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tlr online
22-08-10, 22:59
Greetings.

Folk are welcome to donate to the running of our server using this link (http://www.tombraiderforums.com/donate.php). All monies are collectively used to help pay for our services and bandwidth.

At present Google Adsense does not come anywhere close to covering the cost of the server, most of the fees come out of my pocket each month. Contributions are gratefully received.

On the subject of generating funds for the forum, I'm back toying with the idea of premium memberships with additional features like being able to upload your own avatar.. etc. There has been healthy debate on this idea in the past and I look forward to hearing your thoughts again.

Thank you to those who donate, and please let me know your thoughts on premium memberships.

Niveus
22-08-10, 23:07
I'd donate, I'm just not old enough. :o I've talked in the past if my Dad could make a contribution and I'd pay him in my own money, but he's still suspicious, working on that. :p

I am all for the idea of premium memberships, I mean, lots of forums out there require you to pay for a membership and it is taken for granted here. I sure would consider paying a monthly subscription once I am old enough to have my own debit/credit card. :)

Legend of Lara
22-08-10, 23:09
Premium memberships would no doubt be a... "controversial" idea. :pi:

Catracoth
22-08-10, 23:10
I personally don't really have an issue against premium memberships, but I can see how it may prove unfair and problematic in the eyes of other members. Perhaps there are members who would donate generously but can't afford to, or members who are known to love the community who can't donate. I don't know. The idea of special treatment for donations seems a bit crass.

DgoOdz94
22-08-10, 23:10
Age and money does not allow my donations.... :(

I like the idea of the premium memberships. Sounds very nice.

Love2Raid
22-08-10, 23:12
I´m all for premium memberships now, as long as it doesn´t affect the members who can´t afford to donate in a negative way. Bigger avatars, badges, the ability to upload your avatar, that seems fine to me.

If the survival of the forum is at stake, then why not. I have seen other forums with premium memberships and other ´awards´ for helpful members, it doesn´t seem to cause any trouble or negativity.

robm_2007
22-08-10, 23:12
if Premium Memberships generate the money required to pay for the costs that Google Adsense and donations dont, then let's have it!

(as long as we never actually have to have a required fee)

I, Tomb Raider
22-08-10, 23:13
Pity I can't donate, but I would. :/
Maybe it won't be too much but I'd love to contribute. :(

The "premium" membership is a nice idea. :tmb:

Catracoth
22-08-10, 23:14
How would these premium memberships come about? Would a member have to donate regularly to have one or is it acquired through a one-time donation?

Minty Mouth
22-08-10, 23:14
How would these premium memberships come about? Would a member have to donate regularly to have one or is it acquired through a one-time donation?

I guess it would be a monthly fee.

TheBloodRed
22-08-10, 23:16
Some things:

-Custom avatar
*I could see it working, just have a size limit that is suitable. I know some forums allow for vertically tall avatars but I dunno if vbulletin supports such things.

-Custom "rank"
*Customize what is said under your username. Some people might actually enjoy this as it sets them apart from others in a unique and personal way. OR you could just make a special "Contributor" forum mask just so you can see who has donated.

-Custom colors
*Again I don't know if vbulletin supports this but customizing username and rank colors could be something to ponder as well.

I may think of more so I will post them in the thread as they come to me. I am trying to consider the limits of vbulletin too so some of my ideas won't work so I just didn't post them up here at the moment.

Catracoth
22-08-10, 23:16
I guess it would be a monthly fee.

I thought so. In all honesty, like I said, I personally don't have a problem. Donations and payments aren't mandatory, so this doesn't affect me negatively.

Legend of Lara
22-08-10, 23:18
-Custom avatar
*I could see it working, just have a size limit that is suitable. I know some forums allow for vertically tall avatars but I dunno if vbulletin supports such things.

I don't know if that's a good idea. The ability to upload your own avatars sounds better (and more fair) to me. :/

Minty Mouth
22-08-10, 23:19
I can't say I would make use of such an addition to the forum, but I wouldn't oppose it either. People can do whatever they want with their money.

Love2Raid
22-08-10, 23:20
This is an example of what I was talking about in my previous post: http://www.xbox360achievements.org/forum/showthread.php?t=56120

Seems to be going just fine. :)

Catracoth
22-08-10, 23:20
I don't know if that's a good idea. The ability to upload your own avatars sounds better (and more fair) to me. :/

I'm with you there.
I don't mind premium members getting better features, but still, let's keep some things fair.

Niveus
22-08-10, 23:21
-Custom "rank"
*Customize what is said under your username. Some people might actually enjoy this as it sets them apart from others in a unique and personal way. OR you could just make a special "Contributor" forum mask just so you can see who has donated.

That is what a signature is for. :)
I like the fact that titles are only given to people who contribute a huge amount to the community. For example, rr_carrol, Eleni, Chocolate, The Great Chi...

Everyone having a title doesn't make it special anymore.

TheBloodRed
22-08-10, 23:21
I don't know if that's a good idea. The ability to upload your own avatars sounds better (and more fair) to me. :/

Well I did mention custom avatars! xD

Allow animating ones etc. But with the vertical ones, you'd have to go to a forum that has them already to see what I am saying. I dunno if I can link to other forums but I know some sites that have it if I will be allowed to post where so that you can see what I am talking about. >_<;;

Catracoth
22-08-10, 23:29
For the record, I don't have anything against the idea, but there needs to be a limit should they go into affect. Love2Raid brought up an excellent idea here (http://www.tombraiderforums.com/showpost.php?p=4842354&postcount=15) that another forum incorporates and I think it would do well if TRF adopted it. I know for a fact that there will be endless controversy should this go into affect improperly.

Point being, if premium members are going to get special treatment because they pay monthly, that's fine, but it should be limited. Nothing overtly advertising that they're subscribers or give donations, because it's flashy and it comes off as "I donate and you don't - I'm better than you." I think perhaps a different coloured username on the board instead of the default blue and the ability to upload your own avatars are fine.

Of course, there will probably be more features (beyond my imagination at the moment) but they should be simple like the aforementioned features.

]{eith
22-08-10, 23:30
Upload our own avatars?

http://i35.************/211l83c.gif

What else?

thecentaur
22-08-10, 23:32
Perhaps the premium memberships may work like on deviantART?

I as well can see how much of a controversy this new feature might stir. A good incentive for those to donate nonetheless :tmb:

As much as I would love to donate, I'm still residing with my parents and they still are unaware that I am on these forums so asking them to donate to this website is out of the question (at least for them) :(

Saphyre
22-08-10, 23:39
Premium memberships is a GOOD idea. It gives people incentive to donate. And if there is an incentive to donate, then that means they'll be more people donating.

TheBloodRed
22-08-10, 23:56
The options are still very small at what the premium services would allow. We gotta think of some outstanding offers to make people want to come back every month with a payment. D:

Niveus
23-08-10, 00:00
The options are still very small at what the premium services would allow. We gotta think of some outstanding offers to make people want to come back every month with a payment. D:

It's limited to what VBulliten can do. I don't think you can set custom colours for people. I think custom avatars/profile pictures/albums etc is incentive enough. It would be for me.

xcrushterx
23-08-10, 00:03
It's limited to what VBulliten can do. I don't think you can set custom colours for people. I think custom avatars/profile pictures/albums etc is incentive enough. It would be for me.
^Custom username colours are possible with vBulletin.

TheBloodRed
23-08-10, 00:03
I know on some boards I bypassed that by inputting HTML into the username to change the color but I don't think vbulletin would support that either.

Darn you vbulletin for being so secure!! But that is a good thing. xD

Catracoth
23-08-10, 00:06
I think custom avatars/profile pictures/albums etc is incentive enough. It would be for me.

I keep seeing custom this and custom that.
What do you mean by custom? We can already make our own avatars, profile pictures, and create albums.

xcrushterx
23-08-10, 00:07
To be honest, I don't like the idea of having to pay to upload your own avatars. Every forum I have ever came across that allows avatars lets you do this anyway. Just seems a bit daft having to pay for it here, and not everywhere else.

I know on some boards I bypassed that by inputting HTML into the username to change the color but I don't think vbulletin would support that either.

Darn you vbulletin for being so secure!! But that is a good thing. xD

I dunno exactly how vBulletin works, but I'm almost 100% certain that it'll be in the usergroup settings somewhere. There should be a field that you input html that you'd like to wrap around the usernames of all members belonging to the group. Voila! We have colours.

[Xmas]
23-08-10, 00:15
Justin, Justin...

You don't even know how big drama are you going to start :mis:
__________________________________________________

"TRF: We know drama."

Legend of Lara
23-08-10, 00:16
;4842519']Justin, Justin...

You don't even know how big drama are you going to start :mis:
__________________________________________________

"TRF: We know drama."

Everything starts drama here on Tee Arr Eff. ;D

You're all going to die in 2 weeks. I called it!

Lizard of Oz
23-08-10, 00:16
Yeah, I can see why some people would consider that to be a little unfair, specially since a lot of people here are not old enough to donate...

But business is business, I say go ahead and do it;) I don't have a relevant problem against that. On you go, Justin :)

TheBloodRed
23-08-10, 00:26
I keep seeing custom this and custom that.
What do you mean by custom? We can already make our own avatars, profile pictures, and create albums.

Custom as in the size you want(with a maximum of course) and possibly animating avatars.

Currently avatars have to be a certain size and cannot be animating. :3

Love2Raid
23-08-10, 00:28
What do you mean by ´animating avatars´? We already can have animating avatars, it´s the size limit of the picture that matters. ;)

]{eith
23-08-10, 00:28
Custom as in the size you want(with a maximum of course) and possibly animating avatars.

Currently avatars have to be a certain size and cannot be animating. :3

They can't?

Catracoth
23-08-10, 00:31
{eith;4842556']They can't?

:vlol:

Tombraiderx08
23-08-10, 00:35
Im not real big on the premium thing :/

Ward Dragon
23-08-10, 00:36
{eith;4842556']They can't?

The Togepi has spoken :p That little guy looks so happy, makes me smile every time :D

Draco
23-08-10, 00:41
Premium membership... I suppose it would have to be spelled out.

What would be taken away that we would need Premium to get back or what is being added that we can't get/do now?

Love2Raid
23-08-10, 00:41
{eith;4842556']They can't?
There is no spoon.

Dingaling
23-08-10, 00:41
My question is: Is there a minimum amount you would have to donate to become a premium member? You could donate £1 - does that mean you become a premium member or would the minimum amount donated have to be higher?

Ability to upload your own avatars, custom rank, slightly longer signatures, coloured usernames, less wait between searches, etc. all seem to be nice little features to being a premium member and also not taking anything away from normal users. (I bags Raiding God as a custom rank.)

However, instead of calling them donations why don't you just implement premium memberships in themselves? It'd get rid of the stigma of donators being 'better' than others - it purely becomes business as opposed to charity with rewards.

TombRaider4444
23-08-10, 00:41
Please don't restrict some forums like art and general chat to premium. The fact premium sounds 18+ because it requres paypal and or a creditcard I think have a real 18+ forum where you can post pictures or videos of a sexual nature or porn or something. or Something of a 18+ violent nature like a kill bill clip or something

moodydog
23-08-10, 00:42
{eith;4842556']They can't?

:vlol: :vlol:

The irony!

[Xmas]
23-08-10, 00:47
That is what a signature is for. :)
I like the fact that titles are only given to those who contribute a huge amount to the community. For example, rr_carrol, Eleni, Chocolate, The Great Chi, [Xmas]....*Fixed*

Draco
23-08-10, 00:49
That is what a signature is for. :)
I like the fact that titles are only given to people who contribute a huge amount to the community. For example, rr_carrol, Eleni, Chocolate, The Great Chi...

Not everyone...

Though I haven't contributed much lol.

TheBloodRed
23-08-10, 00:51
{eith;4842556']They can't?

Hmm, maybe people don't use animating ones that often. ANDDD I don't frequent Open Chat so I would totally miss them if they existed on the site.

*Sends out Charizard to eat Togepi*

xcrushterx
23-08-10, 00:52
I don't see the point in the incentives being things you can do/get elsewhere for free. Not many people would really go for it if that was the case. I think that those things should be implemented, but not without some other TRF exclusive goodies.

Melonie Tomb Raider
23-08-10, 00:54
I would LOVE the option to purchase a premium membership. :D As long as the price is reasonable, of course. :p

TheBloodRed
23-08-10, 00:56
The point still stands that if I were employed I would have at least donated once by now but meh. This site really needs all the help it could get to stay afloat but incentive really would be a good thing to have to get more funding.

Or you can just sell the site to Eidos? :ton:

Love2Raid
23-08-10, 00:56
I don't see the point in the incentives being things you can do/get elsewhere for free. Not many people would really go for it if that was the case. I think that those things should be implemented, but not without some other TRF exclusive goodies.
How about a spam-license? :mis:

:}hello friend
23-08-10, 00:57
As long as the only option isn't to upload your own avatar. I don't change much, and that would be a huge waste for me.

TheBloodRed
23-08-10, 00:58
How about a spam-license? :mis:

I considered that but even paid members should be true to the TOS. No exceptions!! :cln:

(though it would be nice ;))

aktrekker
23-08-10, 01:01
How about an extra warning before they're banned? :ton:

aurora89
23-08-10, 01:01
I would potentially buy a membership for the ability to change my own avatar and/or have a cooler signature of some kind. :p

Mr.Burns
23-08-10, 01:03
If it means I can change my title to "Lord of the Birds" I'm game. :whi: :D

dizzydoil
23-08-10, 01:03
I think it's a splendid idea, and considering it's a business decision- I'm all for it, especially if it's best for you, Justin. :)

:}hello friend
23-08-10, 01:04
How about an extra warning before they're banned? :ton:
Now that's something worth paying for!

interstellardave
23-08-10, 01:04
The current sigs are far too short, IMO... but paid memberships ought to offer something of substance; heck I don't know what that would be, but stuff you can do anywhere else for free isn't it!

Niveus
23-08-10, 01:06
I don't really like the idea of coloured this, coloured that. I hate going on forums and seeing explosions of colour. It looks really messy and annoying to sift through. I much prefer the idea of (sorry for not putting it like this Catracoth) the ability to uploads our own avatars/album pics/profile pics, as well as other things mentioned like, a quicker wait between searches, new coloured forum skins, other things like that. :) Just my own cents though, I can see it working out however it is implemented. :D

TheBloodRed
23-08-10, 01:09
Why can't TheBloodRed actually be red? :ton:
--

And yeah! Extra warning before being banned!! xD

Dingaling
23-08-10, 01:09
The current sigs are far too short, IMO... but paid memberships ought to offer something of substance; heck I don't know what that would be, but stuff you can do anywhere else for free isn't it!

Like a member-only forum, access to the latest Tomb Raider news first - announcements of when things will be announced (e.g. on Friday 27th July 2011 (note: may not be a Friday) tlr_online posts: TR9 announcement news coming September 12th 2011), exclusive access to high-definition artwork, trailers, demos before anyone else, priority help, a free member gift, an area of the forum where CrystalD members CAN post (granted that would fit in with the member-only forum possibly), etc.?

I don't really like the idea of coloured this, coloured that.

I think if it's a colour that works, it's fine. Say the premium membership colour is black and the normal members colour is blue it wouldn't look that out of place.

[Xmas]
23-08-10, 01:10
How about an extra warning before they're banned? :ton:That's something I'll pay for! :vlol:

:}hello friend
23-08-10, 01:13
Things I would like to see implemented:

- Longer signatures, perhaps the ability to put pictures in signatures.
- The ability to change your user-title.
- Heat Vision

Just things of that nature. :P

[Xmas]
23-08-10, 01:14
Like a member-only forum, access to the latest Tomb Raider news first - announcements of when things will be announced (e.g. on Friday 27th July 2011 (note: may not be a Friday) tlr_online posts: TR9 announcement news coming September 12th 2011), exclusive access to high-definition artwork, trailers, demos before anyone else, priority help, a free member gift, an area of the forum where CrystalD members CAN post (granted that would fit in with the member-only forum possibly) and Xbox 360 exclusive exclusivity forum, etc.?*Fixed*

interstellardave
23-08-10, 01:15
Like a member-only forum, access to the latest Tomb Raider news first - announcements of when things will be announced (e.g. on Friday 27th July 2011 (note: may not be a Friday) tlr_online posts: TR9 announcement news coming September 12th 2011), exclusive access to high-definition artwork, trailers, demos before anyone else, priority help, a free member gift, an area of the forum where CrystalD members CAN post (granted that would fit in with the member-only forum possibly), etc.?

That's more like it, yes. People would pay for that... a lot of them would. And, with money coming in, more could be done for all members, probably.

TheBloodRed
23-08-10, 01:53
;4842679']*Fixed*

OMFG!! :vlol:

Too bad PS3 and Wii are the only ones with a web browser!

voltz
23-08-10, 02:11
Like a member-only forum, access to the latest Tomb Raider news first - announcements of when things will be announced (e.g. on Friday 27th July 2011 (note: may not be a Friday) tlr_online posts: TR9 announcement news coming September 12th 2011), exclusive access to high-definition artwork, trailers, demos before anyone else, priority help, a free member gift, an area of the forum where CrystalD members CAN post (granted that would fit in with the member-only forum possibly), etc.?

Wonderful way to divide the community! :cln:

TombRaider4444
23-08-10, 02:13
How about we just get every user every day to click on a advert.

Draco
23-08-10, 02:15
How about we just get every user every day to click on a advert.

That was tried to death. Literally. Kurt is no longer with us.

Phlip
23-08-10, 02:16
I don't see why we should pay for things almost all other forums have for free. I really think either the adverts should be bigger with another at the bottom, or we move to IPB.

interstellardave
23-08-10, 02:17
Wonderful way to divide the community! :cln:

Well no-one is going to pay money and get nothing in return. Depends on how much this "premium membership" costs, of course, but, yes, it will divide the forum between paying members and non-paying. That's how it should be... or just don't do it in the first place.

[Xmas]
23-08-10, 02:21
I don't see why we should pay for things almost all other forums have for free.I agree. Why pay for something you can do automatically and for free on all other forums? :cool:

aktrekker
23-08-10, 02:40
Then go to the other forums and do those things.

Or support this forum and do those things here.

t-raider26
23-08-10, 02:41
Because TRF is better than other forums. And in order to keep the forum awesome, there are fees that need to be paid. And I dont think its fair that Justin should pay for them all himself. If you wanna be able to do all those things for free go, then to another forum.


As for the donating, I 100% woul, but Im only 15 :o And I dont mind the idea of premium memberships, as long as regular members dont have to be

[Xmas]
23-08-10, 02:44
Or support this forum and do those things here.That's just one of the reasons I don't like another exclusive exclusivity idea.
This idea of "premium" membership can easily separate the members here. And no, I don't like it.

Is there anyone else who thinks there's too much exclusivity these days :confused:

]{eith
23-08-10, 02:50
Then go to the other forums and do those things.

Or support this forum and do those things here.

That people post here despite not having the options they would on a lot of other forums shows that they already support it. The whole 'if you don't like it, there's the door' attitude is so tired. A forum staff should be able to take feedback from its members.

[Xmas]
23-08-10, 02:51
{eith;4842854']The whole 'if you don't like it, there's the door' attitude is so tired. A forum staff should be able to take feedback from its members. +1 :tmb:

interstellardave
23-08-10, 02:56
{eith;4842854']That people post here despite not having the options they would on a lot of other forums shows that they already support it. The whole 'if you don't like it, there's the door' attitude is so tired. A forum staff should be able to take feedback from its members.

I agree, and those small things aren't worth paying for, in any event. I'd love to have a bigger avatar, and a longer sig (or pics in the sig) but I'm not going to pay for it, LOL! If I pay for a premium membership something better than that needs to be offered; that's common sense.

Encore
23-08-10, 03:00
{eith;4842854']That people post here despite not having the options they would on a lot of other forums shows that they already support it.

You're almost suggesting that the forum depends on our presence, and it partly does, but it mostly depends on Justin having the money to keep it up... If at some point he can no longer afford these expenses, all our "moral support" will have no use whatsoever. :o

Carbonek_0051
23-08-10, 03:02
{eith;4842854']That people post here despite not having the options they would on a lot of other forums shows that they already support it. The whole 'if you don't like it, there's the door' attitude is so tired. A forum staff should be able to take feedback from its members.

I agree, and those small things aren't worth paying for, in any event. I'd love to have a bigger avatar, and a longer sig (or pics in the sig) but I'm not going to pay for it, LOL! If I pay for a premium membership something better than that needs to be offered; that's common sense.
I definitely agree.

interstellardave
23-08-10, 03:03
You're almost suggesting that the forum depends on our presence, and it partly does, but it mostly depends on Justin having the money to keep it up... If at some point he can no longer afford these expenses, all our "moral support" will have no use whatsoever. :o

Yeah, but if they want people to stay--and some to pay--then the attitude of "go elsewhere for that, then" is crazy! And "stay here and pay for these small things that are free elsewhere" is likewise fruitless.

I've got to believe that there will be perks beyond uploading your own avatar and such. :)

Dingaling
23-08-10, 03:03
;4842679']*Fixed*

LOL!

Wonderful way to divide the community! :cln:

It was only after iDave mentioned substance that I thought of those ideas but I'm not really sure how it would divide the community. I doubt many people, if any, who had a premium membership would think they're superior but the additional perks would obviously make it a better overall experience for those who do have it.

A lot of people mention this divide but I don't really see it happening. Those who have the premium mebership aren't exactly going to become a clique and just post in the 'exclusive' forum or anything and talk about how crap those who don't have the premium membership are :p.

]{eith
23-08-10, 03:04
You're almost suggesting that the forum depends on our presence, and it partly does, but it mostly depends on Justin having the money to keep it up... If at some point he can no longer afford these expenses, all our "moral support" will have no use whatsoever. :o

Well yes, of course it depends on Justin being able to pay for it but it also depends on having members in the first place too or else what's the point in having a forum if there's no members? :p

Yeah, but if they want people to stay--and some to pay--then the attitude of "go elsewhere for that, then" is crazy! And "stay here and pay for these small things that are free elsewhere" is likewise fruitless.

I've got to believe that there will be perks beyond uploading your own avatar and such. :)

Said it better than I could.

Encore
23-08-10, 03:08
Yeah, but if they want people to stay--and some to pay--then the attitude of "go elsewhere for that, then" is crazy! And "stay here and pay for these small things that are free elsewhere" is likewise fruitless.

I've got to believe that there will be perks beyond uploading your own avatar and such. :)

I know what you mean. I'm on the fence on whether I would pay myself. I like it here, but I confess that I don't really feel like it's worth paying for.

aktrekker
23-08-10, 03:12
{eith;4842854']That people post here despite not having the options they would on a lot of other forums shows that they already support it. The whole 'if you don't like it, there's the door' attitude is so tired. A forum staff should be able to take feedback from its members.
That may be what you read but it is not what I wrote.
Since you can't do those little things here, the choice is obvious. Do them at the other places where they are allowed. But you can't do them here.
If they are provided as part of a premium membership then you can support the forum and do those things here.

Is that easier to understand?

TombRaider4444
23-08-10, 03:14
I think what would be more accessible to the younger audience would be if we could mail you real cash to a P.O Box in ANY currency and get it all converted with one trip to the bank each month. Wouldn't any one agree? IF every member gave a one time fee like of €15 $20 10 Pounds and then can get bigger avatars. HD content 24 hours before non members. Like setup a forum with a password.

aktrekker
23-08-10, 03:19
What if someone gives out the password?

TombRaider4444
23-08-10, 03:22
What if someone gives out the password?

Ok, how about how does the mature general chat work? I remember you need to send something right? So in the letter i'd give 20 bucks with your username. Then TLR enables you to access the account. I think TLR needs to tell us the rates he pays per user for a year then we give him that cash for a year membership.

]{eith
23-08-10, 03:31
That may be what you read but it is not what I wrote.
Since you can't do those little things here, the choice is obvious. Do them at the other places where they are allowed. But you can't do them here.
If they are provided as part of a premium membership then you can support the forum and do those things here.

Is that easier to understand?

Your charm has won me over. I'll get my credit card. http://i33.************/2czsz15.jpg

Encore
23-08-10, 03:32
{eith;4842940']Your charm has won me over. I'll get my credit card. http://i33.************/2czsz15.jpg

Lmao :vlol:

SamReeves
23-08-10, 03:33
That may be what you read but it is not what I wrote.
Since you can't do those little things here, the choice is obvious. Do them at the other places where they are allowed. But you can't do them here.
If they are provided as part of a premium membership then you can support the forum and do those things here.

Is that easier to understand?

I wouldn't buy a premium membership from you. Have fun with all 20 members when you show the rest of us the door.

interstellardave
23-08-10, 03:33
{eith;4842940']Your charm has won me over. I'll get my credit card. http://i33.************/2czsz15.jpg

Absolutely perfect response. :D

I wouldn't buy a premium membership from you. Have fun with all 20 members when you show the rest of us the door. Oh, Sam...

Apathetic
23-08-10, 03:56
I wouldn't buy a premium membership from you. Have fun with all 20 members when you show the rest of us the door.

:vlol:

MattTR
23-08-10, 03:57
I really don't like this idea the more I think about it, as much as I am willing to help Justin with donations (having done so once before), this whole "premium" membership thing just doesn't seem like something I'm a fan of.

It'll seperate us, make people better than others.. and even if it's only just custom ranks and bigger avatars/signatures, it still doesn't feel right to me.

robm_2007
23-08-10, 04:00
^Youre welcome to stay with the Peasants in the slums; I however, and fond of this 'Premium Membership' idea and plan to eventually become one of the Elites of TRF, as I sit on my high-horse:wve:

MattTR
23-08-10, 04:02
^Youre welcome to stay with the Peasants in the slums; I however, and fond of this 'Premium Membership' idea and plan to eventually become one of the Elites of TRF, as I sit on my high-horse:wve:

Of course I have a higher post count and have been here longer than you, so har, har, har! :ton:

Things like this you can't take away from me, never! ;) :vlol:

Apathetic
23-08-10, 04:03
^Youre welcome to stay with the Peasants in the slums; I however, and fond of this 'Premium Membership' idea and plan to eventually become one of the Elites of TRF, as I sit on my high-horse:wve:

Are you being serious?

MattTR
23-08-10, 04:04
Are you being serious?

This is TRF, come on now. :ton:

















Of course he was.

robm_2007
23-08-10, 04:07
Are you being serious?

If you need to ask, then you obviously are one of the aforementioned people doomed to live in the Wastelands of Peasantry.

Niveus
23-08-10, 04:10
I was for this idea but... I guess not now. So many people are overreacting really. If people on both sides of said "divide" aren't even willing to set aside a simple difference in avatar and whatever else, then I don't see the point in trying. As I understand nothing will be taken away from free memberships.

And also, there already are divides.
People who are talented with art and other expressive outlets are held in higher respect. People who have hight post counts are held in higher respect. People who have been here longer. People who speak good English.
I don't even see there being a divide between premium and non-premium. :o

ThatNorskChick
23-08-10, 04:14
I'm pretty indifferent to the idea. I personally wouldn't ever pay for something like that.

MattTR
23-08-10, 04:17
I'm pretty indifferent to the idea. I personally wouldn't ever pay for something like that.

Put your money where your mouth is. :mad:

(I'm kidding, I love you.) :gki:

aktrekker
23-08-10, 05:10
Ok, how about how does the mature general chat work? I remember you need to send something right? So in the letter i'd give 20 bucks with your username. Then TLR enables you to access the account. I think TLR needs to tell us the rates he pays per user for a year then we give him that cash for a year membership.
That would be a better way to do it.

And apparently some people still have comprehension problems :rolleyes:
Schools today are obviously failing majorly in the basics.
Or is it just a prepubescent attitude problem :ton:

Melonie Tomb Raider
23-08-10, 05:34
Oh man, if we got signatures, I would totally be on a premium membership! :yah:

aktrekker
23-08-10, 05:38
I see a signature in your post.:confused:

t-raider26
23-08-10, 05:40
I think she means signatures with pictures

Apathetic
23-08-10, 05:42
That would be a better way to do it.

And apparently some people still have comprehension problems :rolleyes:
Schools today are obviously failing majorly in the basics.
Or is it just a prepubescent attitude problem :ton:

Okay seriously? What the hell is it with you and constantly judging others? You always have a constant attitude. Learn respect. I'm sure me and countless others are sick of you. It's pretty sad a 14 year old has to say this to someone older.

t-raider26
23-08-10, 05:43
Okay seriously? What the hell is it with you and constantly judging others. You always have a constant attitude. Learn respect. It's pretty sad a 14 year old has to say this to someone older.

0_0

Uzi master
23-08-10, 05:52
Okay seriously? What the hell is it with you and constantly judging others. You always have a constant attitude. Learn respect. It's pretty sad a 14 year old has to say this to someone older.

:tmb:

in one thread I decided to act like him and see how he would respond...

SkyPuppy
23-08-10, 06:34
Okay seriously? What the hell is it with you and constantly judging others? You always have a constant attitude. Learn respect. I'm sure me and countless others are sick of you. It's pretty sad a 14 year old has to say this to someone older.

i 100% agree, Jay. <3

Thorir
23-08-10, 06:47
The idea of charging money to allow people to upload avatars is ridiculous.
You're going to have to offer something better than that.

aktrekker
23-08-10, 07:03
Okay seriously? What the hell is it with you and constantly judging others? You always have a constant attitude. Learn respect. I'm sure me and countless others are sick of you. It's pretty sad a 14 year old has to say this to someone older.

0_0

:tmb:

in one thread I decided to act like him and see how he would respond...

i 100% agree, Jay. <3

I refer you to where the problem started.
http://www.tombraiderforums.com/showpost.php?p=4842909&postcount=84

Try reading what people post, then show some respect yourself.
What goes around comes around.

And apparently it's a comprehension problem. Not only don't you understand the text you don't understand emoticons.

Uzi master
23-08-10, 07:07
first, though someone else said theres the door, you're refering them to go somewhere else is essectially the same and unnecessary as you could have just explained it

second you were doing the stuff appathetic said before that one comment,

thirdly you ended that post with another judgement of people.

Apathetic
23-08-10, 07:07
I refer you to where the problem started.
http://www.tombraiderforums.com/showpost.php?p=4842909&postcount=84

Try reading what people post, then show some respect yourself.
What goes around comes around.

And apparently it's a comprehension problem. Not only don't you understand the text you don't understand emoticons.

Right. :rolleyes: Like you've never disrespected someone intentionally several times on this forum under uncalled for circumstances. Don't even give me that you hypocrite.

]{eith
23-08-10, 07:07
I refer you to where the problem started.
http://www.tombraiderforums.com/showpost.php?p=4842909&postcount=84

Try reading what people post, then show some respect yourself.
What goes around comes around.

And apparently it's a comprehension problem. Not only don't you understand the text you don't understand emoticons.

If you want to blame me for your appalling attitude, that's fine. I really couldn't care less. :p I just find it hilarious that Apathetic calls you out for being overly judgmental of other members and you respond by judging him. Nice one. :tmb:

aktrekker
23-08-10, 07:16
first, though someone else said theres the door, you're refering them to go somewhere else is essectially the same and unnecessary as you could have just explained it
Someone else said it. I said to do those things you can't do here but can do on the other forums, go to the other forums to do them. That is not pointing to the door.

second you were doing the stuff appathetic said before that one comment,
Where?

thirdly you ended that post with another judgement of people.
I only pointed out the obvious. There is a comprehension problem and you demonstrated it again.
Even if you take this time as a judgment, the first was an obvious joke, or did you miss the obvious and animated emoticon?

Right. :rolleyes: Like you've never disrespected someone intentionally several times on this forum under uncalled for circumstances. Don't even give me that you hypocrite.
Can you point out these several occurrences?

{eith;4843227']If you want to blame me for your appalling attitude, that's fine. I really couldn't care less. :p I just find it hilarious that Apathetic calls you out for being overly judgmental of other members and you respond by judging him. Nice one. :tmb:
Again, I just pointed out the obvious.
Again, this all began because you couldn't comprehend an obvious joke.

If you actually read what is posted you won't make such elementary mistakes.

SkyPuppy
23-08-10, 07:17
{eith;4843227']If you want to blame me for your appalling attitude, that's fine. I really couldn't care less. :p I just find it hilarious that Apathetic calls you out for being overly judgmental of other members and you respond by judging him. Nice one. :tmb:

]{eith, you're a big jerk!!! :p but since i used an emoticon i guess it's ok for me to call you that, right? ^_^

]{eith
23-08-10, 07:18
Again, I just pointed out the obvious.
Again, this all began because you couldn't comprehend an obvious joke.

If you actually read what is posted you won't make such elementary mistakes.



Oh that was a joke? Wow. You're not funny. You should try something else. Smarts doesn't seem to be your strong point either. I'm not judging you, just pointing out the obvious. :) Good day, sir.

patriots88888
23-08-10, 07:22
The idea of charging money to allow people to upload avatars is ridiculous.
You're going to have to offer something better than that.

My personal opinion is, if the admin. can't keep up with the costs to offer a totally free forum, maybe it's serious time he considerd selling it to someone who can.

Apathetic
23-08-10, 07:22
Someone else said it. I said to do those things you can't do here but can do on the other forums, go to the other forums to do them. That is not pointing to the door.


Where?


I only pointed out the obvious. There is a comprehension problem and you demonstrated it again.
Even if you take this time as a judgment, the first was an obvious joke, or did you miss the obvious and animated emoticon?


Can you point out these several occurrences?


Again, I just pointed out the obvious.
Again, this all began because you couldn't comprehend an obvious joke.

If you actually read what is posted you won't make such elementary mistakes.

Why don't you just give it up? :rolleyes: You are such a troll, I've no idea how you're still a moderator. Quit being so god damn immature.

Uzi master
23-08-10, 07:22
Someone else said it. I said to do those things you can't do here but can do on the other forums, go to the other forums to do them. That is not pointing to the door.


Where?


I only pointed out the obvious. There is a comprehension problem and you demonstrated it again.
Even if you take this time as a judgment, the first was an obvious joke, or did you miss the obvious and animated emoticon?


Can you point out these several occurrences?


Again, I just pointed out the obvious.
Again, this all began because you couldn't comprehend an obvious joke.

If you actually read what is posted you won't make such elementary mistakes.

if it's the joke I'm thinking of you insulted a member, wether or not there was a smily I think a mod would be above personnal insults, but now you are directly and non-jokingley insulting people. and I think you can look back at some of you're more recent posts yourself and see how you have acted.

in my own opinion you just got worse, you've had this attitude for a while but again, it's gotten worse;)

SkyPuppy
23-08-10, 07:28
i'll donate if a certain person gets de-throwned. ;)

Apathetic
23-08-10, 07:49
i'll donate if a certain person gets de-throwned. ;)

This.

jaywalker
23-08-10, 07:52
grr i'd written a long reply, but the backup kicked in and lost it :(

Ahh well

Basically what i wrote was that i'd rather see premium accounts with new features, like more msgs, quicker post/search ability (not 1 a min etc) then see the forum/trc site disappear.

As long as what is available NOW remains available for free to everyone, and premium get new features for THIS forum (comparing what you get on other forums is not applicable in this case i feel) then i say go for it, or would people rather see this all shutdown out of `principle`?

Another Lara
23-08-10, 07:53
I haven't read all the posts on this thread, but I have got the general idea of it and I don't understand why people are acting so dramatic and like spoilt children about this!

Justin has put an idea forward for an option where people can make a donation and get extras out of it... what's wrong with that?! He's been good enough to keep this place open for as long as he has with money from his own pocket, and seeing as asking for donations the usual way is not getting anywhere, then offering extras in return for money is the only option.

If people want to keep their free account then fair enough, good for you, but I'm more than happy to keep this place going with a few quid of my wages. It's not as if the options that people have now are going to be taken away and then offered back at a price, so why moan about it?!

I've been to forums where this was never an option and you had to pay no matter what, so I'm really up for this idea of having the option! People should stop throwing their toys out of the pram and stop being bitter about the fact that if people can afford to help then they will and that Justin wants to offer something as a thank you! :)

jaywalker
23-08-10, 07:57
Oh yeh that was the thing i didnt mention. Thanks AL for reminding me

Why do people automatically assume that someone who has paid will become such a `pain` and act all high and mighty and therefore feel is superior? talk about overreacting..

I would happily pay to keep this place going, and its got nothing to do with my `position` at Square or `feelings of superiority` over people. Its purely because i want to keep one of the best websites on the net going.

Uzi master
23-08-10, 07:58
This.
this +1 :tmb:
grr i'd written a long reply, but the backup kicked in and lost it :(

Ahh well

Basically what i wrote was that i'd rather see premium accounts with new features, like more msgs, quicker post/search ability (not 1 a min etc) then see the forum/trc site disappear.

As long as what is available NOW remains available for free to everyone, and premium get new features for THIS forum (comparing what you get on other forums is not applicable in this case i feel) then i say go for it, or would people rather see this all shutdown out of `principle`?

sounds ideal, just wish I could contribute, but my mother's very apprehensive about online payment's...


I haven't read all the posts on this thread, but I have got the general idea of it and I don't understand why people are acting so dramatic and like spoilt children about this!

Justin has put an idea forward for an option where people can make a donation and get extras out of it... what's wrong with that?! He's been good enough to keep this place open for as long as he has with money from his own pocket, and seeing as asking for donations the usual way is not getting anywhere, then offering extras in return for money is the only option.

If people want to keep their free account then fair enough, good for you, but I'm more than happy to keep this place going with a few quid of my wages. It's not as if the options that people have now are going to be taken away and then offered back at a price, so why moan about it?!

I've been to forums where this was never an option and you had to pay no matter what, so I'm really up for this idea of having the option! People should stop throwing their toys out of the pram and stop being bitter about the fact that if people can afford to help then they will and that Justin wants to offer something as a thank you! :)

Most people aren'nt making a big deal over premeum accounts per se, just having old features made so you have to pay for it, rather than paying for new features, other's are worrying theres going to be a divide, in which case just don't make an exclusive forums;)

jaywalker
23-08-10, 08:01
Most people aren'nt making a big deal over premeum accounts per se, just having old features made so you have to pay for it, rather than paying for new features, other's are worrying theres going to be a divide, in which case just don't make an exclusive forums;)

but thats the thing, NOTHING has been said about what features would be added or what would happen, or any `split`, people have just instantly gone off assuming what it means.. Justin was asking people for ideas etc.. if people just actually replied to his question of giving suggestions as to what could work that would be cool, but that wouldnt be TRF if it didnt turn into a moan about someone or something ;)

tlr online
23-08-10, 08:01
Just to clarify. For most of you there would be no changes. You will continue to use the forum completely free, as you are now. These changes would add additional features for those who wish to show their support in other ways than donations.

My personal opinion is, if the admin. can't keep up with the costs to offer a totally free forum, maybe it's serious time he considerd selling it to someone who can.

I had to read this twice, to make sure I hadn't misunderstood you. I'm glad you are here, using my resources for free.

patriots88888
23-08-10, 08:01
I couldn't care less about any 'extras', but every month we see the same thing over and over again about having difficulty meeting server expenses. Why not just sell the forum to someone who can foot the bill? It appears, to me anyways, that our admin. isn't in good enough financial status to be offering what was supposed to be, a totally free forum. Premium memberships disqualifies that status no matter what the 'rewards' are in return.

remote91
23-08-10, 08:01
Srsly.. donating to get yourself a pimped out account?

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jaywalker
23-08-10, 08:05
I couldn't care less about any 'extras', but every month we see the same thing over and over again about having difficulty meeting server expenses. Why not just sell the forum to someone who can foot the bill? It appears, to me anyways, that our admin. isn't in good enough financial status to be offering what was supposed to be, a totally free forum. Premium memberships disqualifies that status no matter what the 'rewards' are in return.

erm.. as justin said, i had to re-read this.. so u seriously think that everything `free` is free for everyone, including the people who create it etc? wow. u have no idea how much servers cost, how much hosting costs etc do you? the TIME taken to keep things going?

sigh..

Srsly.. donating to get yourself a pimped out account?



how about just donating to keep the site going!? i dont need to `pimp out` my account

tlr online
23-08-10, 08:06
I couldn't care less about any 'extras', but every month we see the same thing over and over again about having difficulty meeting server expenses. Why not just sell the forum to someone who can foot the bill? It appears, to me anyways, that our admin. isn't in good enough financial status to be offering what was supposed to be, a totally free forum. Premium memberships disqualifies that status no matter what the 'rewards' are in return.

You are referring to me and you can offer me the courtesy of addressing me directly. I have been paying the server fees since 2000. During this time, the monthly fees have been as much as 1,500£. At no point have you heard me complain. You have enjoyed access to our magazine, downloads and forum for free. Your contempt at there now being a model in place to accept donations stuns me.

t-raider26
23-08-10, 08:09
We've got some very bold members on this forum :whi:

Alpharaider47
23-08-10, 08:10
I couldn't care less about any 'extras', but every month we see the same thing over and over again about having difficulty meeting server expenses. Why not just sell the forum to someone who can foot the bill? It appears, to me anyways, that our admin. isn't in good enough financial status to be offering what was supposed to be, a totally free forum. Premium memberships disqualifies that status no matter what the 'rewards' are in return.

But if the forums changed management so to speak, there's no guarantee that the new admin would be the same as Justin. Obviously he's dedicated to this place if he's been paying out of his own pocket to keep this place running. Honestly, I don't think *I* would, and because of that I really respect him.

I think the idea of a premium membership is def something to look into, if we can keep what we have for free anyways then how does it hurt anybody? We've all been here for as long as we have without them. If some extras for people who pay are enough for someone to jump ship, then it doesn't seem that they really valued this place much to begin with :o

Saphyre
23-08-10, 08:14
Of course you don't have to donate, but the need of donations etc. was gonna rear its head soon enough. People need to look at this from the admins POV. I can guarantee the last thing he wants is for this place to go under. Extra features is incentive to donate, because the mere fact you've supported a forum isn't incentive enough to a lot of people.

Another Lara
23-08-10, 08:14
I couldn't care less about any 'extras', but every month we see the same thing over and over again about having difficulty meeting server expenses. Why not just sell the forum to someone who can foot the bill? It appears, to me anyways, that our admin. isn't in good enough financial status to be offering what was supposed to be, a totally free forum. Premium memberships disqualifies that status no matter what the 'rewards' are in return.

Sorry but that is just rediculous! Are you being forced to pay?! No! Is the free forum going to be taken away from you?! No! It's merely an option to help Justin pay for something that he has a love for and doesn't want to see close!

People's arrogance and downright terriblle attitude on this forum really annoys me sometimes! :cen:

But if the forums changed management so to speak, there's no guarantee that the new admin would be the same as Justin. Obviously he's dedicated to this place if he's been paying out of his own pocket to keep this place running. Honestly, I don't think *I* would, and because of that I really respect him.

I think the idea of a premium membership is def something to look into, if we can keep what we have for free anyways then how does it hurt anybody? We've all been here for as long as we have without them. If some extras for people who pay are enough for someone to jump ship, then it doesn't seem that they really valued this place much to begin with :o

Exactly! Leave if it offends you that much that some people aren't stingey enough to actually want to help!

silviu_raider
23-08-10, 08:14
But if the forums changed management so to speak, there's no guarantee that the new admin would be the same as Justin. Obviously he's dedicated to this place if he's been paying out of his own pocket to keep this place running. Honestly, I don't think *I* would, and because of that I really respect him.
+ 1!!!


Would you like to get a new admin, that, let's just say, he'll be a real pain in the *** and he'd make you pay in order to visit and post on this website?
How would that make you feel?
Angered? Frustrated?
I think so!
So, before you say other things, please consider the effort that somebody's actually putting in order to maintain a forum for FREE so that you can post here for FREE!

Some people should show some respect!

patriots88888
23-08-10, 08:16
You are referring to me and you can offer me the courtesy of addressing me directly. I have been paying the server fees since 2000. During this time, the monthly fees have been as much as 1,500£. At no point have you heard me complain. You have enjoyed access to our magazine, downloads and forum for free. Your contempt at there now being a model in place to accept donations stuns me.

I'm not showing any contempt whatsoever. It's when we see donations constantly being asked for that I have to wonder if the forum might not be better handled financially by someone else. In stating as much, all I was doing was pointing out the obvious. There isn't any intended anymosity or ungrateful attitude. Sure, costs increase over time and most, if not all, are aware of the fact that you have put a lot of money and time into this forum. I just don't see how TRF can still be labeled a totally free forum if premium memberships are offered. That was the point.

Carbonek_0051
23-08-10, 08:18
Some people should show some respect!

Who's not showing respect?

SkyPuppy
23-08-10, 08:20
Who's not showing respect?

exactly what i was thinking. could people ass kiss anymore? seriously...

tlr online
23-08-10, 08:22
I'm not showing any contempt whatsoever. It's when we see donations constantly being asked for that I have to wonder if the forum might not be better handled financially by someone else.

Perhaps you are looking for an owner who will silently foot the bill every month and just keep quiet?

Whoever owns the forum will be forced to meet costs. The kind of services needed to keep a forum this size online are not free, they come at a premium. There is no profit made here either, it's all loss loss loss every month so you can enjoy being part of a community at absolutely no cost to you.

Contrary to your earlier assumption, I am financially able to meet the costs of the server each month, which is why the server is still online. By accepting donations and looking at other avenues to generate revenue, the forum might one day be less dependent on my wallet. For those who chose not to participate, it's business as usual.

Uzi master
23-08-10, 08:27
maybe a little sugestion, but I probably wouldn't mind an extra add spot or two on the forum, if that could help generate some more money to help pay the costs, merely a suggestion.

remote91
23-08-10, 08:29
Revolt my pretties, revolt!

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jaywalker
23-08-10, 08:34
exactly what i was thinking. could people ass kiss anymore? seriously...

not a case of kissing ass at all, its showing genuine support for the site a lot of people frequent.. if people see that as ass kissing then thats not my problem :)

EscondeR
23-08-10, 08:40
How about an extra warning before they're banned? :ton:
If that's all what makes "Premium", I'm all for it :p

Actually this:
;4842846']
This idea of "premium" membership can easily separate the members here. And no, I don't like it.

Anything except current custom title rewards (deserved) is not necessary.


I wouldn't buy a premium membership from you. Have fun with all 20 members when you show the rest of us the door.
Are you sure you're speaking about the right forum? :rolleyes:

Uzi master
23-08-10, 08:43
it was just a comment specifically at aktrekker from some recent comments.
I would think anyway.

Nausinous
23-08-10, 08:57
Put it to a vote.

Legend 4ever
23-08-10, 08:57
I think Premium Membership is a good idea, can't see anything wrong with it to be perfectly honest. As I understand, no one would be forced to pay anything.

Why would people be jealous of the Premium Members? It's not like they got the privilege for no reason -- they showed support with giving the money that ultimately goes to the upkeep of the forums. The ones who don't want to donate know why they don't have a Premium account. It's actually really simple.

Another Lara
23-08-10, 08:59
I think Premium Membership is a good idea, can't see anything wrong with it to be perfectly honest. As I understand, no one would be forced to pay anything.

Why would people be jealous of the Premium Members? It's not like they got the privilege for no reason -- they showed support with giving the money that ultimately goes to the upkeep of the forums. The ones who don't want to donate know why they don't have a Premium account. It's actually really simple.

You would think that, but clearly it's too much brainwork for some people here! ;)

Uzi master
23-08-10, 09:01
You would think that, but clearly it's too much brainwork for some people here! ;)

some people ARE too young too donate, and other's don't have the money. I can't blame people for it, but as long as we have waht we already have for free I'm fine with it.

t-raider26
23-08-10, 09:03
I think Premium Membership is a good idea, can't see anything wrong with it to be perfectly honest. As I understand, no one would be forced to pay anything.

Why would people be jealous of the Premium Members? It's not like they got the privilege for no reason -- they showed support with giving the money that ultimately goes to the upkeep of the forums. The ones who don't want to donate know why they don't have a Premium account. It's actually really simple.

I'd be jealous. Seeing as I'm only 15 and have no chance at a premium membership...

Another Lara
23-08-10, 09:04
some people ARE too young too donate, and other's don't have the money. I can't blame people for it, but as long as we have waht we already have for free I'm fine with it.

Well that is completely understandable, and I know there are people that fit into that category but there's absolutely no reason for people to be throwing the hissy fits they seem to be...

The forum will stay exactly the same for free, but paying members will have a few extras, what is there to moan about?!

I think people just like moaning for moaning's sake on here though a lot of the time...

t-raider26
23-08-10, 09:06
Nobody said anything about hissy fits and complaining... People would just be jealous...

SkyPuppy
23-08-10, 09:09
Well that is completely understandable, and I know there are people that fit into that category but there's absolutely no reason for people to be throwing the hissy fits they seem to be...

The forum will stay exactly the same for free, but paying members will have a few extras, what is there to moan about?!

I think people just like moaning for moaning's sake on here though a lot of the time...

...must keep mouth shut........ >_<

herothing
23-08-10, 09:15
I think premium is a great idea at a reasonable price :)

Another Lara
23-08-10, 09:15
...must keep mouth shut........ >_<

That'd be nice! :ton:

But I just don't see why people should be jealous! It's just silly!

jaywalker
23-08-10, 09:19
...must keep mouth shut........ >_<

You know what she said was totally true tho.. there is NO denying there are people on here that wont be unhappy unless they moaning about something ;)

give em a million bucks, "Why wasnt it 2 million" etc etc :)

[Xmas]
23-08-10, 09:19
But I just don't see why people should be jealous! It's just silly!Not jealous but angry because someone wants to divide the entire forum to 2 groups :(

Legend 4ever
23-08-10, 09:20
Nobody said anything about hissy fits and complaining... People would just be jealous...

Well then that's their problem which they have to deal with and solve on their own.

I and I'm sure a lot of other members don't want to see this forum closed just because there was a possibility of some people being jealous because someone did something they clearly chose not to do.

EscondeR
23-08-10, 09:22
@ Another Lara: To clarify: I clearly see it can open a really nasty can of worms... actually donating was already abused as an argument several times...

That won't be a direct division... But I know several persons who will instantly yell if any "premium" member isn't slapped the very second he/she makes the slightest mistake.

jaywalker
23-08-10, 09:22
;4843359']Not jealous but angry because someone wants to divide the entire forum to 2 groups :(

where do u get that idea from tho? from people who've posted saying thats what `MIGHT` happen, not from an actual fact..

again people assume things will go wrong, rather then see it will help the forum to keep running etc..

tis an unfortunate thing that people cannot see the benefits of having a funded website would be for ALL.. people paying shouldnt expect any special treatment in terms of `acceptable posts or attitude` they should just get more features, people who havent paid get the EXACT same forum as they have now.. win win as far as i can see.

oh and IF someone was a premium member and abused it, then its simple, its in the T&C that your money is refunded pro-rata and bye bye..

Another Lara
23-08-10, 09:22
;4843359']Not jealous but angry because someone wants to divide the entire forum to 2 groups :(


It's only divided if people make it that way...

It's not as if people are going to be setting up threads that start with "Only those who pay to be here are allowed to post"

People are just trying to find faults with it when there are none to be found!

t-raider26
23-08-10, 09:23
;4843359']Not jealous but angry because someone wants to divide the entire forum to 2 groups :(

I highly doubt this would happen

Apathetic
23-08-10, 09:26
That'd be nice! :ton:

But I just don't see why people should be jealous! It's just silly!

What don't you get? If you are referring to t-raider26, he stated that he'd be jealous if other members get features he cannot have acess to, and that is perfectly understandable, how is it silly? Could you elaborate more on that? :)

Legend 4ever
23-08-10, 09:26
This whole thing would mostly happen in the heads of people who would not donate or wish for a Premium Membership.

There are people who will understand the simple: "it's completely free, if you wish to(or can) help, here's how" policy. It's silly because it's like saying: "Why does this man get $100,000 a year for being a surgeon? Why can't I have the same, even though I don't have a job?"

Things don't fall from the sky right into your hands.

jaywalker
23-08-10, 09:29
What don't you get? If you are referring to t-raider26, he stated that he'd be jealous if other members get features he cannot have acess to, and that is perfectly understandable, how is it silly? Could you elaborate more on that? :)

its simple.. if you need to `pay` for something and you not old enough to pay for it as not got access to credit card etc, then thats just `life` and a fact that would need parental involvement to pay for it. getting jealous is `understandable` but its not like its something unique to TRF, ANY website where they'd have to pay would be the same.. the fact they'd still have the exact same forum as they do NOW means they just know its something to look forward to later.. its not like the new features would things that are `going to change their lives` etc.
This whole thing would mostly happen in the heads of people who would not donate or wish for a Premium Membership.

There are people who will understand the simple: "it's completely free, if you wish to(or can) help, here's how" policy. It's silly because it's like saying: "Why does this man get $100,000 a year for being a surgeon? Why can't I have the same, even though I don't have a job?"

Things don't fall from the sky right into your hands.

^ says it much better :)

Apathetic
23-08-10, 09:32
its simple.. if you need to `pay` for something and you not old enough to pay for it as not got access to credit card etc, then thats just `life` and a fact that would need parental involvement to pay for it. getting jealous is `understandable` but its not like its something unique to TRF, ANY website where they'd have to pay would be the same.. the fact they'd still have the exact same forum as they do NOW means they just know its something to look forward to later.. its not like the new features would things that are `going to change their lives` etc.

Well, regardless, I've usually got access to a credit card if I need it. :p

Another Lara
23-08-10, 09:34
What don't you get? If you are referring to t-raider26, he stated that he'd be jealous if other members get features he cannot have acess to, and that is perfectly understandable, how is it silly? Could you elaborate more on that? :)

This whole thing would mostly happen in the heads of people who would not donate or wish for a Premium Membership.

There are people who will understand the simple: "it's completely free, if you wish to(or can) help, here's how" policy. It's silly because it's like saying: "Why does this man get $100,000 a year for being a surgeon? Why can't I have the same, even though I don't have a job?"

Things don't fall from the sky right into your hands.

This explains my reasons! ;)

t-raider26
23-08-10, 09:41
its simple.. if you need to `pay` for something and you not old enough to pay for it as not got access to credit card etc, then thats just `life` and a fact that would need parental involvement to pay for it. getting jealous is `understandable` but its not like its something unique to TRF, ANY website where they'd have to pay would be the same.. the fact they'd still have the exact same forum as they do NOW means they just know its something to look forward to later.. its not like the new features would things that are `going to change their lives` etc.


^ says it much better :)

But it isnt exactly fair. People get better features technically because they were born earlier... But anyway, not many people seem to like this idea. So I doubt it'll happen anytime soon

[Xmas]
23-08-10, 09:42
I think or I suppose, it's just going to cause lot of chaos/problems/drama and attacks againts the premium members, sorry.

igonge
23-08-10, 09:43
I don't really mind the idea of premium memberships but I can tell some other members will go into an uproar :p

SkyPuppy
23-08-10, 09:44
;4843386']It's just going to cause a crap load more of chaos/problems/drama and attacks againts the premium members,
because they are not judged for not observing the rules :cool:

fixed =)

sjam_raider
23-08-10, 09:46
I can see this either being brilliant, or a disaster :/
I agree with the ability to uploads our own avatars/album pics/profile pics, as well as other things mentioned like, a quicker wait between searches, new coloured forum skins, other things like that. :)

But I thought the whole, premium members get all the TR news first mentioned a few pages before, I would really object to. I think Premium members should gain privileges, rather than non-premium members losing privileges. Non-premium members already get access to this, and to me it's some of the reason I really love TR (as well as you lovely lot :p) but I think that taking away something that we had previously been able to have would be unfair and really cause some division between those who can donate and those who can't - I would love to donate, however atm I can't afford to, and I don't think members should lose privileges because of that.

:)

[Xmas]
23-08-10, 09:46
fixed =)+1 :tmb:

Legend 4ever
23-08-10, 09:46
But it isnt exactly fair. People get better features technically because they were born earlier... But anyway, not many people seem to like this idea. So I doubt it'll happen anytime soon
Um, no. Some can ask their parents to pay for them. And if not, too bad. It's like saying a group of 13-year-olds can't go out alone after midnight because one of them has a curfew at eleven. Guess what? He stays home.

;4843386']It's just going to cause lot of chaos/problems/drama and attacks againts the premium members,
because they are not judged for not observe the rules :cool:
What?

tonyme
23-08-10, 09:46
I'm all for the premium memberships if it's a one-time payment and not a monthly fee.;)

igonge
23-08-10, 09:47
;4843386']It's just going to cause lot of chaos/problems/drama and attacks againts the premium members,
because they are not judged for not observing the rules :cool:

Just, how?

SkyPuppy
23-08-10, 09:48
Um, no. Some can ask their parents to pay for them. And if not, too bad. It's like saying a group of 13-year-olds can't go out alone after midnight because one of them has a curfew at eleven. Guess what? He goes home.

not everyone wants to free-load off their parents, more so for things they would find silly such as this.

[Xmas]
23-08-10, 09:48
Just, how?I don't know, it's up to the members here.

Legend 4ever
23-08-10, 09:50
not everyone wants to free-load off their parents, more so for things they would find silly such as this.

Great. Then just don't say you'll be jealous of Premium Members. And if you are, keep it to yourself.

SkyPuppy
23-08-10, 09:51
Great. Then just don't say you'll be jealous of Premium Members. And if you are, keep it to yourself.

when on earth did i say i would be jealous of the other memebers? never. try reading my post next time instead of assuming. kthx.

Apathetic
23-08-10, 09:52
Great. Then just don't say you'll be jealous of Premium Members. And if you are, keep it to yourself.

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, you can't tell somebody to not say their jealous of something. :rolleyes:

SkyPuppy
23-08-10, 09:52
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, you can't tell somebody to not say their jealous of something. :rolleyes:

^ that, too.

Carbonek_0051
23-08-10, 09:53
Why is it that whenever someone doesn't like a certain idea they get called silly or treated like they are stupid for not agreeing? If you like the idea of a premium membership, good. If you don't, you're just as entitled to disagree than the people who do agree. This forums seems to be getting less and less friendly. Not everyone is going to like the idea. :/

Legend 4ever
23-08-10, 09:54
when on earth did i say i would be jealous of the other memebers? never. try reading my post next time instead of assuming. kthx.
^Then what exactly is a problem here? They say: "I'm too young to pay." I say: "Some parents would give their children the money for this." You say: "I would never burden my parents on things as silly as Premium Memberships." Yet people who have the same answer like you say they would be jealous of Premium Members. It's like we're going in circles.

[Xmas]
23-08-10, 09:54
This forums seems to be getting less and less friendly. Not everyone is going to like the idea. :/+1 :tmb:

jaywalker
23-08-10, 09:54
But it isnt exactly fair. People get better features technically because they were born earlier... But anyway, not many people seem to like this idea. So I doubt it'll happen anytime soon

By that measure then all teens need to protest against this cruelty that is `no booze until 21` crazy law (in US)
Blame your parents for not having you sooner then :) dont blame it on other people because they waited.. sighs :)

Uzi master
23-08-10, 09:55
Why is it that whenever someone doesn't like a certain idea they get called silly or treated like they are stupid for not agreeing? If you like the idea of a premium membership, good. If you don't, you're just as entitled to disagree than the people who do agree. This forums seems to be getting less and less friendly. :/

ironic, considering earlier you were upset that I didn't think the same way about KH as you...:p

Apathetic
23-08-10, 09:55
Why is it that whenever someone doesn't like a certain idea they get called silly or treated like they are stupid for not agreeing? If you like the idea of a premium membership, good. If you don't, you're just as entitled to disagree than the people who do agree. This forums seems to be getting less and less friendly. Not everyone is going to like the idea. :/

Yeah, and especially being told to keep it to yourself if you don't like it. :rolleyes:

Carbonek_0051
23-08-10, 09:55
^ Yup...
ironic, considering earlier you were upset that I didn't think the same way about KH as you...:p

I wasn't upset. :)

Paddy
23-08-10, 09:56
Why is it that whenever someone doesn't like a certain idea they get called silly or treated like they are stupid for not agreeing? If you like the idea of a premium membership, good. If you don't, you're just as entitled to disagree than the people who do agree. This forums seems to be getting less and less friendly. Not everyone is going to like the idea. :/
Agreed completely, its a hostile place tbh. Least thats the impression Im getting.

sjam_raider
23-08-10, 09:56
I can see already some people are not happy :/
I think as long as the privileges gained by the premium members are reasonable, and the non-premium members don't actively lose anything they already have access to, it'll be a brilliant idea :)

Niveus
23-08-10, 10:01
Most of these premium member privileges have been thought up in this very thread by members. Justin said something about avatars, not much else. There was no mention of all this extra forum or early TR news or anything. He just mentioned avatars. :)

Legend 4ever
23-08-10, 10:01
I think as long as the privileges gained by the premium members are reasonable, and the non-premium members don't actively lose anything they already have access to, it'll be a brilliant idea :)


^ That's the idea.

sjam_raider
23-08-10, 10:01
^someone earlier on mentioned it, and I was like nooo :(
because I enjoyed lurking in the Underworld section in the lead up to the release :D

tlr online
23-08-10, 10:06
Why is it that whenever someone doesn't like a certain idea they get called silly or treated like they are stupid for not agreeing? If you like the idea of a premium membership, good. If you don't, you're just as entitled to disagree than the people who do agree. This forums seems to be getting less and less friendly. Not everyone is going to like the idea. :/

I think it's more to do with how people present their argument. Every forum has its trolls. This forum is no different.

Legend 4ever
23-08-10, 10:07
^someone earlier on mentioned it, and I was like nooo :(
because I enjoyed lurking in the Underworld section in the lead up to the release :D

I am sure Justin will keep everything we have now free. However, donations or Premium Memberships will soon become inevitable.

Carbonek_0051
23-08-10, 10:09
I think it's more to do with how people present their argument. Every forum has its trolls. This forum is no different.

Well I definitely agree, but as with any other thread this one has had very little "trolls". Some of the concerns about this whole system seem genuine and do make sense, they shouldn't be shot down simply because others disagree with the concerns. I've noticed that if anyone disagrees with how things are being done and do it even in a respectable way, they get told to get over it are treated as if they are wrong for feeling the way they do. It's not right and if it's like that the forum will never be able to progress and make changes that make it a more pleasent place.

[Xmas]
23-08-10, 10:12
...they get told to get over it are treated as if they are wrong for feeling the way they do. It's not right and if it's like that the forum will never be able to progress and make changes that make it a more pleasent place.+ they get told to go to other forum if they have a different opinion.

Legend 4ever
23-08-10, 10:22
OMG it's not about not liking the idea or disagreeing with anything, it's about people saying they will be jealous because someone else would get something they won't while completely ignoring the fact that the ones that get that wanted it and followed the means to get it. It's not like a popularity contest where Admin and Mods give out memberships on no basis.

herothing
23-08-10, 10:27
I think people need to chill a bit in here. The premium thing is just an idea :p

igonge
23-08-10, 10:30
I think a poll would help here.

lunavixen
23-08-10, 11:59
I haven't read all the posts on this thread, but I have got the general idea of it and I don't understand why people are acting so dramatic and like spoilt children about this!

Justin has put an idea forward for an option where people can make a donation and get extras out of it... what's wrong with that?! He's been good enough to keep this place open for as long as he has with money from his own pocket, and seeing as asking for donations the usual way is not getting anywhere, then offering extras in return for money is the only option.

If people want to keep their free account then fair enough, good for you, but I'm more than happy to keep this place going with a few quid of my wages. It's not as if the options that people have now are going to be taken away and then offered back at a price, so why moan about it?!

I've been to forums where this was never an option and you had to pay no matter what, so I'm really up for this idea of having the option! People should stop throwing their toys out of the pram and stop being bitter about the fact that if people can afford to help then they will and that Justin wants to offer something as a thank you! :)exactly, this is exactly what i wanted to argue/put forward but you beat me to it

Perhaps you are looking for an owner who will silently foot the bill every month and just keep quiet?

Whoever owns the forum will be forced to meet costs. The kind of services needed to keep a forum this size online are not free, they come at a premium. There is no profit made here either, it's all loss loss loss every month so you can enjoy being part of a community at absolutely no cost to you.

Contrary to your earlier assumption, I am financially able to meet the costs of the server each month, which is why the server is still online. By accepting donations and looking at other avenues to generate revenue, the forum might one day be less dependent on my wallet. For those who chose not to participate, it's business as usual.
i don't know about everyone else but i appreciate what you're doing a lot

Why would people be jealous of the Premium Members? It's not like they got the privilege for no reason -- they showed support with giving the money that ultimately goes to the upkeep of the forums. The ones who don't want to donate know why they don't have a Premium account. It's actually really simple.
i agree, those who don't want to or can't afford to, will still get the same level of access/features they have now
some people ARE too young too donate, and other's don't have the money. I can't blame people for it, but as long as we have waht we already have for free I'm fine with it.and then you get people like me who have more than $10000 of tertiary debts along with living on my own and having to pay bills (and groceries) that those at the colleges don't have and are unable to. the other downside to living overseas to where the servers are (in this case i am assuming its the US) and lets say i wanted to donate $10 towards the cost of the servers, $10US is about $13AU the currency conversion take more out of some countries than others because of the value of the dollar, the Euro, the Yen or whatever local currencies are

This whole thing would mostly happen in the heads of people who would not donate or wish for a Premium Membership.

There are people who will understand the simple: "it's completely free, if you wish to(or can) help, here's how" policy. It's silly because it's like saying: "Why does this man get $100,000 a year for being a surgeon? Why can't I have the same, even though I don't have a job?"

Things don't fall from the sky right into your hands.i couldn't have said it better myself

Nenya awakens
23-08-10, 12:09
I don't mind premium memberships, as long as they are not to pricey for a year.

Dennis's Mom
23-08-10, 12:13
I have no issue. It's your forum. Do whatever you need to.

Larson_1988
23-08-10, 12:21
how about just donating to keep the site going!? i dont need to `pimp out` my account

I did that earlier this year, about 400 NOK, which is a lot. And i couldn't care less about a premium account to be honest.

ajrich17901
23-08-10, 12:38
Having to pay to upload your own avatars? I think not, love the forum but its not my responsibility. We should have this option to begin with.

Cochrane
23-08-10, 12:42
Premium memberships sounds like an interesting idea. The question is what will be offered at what price, but in general, I might be willing to buy that.

Phlip
23-08-10, 12:54
Because TRF is better than other forums. And in order to keep the forum awesome, there are fees that need to be paid. And I dont think its fair that Justin should pay for them all himself. If you wanna be able to do all those things for free go, then to another forum.
It can still be just as awesome if it was on another host. :pJust to clarify. For most of you there would be no changes. You will continue to use the forum completely free, as you are now. These changes would add additional features for those who wish to show their support in other ways than donations.
Like...?maybe a little sugestion, but I probably wouldn't mind an extra add spot or two on the forum, if that could help generate some more money to help pay the costs, merely a suggestion.

I totally agree with that. The banner at the top could be bigger and there could be another one just above the Quick Reply box.

EscondeR
23-08-10, 12:57
Just to clarify. For most of you there would be no changes. You will continue to use the forum completely free, as you are now. These changes would add additional features for those who wish to show their support in other ways than donations.
Like...?

E.g. go fishing to feed the penguins :p

Cochrane
23-08-10, 12:58
It can still be just as awesome if it was on another host. :p

I don’t know if that is a realistic possibility. It is already on its own dedicated server, and those things don’t come cheap no matter what host you use.

Edit to add: The problem with premium membership is that there is no feature I really want. I don’t want to upload my own avatar, as I am happy with keeping mine as it is indefinitely. My signature is long enough, my user color is acceptable… Writing longer user messages, that might be a good idea. The current limit to 1000 characters sucks.

A very simple change for premium members might be to not show them any ads, of course.

EscondeR
23-08-10, 13:03
A very simple change for premium members might be to not show them any ads, of course.

...on the other hand, people able to buy premium membership are able to buy Ad Muncher as well ;)

xcrushterx
23-08-10, 13:04
...on the other hand, people able to buy premium membership are able to buy Ad Muncher as well ;)
Or just download ad blocker for free.

Phlip
23-08-10, 13:08
I don’t know if that is a realistic possibility. It is already on its own dedicated server, and those things don’t come cheap no matter what host you use.

But vBulletin is already extremely expensive, so cut down the costs for that and we're half on our way.

I don't even see why we need our own special dedicated host, anyway. Because we're so epically busy?

interstellardave
23-08-10, 13:11
Part of the problem is that we're all left guessing! If premium memberships are an idea that's been kicked around before perhaps the question put to the members should be more specific? Tell us what the pricing might be... and what benefits paying members might get. Then there can be some informed feedback.

sjam_raider
23-08-10, 13:13
^agreed :)

xcrushterx
23-08-10, 13:13
But vBulletin is already extremely expensive, so cut down the costs for that and we're half on our way.

I don't even see why we need our own special dedicated host, anyway. Because we're so epically busy?

IPB isn't free though. It's expensive too. Granted not as expensive as vBulletin, but there's not a huge difference.

EscondeR
23-08-10, 13:16
I don't even see why we need our own special dedicated host, anyway. Because we're so epically busy?

Hmm... You are supposed to be here when we were turtle-slow... Wanna back there? :mis:

Phlip
23-08-10, 13:22
Alright, I didn't know. :p

TombRaider4444
23-08-10, 14:10
Delete accounts that made less than 20 posts that haven't logged in in a year +

Love2Raid
23-08-10, 14:24
For the record, I don't have anything against the idea, but there needs to be a limit should they go into affect. Love2Raid brought up an excellent idea here (http://www.tombraiderforums.com/showpost.php?p=4842354&postcount=15) that another forum incorporates and I think it would do well if TRF adopted it. I know for a fact that there will be endless controversy should this go into affect improperly.

Point being, if premium members are going to get special treatment because they pay monthly, that's fine, but it should be limited. Nothing overtly advertising that they're subscribers or give donations, because it's flashy and it comes off as "I donate and you don't - I'm better than you." I think perhaps a different coloured username on the board instead of the default blue and the ability to upload your own avatars are fine.

Of course, there will probably be more features (beyond my imagination at the moment) but they should be simple like the aforementioned features.

Thank you. :)

It goes well over there, but I should have known better. This is TRF. It seems like all the drama on the entire internetz accumulates on this forum. :o:o

Cochrane
23-08-10, 14:37
...on the other hand, people able to buy premium membership are able to buy Ad Muncher as well ;)
Sure, but making it official might help those who just don’t know about these tools.

But vBulletin is already extremely expensive, so cut down the costs for that and we're half on our way.

I don't even see why we need our own special dedicated host, anyway. Because we're so epically busy?
Switching to a different forum software is no trivial task, especially if you want to keep all old user names, passwords, threads, posts… Paying more to keep the old technology might actually be a better idea sometimes.

And yeah, TRF is damn busy. That’s why the forum recently moved to a new server, if you recall.

Delete accounts that made less than 20 posts that haven't logged in in a year +
What’s the point? All those accounts do is take up storage space, and that is comparatively cheap, especially if you already have your own server. They don’t slow down site access in any noticeable way or require more bandwidth.

Draco
23-08-10, 14:53
The only thing that matters is that premium removes the ads.

And having a say in who is or isn't to be made or remain a mod. A sort of Premium Parliament.

touchthesky
23-08-10, 15:07
Rather than offering your own avatar upload..why not offer that to everyone and then allow people with premium memberships to have bigger avatars?

God Horus
23-08-10, 15:40
I think we should experiment with EVERYONE getting to change their own avatars, just for a BIT. Or maybe adding something like people who are a certain status (Relic Hunter, Tomb Raider, Legend..?) can change their own avatars. But I like the idea of premium memberships :tmb:

dizzydoil
23-08-10, 15:41
I think we should experiment with EVERYONE getting to change their own avatars, just for a BIT. Or maybe adding something like people who are a certain status (Relic Hunter, Tomb Raider, Legend..?) can change their own avatars. But I like the idea of premium memberships :tmb:

I like this! Plus, then, there is a sort of 'trust' barrier, with those who have been posting for awhile, and it's like they should know better than to have an inappropiate avatar. So yes, win! :tmb:

touchthesky
23-08-10, 15:44
Yeah, that would be a good idea.

But wouldn't folk start spamming then to get their posts up higher? It'd have to be an impossible post ammount like 5,000.

dizzydoil
23-08-10, 15:45
Yeah. "Relic Hunter" is a good starting point. :D

Megalith
23-08-10, 15:52
How come Eidos/Square Enix aren't helping?

After all they use this site quite a lot for PR,advertising and surveys on their products.If this site goes down it will be their loss.
And the money this site needs are just pocket change for them.

Phlip
23-08-10, 15:56
What about those who have donated in the past and would like this premium stuff?

Legend of Lara
23-08-10, 15:57
How come Eidos/Square Enix aren't helping?

After all they use this site quite a lot for PR,advertising and surveys on their products.If this site goes down it will be their loss.
And the money this site needs are just pocket change for them.

Seriously.




But, yeah. Reading this thread has enlightened me. I draw the line at premium-only forum sections, but I'm game with wherever you're taking the idea.

Apathetic
23-08-10, 15:58
How come Eidos/Square Enix aren't helping?

After all they use this site quite a lot for PR,advertising and surveys on their products.If this site goes down it will be their loss.
And the money this site needs are just pocket change for them.

This forum isn't endorsed or supported in any way from Eidos or Square Enix. They've got their own official forums, this is a fan forum completely ran by Justin. I don't see what business they have here?

Megalith
23-08-10, 16:01
This forum isn't endorsed or supported in any way from Eidos or Square Enix.

Yes it is.
Not official but definitely unofficial.And i'm sure the "unofficial" cover counts much more to them.;)

Apathetic
23-08-10, 16:04
Yes it is.
Not official but definitely unofficial.And i'm sure the "unofficial" cover counts much more to them.;)

Yes, This forum isn't officially endorsed or supported.

Cochrane
23-08-10, 16:06
What about those who have donated in the past and would like this premium stuff?

I don't think you’d be able to donate once and then remain premium member forever. Otherwise, those who wanted to be premium members would get that status quickly, giving a short burst of money for Justin, and after that very little. It would make more sense to have to renew your premium status every month, year, half-year or whatever (personally, I am for larger intervals so I don't forget about it).

And to answer your question, if premium membership expires then it would make no sense to give it to those who donated in the past.

Legend of Lara
23-08-10, 16:09
Yes, This forum isn't officially endorsed or supported.

They could slip Justin a quid under the radar. D:

just croft
23-08-10, 16:13
How come Eidos/Square Enix aren't helping?

After all they use this site quite a lot for PR,advertising and surveys on their products.If this site goes down it will be their loss.
And the money this site needs are just pocket change for them.

:tmb:

Yes, This forum isn't officially endorsed or supported.

Which is just a shame because this forum is a thousand times better than the official one... :rolleyes:

NRO.
23-08-10, 16:17
I'm too young to donate. I'd love to, but my parents aren't too fond of internet-money-sharing :o

Apathetic
23-08-10, 16:31
:tmb:



Which is just a shame because this forum is a thousand times better than the official one... :rolleyes:

That is so true, ironically..

Kiss-Bite
23-08-10, 18:32
It's great to see people discuss ways in which you might generate sufficient income to fund the site without having to cover the costs yourself, which I think most people would agree is unfair. Before selecting the idea of operating a premium membership, however, you may wish to consider where the bulk of your advertising revenue might lie, and how this could best be commercialised.

You can see from a number of topic-specific sites that they employ more direct means of advertising than is seen elsewhere. You have a great advantage over many sites in that advertisers can be assured that the sole recipients of their adverts will be:


interested in video games, specifically action/adventure games;
owners of one of the two primary 'serious' consoles or avid PC gamers; and
for the most part be in the 16-40 age demographic so beloved of advertising agencies.


Entering into a specific contract with individual advertisers will allow you not only to tailor the ads to the site, but will result in far higher revenue than that achievable through Google ads and its competitors. It will also enable you to bypass adblockers by hosting the ads directly on the site. If you are looking for examples of this, check out the MacThemes site, where the ads are designed to fit flawlessly into the page, encouraging users to click through and avoiding ruining the carefully-considered aesthetic.

Additionally, encouraging users to subscribe to site updates on Twitter will allow you to amass a considerable Twitter following and require little effort on your part. From all accounts, the new in-line advertising on Twitter generates considerable revenue and gives very good rates of return.

These two ideas alone, given the substantial membership of the site, should easily generate the server fees, and in fact far outstrip them, providing you with a modest income generated from the site. I know of at least two popular free sites run with no other income than that generated in the above way, and both have far fewer members (and are therefore far less valuable to advertisers) than TRC. If it transpired that, having implemented these ideas, you wanted to generate extra income to re-invest in the site or for some other reason, a premium membership could then be considered.

If you wanted any assistance in contacting potential advertisers and discussing terms, including contract terms, I would be happy to provide this. ;)

Mikky
23-08-10, 18:58
The premium membership idea sounds ace! Do it, Justin, do it!!!!!!

Seriously, do it. :p

lara c. fan
23-08-10, 19:40
The only problem I can foresee is some of the younger members who really can't donate getting annoyed.

Apart from that, I'm all for it :D

Legends
23-08-10, 20:12
Premium membership would be awesome. :jmp:

Rai
23-08-10, 20:33
I'm happy to donate when I can afford a little, but sadly, I can't afford much.

Premium membership is a good idea, although there may be a few who'd like to but can't afford to if their young or low on cash. How would it work - a one off payment per year or regular payments? Also the 'benefit' should be enough so that people feel their money is well spent, but not so much that non premier members feel too left out or belittled in some way. If that makes any sense at all :o.

Titanium
24-08-10, 01:25
Heck why not go all out and give the option to buy certain options?

£5 to upload your own avatars
£10 to get access to a special forum
£20 to ban the member of your choice for a week
£40 to get a custom title saying "I give penguins money over the internet"
£100 to get the ability to secretly edit members posts.
And £10000 to get a signed picture from Justin, with a thank you card and a cuddly pengin toy.

I think that would be marvelous. :D

Legend of Lara
24-08-10, 01:43
Heck why not go all out and give the option to buy certain options?

£5 to upload your own avatars
£10 to get access to a special forum
£20 to ban the member of your choice for a week
£40 to get a custom title saying "I give penguins money over the internet"
£100 to get the ability to secretly edit members posts.
And £10000 to get a signed picture from Justin, with a thank you card and a cuddly pengin toy.

I think that would be marvelous. :D

How about 100k for admin access? XD

Sir Croft
24-08-10, 01:46
I'm all for premium memberships!

Alpharaider47
24-08-10, 02:06
Heck why not go all out and give the option to buy certain options?

£5 to upload your own avatars
£10 to get access to a special forum
£20 to ban the member of your choice for a week
£40 to get a custom title saying "I give penguins money over the internet"
£100 to get the ability to secretly edit members posts.
And £10000 to get a signed picture from Justin, with a thank you card and a cuddly pengin toy.

I think that would be marvelous. :D

I really like that third option :D

lunavixen
24-08-10, 04:23
Yes, This forum isn't officially endorsed or supported.

yes, but this is a very active forum and dirt travels faster than light

MattTR
24-08-10, 04:28
How about this idea.. Justin has a lottery every week and it's $5 or £7 whatever, and the winner gets to be an administrator for a week, I'm sure we'll get thousands! :jmp: