosexual.
Or straight, even...
IceColdLaraCroft
04-04-10, 23:41
Im mangosexual.
Or straight, even...
not with that avatar your not ;)
dinoslayer
04-04-10, 23:45
not with that avatar your not ;)
lol :vlol:
taste the rainbow :cool:
Damn gay pride, they took rainbows, now theyre taking llamas?! :(
Uzi master
05-04-10, 00:07
not if Maxis has anything to say about it:p
I thought Maxis went kaput once EA took over.
Uzi master
05-04-10, 00:14
what? they own maxis I think, or sponsor them. Anyway they love llamas, and I think theyre still around
Well, I can think of a situation, but I don't get how a poll turned into this question.
You are welcome to explain further in any case.
Melonie Tomb Raider
05-04-10, 01:43
I thought you haven't had any sexual encounters with anyone yet?
Well I've kissed my ex boyfriend before, and I am sexually attracted to the male species. That's where I'm getting at, mainly. For me, your sexual orientation is just as much in your mind as it is your body.
I do have to agree with you on one thing, though. If two people of the same sex willingly decide to have sexual relations, I would have a hard time considering them straight as well. People do change, however. Some people used to be straight and turn gay; likewise, others used to be gay and turned straight. It's kind of confusing, actually.
Legend 4ever
05-04-10, 04:06
I don't believe in "turning" any sexual orientation. You are who you are, you just might not discover it or embrace it right away.
I'm bi.
Hairhelmet12
05-04-10, 04:20
I Like Men ^_^
Melonie Tomb Raider
05-04-10, 04:28
I don't believe in "turning" any sexual orientation. You are who you are, you just might not discover it or embrace it right away.
I think people can turn. The type of people you are attracted to is all in your mind, I don't think someone is born gay or straight, that's personal preference that can change with influence.
Legend 4ever
05-04-10, 04:29
I think people can turn. The type of people you are attracted to is all in your mind, I don't think someone is born gay or straight, that's personal preference that can change with influence.
What kind of influence? This really smells like all that "It's a lifestyle!" crap.
Tombraiderx08
05-04-10, 04:35
Bi, at the moment, sometimes im not sure if im gay or not :S
AmericanAssassin
05-04-10, 05:06
I find beauty in both genders. Although, I plan on marrying either Angelina Jolie or Jennifer Garner someday. :)
It makes sense. If you're 100% straight, then you're the only one on the world.
I understand where you're coming from, but that is your outlook on it. I don't think, at least when it comes to sexuality, that there is any such thing as being '100% gay' or '100% straight'. You're either gay, or straight (or bisexual or confused). Period. Let's leave number figures out of it. It's not something that should be measured, tbh.
I understand where you're coming from, but that is your outlook on it. I don't think, at least when it comes to sexuality, that there is any such thing as being '100% gay' or '100% straight'. You're either gay, or straight (or bisexual or confused). Period. Let's leave number figures out of it. It's not something that should be measured, tbh.
Of course, but one person wrote he is 100% straight. But it's impossible. And like I said it doesn't mean that boys attrative him. He can has wife, kids, sexual activity only with girls whole his life, never try sex with men and still he is not 100% straight. Nobody is 100% something :)
PS: I've read many books about sexual orientation (new books not old ones) every single sexuologist told nobody is 100% gay, bi or straight.
Hairhelmet12
05-04-10, 07:18
^ Im 99.9.9.9% Gay (Hehe)
I find beauty in both genders. Although, I plan on marrying either Angelina Jolie or Jennifer Garner someday. :)
Awh! Man! There go's My chance's, right out the window. ):
xD
ShadyCroft
05-04-10, 08:46
I think people are confusing this unnecessarily.
I personally don't believe in the whole percentages thing. For me, its just as simple as gay, straight or bi.
Now some people may ask me, how do you determine what you are then ?
In my opinion, sexual orientation is not just about physical attraction only ? Its also about connection as well as sexual aspects.
I do find girls pretty. When a girl passes by that looks like, say, Angelina Jolie, who wouldnt look twice ?
same goes for when a handsome guy passes by. I think most of us can appreciate and like a good combed hair, a nice looking t-shirt, etc
(A lot of people said "OMG! I looked at this guy and thought he had nice eyes...does that make me gay ? :eek:)
The difference is that, when I'm with a girl, I do not connect with her the same I connect with guys. With a guy, I feel myself drawn closer. I find them physically appealing as well as sexually intriguing (meaning the thought of a sexual relationship with them wouldn't not have an affect on me).
With a girl, I do talk to them, tell them they're pretty if they are but this is as far as it goes. I do not want to be drawn closer...actually, I cringe if I do. I feel very uncomfortable when I think of them in a sexual way. But I still hug them of course, comfort them, etc
So that's how it goes for me.
btw, Craig, just because those guys had sex after they got drunk doesn't necessarily mean they have a bit of homosexuality in them.
People have mentioned other examples, being forced in prisons, being forced at gun point, even the oh-so-famous gay for pay.
Hey, if you're desperate, need some cash and dont wanna work for it cause you're lazy then what easier way to do than to have sex for it ?
with a guy ? ah oh ! but you know what...its for the money,and as they say, sometimes you have to grin and bear it.
Edit: I don't like it anyway...I get seriously annoyed when I see some guy who's gay for pay. Yes, buddy, keep doing that and disapproving people will take us the real ones seriously for sure.
Im pretty sure Id be the judge of whether Im 100% straight or not, noone else is.
I dont care about the percentages, I know for a fact Im straight, pure and simple.
I know myself better then anyone else does.
Of course, but one person wrote he is 100% straight. But it's impossible. And like I said it doesn't mean that boys attrative him. He can has wife, kids, sexual activity only with girls whole his life, never try sex with men and still he is not 100% straight. Nobody is 100% something :)
PS: I've read many books about sexual orientation (new books not old ones) every single sexuologist told nobody is 100% gay, bi or straight.Again, stop trying to pass off your opinion as fact. Some people are completely (or 100%) straight or gay. Get over it.
I don't know why you feel the need to insist that somehow everyone is technically bi to some extent.
Im pretty sure Id be the judge of whether Im 100% straight or not, noone else is.
I dont care about the percentages, I know for a fact Im straight, pure and simple.
I know myself better then anyone else does.Same here.
dinoslayer
05-04-10, 10:56
Again, stop trying to pass off your opinion as fact. Some people are completely (or 100%) straight or gay. Get over it.
I don't know why you feel the need to insist that somehow everyone is technically bi to some extent.
Same here.
didn't someone post a study a while back that said it was impossible?
Again, stop trying to pass off your opinion as fact. Some people are completely (or 100%) straight or gay. Get over it.
I don't know why you feel the need to insist that somehow everyone is technically bi to some extent.
It's not my opinion. That's scientists statistics.
It's not my opinion. That's scientists statistics.Well?
ShadyCroft
05-04-10, 11:07
It's not my opinion. That's scientists statistics.
Even scientists can get it wrong sometimes. ;)
Right this second, I assure you I'm 101% gay. I have no desire WHAT SO EVER to have any physical contact with a girl now (no offense ladies :p).
By the way, Lukass, your posts would look much more powerful and read-worthy if you backed up your points with articles. Also, try not to pass out your statements as facts, and rather make your points opinionated (as in its what you think), and argue positively. :)
I know you believe no one is 100% of a particular orientation, but keep in mind that not everybody thinks so. I'm sure you wouldn't like it if someone told you you're not gay even when you know you are. :)
dinoslayer
05-04-10, 11:10
Even scientists can get it wrong sometimes. ;)
Right this second, I assure you I'm 101% gay. I have no desire WHAT SO EVER to have any physical contact with a girl now (no offense ladies :p).
By the way, Lukass, your posts would look much more powerful and read-worthy if you backed up your points with articles. Also, try not to pass out your statements as facts, and rather make your points opinionated (as in its what you think), and argue positively. :)
I know you believe no one is 100% of a particular orientation, but keep in mind that not everybody thinks so. I'm sure you wouldn't like it if someone told you you're not gay even when you know you are. :)
do you think your 100% right?
I'm sorry but scientist know some stuff about you that you don't fully know...
it's their job
^ Care to support your claims with any proof. Till then the purpose of your arguments is not obvious...
Besides, speaking about "scientists statistics", what quantity of examinees do you mean?
dinoslayer
05-04-10, 11:14
^ Care to support your claims with any proof. Till then the purpose of your arguments is not obvious...
i think someone posted "proof" a while back I'm having trouble finding it.
didn't someone post a study a while back that said it was impossible?
The fact that Mr. Kinsey made a scale in 1948 to classify people in varying degrees of sexuality does not mean people cannot be at either end of that scale. I don't think we are currently capable of scientifically determining a gay-ratio, in favour of which many in this thread seem to be arguing, even though they aren't even in agreement what it actually means to be gay, straight or bi.
Now also, what would it mean to be 99,9% straight? Does it mean that out of 1000 partners, there will be one of the opposite sex? No, in practice, it makes absolutely no difference if someone's 99,9% or 100% straight; and sexual preference is, I would say, nothing more than a way of saying what is going on in practice. Putting a percentage to it doesn't mean anything. Of course saying then, that you're "100% straight" doesn't mean much either, other than putting some emphasis on it (which now seems justified given how many think this is impossible). If someone has no sexual interest in the opposite gender, this person is simply straight. What else do you want to know?
If you disagree, please explain what these percentages represent.
very small "%" of peopel could be 100% straight, bi or gay (Now I read it on one Czech website by sexuologists). I doubt that the small "%" is here on this forum.
ShadyCroft
05-04-10, 11:19
do you think your 100% right?
I'm sorry but scientist know some stuff about you that you don't fully know...
it's their job
I believe am right. Its me, its I, I'm the one inside my body. ;)
Sure, scientists know facts and theories, true. But whether some of these facts apply to me or others is not necessarily determined by them.
I assure you am 100% gay right now. I'm not talking about after an hour or a week, am talking about now.
and I can do a simple quick test..
*searches google for pics of nude women*
*stares at pic for 5 mins*
*nothing happens*
*closes window and forget what the lady looked like*
*searches google for pics of nude men*
*stares at pic for a split second.....hardon*
;)
very small "%" of peopel could be 100% straight, bi or gay (Now I read it on one Czech website by sexuologists). I doubt that the small "%" is here on this forum.
So now it suddenly is possible? But still, please explain what this percentage is supposed to mean.
very small "%" of peopel could be 100% straight, bi or gay (Now I read it on one Czech website by sexuologists). I doubt that the small "%" is here on this forum.So basically what you're trying to say is that the very large majority of people are bisexual to some degree?
I'm still waiting on that "scientific proof" by the way.
interstellardave
05-04-10, 11:22
I'm glad I didn't vote in this poll, because now I know that I don't have a choice... apparently some scientist somewhere should cast my vote! :ton:
So basically what you're trying to say is that the very large majority of people are bisexual to some degree?
I'm still waiting on that "scientific proof" by the way.
I can post it but it's in Czech language.
dinoslayer
05-04-10, 11:22
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biology_and_sexual_orientation
maybe you guys should go read up on sexuality before you claim you're 100 whatever it's far too complex for you to come up with a percentage on your own...
very small "%" of peopel could be 100% straight, bi or gay (Now I read it on one Czech website by sexuologists). I doubt that the small "%" is here on this forum.
Even if it is only 1% of the earths population, thats over 60 million people...... you don't think some of them could be here?
It seems you're struggling to prove what you admantly declare as fact, but is just your opinion
So now it suddenly is possible? But still, please explain what this percentage is supposed to mean.
It's not suddenly. I just checkled it and yes someones were right. There is SMALL % of people who are 100% with their orientation. But it seems all of them are on this forum. Weird.
Id rather not even use percentages, who cares, I know myself Im straight, noone else can tell me otherwise, simply put. Whats been said here is mere opinion and not fact, noone can tell me what I am or not as Im the judge of that.
Kelly Craftman
05-04-10, 11:24
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biology_and_sexual_orientation
maybe you guys should go read up on sexuality before you claim you're 100 whatever it's far too complex for you to come up with a percentage on your own...
Wiki can easily be edited, so stuff on there can't be taken 100%
:D It's all funny. This is my last post in this thread. I'm not in the mood to fight with someones. That ones who are 100% straight ! :D
BYE
It's not suddenly. I just checkled it and yes someones were right. There is SMALL % of people who are 100% with their orientation. But it seems all of them are on this forum. Weird.
Refer to:
(...) Nobody is 100% something :)
PS: I've read many books about sexual orientation (new books not old ones) every single sexuologist told nobody is 100% gay, bi or straight.
Also, I'm still interested in hearing what the percentage represents.
dinoslayer
05-04-10, 11:26
Wiki can easily be edited, so stuff on there can't be taken 100%
ok find another article on the subject. and there's no doubt that sexuality is complex either way there's numerous things that determine someone's sexuality not just one
if that was the case you might very well be right... but it's not...
LightningRider
05-04-10, 11:27
I don't really see the point in taking the percentage too seriously. It's the internet, gosh.
Besides, no one can really tell. Science can't tell everything. o-o
:D It's all funny. This is my last post in this thread. I'm not in the mood to fight with someones. That ones who are 100% straight ! :D
BYE
Ahh, he retreats
Must be conceding defeat :wve:
I don't really see the point in taking the percentage too seriously. It's the internet, gosh.
I agree, reducing anything like this down to numbers is quite silly.
interstellardave
05-04-10, 11:29
This is absolutely moronic... you're either 100% straight, 100% gay or you're bi. If you're only attracted to one sex and only have sex with that sex, you're 100% that way. Percentages apply to groups of people, not individuals... DUH!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biology_and_sexual_orientation
maybe you guys should go read up on sexuality before you claim you're 100 whatever it's far too complex for you to come up with a percentage on your own...
Have you read this article? Its contents have little to do with this discussion.
... and there's no doubt that sexuality is complex ...
Then why are you trying to persuade folks here that someone has studied it enough to claim something in those "articles"?
The question of percentage meaning remains unanswered still BTW.
@ David: LOL, self-explanatory, isn't it? :D
I can post it but it's in Czech language.You didn't answer my first question.
Nice excuse as well.
dinoslayer
05-04-10, 11:31
Then why are you trying to persuade folks here that someone has studied it enough to claim something in those "articles"?
The question of percentage meaning remains unanswered still BTW.
@ David: LOL, self-explanatory, isn't it? :D
yes it's far too complex for ANYONE to claim there 100% whatever what makes them special? did they take some sort of test to determine this percentage
I'm leaving the thread... i have a feeling it won't end well if i remain here...
As Pat has mentioned here already, this is the question for everyone to answer him/herself. None of anyone's business, nor ability to "measure"... yet.
Nobody says here that one status or another makes them "special". Or did I miss something?
tombraiderluka
05-04-10, 11:35
I am 80% straight. :p
:rolleyes: I wonder will people now invent straight-o-meter ....
:rolleyes: I wonder will people now invent straight-o-meter ....
According to some, this was already invented. It produced percentages and scientific facts.
Nah... That was gay-o-meter... just improperly (reverse) powered by accident :p
Nah... That was gay-o-meter... just improperly (reverse) powered by accident :p
Speaking of that, does anyone remember the so-called gay test from Scrubs? Clicky (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohfJCYobSkk) :D
Who needs a gay/straight meter anyway? I don't get why someone would care about the percentage of their orientation.
ShadyCroft
05-04-10, 12:36
more percentages ? :confused:
how the heck are they measuring these things anyways, if you dont mind telling me ?
that's ridiculous in my opinion, and I fully agree with Dave
This is absolutely moronic... you're either 100% straight, 100% gay or you're bi. If you're only attracted to one sex and only have sex with that sex, you're 100% that way. Percentages apply to groups of people, not individuals... DUH!
if there's at least 1% chance you're willing to have sex with a woman, not for a photoshoot, not for money and not forced, but WILLINGLY...then, sorry, you are NOT gay !
yes it's far too complex for ANYONE to claim there 100% whatever what makes them special? did they take some sort of test to determine this percentage
I'm leaving the thread... i have a feeling it won't end well if i remain here...
Being 100% straight or not isnt the issue, its the very fact people reduce such a matter to numbers or percentages that is just stupid.
Sgt BOMBULOUS
05-04-10, 12:47
Maybe you should just not say anything. You butcher the language in your attempts to sound more intelligent.
Why not type that in Russian? Oh wait... You can't.
Kelly Craftman
05-04-10, 12:49
I must admit i do act a bit inappropriate around some of my ladies friends. But are people using percentages? Your either Heterosexual, Homosexual, Bisexual or Asexual. No big deal, If your happy being one of them then good and stop trying to put other peoples opinions into facts. People know themselves better then people on the internet, so who are you to question there sexuality? Please grow it up. :rolleyes:
^ Hey, you forgot bees http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o307/EscondeR_Croft/Smilies/tn_0egzwem943.jpg :mad:
:)
tombraiderluka
05-04-10, 12:52
I must admit i do act a bit inappropriate around some of my ladies friends. But are people using percentages? Your either Heterosexual, Homosexual or Asexual. No big deal, If your happy being one of them then good and stop trying to put other peoples opinions into facts. People know themselves better then people on the internet, so who are you to question there sexuality? Please grow it up. :rolleyes:
I was kidding when I said I'm 80% gay :eek:
Kelly Craftman
05-04-10, 12:53
^ Hey, you forgot bees :mad:
:)
Fixed. :) Thank you :hug:
Being 100% straight or not isnt the issue, its the very fact people reduce such a matter to numbers or percentages that is just stupid.Pretty much. I think what Death Mask meant when he said he was 100% straight was that he was completely straight, and he probably is if he feels that way about himself.
Sgt BOMBULOUS
05-04-10, 12:57
I must admit i do act a bit inappropriate around some of my ladies friends. But are people using percentages? Your either Heterosexual, Homosexual, Bisexual or Asexual. No big deal, If your happy being one of them then good and stop trying to put other peoples opinions into facts. People know themselves better then people on the internet, so who are you to question there sexuality? Please grow it up. :rolleyes:
I hate to have to quote myself but uh....
I'm surprised no one brought this up:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/52/Kinsey_Scale.gif
Males do not represent two discrete populations, heterosexual and homosexual. The world is not to be divided into sheep and goats. It is a fundamental of taxonomy that nature rarely deals with discrete categories... The living world is a continuum in each and every one of its aspects.
While emphasizing the continuity of the gradations between exclusively heterosexual and exclusively homosexual histories, it has seemed desirable to develop some sort of classification which could be based on the relative amounts of heterosexual and homosexual experience or response in each history... An individual may be assigned a position on this scale, for each period in his life.... A seven-point scale comes nearer to showing the many gradations that actually exist.
Related article (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinsey_scale).
Id hate the idea of myself being categorised into anything.
I am who I am, who gives a **** what my orientation is and all that jibber jabber.
Kelly is right, you are one or the others.
Kelly Craftman
05-04-10, 13:01
I hate to have to quote myself but uh....
I don't get the connection, My point was people trying to tell people what there not 100% something, when how do they know a stranger over the internet. Unless i got confused in my post, which is what probably what happened :vlol:
I don't get the connection, My point was people trying to tell people what there not 100% something, when how do they know a stranger over the internet. Unless i got confused in my post, which is what probably what happened :vlol:
I thought your post made more sense then most of the stuff I read in here.
Pretty much. I think what Death Mask meant when he said he was 100% straight was that he was completely straight, and he probably is if he feels that way about himself.
And if he feels that way noone has any right to question that.
I thought your post made more sense then most of the stuff I read in here.
And if he feels that way noone has any right to question that.
Because questioning that is 76.2% stupid, 16.3% nonsensical and 7.5% offensive.
coolaideonfire
05-04-10, 15:37
I don't think you can measure sexuality is percentages and numbers so brashly, how does anyone know how "gay" or "straight" they are? We're all plucking numbers from thin air. All we know is what appeals to us most, whether that's men or women, both sexes equally, men more so than women, women more so than men or neither sex.
Melonie Tomb Raider
05-04-10, 15:38
What kind of influence? This really smells like all that "It's a lifestyle!" crap.
Any type of influence. Friends, tv, falling for someone outside of your preference... Anything, really. If a child grows up in a community where homosexuality is looked down upon, the odds of them forming gay preferences are much lower than that of children in homosexually accepted homes. Though there are exceptions, but the influence generally makes a substantial difference. Just the same, if I child grows up around homosexuals and is encouraged to go the same route, their odds of having that preference are all the more great as well.
Influence makes a big difference in our lives, which is why you will find personal preferences vary between countries, whether it be sexual orientation or simply what we find attractive. Some countries find obese women attractive, and it's safe to say the majority of America does not. It's all because of influence, not because we're born with a preference.
I think it's silly to say someone is born gay, straight, bi, what have you. We aren't born with a sexual preference, that develops as you get older. Babies don't think about sex. Influence isn't everything, but it certainly contributes.
Sgt BOMBULOUS
05-04-10, 15:42
I found a good poll conducted by CNN with Approx 113,000 participants. It's an interesting contrast compared to the make-up of the forum.
http://i39.tinypic.com/alojtc.jpg
Ref (http://www.cnn.com/2004/TECH/science/10/14/asexual.study/)
Melonie Tomb Raider
05-04-10, 15:46
Wow, I'm surprised to see the equal amount of bisexuals and asexuals.
This poll was more than likely conducted in America, as homosexuality is more scarce here than in Europe, for example. At least that is my impression. However, 9% still isn't scarce.
Sgt BOMBULOUS
05-04-10, 15:48
Wow, I'm surprised to see the equal amount of bisexuals and asexuals.
This poll was more than likely conducted in America, as homosexuality is more scarce here than in Europe, for example. At least that is my impression. However, 9% still isn't scarce.
The strange part is while the article itself says 1 in 100 is asexual, the associated poll would bring the # closer to 1 in 10 (8000 out of 80,000, roughly).
This poll was more than likely conducted in America, as homosexuality is more scarce here than in Europe, for example.
Source plz.
I would have thought the numbers would be the same all over the world....what would be different would be how open people are about admitting it.
Melonie Tomb Raider
05-04-10, 15:52
Source plz.
I followed with "at least that is my impression."
Personal opinions don't always have sources. :p
I followed with "at least that is my impression."
Personal opinions don't always have sources. :p
Touchée :p
I guess this impression stems from the fact that Western Europe has a quite (in)famous gay scene in some regions. Then again, I totally reject the notion of community influence on sexual orientation (there may be influence on type of sexual practices a person gets involved in, not orientation itself).
I was just reading that Stonewall accepts an estimate of 5-7% but in the uk there is no hard data on sexuality as it is not part of the census process.
http://www.statistics.gov.uk/about/consultations/downloads/2011Census_sexual_orientation_background.pdf
I heard an old statistic that 1 in 3 people are either gay or bi, probably not true though.
ShadyCroft
05-04-10, 16:12
Any type of influence. Friends, tv, falling for someone outside of your preference... Anything, really. If a child grows up in a community where homosexuality is looked down upon, the odds of them forming gay preferences are much lower than that of children in homosexually accepted homes. Though there are exceptions, but the influence generally makes a substantial difference. Just the same, if I child grows up around homosexuals and is encouraged to go the same route, their odds of having that preference are all the more great as well.
Influence makes a big difference in our lives, which is why you will find personal preferences vary between countries, whether it be sexual orientation or simply what we find attractive. Some countries find obese women attractive, and it's safe to say the majority of America does not. It's all because of influence, not because we're born with a preference.
I think it's silly to say someone is born gay, straight, bi, what have you. We aren't born with a sexual preference, that develops as you get older. Babies don't think about sex. Influence isn't everything, but it certainly contributes.
Mel, I have to disagree with you. :) I know you're aware there are exceptions but I still disagree with you.
Yeah, probably the environment does have an effect on someone's sexuality, but I don't think it creates that orientation, more like it strengthens it...ok, am not sure if this makes sense.
However, as you know, I live in an environment where homosexuality is looked down upon, not discussed anyways, and yet I'm gay.
I don't think I was influenced later either. I know ever since I became sexually active (hormones wise I mean, not actions or activites), I was attracted to guys.
We have 13 year olds here who know the word gay. When I was 13 I didnt know what sex was, not completely. I knew I had a thing for guys but I didnt know it had a name, I didnt even know there were others.
I was scared, but I know I've had it all along.
Now whether I was born with it or what else, I cannot say because you also raise a valid point in that children dont think of sex.
^ I think likewise Shady. I do not think that sexuality can be influenced by your surroundings or "nurture". Your social surroundings can only make you aware of sexual identities other than heterosexuality, as well as whether homosexuality is a normal biological occurence as opposed to an abnormality.
Melonie, I think you can't really make an assertion as to the numbers of children who don't fit into a hetero-normative sexuality in a society in which homosexuality would have been frowned upon, because the emergence of gay people into everyday societies is relatively new. There would be little statistics for the numbers of gay people in Catholic Europe during the Middle Ages, in colonial America or in Victorian Britain - even now it's difficult to assess those numbers in the UK, as Jackles said, because it's not recorded in our census (and I don't think it should be). The fact is, you would never be able to prove that there are more gay people as a percentage of the population than there were before the Protestant Reformation in the sixteenth century, because the data simply does not exist.
I don't think there are many countries in which obesity is valued, but certainly historically, larger, more robust women symbolised fertility and might be more likely to survive childbirth. In many countries this still might be a concern; I'm not so sure.
I think also that with sexual maturity and development our own sexual identity comes to a prominence that it might not have done in childhood. But there might be indicators, tied up also with gender, self-expression and so forth that might or might not indicate a sexuality other than heterosexuality.
As a homosexual person, I can tell you that as far as I'm aware, my parents knew and know very few gay people, hence I don't think I met any until I got to secondary school. The few gay stereotypes in the media that I came across every so often were hardly ones that I identified with. I was certainly not raised in anything like a home that introduced homosexuality to me, but neither was I raised in one that castigated it. It just wasn't mentioned.
Assuming the environment indeed has such a big influence, I thought the Netherlands would then have a relatively high number of homo-/bisexual/transgendered people. Apparently this figure is somewhat difficult to find, but the Netherlands centre for social development seems to maintain that only 6% of the Dutch population is LGB or T. This seems to falsify the hypothesis and makes me question the axiom. (This is still assuming that the much cited 10% is indeed the average of most other countries).
ShadyCroft
05-04-10, 17:28
As a homosexual person, I can tell you that as far as I'm aware, my parents knew and know very few gay people, hence I don't think I met any until I got to secondary school. The few gay stereotypes in the media that I came across every so often were hardly ones that I identified with. I was certainly not raised in anything like a home that introduced homosexuality to me, but neither was I raised in one that castigated it. It just wasn't mentioned.
Same here ! I was never exposed to media that concerned homosexuality, and I didn't known any gay person around that time. I still haven't met any to be precise. :p
I didn't know the word gay and I still had those feelings like I said.
Assuming the environment indeed has such a big influence, I thought the Netherlands would then have a relatively high number of homo-/bisexual/transgendered people. Apparently this figure is somewhat difficult to find, but the Netherlands centre for social development seems to maintain that only 6% of the Dutch population is LGB or T. This seems to falsify the hypothesis and makes me question the axiom. (This is still assuming that the much cited 10% is indeed the average of most other countries).
What do you mean by "the environment of the Netherlands" ? Can you tell me what is there that is related to the axiom ?
Ward Dragon
05-04-10, 17:32
Then again, I totally reject the notion of community influence on sexual orientation (there may be influence on type of sexual practices a person gets involved in, not orientation itself).
I agree. Society obviously has an influence on what actions people are willing to take (or at least admit to taking) but I think sexual orientation itself is biological, not social. I think there are environmental factors in developing sexual orientation, like what hormones the baby is exposed to in the womb, so it's not purely genetic, but it's not learned or chosen either.
(...) What do you mean by "the environment of the Netherlands" ? Can you tell me what is there that is related to the axiom ?
The Netherlands is generally very liberal. LGBT people enjoy equal rights, the Dutch are (as far as I'm aware of the statistics) the most tolerant of LGBT people, the LGBT community pretty much flourishes here, and the Netherlands was for example the first country to legalize gay marriage.
The Netherlands is generally very liberal. LGBT people enjoy equal rights, the Dutch are (as far as I'm aware of the statistics) the most tolerant of LGBT people, the LGBT community pretty much flourishes here, and the Netherlands was for example the first country to legalize gay marriage.
Like you, I'm surprised that the number would be as low as 6%! :p
I think that in the end, even with surveys like the one you mentioned, sexuality is something that is very difficult to quantify. I don't see the real use in trying to do so either.
ShadyCroft
05-04-10, 17:48
The Netherlands is generally very liberal. LGBT people enjoy equal rights, the Dutch are (as far as I'm aware of the statistics) the most tolerant of LGBT people, the LGBT community pretty much flourishes here, and the Netherlands was for example the first country to legalize gay marriage.
I'm so moving in there then :jmp:
I agree. Society obviously has an influence on what actions people are willing to take (or at least admit to taking) but I think sexual orientation itself is biological, not social. I think there are environmental factors in developing sexual orientation, like what hormones the baby is exposed to in the womb, so it's not purely genetic, but it's not learned or chosen either.
Thank you for this post :hug:
Any type of influence. Friends, tv, falling for someone outside of your preference... Anything, really. If a child grows up in a community where homosexuality is looked down upon, the odds of them forming gay preferences are much lower than that of children in homosexually accepted homes. Though there are exceptions, but the influence generally makes a substantial difference. Just the same, if I child grows up around homosexuals and is encouraged to go the same route, their odds of having that preference are all the more great as well.
Influence makes a big difference in our lives, which is why you will find personal preferences vary between countries, whether it be sexual orientation or simply what we find attractive. Some countries find obese women attractive, and it's safe to say the majority of America does not. It's all because of influence, not because we're born with a preference.
I think it's silly to say someone is born gay, straight, bi, what have you. We aren't born with a sexual preference, that develops as you get older. Babies don't think about sex. Influence isn't everything, but it certainly contributes.
I disagree.
Influence plays a role in alot of things, and it seeps into this area as well, However in a different way. A person who grows up where anything but heterosexuality is frowned upon can be straight, gay, or bi. If that person is straight than fine, but if he/ she is gay, it is more likely they will try to hide their sexuality and pretend to be heterosexual. This does not only influence homosexual or bisexual children, but straight children too, they will look down upon these orientations like the surrounding adaults.
I am gay, I grew up in a house with my mom and two sisters, I did see my dad freequently, probably more so than other children in a split family. I loved playing with dolls and all that fun crap, and I believe I liked it because my sisters were doing it.
Finally, if most of america does not find obese women attractive then why is it really high in obese population?
so bottom line is that I don't know how I am gay, honestly don't. I guess that makes me a mystery...cool I like mysteries:)
interstellardave
05-04-10, 18:10
I finally understand this percentage issue, as I have had a personal revelation:
Get ready, folks, 'cause I'm coming out, here! I'm 50/50...
I realize now that I'm 50% bisexual (the 50% part of loving women) and the rest of me is straight! :p
AmericanAssassin
05-04-10, 18:16
This is absolutely moronic... you're either 100% straight, 100% gay or you're bi. If you're only attracted to one sex and only have sex with that sex, you're 100% that way. Percentages apply to groups of people, not individuals... DUH!
I agree with this. The more I think about it, the more I don't buy into the "everyone is a little bi" theory so many people seem to have.
NemesisxAngelus
05-04-10, 18:18
The Netherlands is generally very liberal. LGBT people enjoy equal rights, the Dutch are (as far as I'm aware of the statistics) the most tolerant of LGBT people, the LGBT community pretty much flourishes here, and the Netherlands was for example the first country to legalize gay marriage.
Sometimes too much. :o
I'm so moving in there then :jmp:
Would be pretty awesome if you do! :D
Finally, if most of america does not find obese women attractive then why is it really high in obese population?
Obesity isn't considered attractive in this period of time because it's not associated with good health - quite the opposite to the neolithic times when the ideal of feminity was quite probably this:
http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/6097/ewrggr.jpg
So yeah, we're born with a preference for healthy partners, although with current level of medical and social security in rich countries it matters far less than it used to.
IceColdLaraCroft
05-04-10, 18:40
The Netherlands is so liberal they allow gay sex in parks. There are signs indicating that sexual activity goes on in these places and to stay away if it offends people. There are even police to PROTECT those that go there.
dinoslayer
05-04-10, 18:48
Obesity isn't considered attractive in this period of time because it's not associated with good health - quite the opposite to the neolithic times when the ideal of feminity was quite probably this:
http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/6097/ewrggr.jpg
So yeah, we're born with a preference for healthy partners, although with current level of medical and social security in rich countries it matters far less than it used to.
a tribe in africa is is a remnant of that time young women get as fat as they can before marrying because they think being skinny is horribly grotesque :p
sikasika18
05-04-10, 19:06
gay:)
Sgt BOMBULOUS
05-04-10, 19:08
Finally, if most of america does not find obese women attractive then why is it really high in obese population?
It's based on a lot of things, sedentary lifestyle, income level, culture. Availability of cheap food, and restaurants serving shockingly enormous portions isn't helping either.
Bigger bodies in prehistoric times suggested that you were healthy enough to survive the lean times...and thats why bigger buttocks etc were admired, now the opposite is true because we admire people who are skinny while the rest of us get fat.
A percentage of the population haa always been made up of gay/bi people and I am sure in the past no one even mentioned being gay..never mind made it public.
But does the 'percentages' of how gay/straight etc a person really matter? This is who we are right NOW at this moment in time. Why does it have to be defined to the nth degree. We are what we are.....end off.
dinoslayer
05-04-10, 19:15
gay:)
http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w149/skins0304/highfive.gif
silviu_raider
05-04-10, 19:17
Bigger bodies in prehistoric times suggested that you were healthy enough to survive the lean times...and thats why bigger buttocks etc were admired, now the opposite is true because we admire people who are skinny while the rest of us get fat.
A percentage of the population haa always been made up of gay/bi people and I am sure in the past no one even mentioned being gay..never mind made it public.
But does the 'percentages' of how gay/straight etc a person really matter? This is who we are right NOW at this moment in time. Why does it have to be defined to the nth degree. We are what we are.....end off.
Amen to that! :hug:
We are what we are and no science can express that in numbers!
Period!
Dark Lugia 2
05-04-10, 19:26
I find the thought of everyone being somewhat bisexual very big headed tbh. Just because you might be bi and feel a certain way, doesnt mean everyone else feels the same ;)
I think a lot of people say they are bi to cover up their homosexuality. More so in real life as it would be easier than saying you're gay as you still have that lean towards the opposite sex thats more acceptable to some people. Cant blame anyone though, in a world where homosexuality is still frowmed upon in most places.
I find the thought of everyone being somewhat bisexual very big headed tbh. Just because you might be bi and feel a certain way, doesnt mean everyone else feels the same ;)
I think a lot of people say they are bi to cover up their homosexuality. More so in real life as it would be easier than saying you're gay as you still have that lean towards the opposite sex thats more acceptable to some people. Cant blame anyone though, in a world where homosexuality is still frowmed upon in most places.
Or... people say they're bi because it's hot or it's cool to please other people (men in particulary), when they truly are straight...
The Netherlands is so liberal they allow gay sex in parks. There are signs indicating that sexual activity goes on in these places and to stay away if it offends people. There are even police to PROTECT those that go there.They allow sex in public parks? How ridiculous.
Your_Envy*
05-04-10, 20:42
^^(to Azerutan) I never got that feeling over here. All the people I know are straight in Slovenia. It's kinda hard to be gay over here anyway. People are so close-minded. :pi:
ShadyCroft
05-04-10, 20:42
But does the 'percentages' of how gay/straight etc a person really matter? This is who we are right NOW at this moment in time. Why does it have to be defined to the nth degree. We are what we are.....end off.
Couldn't say anything better, Jackie ! :tmb:
They allow sex in public parks? How ridiculous.
To say it's allowed is putting it a bit too simplistic (http://www.oudzuid.amsterdam.nl/divers/nieuwsarchief/nieuws_nieuwsbericht/2008/03/vondelpark_in_het#Englishtranslation), but in some places in some parks, at night, when nobody else is disturbed by it, it is tolerated. We do this more often; we even have a word (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gedogen) for tolerating things that are formally forbidden that has no English translation.
why is there no "Trisexual" choice?
someone who is attracted to Men, Women AND Hermaphrodites. (since they are the third gender)
why is there no "Trisexual" choice?
someone who is attracted to Men, Women AND Hermaphrodites. (since they are the third gender)
Thats the 'greedy' option!!
I jest. :cln:
why is there no "Trisexual" choice?
someone who is attracted to Men, Women AND Hermaphrodites. (since they are the third gender)There's no such thing as a third gender.
Lara_Fan_33
05-04-10, 22:24
never mind this
There's no such thing as a third gender.
do you agree that there are Hermaphrodites in existence?
if so, then are they not classified as a gender that is different than male or female; since they have both reproductive organs?
do you agree that there are Hermaphrodites in existence?
if so, then are they not classified as a gender that is different than male or female; since they have both reproductive organs?
I think under the eyes of the law they are simply a mix. Most people choose which gender they want to be. It's a very unfortunate situation for them and it makes me upset just thinking about the conflicts they must go through with themselves making a choice, if they do at all.
I think sexuality and gender has nothing to do with anything. It's not even that big a part of ourselves. There are lots of other incredible things about us as a species that are worth so much more than simply people's sexual preference. :)
Bi, btw.
elizard_9594
06-04-10, 01:05
bisexual... and damn proud of it!
though my boyfriend thiks it wierd that im bisexual but would never be in a menage et trois. im just too very jealous.
What's a "menage et trois"?
Sounds French to me :)
TombRaiderLover
06-04-10, 01:53
What's a "menage et trois"?
Sounds French to me :)
Isn't that a threesome?
dinoslayer
06-04-10, 01:54
Isn't that a threesome?
yes thank you :pi:
jk :ton: :vlol:
This is absolutely moronic... you're either 100% straight, 100% gay or you're bi. If you're only attracted to one sex and only have sex with that sex, you're 100% that way. Percentages apply to groups of people, not individuals... DUH!
Exactly :tmb: I agree it is moronic too.
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