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Quasimodo
27-05-10, 07:08
BBC news has published an article exploring the possibilities of medical implants catching and sharing computer viruses.

Isn't that wild?! Check out the video (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/10158517.stm), too.
A British scientist says he is the first man in the world to become infected with a computer virus.

Dr Mark Gasson from the University of Reading contaminated a computer chip which was then inserted into his hand.

The device, which enables him to pass through security doors and activate his mobile phone, is a sophisticated version of ID chips used to tag pets.

In trials, Dr Gasson showed that the chip was able to pass on the computer virus to external control systems.

If other implanted chips had then connected to the system they too would have been corrupted, he said.
Medical alert

Dr Gasson admits that the test is a proof of principle but he thinks it has important implications for a future where medical devices such as pacemakers and cochlear implants become more sophisticated, and risk being contaminated by other human implants.

"With the benefits of this type of technology come risks. We may improve ourselves in some way but much like the improvements with other technologies, mobile phones for example, they become vulnerable to risks, such as security problems and computer viruses."

However, Dr Gasson predicts that wider use will be made of implanted technology.

"This type of technology has been commercialised in the United States as a type of medical alert bracelet, so that if you're found unconscious you can be scanned and your medical history brought up."

Professor Rafael Capurro of the Steinbeis-Transfer-Institute of Information Ethics in Germany told BBC News that the research was "interesting".

"If someone can get online access to your implant, it could be serious," he said.
Cosmetic surgery

Professor Capurro contributed to a 2005 ethical study for the European Commission that looked at the development of digital implants and possible abuse of them.

"From an ethical point of view, the surveillance of implants can be both positive and negative," he said.

"Surveillance can be part of medical care, but if someone wants to do harm to you, it could be a problem."

In addition, he said, that there should be caution if implants with surveillance capabilities started to be used outside of a medical setting.

However, Dr Gasson believes that there will be a demand for these non-essential applications, much as people pay for cosmetic surgery.

"If we can find a way of enhancing someone's memory or their IQ then there's a real possibility that people will choose to have this kind of invasive procedure."

Dr Gasson works at the University of Reading's School of Systems Engineering and will present the results of his research at the International Symposium for Technology and Society in Australia next month. Professor Capurro will also talk at the event.

Glašon
27-05-10, 07:09
"Hey man, you comin' out tonight?"
"Nah mate... got a Trojan..."


:vlol:

tonyme
27-05-10, 07:12
Customer: "Hello!"
Receptionist: "Hello, sir, how may I help you?"
Customer: "Here's my prescription: 2 Norton, 1 syrup of SpyBot and a box of Kaspersky"
Receptionist: "Right away, sir!"

Minty Mouth
27-05-10, 07:13
Can an electronic virus really interact with biological material?

/myownignorance.

Quasimodo
27-05-10, 07:14
Can an electronic virus really interact with biological material?

/myownignorance.

Yes, with electronic impulses. Pacemakers and deep brain stimulation devices work this way, unless I'm mistaken.

spikejones
27-05-10, 07:18
from what I just read into it, he's not actually infected with the virus. technically speaking he is just carrying a micro chip that has a virus on it. From the way it was worded, it made it sound like a very highly improbable (impossible more like) situation had happened. IE.. it was made to sound as though the computer virus was able to somehow infect his brain via electrical impulses sent through the nervous system. The odds of that happening are pretty slim unless someone had that intention in mind. I do see the main point to the story I guess. Care should be taken when introducing multiple electronic devices into living beings so that one does not corrupt the functionality of life sustaining devices. Although I'm apt to say that if you get to the point of having multiple electronic devices in your body in order to keep you alive... your time in this plan of existence has already run its natural course. I just hope no one ever sticks any kind of electronic devices into my body. If my body won't live without mechanical support, its time to say goodbye.

as per the title... typical media hype :hea:

Minty Mouth
27-05-10, 07:21
Yes, with electronic impulses. Pacemakers and deep brain stimulation devices work this way, unless I'm mistaken.

So, a computer virus could make humans do weird stuff?

Like programming people? 0_0

TRfan23
27-05-10, 07:22
So, a computer virus could make humans do weird stuff?

Like programming people? 0_0

Well it wouldn't reprogram your brain, just the electronic devices inside would be reprogrammed. Thus resulting them to make you possibly do weird stuff.

jaywalker
27-05-10, 07:22
its been shown as seriously irresponsible of the guy tho.. as he just seems to be doing it to scaremonger. as spikejones said, typical media hype fluffing over the real story with the scare bit as the lead..

Minty Mouth
27-05-10, 07:23
Well it wouldn't reprogram your brain, just the electronic devices inside would be programmed. Thus resulting them to make you possibly do weird stuff.

Could we engineer military Super Soldiers? :cln:

Quasimodo
27-05-10, 07:23
So, a computer virus could make humans do weird stuff?

Like programming people? 0_0

I don't think so...not for a good while. At worst in the nearer future, it would cause chips used for security clearance to stop working, and maybe possibly spread the virus to those computer systems. I bet we'll be seeing some sci-fi movies based on this, though :D

Apathetic
27-05-10, 07:23
Yes, with electronic impulses. Pacemakers and deep brain stimulation devices work this way, unless I'm mistaken.

No, doubtful.

The title shouldn't be taken literally.

Minty Mouth
27-05-10, 07:25
No, doubtful.

The title shouldn't be taken literally.

Well, doesn't the brain work by emitting electrical pulses, or something to that effect? It's not impossible to believe that a computer chip could recreate the effect.

But yeah, this story in particular has nothing to do with that, really. Kind of got my hopes up :ton:

EscondeR
27-05-10, 07:35
Qfe
its been shown as seriously irresponsible of the guy tho.. As he just seems to be doing it to scaremonger. As spikejones said, typical media hype fluffing over the real story with the scare bit as the lead..

sandygrimm
27-05-10, 07:44
I don't see it as a trensetter. :confused:
Plus there are other ways of keeping your doc up to date with your health, without puting your personal data on risk, or " find a way of enhancing someone's memory or their IQ"

"If someone can get online access to your implant, it could be serious," he said.
Cosmetic surgery

Professor Capurro contributed to a 2005 ethical study for the European Commission that looked at the development of digital implants and possible abuse of them.

"From an ethical point of view, the surveillance of implants can be both positive and negative," he said.

"Surveillance can be part of medical care, but if someone wants to do harm to you, it could be a problem."

In addition, he said, that there should be caution if implants with surveillance capabilities started to be used outside of a medical setting.

As much as I enjoy the avalanche of new thech that comes to make our lives better, sometimes I doubt they really know the consequences or risk the can bring.

ryan91
27-05-10, 09:41
mwhaha that is so retard :D

toxicraider
27-05-10, 10:20
So, a computer virus could make humans do weird stuff?

Like programming people? 0_0
Not yet, the examples Quasi gave, work by the electric impulses stimulating parts of the body. This is because it happens in the body naturally, so can be replaced by an electric device. In the heart, you have a natural 'pacemaker' which sends out an electric impulse, to coordinate the heart beat. If it packs in, then an electric pacemaker can be used to emit the impulse. I think it's similar for the brain.

It's such a sensationalised title, he doesn't have a virus, he just has a chip inserted, that corrupts other technology. I think the quote about IQ and memory was just an example of why people might want a chip inserted, he's not saying it will soon be possible.

IceColdLaraCroft
27-05-10, 15:14
http://www.stardestroyer.net/Empire/Essays/Borg.jpg


It has begun

Vinkula
27-05-10, 15:35
Ready on phasers! Lets destroy that thing.

Sgt BOMBULOUS
27-05-10, 15:39
Now standard airport procedure will require getting cattle-prodded (to short out any virus infested chips) in addition to the normal security precautions. ;)

cbragg09
27-05-10, 15:45
Could we engineer military Super Soldiers? :cln:

oh no, SKYNET AND THE TERMINATORS IS DAWNING UPON US

]{eith
27-05-10, 15:48
That's what happens when you don't wear a firewall. :/

almayah
27-05-10, 15:48
"Hey man, you comin' out tonight?"
"Nah mate... got a Trojan..."


:vlol:

:vlol:


This is very interesting
Scientists are pushing the limits every day :D

Gregori
27-05-10, 15:50
Why make medical devices so sophisticated that they can be infected with viruses?

Wouldn't a simple device that does the same job and can't be infected be much better?

Alpharaider47
27-05-10, 15:59
{eith;4628774']That's what happens when you don't wear a firewall. :/

Yes imagine what might happen if you uplinked with a friend and forgot to use protection :vlol:
Interesting stuff though, pretty soon we'll probably have cybernetic stuff like Star Wars/Star Trek or something.

^^ yeah, but it wouldn't be nearly as cool and trendy

IceColdLaraCroft
27-05-10, 15:59
Why make medical devices so sophisticated that they can be infected with viruses?

Wouldn't a simple device that does the same job and can't be infected be much better?

Or maybe he shouldn't have been surfing for porn with his fancy piece of technology

Vinkula
27-05-10, 16:00
^ Star Trek (Voyager<3) >_> Star Wars is from *there-where-i-don't-say* :p

IceColdLaraCroft
27-05-10, 16:04
^ Star Trek (Voyager<3) >_> Star Wars is from *there-where-i-don't-say* :p

sexy Borg

http://www.routergod.com/sevenofnine/index_files/seven_of_nine_head_shot.jpg

Alpharaider47
27-05-10, 16:05
^ Star Trek (Voyager<3) >_> Star Wars is from *there-where-i-don't-say* :p

Meh well you get the idea. I never really watched Voyager, more of a Next Generation/TOS guy :p

^^ I don't really like her :vlol: I don't see why people get so crazy about her.

Vinkula
27-05-10, 16:17
Seven of Nine is FANTASTIC, but I love Janeway more :p

LaraLuvrrr
27-05-10, 23:44
We're one step closer to the AntiChrist

KyleCroft
27-05-10, 23:46
Good to know THIS is what taxpayer dollars is going to...

IceColdLaraCroft
28-05-10, 02:27
We're one step closer to the AntiChrist

But doesn't that only affect Christians? So Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, etc would be fine

LaraLuvrrr
28-05-10, 02:30
But doesn't that only affect Christians? So Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, etc would be fine

lol I was jk. I meant like the idea of implanting controlling microchips in people brings thoughts of some antichrist after world domination.

Alpharaider47
28-05-10, 03:22
lol I was jk. I meant like the idea of implanting controlling microchips in people brings thoughts of some antichrist after world domination.

Keep your fingers crossed for zombie apocalypse, I've got pretty good odds if that one happens :p

ChingKong
28-05-10, 03:24
should i be afraid?

Alpharaider47
28-05-10, 03:29
should i be afraid?

Nah, not unless you intend to fill your body with electronic components

ChingKong
28-05-10, 03:40
Nah, not unless you intend to fill your body with electronic components

http://i49.************/2ch95ef.png

Uzi master
28-05-10, 04:15
Keep your fingers crossed for zombie apocalypse, I've got pretty good odds if that one happens :p

Better get a REAL Uzi then...

also the anti-christ just mean no compassion or emotion for anything, bassicly the opposite of what people see Jesus as, and jewish and islamic people would still be affected, since they beleive he existed.

Alpharaider47
28-05-10, 05:07
Better get a REAL Uzi then...

also the anti-christ just mean no compassion or emotion for anything, bassicly the opposite of what people see Jesus as, and jewish and islamic people would still be affected, since they beleive he existed.

Nah Uzi's aren't my style, I'm more of a Beretta, USP, or Glock guy :D

I think it would be a mess,if the antichrist showed up, it'd affect everybody no matter what your views.
How all of that would come to be, I have no idea :p

lunavixen
28-05-10, 05:13
from what I just read into it, he's not actually infected with the virus. technically speaking he is just carrying a micro chip that has a virus on it. From the way it was worded, it made it sound like a very highly improbable (impossible more like) situation had happened. IE.. it was made to sound as though the computer virus was able to somehow infect his brain via electrical impulses sent through the nervous system. The odds of that happening are pretty slim unless someone had that intention in mind. I do see the main point to the story I guess. Care should be taken when introducing multiple electronic devices into living beings so that one does not corrupt the functionality of life sustaining devices. Although I'm apt to say that if you get to the point of having multiple electronic devices in your body in order to keep you alive... your time in this plan of existence has already run its natural course. I just hope no one ever sticks any kind of electronic devices into my body. If my body won't live without mechanical support, its time to say goodbye.

as per the title... typical media hype :hea:
i agree, i was so disappointed when i read the article, i looked at the thread title and was like 'this oughta be interesting...' not so...

aktrekker
28-05-10, 07:06
Nah Uzi's aren't my style, I'm more of a Beretta, USP, or Glock guy :D


I prefer Ruger and S&W.
Revolvers don't hold as many rounds, but they don't have to be cocked first and they don't jam. Just carry a few extras and you're set :D

Alpharaider47
28-05-10, 07:09
I prefer Ruger and S&W.
Revolvers don't hold as many rounds, but they don't have to be cocked first and they don't jam. Just carry a few extras and you're set :D

Hehe a buddy of mine has a Ruger, I'm forced to agree with you :D

^^ yeah the title set this thing up, and then I was like "oh, well that's still interesting"