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The moderators have been discussing the rules regarding XNALara images and models, especially in terms of nude and near-nude mods and other sexually suggestive or explicit stuff. These are the rules we have agreed upon.
The general rule is that all female characters in any modded images and models (using XNALara or anything else) must not show any more skin than Lara does in her Legend bikini. Male characters can be topless, but not bottomless.
Models that do not comply with the XNALara rules on TRF (whether from the TR franchise or not) cannot be offered for download. That includes linking to sites which have such models for download.
Sexually suggestive or vulgar poses and gestures are also not allowed, whether or not the character doing them is fully clothed.
There are bound to be situations which don't fall under these categories, but these are the general rules that everyone should follow. If in doubt, ask a moderator or post in this thread. Edit: The above rules also apply to models extracted from other games, whether or not they are modded in any way.
These rules apply from now onwards, so please don't complain about warnings or bans you may have had regarding this in the past.
These rules may be modified in the future if necessary. If so, that will be announced in this thread.
Edit: The following image shows which parts of the skin must be covered in any female model/image posted in this section.
In an attempt to eliminate ambiguity, I've taken screenshots of the Legend bikini and edited out the straps and a little bit in the center which the dress reveals. This should make it clear which parts have to be covered for XNA:
http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f214/WraithStar/XNAguidelinesbikinifinal2-1.jpg
It's okay if the strap areas are handled differently (which is why I removed them to show you have freedom to put whatever you want there) but the remaining areas shown in white fabric have to be covered by opaque material in every female outfit (male characters can still be topless though).
I hope this makes things a bit more clear :)
Cool. Finally if someone will use models like those forbiden to share will make good stuff. :P
It's more of a "Rules for XNALara regarding nude Lara" or sth. :p
But images/renders in which Lara is naked are allowed, as long as she is covered in some way (for example, with her hands or hidden behind furniture) in such a way that does not expose any more skin than a bikini would. Please note that this applies to images only, and not downloadable models!
*annoyed cap on*
No they're not. I know you're telling us the rules here, but I have been threatened with a "vacation" on more than one occasion for posting a picture with a "nude" Lara where she is infact covered, to no more or less of an official render. I don't mean to be buggy, but it's a bit of a kick in the face to be told naked images of Lara are allowed, aslong as she is covered. Perhaps I'm blind, but in my pictures- she's covered. :)
I'm supplying two images, that have previously been removed for bypassing the T&C. Do these images cover the "images/renders in which Lara is naked are allowed, as long as she is covered in some way (for example, with her hands or hidden behind furniture) in such a way that does not expose any more skin than a bikini would" ?
http://www.deviantart.com/download/172961370/18__Smile_by_dalach.jpg
http://www.deviantart.com/download/194758747/croft__lara_croft_by_dalach-d37yct7.jpg
Please remove them if they're unacceptable (as previously stated).
Also, if this is more appropiate for a PM conversation, feel free to delete this post and quote me over PM. Thanks! :hug:
Dizzydoil, was this sentence not clear enough?
These rules apply from now onwards, so please don't complain about warnings or bans you may have had regarding this in the past.As a matter of fact, your second image is what prompted us moderators to get these rules straightened out once and for all, as we were all working under different assumptions about what was acceptable and what wasn't. So these rules are what will be enforced by all of us in the future. They don't work retroactively.
Okay, then. :) Would these images be suitable to post now?
(I'm glad I helped toward a serious decision :p)
Thanks. Itīs good to have these rules clear and written down for everyone to see. Iīm also happy that we will have some more artistic freedom. I just hope people will keep their work tasteful and decent... :pi:
Anyway, there is something else that I think should be said about a particular model and now is the right time and place to say it, I think. It concerns Vega82īs bathingsuit model. (Originally a Doppelganger mod, retextured by tombraider4ever later into a collection of Lara swimsuits. You all know which model Iīm talking about.
He wrote this in the readme:
Because of the nature of the meshes/textures, I'm forced to give this mod a LIMITED use.
DO NOT use it as a base to make a nude mod and DO NOT include any of my textures/UVcuts in a nude mod.
Any non nude stuff, you're ok to go.
Q:
Why are you suddenly coming with this "limited use" bull**** vega? you suck!!
A:
Perhaps someday I'll release my already existent nude mods (unlikely but... never say never) but I'll really hate to see my work used in any possible gross or untasteful way. That's not what I had in mind when I made them and I don't want to be linked to that sort of stuff, in any way, shape or color. I hope you can please understand me, and could respect this.
Please, donīt be an ass and respect his wishes people.
Thatīs all. :)
$AtlantiB$
28-01-11, 19:31
Finally we got a official borders!!!!!!!
thanks a lot! :hug:
yea! It is very good to have such rules!!!!
thanks, this helps clarify some things, i know i rarely use a nud model, but when i do i never post anything that doesn't show any more than a bikini, infact ia rarely EVER use the full mod, only topless, thank you for doing this, also i'm sure a nude back is alowed right, i got in trouble for doing one with her back
Okay, then. :) Would these images be suitable to post now?
Yes, if you want to.
thanks, this helps clarify some things, i know i rarely use a nud model, but when i do i never post anything that doesn't show any more than a bikini, infact ia rarely EVER use the full mod, only topless, thank you for doing this, also i'm sure a nude back is alowed right, i got in trouble for doing one with her back
Yes, a nude back is allowed, since Lara's back is nearly fully visible in her bikini (except for a thin strap). But please note the rest of the rules too. This is only applicable to images not downloadable models.
Then, I'm curious...
Would this picture be acceptable? [PM'd to you]
Yes, a nude back is allowed, since Lara's back is nearly fully visible in her bikini (except for a thin strap). But please note the rest of the rules too. This is only applicable to images not downloadable models.
ok thanks, the only cleavage i will shot is very little, don't care for cleavage anyway
Okay, then. :) Would these images be suitable to post now?
Yes, if you want to.
I'd say the second picture is definitely OK according to the new rules, but the first one is not... yet. Make that coloured strip wider and we'll consider it :)
Thanks for clear rules.
Yes, a nude back is allowed, since Lara's back is nearly fully visible in her bikini ... This is only applicable to images not downloadable models.
BTW: The original from this "well-known" image are not with "nude back" ;)
http://i51.tinypic.com/2n15qw8.jpg
vvvvv dizzydoil show a paint over from this original (http://th07.deviantart.net/fs70/PRE/f/2010/353/4/c/prelim_for_a_lads_mag_by_mechabadger-d358tpf.jpg) (on Toby's official deviantART). vvv
Toby statement about the "paint over"
The paint over color version, pre render. In the end I made a bit of a fuss saying Lara would never pose like this and the image wasn't used. But hey, I like the picture and it's not canon, so whatever. Backs are sexy.
The original:
I was asked to do lara topless. This was what I came up with in sketch form.
http://th07.deviantart.net/fs70/PRE/f/2010/353/4/c/prelim_for_a_lads_mag_by_mechabadger-d358tpf.jpg
This is not topless :D http://www.totalvideogames.com/Tomb-Raider-Anniversary/news/Toby-Gard-Didnt-Go-All-The-Way-With-Lara-Croft-14977.html
"I was asked to do Lara nude. This was as close as I would allow myself to go," Gard commented on his site (http://www.tobygard.com/index.html), referring to the image opposite. The picture was posted late 2009 after Gard had decided to leave Eidos' Tomb Raider studio, Crystal Dynamics, having recently been promoted to the position of Lead Designer.
http://www.totalvideogames.com/img/uploaded/www.totalvideogames.com_70376_page3-1005-full.jpg
BTW: The original from this "well-known" image are not with "nude back" ;)
http://i51.tinypic.com/2n15qw8.jpg
However, that's not the original (http://www.deviantart.com/download/190208710/topless_by_mechabadger-d358tza.jpg) (on Toby's official deviantART). ;)
so i can post this? :confused::confused::confused::hea:
[Mod edit: Problematic image removed]
What's the point of asking if you can post something by posting it in public? :rolleyes: If you really want to ask, PM me or another mod.
Also, I think it pushes the boundaries a bit. Cover up the ***** more thoroughly and it will be ok.
I propose the banning of XNAaraL's program, the ModProtector [link] (http://www.tombraiderforums.com/showpost.php?p=5194841&postcount=3322):
XNALara [link] (http://www.tombraiderforums.com/showthread.php?t=147100) and it's models [link] (http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=0db37eb988fae24c111096d429abd360e53c84cf 6a03652f5621d66e282a0ee8) ~ [link] (http://www.tombraiderforums.com/showthread.php?t=151335) are under "fair use"- venturing out and using ModProtector changes this dramatically and unfortunately, allows XNALara to take a dark turn and eventually become totally and completely illegal to use; many users and models becoming subject to now copyrighted material- which they, you, we- do not own (because they have been "protected"). While you may think it's "no big deal" and that it "doesn't hurt anyone", using or posting those files or works which are derived from ModProtector, is infact a breach of copyright law. Even if the models and materials you want to use are protected by copyright, you won't need permission if your intended use constitutes a "fair use". However, ModProtector takes away this permission- and therefore should be inaccesible for users on this forum, and/or for all the XNALara community. Unless people want to suffer the consequences.
"...take not from others to such an extent and in such a manner that you would be resentful if they so took from you..." ~ McDonald, "Non-infringing Uses," 9 Bull. Copyright Society 466 (1962).
In other words, don't protect a model that has never and will never belong to you.
PabloPicasso
05-02-11, 23:50
Much as I understand why people want to protect their own IP (intellectual property) I cannot say that I own any of the models that Crofty and I extracted for the community.
It is not good use when restrictions are placed on items.
Maybe I am not seeing the whole thing but Dizzydoils argument makes sense.
I propose the banning of XNAaraL's program, the ModProtector [link] (http://www.tombraiderforums.com/showpost.php?p=5194841&postcount=3322):
XNALara [link] (http://www.tombraiderforums.com/showthread.php?t=147100) and it's models [link] (http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=0db37eb988fae24c111096d429abd360e53c84cf 6a03652f5621d66e282a0ee8) ~ [link] (http://www.tombraiderforums.com/showthread.php?t=151335) are under "fair use"- venturing out and using ModProtector changes this dramatically and unfortunately, allows XNALara to take a dark turn and eventually become totally and completely illegal to use; many users and models becoming subject to now copyrighted material- which they, you, we- do not own (because they have been "protected"). While you may think it's "no big deal" and that it "doesn't hurt anyone", using or posting those files or works which are derived from ModProtector, is infact a breach of copyright law. Even if the models and materials you want to use are protected by copyright, you won't need permission if your intended use constitutes a "fair use". However, ModProtector takes away this permission- and therefore should be inaccesible for users on this forum, and/or for all the XNALara community. Unless people want to suffer the consequences.
"...take not from others to such an extent and in such a manner that you would be resentful if they so took from you..." ~ McDonald, "Non-infringing Uses," 9 Bull. Copyright Society 466 (1962).
In other words, don't protect a model that has never and will never belong to you.
I agree as well. As I said before, if you don't want people to use your stuff, don't put it up for download. if you let your stuff out there, it's gonna be modified to fit the other people's needs. I see no point to ModProtector.
$AtlantiB$
06-02-11, 00:12
really? okay you have to go in Modding V2 thread and read our converision.
IF YOU GUYS NOT UNDERSTAND US-MODERS, WE HAVE TO TAKE HARD WAYS! and than you're talking about you're white and furry... ABSURT!
i can quote myself.
really? Ripping and editing TR meshes is illegal, and you're talking about legality of XNALara community! ALL, hear me? ALL MODS ARE BASED ON TR MESHESH, most of them based on TRU meshes. IF someone want to use it, he/she can get it using export tool in XNALara to convert MODEL and IMPORT it in BLENDER to EDITING. Protected mods not allows you to IMPORT it into blender. Like you're never had scripts. nothing illegal
THERE IS NOTHING ABOUT OWNING OF MOD.
you're just mad for another reason, such that you can not use parts of your future favorite models. :ton:
Thanks for Attention. :pi:
P.S. if u still dont understand it we can ask moderation or Keir about correct point of view!:mis:
I agree with Dizzy, protecting something that you have not made by your own, has no point really, specially if your gonna put it to download.
And $AtlantiB$, taking the meshes from TR isn't illegal, never was and never will be, or else Dusan would already be facing a lawsuit and XNALara would be banned right?;) And it is unfair that all have to suffer the consequences because some few couldn't agree with the read me and took parts of a mod.
$AtlantiB$
06-02-11, 00:44
what the consequences are you talking about!? that you wouldn't be able to rip mods of other users???
well this is point of view of everyone! some of you want to have all and right now! others can understand what is real job and how its unpleasantly when someone rip it!
of about me, I am tired to talk thinks that may not understand! the only thing that Im asking you in read me its ask me if you want to use parts of mesh i made or edit!
First of all stop generalizing, it's not because some people take parts of mods without credit or reading the read me, means that every single modder is willing to steal your content, $AtlantiB$.
If you are unhappy some people take content of your mods, try talking to the person who "stole" it, or even contact a moderator.
And IMO, I don't really see why people taking stuff is SUCH a big deal it's not like if the person was like: OMGZ I MAED THIZ LOLWLOLAAZ!
:o
can we put "Black Bars" infront of the area's?
$AtlantiB$
06-02-11, 01:14
0mg. what the hell are you talking about! there is nothing about me and my mods. and I'm dont generalizing! I am a person who asked XL to write this tool and in the message above i've wrote the reasons why!
anyway, lets wait for moderator answer!
Yeah, let's have a mod fix this please, i am sick and tired of one person's comment sparking a huge debate. I know I commented on it too, but this is just getting rediculous.
did i do anything ... :(:yik:
$AtlantiB$
06-02-11, 01:33
nothing. as you can see we discuss some controversy
Hm...this seems difficult. On the one hand, I get why a modder would want to protect his hard work but on the other hand, I think this is a community and everyone I've seen around does actually give credit when they use someone else's meshes. We should work together and not against each other and a modder should feel honoured that someone else thought his work so good that he used it for his own mod. However, I don't think that justifies a ban of the program (and if I understood AtlantiB correctly, Dizzydoil's argument about the program making the use of models in XNALara illegal seems to be invalid). I just really hope that modders won't use this program because it will make it harder for new modders to learn modding and also because it will probably deprive us of some very good mods but I'm totally against taking the option to use it from them.
word! 100% agreed!
geanu!
I propose the banning of XNAaraL's program, the ModProtector [link] (http://www.tombraiderforums.com/showpost.php?p=5194841&postcount=3322):
XNALara [link] (http://www.tombraiderforums.com/showthread.php?t=147100) and it's models [link] (http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=0db37eb988fae24c111096d429abd360e53c84cf 6a03652f5621d66e282a0ee8) ~ [link] (http://www.tombraiderforums.com/showthread.php?t=151335) are under "fair use"- venturing out and using ModProtector changes this dramatically and unfortunately, allows XNALara to take a dark turn and eventually become totally and completely illegal to use; many users and models becoming subject to now copyrighted material- which they, you, we- do not own (because they have been "protected"). While you may think it's "no big deal" and that it "doesn't hurt anyone", using or posting those files or works which are derived from ModProtector, is infact a breach of copyright law. Even if the models and materials you want to use are protected by copyright, you won't need permission if your intended use constitutes a "fair use". However, ModProtector takes away this permission- and therefore should be inaccesible for users on this forum, and/or for all the XNALara community. Unless people want to suffer the consequences.
"...take not from others to such an extent and in such a manner that you would be resentful if they so took from you..." ~ McDonald, "Non-infringing Uses," 9 Bull. Copyright Society 466 (1962).
In other words, don't protect a model that has never and will never belong to you.
Over reacting there a bit are we not. The protection is nothing to do with copyright law, most of the models used were illegally extracted in the first place and the legal owner of the models would be well within their rights to take legal action to prevent the wholesale ripping off of their work. Not that any of them look like doing that, but some developers have been known to take exception to what the fans do with their creations. Preventing someone from altering a model does not infringe on the fair use of the XNALara progam, is not about to affect in any way the legal status of the program. XNALara does not alter the models so how is its use being affected? Artists usually get upset when someone takes their work and tries to pass it of as their own, or alters their creation in a way they do not like, this does not seem that different. That some might like to protect their mods being altered or parts used else where is hardly a thing to be getting upset about, no one is preventing you from using the model in XNALara. And there will always be the original extracted models for those who want to make their own mods, or learn how to do it.
It is great that so many want to share the fruits of their hard work with everyone, and allow others to use those mods in their own work (with the relevant credits of course) But others are a bit more protective and at least we still get to use their creations in XNALara, we just cannot alter them.
^Agreed. I don't see what the fuss is about. In any case, XNAaraL told me about his program before releasing, and I told him it was a great idea. If some people don't like it, they don't have to use it - it's not exactly mandatory, after all. And others, who may shy away from releasing their mods to public because they might get plagiarised, will now do so with no worry.
can we put "Black Bars" infront of the area's?
Yes. Wide opaque black bars.
okay .... concerning the rules
keep the beach clean!
http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g53/zipper_photo/clean1.jpg (http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g53/zipper_photo/clean.jpg)
please! ;)
http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g53/zipper_photo/th_zzzzzzzzzzzipper.png (http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g53/zipper_photo/zzzzzzzzzzzipper.png)ipper :D
Ok, I agree these rules, but I would like to link two images.
Mod edit: image removed
I think that they don't break rules, because the outfits on those images don't show any more skins than in a bikini.
I wait for the opinions.
Ward Dragon
28-02-11, 17:12
Ok, I agree these rules, but I would like to link two images.
Mod edit: image removed
I think that they don't break rules, because the outfits on those images don't show any more skins than in a bikini.
I wait for the opinions.
The first picture didn't show up (the link didn't work). With the second picture, the top was fine but the bottom clearly showed more than the bikini.
People have started discussing these rules again, ever since the model Ivy Valentine (http://www.tombraiderforums.com/showpost.php?p=5240779&postcount=9102) got banned from the forum.
Some were wondering, why a model that is included in a T-rated game, in her original unedited outfit, would be banned from this 13+ forum, just because she shows more skin than Lara does in her bikini. I personally think it's all about the message that you want to convey in your picture and if you don't display the character in a way that they were never meant to be displayed.
I posted this proposal in another thread earlier today, and several people agreed with me:
I personally think this would be good:
Lara model: no more skin than bikini*
Any other model: no nipples (female) or genitals showing
No vulgar/offensive posing, no matter which mod is used or how much clothes the model is wearing.
*Only because this is a Tomb Raider forum after all, and I think it should be expected of the members to let the main character keep her dignity.
It's a shame that the model was banned, since a lot of work was put in it as well. I was hoping the staff could share their thoughts about this. :)
$AtlantiB$
01-03-11, 20:55
Totally agree!
It's a shame that the model was banned, since a lot of work was put in it as well. I was hoping the staff could share their thoughts about this. :)
I can't agree more. It's just unfair.
I can only imagine how much hard work was put into getting Ivy to XNA Lara and it has been all wasted for nothing :rolleyes:
Ward Dragon
01-03-11, 22:20
People have started discussing these rules again, ever since the model Ivy Valentine (http://www.tombraiderforums.com/showpost.php?p=5240779&postcount=9102) got banned from the forum.
Some were wondering, why a model that is included in a T-rated game, in her original unedited outfit, would be banned from this 13+ forum, just because she shows more skin than Lara does in her bikini. I personally think it's all about the message that you want to convey in your picture and if you don't display the character in a way that they were never meant to be displayed.
I posted this proposal in another thread earlier today, and several people agreed with me:
It's a shame that the model was banned, since a lot of work was put in it as well. I was hoping the staff could share their thoughts about this. :)
We're still discussing the issue and trying to come up with crystal clear guidelines to eliminate confusion in the future about what is or is not allowed. We don't want to start making exceptions because then that makes things even more confusing.
My view is that the current rules are fine and if a model shows more skin than the bikini (such as Ivy) then according to the current rules no downloads are allowed, but renders are okay as long as we can't see anything more than Lara's bikini would show.
I'm also thinking that maybe someone could modify Ivy's outfit a little bit so that the fabric covers as much as Lara's bikini. That should be okay too because it would comply with the established rules.
I understand that changing the rules again so soon would cause some confusion at first. I think when it comes to Lara, the rules are very clear and nobody does or should have a problem with them. It's different for the other characters, because we are not exposing their skin ourselves, it's just the way they were made. Ivy wouldn't be original anymore if we changed her outfit. It may seem as a small change to those who don't know who she is (or they might not notice at all in the first place), but to fans it's very noticeable. I think that if I ever used her in a picture, I would prefer to use the original version and only post it on deviantart (or some place like that), than use an edited 'fake' version just to be able to share it here as well.
And there are ways around this. You could reupload her with a mesh (a box or something) that covers her T&A, with a texture than can be made transparent easily after the download (or even include this texture, lol), and then people could still have her. It's silly, I know, but why would that even be necessary.
Ward Dragon
01-03-11, 23:18
I understand that changing the rules again so soon would cause some confusion at first. I think when it comes to Lara, the rules are very clear and nobody does or should have a problem with them. It's different for the other characters, because we are not exposing their skin ourselves, it's just the way they were made. Ivy wouldn't be original anymore if we changed her outfit. It may seem as a small change to those who don't know who she is (or they might not notice at all in the first place), but to fans it's very noticeable. I think that if I ever used her in a picture, I would prefer to use the original version and only post it on deviantart (or some place like that), than use an edited 'fake' version just to be able to share it here as well.
Fair enough if you don't want to work with an edited version of Ivy (I was trying to look for in-game shots of her and I admit I had trouble telling if some pics were official or fanmade, but it looks like she has other outfits which do cover the bikini area so it should still be possible to use an official Ivy without editing her :)).
We want to keep the XNA rules consistent for all characters. It doesn't really matter that SoulCalibur IV got a 'T' rating because the ESRB usually only gives an 'M' rating for explicit sexual content, cursing, or intense violence but not for partial nudity (partial or complete nudity is what we are trying to prevent with our XNA rules).
For example, if you look on http://www.esrb.org you'll see that SoulCalibur IV got a 'T' rating with the following warning:
Mild Language, Partial Nudity, Sexual Themes, Violencewhereas BloodRayne got an 'M' rating with the following warning:
Blood and Gore, Strong Language, Violence However Rayne's outfit meets our rules and is not counted as partial nudity so she's allowed despite that her game has a higher age rating.
And there are ways around this. You could reupload her with a mesh (a box or something) that covers her T&A, with a texture than can be made transparent easily after the download (or even include this texture, lol), and then people could still have her. It's silly, I know, but why would that even be necessary.
That would end badly for whoever was doing it XD We don't control what people share with each other outside the forum so there's absolutely no reason to try to trick us and post things here which break the rules.
Fair enough if you don't want to work with an edited version of Ivy (I was trying to look for in-game shots of her and I admit I had trouble telling if some pics were official or fanmade, but it looks like she has other outfits which do cover the bikini area so it should still be possible to use an official Ivy without editing her :)).
Sure, but that's her alternative outfit, not the one that was used in the promotion of the game (screenshots, trailers). And it still means the model we have now (well, had) is useless, and time was wasted on it.
We want to keep the XNA rules consistent for all characters. It doesn't really matter that SoulCalibur IV got a 'T' rating because the ESRB usually only gives an 'M' rating for explicit sexual content, cursing, or intense violence but not for partial nudity (partial or complete nudity is what we are trying to prevent with our XNA rules).
For example, if you look on http://www.esrb.org you'll see that SoulCalibur IV got a 'T' rating with the following warning:
whereas BloodRayne got an 'M' rating with the following warning:
However Rayne's outfit meets our rules and is not counted as partial nudity so she's allowed despite that her game has a higher age rating.
That sounds reasonable. :)
That would end badly for whoever was doing it XD We don't control what people share with each other outside the forum so there's absolutely no reason to try to trick us and post things here which break the rules.
Alright. It's a shame, because it really was a lot of work to fix that model, I can tell. But it's good to have things clear now, so that people won't waste their time working on models and in the end see them (and in the worst case themselves) getting banned from the forum.
I know I won't even think about working on Shura (same game), forget it :pi: (she wears a thong :p). Or Cammy from Street Fighter (also a thong :o). :(
Or Cammy from Street Fighter (also a thong :o). :(
*sends Cammy's WIP folder to recycle bin*
What, were you working on her?! :eek:
:(:(:(
What, were you working on her?! :eek:
:(:(:(
Only worked a couple of hours on her (luckily! :() her armature still needed some tunning, as her hips-legs rig and mouth, eyelids, eyebrows...
http://i.imgur.com/C4CiL.jpg
Ward Dragon
02-03-11, 02:49
Only worked a couple of hours on her (luckily! :() her armature still needed some tunning, as her hips-legs rig and mouth, eyelids, eyebrows...
http://i.imgur.com/C4CiL.jpg
She looks fully clothed to me :confused: Or are the green and blue areas covering the actual outfit?
I'll post here instead of replying to the furore in the recap thread. First of all, as Ward Dragon pointed out above, the moderators are perfectly aware that Ivy Valentine is from a Teen rated game. But that doesn't change the fact that her outfit crosses the boundaries that we have established for the XNALara section. That's why the model was removed - after much discussion among the moderators, I might add. Believe me, none of us are such prudes that a bit of visible flesh makes us faint with horror. :rolleyes: We enforce the rules strictly in order to maintain some amount of control over the XNALara section, which is one of the fastest moving sections on this forum, and one in which a lot of people seem to be bent upon pushing the boundaries and creating chaos.
Also, the fact seems to be almost completely lost in this section, but people need to be reminded that this is a Tomb Raider forum. It's not a Soul Calibur forum, and it most certainly is not an 'artistic nudes (or almost-nudes)' forum. That's the reason why the rules are based on what Lara wears in the official games, and not what some other character wears in other teen-rated games. While I completely understand that XNALara has moved well beyond a simple Lara posing program, that does not mean that anything that is possible with XNALara needs to be showcased on this forum.
Is this the Ivy you guys are talking about.
http://www.tombraiderforums.com/showpost.php?p=5106966&postcount=7518
Can i see this Ivy Model so i can understand what you guys are talking about :confused:Google it
I'll post here instead of replying to the furore in the recap thread. First of all, as Ward Dragon pointed out above, the moderators are perfectly aware that Ivy Valentine is from a Teen rated game. But that doesn't change the fact that her outfit crosses the boundaries that we have established for the XNALara section. That's why the model was removed - after much discussion among the moderators, I might add. Believe me, none of us are such prudes that a bit of visible flesh makes us faint with horror. :rolleyes: We enforce the rules strictly in order to maintain some amount of control over the XNALara section, which is one of the fastest moving sections on this forum, and one in which a lot of people seem to be bent upon pushing the boundaries and creating chaos.
Also, the fact seems to be almost completely lost in this section, but people need to be reminded that this is a Tomb Raider forum. It's not a Soul Calibur forum, and it most certainly is not an 'artistic nudes (or almost-nudes)' forum. That's the reason why the rules are based on what Lara wears in the official games, and not what some other character wears in other teen-rated games. While I completely understand that XNALara has moved well beyond a simple Lara posing program, that does not mean that anything that is possible with XNALara needs to be showcased on this forum.
I'm sorry but I will have to point out that my Ivy model does not cross any boundaries you have established. She is not in violation of any of these rules so banning her was completely unaccepatable.
The general rule is that all female characters in any modded images and models (using XNALara or anything else) must not show any more skin than Lara does in her Legend bikini. Male characters can be topless, but not bottomless.
Nude models of Lara or any other character (whether from the TR franchise or not) cannot be offered for download. That includes linking to sites which have such models for download.
But images/renders in which Lara is naked are allowed, as long as she is covered in some way (for example, with her hands or hidden behind furniture) in such a way that does not expose any more skin than a bikini would. Please note that this applies to images only, and not downloadable models!
Sexually suggestive or vulgar poses and gestures are also not allowed, whether or not the character doing them is fully clothed.
Firstly, she might show a little bit more than Lara does in her official bikini but she is not a modded model. Second, she is not nude at all! . I did not spend weeks on rigging the model just to see it get banned as if I released some nude model.
I am not proposing to lift the ban at all cuz I honestly don't care anymore. I released an earlier version of her (here (http://www.tombraiderforums.com/showpost.php?p=5106966&postcount=7518)) which is technically the exact same model with monotone coloring and without some armor but for some reason it did not get banned. Go ahead and ban it as well but keep in mind how poorly this was handled in doing so. So with all due respect, I suggest that you sort out the rules so that this banning makes more sense.:)
Also, whoever reported it needs to get a life.:wve:
Just because it's not 'modded' in the technical sense does not mean that the model does not have to comply by the rules. Nobody claims she is nude - but the amount of cloth on her ***** and butt is far less than in Lara's bikini, which is used as the standard.
And there is no need to make such a melodrama out of it. The rules are perfectly clear and they are posted in this stickied thread so that everyone can see them. If you choose to ignore them and work on something that clearly violates them, then you have no reason to complain about your lost work. If you have a doubt about whether or not something will be acceptable, then all you need to do is ask a moderator via PM before spending your time and energy.
Btw, nobody reported it. Contrary to popular belief, the moderators actually keep an eye on this section.
The earlier model was posted before the new rules came into effect. As stated in the first page, the rules do not apply retroactively. Whatever was posted before that remains the way it was.
Just because it's not 'modded' in the technical sense does not mean that the model does not have to comply by the rules. Nobody claims she is nude - but the amount of cloth on her ***** and butt is far less than in Lara's bikini, which is used as the standard.
And there is no need to make such a melodrama out of it. The rules are perfectly clear and they are posted in this stickied thread so that everyone can see them. If you choose to ignore them and work on something that clearly violates them, then you have no reason to complain about your lost work. If you have a doubt about whether or not something will be acceptable, then all you need to do is ask a moderator via PM before spending your time and energy.
Btw, nobody reported it. Contrary to popular belief, the moderators actually keep an eye on this section.
The earlier model was posted before the new rules came into effect. As stated in the first page, the rules do not apply retroactively. Whatever was posted before that remains the way it was.
Okay.
I'm not making a melodrama or complaining about my lost work. For your information, I didn't do any further work after the earlier model. If you by any chance cared to read what you deleted, you will know that my friend vega82 did the work and gave it to me for release. I apologize that a model I released was in violation with some rules set by people who do not even use XNALara.:)
And what makes you think that a person needs to use XNALara in order to judge whether or not a model is appropriate for the forum? The two things have nothing to do with each other.
And FYI, I do know how to use XNALara - at least the basics. I'm just not particularly good at it, which is why I have never bothered to post anything.
Some of Ivy's artwork was modified for the Americans, however the in-game model remained the same as the other versions.
http://i.imgur.com/8Hrn1.png
They just censored the underboobage, but if something similar could be done for the entire suit and with the in-game model, perhaps it could turn out a win-win scenario.
I know they censored Ivy with a lavender-color bodysuit in some versions of the original game, as well. Just some modders' reference. :p
robbie_rawr
02-03-11, 15:43
^ your gunna get your ass kicked XD
http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/7021/funnysmily1.png
If thatīs official, I suppose it would be worth it to give it a shot...
I have the alternative version somewhere on my harddisk (with the skirt), she would just need a few extra bones but the base model is the same I would say.
...
I personally think it's all about the message that you want to convey in your picture and if you don't display the character in a way that they were never meant to be displayed.
...
It's a shame that the model was banned, since a lot of work was put in it as well. I was hoping the staff could share their thoughts about this. :)
...
We don't want to start making exceptions because then that makes things even more confusing.
My view is that the current rules are fine and if a model shows more skin than the bikini (such as Ivy) then according to the current rules no downloads are allowed, but renders are okay as long as we can't see anything more than Lara's bikini would show.
I'm also thinking that maybe someone could modify Ivy's outfit a little bit so that the fabric covers as much as Lara's bikini. That should be okay too because it would comply with the established rules.
I agree with Love2Raid and others. :hug: And i agree with Ward Dragon and the rules. :tmb:
No more skin than the bikini - without exception!
The proposal to cover the skin is a good idea. I offer to do it. (Or blufan?)
My suggestion: Ends the public discussion here. The moderators are looking for a solution.
:whi: We start a new thread and start a contest. :cool:
Topic of the competion: The best modification of the most beautiful outfits from Ivy Valentine, according to the the established rules.
:)
Entries thread (http://www.tombraiderforums.com/showthread.php?t=179056)
Voting thread (http://www.tombraiderforums.com/showthread.php?t=180210)
Results (http://www.tombraiderforums.com/showthread.php?t=180627)
we just need to make a mod for a TRF Friendly version
we just need to make a mod for a TRF Friendly version
Look on the page previously (http://www.tombraiderforums.com/showpost.php?p=5245551&postcount=60) :whi:
I agree with Love2Raid and others. :hug: And i agree with Ward Dragon and the rules. :tmb:
No more skin than the bikini - without exception!
The proposal to cover the skin is a good idea. I offer to do it. (Or blufan?)
My suggestion: Ends the public discussion here. The moderators are looking for a solution.
:whi: We start a new thread and start a contest. :cool:
Topic of the competion: The best modification of the most beautiful outfits from Ivy Valentine, according to the the established rules.
:)
Making Ivy 'TRF friendly': a modding competition.
Sounds great, I want to give it a try! :vlol::jmp:
Not you missy, you have 2 maybe 3 Very Important Models to Finish First :p
$AtlantiB$
02-03-11, 21:32
I was bored till TRF was unavailable...
Are you talking about this?
http://s41.radikal.ru/i091/1103/08/d6ca9d4c03c8.jpg
And also. I know TRF have some adult section... so why dont create XNALara thread for adult pictures and mods there and ban all adult pictures and mods in main XNALara thread... It will be cool! and without violating TRF rules
Most of users have DA accounts and if someone want to see adult picture user can go on DA. :) what do you think?
because i really bored about really pervert pictures forom guys 14-15 years old... it looks strange )
^ yes :vlol: looks much better
Oh, looks like the competition is already over. :tea:
Awesome! What does the back look like? :mis:
Ward Dragon
02-03-11, 22:26
And also. I know TRF have some adult section... so why dont create XNALara thread for adult pictures and mods there and ban all adult pictures and mods in main XNALara thread... It will be cool! and without violating TRF rules
I like that idea :D There's still no actual nudity in MGC but the rules are definitely more relaxed than here in the general section.
^ i Requested Access to that 18+ forum but never got in for some reason, any idea why
Ward Dragon
02-03-11, 22:42
^ i Requested Access to that 18+ forum but never got in for some reason, any idea why
Hmm, I don't know why. Try sending another e-mail using the Contact Us (http://www.tombraiderforums.com/sendmessage.php) link and request access again :)
LOL I requested access too, months ago but... nothing happended, I thought it was a myth or something, like the chupacabra or good decaffeinated coffee.
i sent another , hope i get in, been wondering about that place for a while :p
Ward Dragon
03-03-11, 17:46
In an attempt to eliminate ambiguity, I've taken screenshots of the Legend bikini and edited out the straps and a little bit in the center which the dress reveals. This should make it clear which parts have to be covered for XNA:
http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f214/WraithStar/XNAguidelinesbikinifinal2-1.jpg
It's okay if the strap areas are handled differently (which is why I removed them to show you have freedom to put whatever you want there) but the remaining areas shown in white fabric have to be covered by opaque material in every female outfit (male characters can still be topless though).
I hope this makes things a bit more clear :)
Is this Model safe to be used, or does it go over the Naked rule :confused:
http://s010.radikal.ru/i311/1012/8b/0b2345624ea5.png
Ward Dragon
09-05-11, 22:01
Is this Model safe to be used, or does it go over the Naked rule :confused:
http://s010.radikal.ru/i311/1012/8b/0b2345624ea5.png
It looks like a recolor of the Scorched Natla outfit from TRA. In TRA she wasn't naked (more like she had some kind of bony armor covering her body). I think a recolor of that should be okay as long as there aren't any details added to make her look naked. In this case it looks like she's wearing a purple leotard so it should be fine :)
It looks like a recolor of the Scorched Natla outfit from TRA. In TRA she wasn't naked (more like she had some kind of bony armor covering her body). I think a recolor of that should be okay as long as there aren't any details added to make her look naked. In this case it looks like she's wearing a purple leotard so it should be fine :)
http://s009.radikal.ru/i307/1011/ff/fb156d3b40c2t.jpg
http://i078.radikal.ru/1012/c0/2545a2c5e0dat.jpg
This is Natla-Zerg (http://www.tombraiderforums.com/showpost.php?p=5108952&postcount=715) from Love2Raid's The Art of Modding Competition. She is not naked (more like she had some kind of bony armor covering her body). ;)
http://th07.deviantart.net/fs70/150/i/2011/031/7/b/everything_must_burn____by_atlantib-d38h1xs.png
Scorched Natla from TRA for XNALara are here (http://atlantib.deviantart.com/art/Everything-must-burn-195631120). ;)
Speed Grapher
23-05-11, 20:52
-raises hand-
I have a question, do these rules apply to just stuff posted here or in general? And this goes for like, ANY model from ANYthing used in XNA right?
Cuz there's like a buttload of people on dA who seem to just either not know about these rules or not care, so I was a little confused.
Not that it bothers me in any case, I don't use the program to pose erotic stuff. XD
TheRealhero
23-05-11, 20:54
-raises hand-
I have a question, do these rules apply to just stuff posted here or in general? And this goes for like, ANY model from ANYthing used in XNA right?
Cuz there's like a buttload of people on dA who seem to just either not know about these rules or not care, so I was a little confused.
Not that it bothers me in any case, I don't use the program to pose erotic stuff. XD
These rules are for this forum. The credit stuff can be applied elsewhere of course. But rules here don't really govern other sites.
o0Crofty0o
23-05-11, 20:58
-raises hand-
I have a question, do these rules apply to just stuff posted here or in general? And this goes for like, ANY model from ANYthing used in XNA right?
Cuz there's like a buttload of people on dA who seem to just either not know about these rules or not care, so I was a little confused.
Not that it bothers me in any case, I don't use the program to pose erotic stuff. XD
These rules are only for this Forum.
They're not for XNALara in general. Wich means that it's okay if naked art is posted outside this forum. You just aren't allowed to post it here. (at least not when the said parts aren't covered)
-raises hand-
I have a question, do these rules apply to just stuff posted here or in general? And this goes for like, ANY model from ANYthing used in XNA right?
Cuz there's like a buttload of people on dA who seem to just either not know about these rules or not care, so I was a little confused.
Not that it bothers me in any case, I don't use the program to pose erotic stuff. XD
I had another thought to add onto this whole debate. In the past Eidos has actively discouraged nude mods because of the bad effect on Lara's reputation (which potentially affects the sales of the TR games). If someone uses Mod Protector out of a desire to prevent their mod from being turned into a nude mod, then they're trying to respect Eidos' wishes regarding how Lara should be portrayed.
.
silviu_raider
25-05-11, 11:57
This might not be considered as a rule, but could we make something like the pictures to be in JPG format?
PNG is killing my bandwidth. :o
Ward Dragon
25-05-11, 12:41
This might not be considered as a rule, but could we make something like the pictures to be in JPG format?
PNG is killing my bandwidth. :o
It's already strongly suggested that people post thumbnail links for images larger than 500 kb (although that's not a set-in-stone rule). It should be a common courtesy out of respect for everyone else :)
QueRandomNoise
22-06-11, 05:00
One question. In the movie, the fifth element, Leeloo is strapped with white strips of fabric. It doesn't cover all of the parts that the fabric does in the bikini, but it does cover her nipples, bum and hoohah (XD). Is that okay?
Ward Dragon
22-06-11, 22:42
One question. In the movie, the fifth element, Leeloo is strapped with white strips of fabric. It doesn't cover all of the parts that the fabric does in the bikini, but it does cover her nipples, bum and hoohah (XD). Is that okay?
Are you making the mod yourself or extracting it from somewhere? If you're making it yourself then I think it's best to make the fabric stripes a bit wider to comply with the bikini rule :) If you're extracting it, then you'd have to send me a PM with a screenshot of her before we can tell whether it's acceptable :)
TheRealhero
14-04-12, 01:42
I wasn't sure where to post this but I thought here might be
a good place. I just checked over the rules but there wasn't
anything about my question so I'll post it here. If it needs to
be moved to deleted, I'll be happy to do so.
I was hoping to find out what rules or guidelines there are for
contests here on the forum. I've seen a few people post them
but I have never done so myself. Are we allowed to simply
open a new thread or a contest or is there something that
needs to be done first? I just wanted to pop on here and check
before I do anything that I potentially should not be doing.
I wasn't sure where to post this but I thought here might be
a good place. I just checked over the rules but there wasn't
anything about my question so I'll post it here. If it needs to
be moved to deleted, I'll be happy to do so.
I was hoping to find out what rules or guidelines there are for
contests here on the forum. I've seen a few people post them
but I have never done so myself. Are we allowed to simply
open a new thread or a contest or is there something that
needs to be done first? I just wanted to pop on here and check
before I do anything that I potentially should not be doing.
There's no rule against contests, as long it respects the other rules you should be fine.
TheRealhero
14-04-12, 02:27
There's no rule against contests, as long it respects the other rules you should be fine.
Do you think there would be a problem with doing a contest that
is linked to one on Deviant art? I mean I want to have the contest
generally on DA but the people on here are such good modders
that I thought it would be nice to include them since some of them
do not use DA as much or at all.
Do you think there would be a problem with doing a contest that
is linked to one on Deviant art? I mean I want to have the contest
generally on DA but the people on here are such good modders
that I thought it would be nice to include them since some of them
do not use DA as much or at all.
I dont think there would be a problem, I created a contest myself, well 2, but one never got finished >_>
TheRealhero - If you want to start a contest here, there are no rules against it. Just remember that you would be responsible for the contest from start to finish, i.e. for setting up the entries thread, then setting up voting, and calculating the results. You can, of course, ask a moderator for help if you need it. :)
About having a contest linked to one on Deviantart - I'm not sure how that would work. Could you explain in a bit more detail?
RoxasKennedy
14-04-12, 21:03
About having a contest linked to one on Deviantart - I'm not sure how that would work. Could you explain in a bit more detail?
There are a lot of people on DeviantArt who use XNALara, but aren't on TRF. TheRealHero probably means to make an competition for members here and on DeviantArt in his/her group.
TheRealhero
14-04-12, 23:40
TheRealhero - If you want to start a contest here, there are no rules against it. Just remember that you would be responsible for the contest from start to finish, i.e. for setting up the entries thread, then setting up voting, and calculating the results. You can, of course, ask a moderator for help if you need it. :)
About having a contest linked to one on Deviantart - I'm not sure how that would work. Could you explain in a bit more detail?
Thanks for the responses from everyone.
My idea was generally to have people both here and on DA work on
models that go with the contest. Like RoxasKennedy said, not everyone
on DA is a member here and vice versa. The real plan was to have people
work on specific models and once the contest was over, xnalara artists
could use the created models in a following contest to make an image
with them. If that's confusing, I'm sorry. I'm half rushed at the moment
but I wanted to get this out before I ran off.
I'm just not sure how many people would enter.
My question now is this; Should I just create another thread with
contest details or post somewhere asking if members would even
be interested in the contest before putting any work into a new
thread for it?
It would be best to post an 'idea' thread first. In this thread, you can describe what you want to do and get feedback about it. If enough people are interested in participating, you can then create the real entries thread. :)
I think it could be complicated to have it running in two different places. Maybe those people on dA can all just join the forum? :whi::p
Why XNALara section don't have Openchat/Offtopic?
Why XNALara section don't have Openchat/Offtopic?
because you spam too much the already existing threads :p
because you spam too much the already existing threads :p
http://weknowmemes.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/oh-stop-it-you.png
xD
:vlol:
We usually use the w.i.p. thread for that. ^_^
I will make a thread, let's see how long it lasts. :p
because you spam too much the already existing threads :p
Love2Raid - So you know XD
TheRealhero
15-04-12, 01:27
It would be best to post an 'idea' thread first. In this thread, you can describe what you want to do and get feedback about it. If enough people are interested in participating, you can then create the real entries thread. :)
I think it could be complicated to have it running in two different places. Maybe those people on dA can all just join the forum? :whi::p
I just posted a thread about it, thanks.
I do think I'll invite people to join the forum but some probably
wont. If they don't want to join, I'll take care of everything. I
already have a plan...sort of Lol
Rule modified in the first post:
Nude models of Lara or any other character (whether from the TR franchise or not) cannot be offered for download. That includes linking to sites which have such models for download.
Models that do not comply with the XNALara rules on TRF (whether from the TR franchise or not) cannot be offered for download. That includes linking to sites which have such models for download.
Nude models?
What about bikini version?(with too much visible skin ofc)
The forum rules (as stated by the staff) should be clear for everyone now. Break them, you get a warning or banned. Simple as that!
But what about the 'unwritten' XNA community rules? The ones that will, when you dare to break them, result in a lynch mob chasing your butt instead? New members can't know about those since they aren't written anywhere, yet they are shunned when they don't act 'like they should'. How are they supposed to know? You can say 'you should have read all the threads before posting' or 'do your homework', but I personally do not think this is the right way to treat each other. It's not only disrespectful, but it also looks very hostile and uninviting. I can see how people would be turned off from joining. This would, of course, be a shame. The more, the merrier, after all! :)
I am, of course, talking about what happened in the request thread a short while ago. Highly embarrassing in my opinion. I know how easily people point at others and see them as the 'root' of the problem. Don't make me laugh. The biggest scapegoat (name starts with an X) barely posts anymore and what exactly has changed? Right, nothing. Quite a few advanced modders have already left because they didn't feel welcome anymore.
So what should be done is (IMO):
1. @everyone:
http://i.imgur.com/NmOP9.png
2. We need to come up with some guidelines and write them down. Such as how we as a community feel about:
- credits
- using work by other members (for modding)
- requesting things (when is it too much?)
- re-uploading models that are no longer available
- distribution of raw data from games
- 'claiming' model w.i.p.'s (how long can you expect people to wait?)
- other things
Credits
I think that first and foremost, the original developer of the content has to be credited. If a model porter/modder explicitly mentiones that they do not wish to be credited, then don't (of course). If they require it, then write their name down as well. If they don't say anything about it, you can decide for yourself what you want. Crediting makes it easier for others (like people on deviantArt) to find the model, though.
Using work by others
Always check if there is a readme file. If the modder wrote in that readme that they don't want others to take textures/meshes/armature etc. from the model, then don't do it. If there is no readme, contact the modder about it. If you can't reach them, you can either decide to use it or not use it. If you do, at least make sure to credit that person so that they won't be butt-hurt when they return to teh interwebs and see it. Try to place yourself in their shoes, how would you want to be treated?
Requesting things
...
Re-uploading
If a model has a working link, don't create a new one. If a link no longer works, contact the person who uploaded it. Why is it down? Maybe the person doesn't even know (Mediafire tends to delete links :pi:), you can do them a big favour by letting them know about it, so that they can re-up it themself. They might have taken it down for a reason, maybe it has an error or it needs an update. So contacting them will make this clear to you. Anyway, if the person can't be reached in any way, I would say that anyone who was lucky enough to download that model should share it with others, if people are asking for it. Let me hear your thoughts about it.
Distribution of raw data
What is our point of view as a community on this?
Claiming models
When you want to work on something, let others know about it in the w.i.p. thread, to avoid duplicates. However... how long should such a claim remain valid? Is it okay to let people wait a whole year (for example) while other people with the same know-how and all the time in the world would love to do it too and be able to finish it in less than a week? I am looking forward to see some opinions about this. :)
Please share your thoughts about how we can make the XNALara forum a more inviting and less hostile place for newcomers and veterans alike.
RoxasKennedy
15-07-12, 22:13
I personally wanted rules like this to be made. Because there's only the nudity rule, and the disclaimer.
And I believe that the incident was partialy caused by the lack of rules. The person who was attacked only saw that disclaimer and the person used that in his defense.
So I believe these rules should come in handy for every newcomer.
Yes, but do you agree with what I wrote there? :o
RoxasKennedy
15-07-12, 22:29
Yes, but do you agree with what I wrote there? :o
Forgot to put it there. >.<
I agree. :D
They aren't really affecting me in any way, so I have no objections.
BlondeSteve92
15-07-12, 22:31
I honestly think that what happened in the request thread could have been avoid, but both users was in the wrong. I didn't agree with the new users attitude and with the old user. It should have been handled better.
I'm not even going to talk about the "scapegoat" if they should even be called that. A few stuff that was towards me in the past was a big no no for me. Respect is earned not given from the get go, same for everyone, regardless of any role they have on this site. That's where I stand on that matter, just like in real life for me, I wouldn't expect respect given to me just because of my job or whatever. :)
About the new rules, yes we need this place to be alot clearer about things, but I don't think new users or maybe old users will look at them. In experience, the site get's the one new user who comes to request what they want and then never heard off again, people don't tend to look around, they stick to the recap thread and the request thread. But if we can all help make the place better then I'm all for.
I think about the W.I.P I do feel like if someone said they really want to port something, then the time they do it in doesn't matter. Like with Tali, I really wanted to port her then BAM! She's in the recap. I felt gutted, wishing that I ported her sooner. I think if people want to see the model ASAP then they should just ask about it, "oh can we get this model any time soon?" Sure, I'll put the model at the top of my to do list and try to do the model by this weekend, or something like that.
No one has the right to put claims on these models and they don't I haven't seen users do that. They aren't stupid, but I would out of respect for them, for fixing up the models etc to not re upload or anything like that.
Just have to see how things go from here.
It's missing the READ THE RULES rule.
And one for paratroopers.
http://s8.postimage.org/ep1cwoued/tumblr_lvfyv0p7_Bq1qehntzo1_500.jpg
Pretty much I agree with L2R's post,I mean who would want to continue posting in a place where they get "attacked" after their first post (I wouldn't 4sure)...though,now here comes the other part....some new users should really act like...new users you know,you can't just go someplace where no one knows you and start demanding like people own you anything (not talking about the last incident here,I actually only saw that post after the edit) but the tone really makes the music. And since you may not be familiar with everything around the place quite yet if you fell unsure with something,it won't hurt to ask first before taking action.
But then,we either can't really go like "how many times I said ...?" cause they aren't supposed to know everything we said, regardless of how many times we did...they're new here. :)
A "cup" of tolerance and a "spoon" of common sense should be the only "rule" for everyone,us already here and the future users. ^^
My two cents on this for all its worth...
Credits... agree with the credits if only to track down the model via the porter if searches using the game creator /developer as parameter turns up zero.
Using work by others... agree as well with the readme just to avoid the prevalent annoying converted by/credit me mindset most users have
re-uploading... agree EXCEPT for sharing it openly. Give a PRIVATE link to the requestor out of respect for the original porter who couldn't be reached. Thats what PMs are for.
raw data... maybe... but personally I found out via experience you extract them yourself you find complete sets of everything you'll be needing (i.e. textures, meshes etc) that shared raw data frequently lack.
claiming wip... probably depends on the extraction/convertion method used. unreal engine games shouldn't take over a week to convert... while some games (capcom stuff) have tons of textures and meshes per model to consider and others are rigged from scratch. Post a wip then people should expect it in the recap at most 3 months.
The forum rules (as stated by the staff) should be clear for everyone now. Break them, you get a warning or banned. Simple as that!
But what about the 'unwritten' XNA community rules? The ones that will, when you dare to break them, result in a lynch mob chasing your butt instead? New members can't know about those since they aren't written anywhere, yet they are shunned when they don't act 'like they should'. How are they supposed to know? You can say 'you should have read all the threads before posting' or 'do your homework', but I personally do not think this is the right way to treat each other. It's not only disrespectful, but it also looks very hostile and uninviting. I can see how people would be turned off from joining. This would, of course, be a shame. The more, the merrier, after all! :)
I am, of course, talking about what happened in the request thread a short while ago. Highly embarrassing in my opinion. I know how easily people point at others and see them as the 'root' of the problem. Don't make me laugh. The biggest scapegoat (name starts with an X) barely posts anymore and what exactly has changed? Right, nothing. Quite a few advanced modders have already left because they didn't feel welcome anymore.
So what should be done is (IMO):
1. @everyone:
http://i.imgur.com/NmOP9.png
2. We need to come up with some guidelines and write them down. Such as how we as a community feel about:
- credits
- using work by other members (for modding)
- requesting things (when is it too much?)
- re-uploading models that are no longer available
- distribution of raw data from games
- 'claiming' model w.i.p.'s (how long can you expect people to wait?)
- other things
Credits
I think that first and foremost, the original developer of the content has to be credited. If a model porter/modder explicitly mentiones that they do not wish to be credited, then don't (of course). If they require it, then write their name down as well. If they don't say anything about it, you can decide for yourself what you want. Crediting makes it easier for others (like people on deviantArt) to find the model, though.
Using work by others
Always check if there is a readme file. If the modder wrote in that readme that they don't want others to take textures/meshes/armature etc. from the model, then don't do it. If there is no readme, contact the modder about it. If you can't reach them, you can either decide to use it or not use it. If you do, at least make sure to credit that person so that they won't be butt-hurt when they return to teh interwebs and see it. Try to place yourself in their shoes, how would you want to be treated?
Requesting things
...
Re-uploading
If a model has a working link, don't create a new one. If a link no longer works, contact the person who uploaded it. Why is it down? Maybe the person doesn't even know (Mediafire tends to delete links :pi:), you can do them a big favour by letting them know about it, so that they can re-up it themself. They might have taken it down for a reason, maybe it has an error or it needs an update. So contacting them will make this clear to you. Anyway, if the person can't be reached in any way, I would say that anyone who was lucky enough to download that model should share it with others, if people are asking for it. Let me hear your thoughts about it.
Distribution of raw data
What is our point of view as a community on this?
Claiming models
When you want to work on something, let others know about it in the w.i.p. thread, to avoid duplicates. However... how long should such a claim remain valid? Is it okay to let people wait a whole year (for example) while other people with the same know-how and all the time in the world would love to do it too and be able to finish it in less than a week? I am looking forward to see some opinions about this. :)
Please share your thoughts about how we can make the XNALara forum a more inviting and less hostile place for newcomers and veterans alike.
I totally agree with Claiming models. Because if I want to export any model and I notice that someone wanted to do that a year ago and suddenly he wants now too then it s strange.
Well as the noob who people immediately jumped upon even when everybody got their credit, my portion of this is that I agree with Love2Raid's proposals. The Fil's DA account for one, couldn't be accessed because it was down for some reason. I couldn't PM the person. But I was lucky enough to download the models and somebody wanted them.
(TheFil (http://thefil.deviantart.com/) is back)
There was no readme.
If you're not the one who ported the models, then chill out and don't take it so personally. I will (always and very easily) remove any links I have given out due to someone's request if it bothers the original porter.
But I'm not going to take third party orders if you're not responsible. You can get as mad as you want, and I'll greet you in the same fashion.
I didn't know before that sn00p was responsible for porting the Witcher models, but instead of telling me I'm lazy (and an ass) for not checking the recap thread, a little courtesy could have been exercised. Such as referring me to the bloody recap thread link.
Edit: Oh, and none of them went against the beginning Lara Guidelines image in regards to outside links of models.
Well as the noob who people immediately jumped upon even when everybody got their credit, my portion of this is that I agree with Love2Raid's proposals. The Fil's DA account for one, couldn't be accessed because it was down for some reason. I couldn't PM the person. But I was lucky enough to download the models and somebody wanted them.
(TheFil (http://thefil.deviantart.com/) is back)
There was no readme.
If you're not the one who ported the models, then chill out and don't take it so personally. I will (always and very easily) remove any links I have given out due to someone's request if it bothers the original porter.
But I'm not going to take third party orders if you're not responsible. You can get as mad as you want, and I'll greet you in the same fashion.
I didn't know before that sn00p was responsible for porting the Witcher models, but instead of telling me I'm lazy (and an ass) for not checking the recap thread, a little courtesy could have been exercised. Such as referring me to the bloody recap thread link.
Edit: Oh, and none of them went against the beginning Lara Guidelines image in regards to outside links of models.
Sorry but you know why I "jumped" on you? You clearly don't read what people write.
Go back to the request thread where you posted that HUGE list of models in your very first post.
Read what Crofty replied to you.
Then look what you did some posts later.
Now tell me, did you read what she said at all.
And do you think I care about post count? I would have replied to you the same way even if I had no posts at all.
You didn't read anything people said to you.
If I recall you where the one who got pissed first over that huge list of yours, you even compared our community to some other bad one.
Yeah I'm the bad guy around here, thanks. I think I'll ask a mod for an account deletion them I can create a new one with 0 posts, so we can talk with no posts barrier. Right?
o0Crofty0o
16-07-12, 17:02
The forum rules (as stated by the staff) should be clear for everyone now. Break them, you get a warning or banned. Simple as that!
But what about the 'unwritten' XNA community rules? The ones that will, when you dare to break them, result in a lynch mob chasing your butt instead? New members can't know about those since they aren't written anywhere, yet they are shunned when they don't act 'like they should'. How are they supposed to know? You can say 'you should have read all the threads before posting' or 'do your homework', but I personally do not think this is the right way to treat each other. It's not only disrespectful, but it also looks very hostile and uninviting. I can see how people would be turned off from joining. This would, of course, be a shame. The more, the merrier, after all! :)
I am, of course, talking about what happened in the request thread a short while ago. Highly embarrassing in my opinion. I know how easily people point at others and see them as the 'root' of the problem. Don't make me laugh. The biggest scapegoat (name starts with an X) barely posts anymore and what exactly has changed? Right, nothing. Quite a few advanced modders have already left because they didn't feel welcome anymore.
So what should be done is (IMO):
1. @everyone:
http://i.imgur.com/NmOP9.png[/MG]
2. We need to come up with some guidelines and write them down. Such as how we as a community feel about:
- credits
- using work by other members (for modding)
- requesting things (when is it too much?)
- re-uploading models that are no longer available
- distribution of raw data from games
- 'claiming' model w.i.p.'s (how long can you expect people to wait?)
- other things
[I]Credits
I think that first and foremost, the original developer of the content has to be credited. If a model porter/modder explicitly mentiones that they do not wish to be credited, then don't (of course). If they require it, then write their name down as well. If they don't say anything about it, you can decide for yourself what you want. Crediting makes it easier for others (like people on deviantArt) to find the model, though.
Using work by others
Always check if there is a readme file. If the modder wrote in that readme that they don't want others to take textures/meshes/armature etc. from the model, then don't do it. If there is no readme, contact the modder about it. If you can't reach them, you can either decide to use it or not use it. If you do, at least make sure to credit that person so that they won't be butt-hurt when they return to teh interwebs and see it. Try to place yourself in their shoes, how would you want to be treated?
Requesting things
...
Re-uploading
If a model has a working link, don't create a new one. If a link no longer works, contact the person who uploaded it. Why is it down? Maybe the person doesn't even know (Mediafire tends to delete links :pi:), you can do them a big favour by letting them know about it, so that they can re-up it themself. They might have taken it down for a reason, maybe it has an error or it needs an update. So contacting them will make this clear to you. Anyway, if the person can't be reached in any way, I would say that anyone who was lucky enough to download that model should share it with others, if people are asking for it. Let me hear your thoughts about it.
Distribution of raw data
What is our point of view as a community on this?
Claiming models
When you want to work on something, let others know about it in the w.i.p. thread, to avoid duplicates. However... how long should such a claim remain valid? Is it okay to let people wait a whole year (for example) while other people with the same know-how and all the time in the world would love to do it too and be able to finish it in less than a week? I am looking forward to see some opinions about this. :)
Please share your thoughts about how we can make the XNALara forum a more inviting and less hostile place for newcomers and veterans alike.
I mostly agree with this^^
Claiming models however well yeah... one year is kinda much, but yet there are few games that i personally simply am a fan of and want to do the models so badly (deus ex human revolution...i would have pooped them all out if it wasn't so hard to get them)
I think that people should post what they work on in the wip thread. Whole lists should imo be on the first post >_> but well the user who opened that thread isn't online much anymore =/
Well it would make it easier for people to see what's being worked on. If they then can't wait to do/ see a model here they should ask the person who said he/she's going to work on it, if he/she still wants to do it and when. If yes then the asking person should accept it and if not then the road's free xD
I personally always do it like that. Well i'm rambling a bit xD here's a good and a bad example of reacting to wip stuff/model claiming:
Good:
Just recently i asked rexil if he's still going to do Hyperdimension Neptunia MK2 models. He said yes so i accept that and wait nvm how long.
Bad:
Just recently i asked rexil if he's still going to do Hyperdimension Neptunia MK2 models. He said yes but i don't want to wait so i just do them myself.
Second one is just impolite and doesn't really support any community feeling imo. Badly that happens quite often, because people are impatient and rather use rushed stuff instead of stuff that has been tweaked to look good.
Sorry but you know why I "jumped" on you? You clearly don't read what people write.
Go back to the request thread where you posted that HUGE list of models in your very first post.
Read what Crofty replied to you.
Then look what you did some posts later.
Now tell me, did you read what she said at all.
And do you think I care about post count? I would have replied to you the same way even if I had no posts at all.
You didn't read anything people said to you.
If I recall you where the one who got pissed first over that huge list of yours, you even compared our community to some other bad one.
Yes, I remember. The "you ain't gonna make no friends around here" bandwagon. I didn't reply angrily, I replied exactly to what people said. I didn't think they all needed me to dissect their ideas with individual quotes. Clearly that's what I do when I'm steemed, as with you.
I obviously read what they said, because I completely deleted my entire long list of requests.
You need to go back and re-read that. I also said you guys weren't as rude as the Highlander forums. Then I came across you for the second time. You're the exception. Smartass remarks, "you're doing it wrong" gigantic image. Listing "common sense" three times.
The "HUGE" list of models has credits towards everyone responsible for it. It pissed you off, but as I repeated ad naseum I was just trying to help. I came in first with a long list of requests and was told that was wrong, so to make up for it I posted a long list of request fills.
Yeah I'm the bad guy around here, thanks. I think I'll ask a mod for an account deletion them I can create a new one with 0 posts, so we can talk with no posts barrier. Right?
You really should. After awhile it might humble you. Just be sure not to go around telling everybody you used to be a high number.
Yes, I remember. The "you ain't gonna get no respect around here" bandwagon. I didn't reply angrily, I replied exactly to what people said. I didn't think they all needed me to dissect their ideas with individual quotes. Clearly that's what I do when I'm steemed, as with you.
I obviously read what they said, because I completely deleted my entire long list of requests.
You need to go back and re-read that. I also said you guys weren't as rude as the Highlander forums. Then I came across you for the second time. You're the exception. Smartass remarks, "you're doing it wrong" gigantic image. Listing "common sense" three times.
You really should. After awhile it might humble you. Just be sure not to go around telling everybody you used to be a high number.
Here's what I'm referring to which you are turning a blind eye:
I think a huge list of requests is the wrong way to get into a Community.
I said quite some times now that i will reupload evrything i ported. Also darkness 2 models are on my list. I just have a real life too like all the others here so i Do things when i want to.
Then poof, Sindel model by Crofty pops up three pages after that post.
Yeah you clearly read what people says.
You're doing it wrong image was posted for this exactly reason.
Tell me you was right now.
Here's what I'm referring to which you are turning a blind eye: Then poof, Sindel model by Crofty pops up three pages after that post.
Yeah you clearly read what people says.
You're doing it wrong image was posted for this exactly reason.
Tell me you was right now.
She was referring to the Darkness model, not Sindel. Yes I noticed, but I didn't make the correlation. The Sindel model was already removed per her request. Yet here you are still fuming about it.
Yes, I read what people say. Which reminds me.
Have a mod delete your account then.
RoxasKennedy
16-07-12, 17:24
Yes, I read what people say. Which reminds me.
Have a mod delete your account then.
Here, you can thank me later. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarcasm)
She was referring to the Darkness model, not Sindel. Yes I noticed, but I didn't make the correlation. The Sindel model was already removed per her request. Yet here you are still fuming about it.
Yes, I read what people say. Which reminds me.
Have a mod delete your account then.
You removed the model when she asked you which clearly means you didn't read what she previously said about updating the models that where down.
No you don't read.
I think =/= I will.
I think =/= I will.
I removed the bloody thing. The past is past. Drop it.
Your post number = Your ego.
I removed the bloody thing. The past is past. Drop it.
Your post number = Your ego.
Look who's attacking who now... lost arguments?
So much for all that education you talked about...
:(
RoxasKennedy
16-07-12, 17:30
Your post number = Your ego.
Okay, this is where I drop in to say something. The post number has NOTHING to do with some kind of priviledge. It's just a stupid number, a statistic, just like a video view number on YouTube, like a page view number on dA. It means nothing. It's. Just. A. Statistic.
If you think that a post number actually means the user has some priviledge, then you are a dumbass.
BlondeSteve92
16-07-12, 17:33
Yes, I remember. The "you ain't gonna make no friends around here" bandwagon. I didn't reply angrily, I replied exactly to what people said. I didn't think they all needed me to dissect their ideas with individual quotes. Clearly that's what I do when I'm steemed, as with you.
I obviously read what they said, because I completely deleted my entire long list of requests.
You need to go back and re-read that. I also said you guys weren't as rude as the Highlander forums. Then I came across you for the second time. You're the exception. Smartass remarks, "you're doing it wrong" gigantic image. Listing "common sense" three times.
The "HUGE" list of models has credits towards everyone responsible for it. It pissed you off, but as I repeated ad naseum I was just trying to help. I came in first with a long list of requests and was told that was wrong, so to make up for it I posted a long list of request fills.
You really should. After awhile it might humble you. Just be sure not to go around telling everybody you used to be a high number.
Dude just stop with the attitude, I have no idea what it is with you and your obsession on post counts. It means nothing!
We all saw the posts, both of you had bad attitude. Enough already, we don't need your smart remarks and Rexil we don't need you to do anything stupid. Chill out dude.
Or atleast take it to PM.
o0Crofty0o
16-07-12, 17:34
:pi:
Okay, this is where I drop in to say something. The post number has NOTHING to do with some kind of priviledge. It's just a stupid number, a statistic, just like a video view number on YouTube, like a page view number on dA. It means nothing. It's. Just. A. Statistic.
If you think that a post number actually means the user has some priviledge, then you are a dumbass.
I don't think you are related to this in any way, seriously.
Can you both...maybe just stop it and ignore each other? This whole thing kinda escalated just because i said sth >_<
Look who's attacking who now... lost arguments?
So much for all that education you talked about...
:(
Bachelors in Law. This is how I know that all your arguments against credit didn't have to be followed. (even though I gave credit but you were being irrational)
Okay, this is where I drop in to say something. The post number has NOTHING to do with some kind of priviledge. It's just a stupid number, a statistic, just like a video view number on YouTube, like a page view number on dA. It means nothing. It's. Just. A. Statistic.
If you think that a post number actually means the user has some priviledge, then you are a dumbass.
If you had noticed, you'd see that I'm accusing of post number ego, not post number privilege. Drop by the requests forum and see the quotes I have from her that she purposefully removed. She came on believing that she had the right to order me around. I don't believe post number has anything to do with privilege, but there are people who strut about on forums acting like they have that kind of privilege because of it.
Your post number = your ego referred to her, not to you or anyone else.
Dude just stop with the attitude, I have no idea what it is with you and your obsession on post counts. It means nothing!
Read above, and my attitude is in response to attitude. I return attitude with attitude.
This is the human condition. I happen to be one of them.
king.neko212
16-07-12, 17:38
:pi:
I don't think you are related to this in any way, seriously.
Can you both...maybe just stop it and ignore each other? This whole thing kinda escalated just because i said sth >_<
even though i'm not related , he needs to stop his ghetto ass attitude , this place was quite before coming with his ghetto ass attitude . just let that attitude go away then they can ignore each other easily
even though i'm not related , he needs to stop his ghetto ass attitude , this place was quite before coming with his ghetto ass attitude . just let that attitude go away then they can ignore each other easily
MY ghetto ass attitude? Right. :rolleyes:
LOL. So you come out of nowhere start uploading things you did nothing and we are the wrongs? riiiiiiight.
You are just a lazy ass who can't even take the time to search and show little respect to the people who put effort on those ports.
Every community has their own rules, there's no need for moderators to come here and hold your hand and explain basic community rules.
That's why EVERYONE told you to get to know the community first and don't be an ass.
I see no respect in your attitude. DRAMA!!!!!!!!!1111111111111111
Bachelors in Law. This is how I know that all your arguments against credit didn't have to be followed. (even though I gave credit but you were being irrational)
If you had noticed, you'd see that I'm accusing of post number ego, not post number privilege. Drop by the requests forum and see the quotes I have from her that she purposefully removed. She came on believing that she had the right to order me around. I don't believe post number has anything to do with privilege, but there are people who strut about on forums acting like they have that kind of privilege because of it.
Read above, and my attitude is in response to attitude. I return attitude with attitude.
This is the human condition. I happen to be one of them.
I don't remember referring anywhere to post count care to point it out? Please?
You gave credit and edited things after what I first said to you. Which proves my whole point, you don't read what anyone says.
:pi:
I don't think you are related to this in any way, seriously.
Can you both...maybe just stop it and ignore each other? This whole thing kinda escalated just because i said sth >_<
I just took it as example to prove my point it has nothing to to with you, it could have been anyone else saying that.
RoxasKennedy
16-07-12, 17:43
If you had noticed, you'd see that I'm accusing of post number ego, not post number privilege.If you had noticed, you'd see that I'm accusing of post number ego, not post number privilege.
I might've said it different, but it applies to both.
If you had noticed, you'd see that I'm accusing of post number ego, not post number privilege. Drop by the requests forum and see the quotes I have from her that she purposefully removed. She came on believing that she had the right to order me around.
Uhm, no she didn't. You're pulling stuff out of your ass.
She said; I will reupload my models with better quality, just wait a bit.
You read; Nothing
You then; Reuploaded a model of hers
She said; Plz take it down, I removed my models for a reason, I will reupload them IN BETTER QUALITY, SO YOU WON'T NEED THESE IN LOWER QUALITY.
You THEN said; Ok.
I don't believe post number has anything to do with privilege, but there are people who strut about on forums acting like they have that kind of privilege because of it.
Those are maybe different forums and users you encountered. I recall no one having a giant ego because he posted 10K posts or something. Those people might be in General Chat, but not in XNALara board.
BlondeSteve92
16-07-12, 17:43
Read above, and my attitude is in response to attitude. I return attitude with attitude.
This is the human condition. I happen to be one of them.
Most people I know just take the high road and don't lower themselves to have bad attitude. If you want people to get to know you, this isn't the way to do it. New users and old users might assume you just have bad attitude overall, just chill, replying to attitude with attitude isn't a bright thing to do.
Just stop with the drama people! lol
o0Crofty0o
16-07-12, 17:46
I just took it as example to prove my point it has nothing to to with you, it could have been anyone else saying that.
Okay then^^
But seriously :pi:
Let rexil and Giichil discuss that out alone. It's fairly their business and the less people get into this, the faster it'll get sorted ffs.
king.neko212
16-07-12, 17:48
Most people I know just take the high road and don't lower themselves to have bad attitude. If you want people to get to know you, this isn't the way to do it. New users and old users might assume you just have bad attitude overall, just chill, replying to attitude with attitude isn't a bright thing to do.
Just stop with the drama people! lol
i remember when you said there's no drama then BAAMM!!! :vlol::vlol::vlol:
You're pulling stuff out of your ass.
Look, it's clear you two are friends and you're taking this personally. I find this jumping to someone's defense without a clear view of the matter extremely annoying.
1- This is the wrong thread to post models.
2- Some models are down because the porters took them down to fix upgrade them (respect that, people puts time and effort on porting ****)
3- If you don't know who ported what use the recap thread, there you can find out who did what.
4- There's a reason models you find only in DA aren't posted here, respect that.
5- Don't re-post something you didn't work on yourself (unless the original porter said you can or maybe he might not have it anymore).
6- Get to know the community first instead of starting all wrong.
7- Respect people who puts effort and time on bringing the models to XNALara.
8- Common sense.
9- Common sense.
10- Common sense.
...Exactly this is a request thread not a release thread.
Keep the forum clean and organized.
Do your homework and try finding who ported those models (a quick look into the recap tells me that sn00p ported them)
That's why I told you to go to the recap thread, don't come with lazy excuses.
No, common sense is what you are lacking.
Those are maybe different forums and users you encountered. I recall no one having a giant ego because he posted 10K posts or something. Those people might be in General Chat, but not in XNALara board.
They're here right under your nose.
Most people I know just take the high road and don't lower themselves to have bad attitude. If you want people to get to know you, this isn't the way to do it. New users and old users might assume you just have bad attitude overall, just chill, replying to attitude with attitude isn't a bright thing to do.
I'm not those most people you're referring to. I have a good attitude towards those that show me a good attitude, and a bad one towards bad attitude. You can choose to go against me on that side of the fence about it, but it's not going to change anything. I won't give respect for someone giving disrespect. That doesn't even make sense.
Look, it's clear you two are friends and you're taking this personally. I find this jumping to someone's defense without a clear view of the matter extremely annoying.
They're here right under your nose.
I'm not those most people you're referring to. I have a good attitude towards those that show me a good attitude, and a bad one towards bad attitude. You can choose to go against me on that side of the fence about it, but it's not going to change anything. I won't give respect for someone giving disrespect. That doesn't even make sense.
You did wrong, posted things people asked for you to not post.
You deserved the list.
Deal with it.
:gki:
i remember when you said there's no drama then BAAMM!!! :vlol::vlol::vlol:
TRF isn't TRF without drama.
RoxasKennedy
16-07-12, 17:55
Look, it's clear you two are friends and you're taking this personally. I find this jumping to someone's defense without a clear view of the matter extremely annoying.
Oooh, using the "friends" arguement now, aren't we? Because it's sooooo true. I'm nut adding two cents to the arguement, no sir, it's because we're BFFs!!1
...
BTW:
*beep*
"This is RoxasKennedy's secretary, if you;
-Want to continue arguing over some useless ****;
-Are feeling ootie in the bootie (may vary)
Then please leave him the message in PM or VM, because he obviously is doing much more useful stuff other than arguing over some internet stuff almost no one cares about.
ktnxby"
I don't remember referring anywhere to post count care to point it out? Please?
Giving orders like you're someone's boss implies your ego.
You gave credit and edited things after what I first said to you. Which proves my whole point, you don't read what anyone says.
It actually proves that I listened to what was said, or I wouldn't have edited anything at all.
You did wrong, posted things people asked for you to not post.
You deserved the list.
Deal with it.
:gki:
Glad to be on it. Wouldn't want to be on your friends list.
TRF isn't TRF without drama.
And you wouldn't be you without inciting it.
Now take it to PM or drop it. If you continue this, I'll continue it.
And Roxas, you make little to no sense. Friends is the obvious factor here. "Pulling stuff out of my ass" comments. And if you took the time to read, you'd realize I just quoted her giving me the orders that I supposedly "pulled out of my ass".
She came on believing that she had the right to order me around.
Uhm, no she didn't. You're pulling stuff out of your ass.
http://www.tombraiderforums.com/showpost.php?p=6328544&postcount=133
Giving orders like you're someone's boss implies your ego.
It actually proves that I listened to what was said, or I wouldn't have edited anything at all.
Glad to be on it. Wouldn't want to be on your friends list.
And you wouldn't be you without inciting it.
Now take it to PM or drop it. If you continue this, I'll continue it.
And Roxas, you make little to no sense. Friends is the obvious factor here. "Pulling stuff out of my ass" comments. And if you took the time to read, you'd realize I just quoted her giving me the orders that I supposedly "pulled out of my ass".
Love you too.
It was a pleasure.
Love you too.
It was a pleasure.
Trolling often is.
Uhm, okay, thanks guys for your replies. I'll read all of them and try to make a sort of 'list' with XNA community rules. I'll post that later so we can discuss them. If everyone agrees, I could ask Jackles to add them to the first post. I hope that can clear some things up for new members...
Edit:
I mean Mytly, sorry. :p
Please note that the following rule has been removed from the official rules for XNALara:
But images/renders in which Lara is naked are allowed, as long as she is covered in some way (for example, with her hands or hidden behind furniture) in such a way that does not expose any more skin than a bikini would. Please note that this applies to images only, and not downloadable models!
This means that any image in which a character is naked or showing more skin that the Legend bikini is not allowed, even if the naughty bits are censored or hidden in some way.
As for the community rules that Love2Raid posted a few pages ago, I'm discussing them with her via PM. :)
karadaniano
19-07-12, 13:35
Please note that the following rule has been removed from the official rules for XNALara:
This means that any image in which a character is naked or showing more skin that the Legend bikini is not allowed, even if the naughty bits are censored or hidden in some way.
As for the community rules that Love2Raid posted a few pages ago, I'm discussing them with her via PM. :)
this is ridiculous,
are we on a Jehovah's witnesses forum?
this is ridiculous,
are we on a Jehovah's witnesses forum?
I guess myself if even youtube has such stupid rules. There're tutorials where someone shows you how to model and texture a naked female body and nobody is flagging it as porn. Here We can't even post a model which art and renders can be found everywhere in the net because it shows "more" ass than a model used as a pattern. it's not ridiculous this situation, It's simply retarded.
Soon there will be a rule that wont let us post a character that shows more than the eyeballs, who creates this rules ? the rules should be created from a poll
o0Crofty0o
19-07-12, 15:13
So i have a model of Lara wearing a t-shirt and a thing and i can't post a hair closeup of her?
Wow. I'll send my kids to TRF instead of kindergarten. This place is obviously way less dangerous than anything else.
So i have a model of Lara wearing a t-shirt and a thing and i can't post a hair closeup of her?
Wow. I'll send my kids to TRF instead of kindergarten. This place is obviously way less dangerous than anything else.
It's more "safe" than a kindergarten (they have Barbies there they can undress)...it's getting more like a convent http://www.en.kolobok.us/smiles/artists/just_cuz/JC_nun.gif
BlondeSteve92
19-07-12, 15:50
I have to agree with everyone, it's becoming very strict on what is allowed to be posted here when it comes to clothes. Are we measuring by cm's now? Why did the rule change now all of the sudden, nothing was wrong with the last rule! Oh dear.
Wait! I'll remove all my conversions now. They all have clothes which are hiding the forbidden bits.
Please give me time I don't want to be banned again ._.
I never understood why a "naked model" that isn't showing any correct anatomic features is prohibited,it's like a naked Barbie doll that even very young girls undress all the time :confused: Models are just "3D dolls", but oh well...
I understand about naked detailed models.. but what if clothes cover the most important parts? I'll write here what I already asked to mods: Are people afraid to see some skin? Oh they're are so right. Skin is scary! Damn it, I won't be able to sleep tonight.
RoxasKennedy
19-07-12, 16:48
I see they made new rules.
So expect in near future when I release models that I'll cover the skin texture in black, so there is no skin to show whatsoever.
:rolleyes:
BlondeSteve92
19-07-12, 16:49
What actually is the reason behind the nude/bikini rule anyway? I mean why are models like Ivy from SC banned? They don't show detailed breasts like the nipples or the vagina. Since when do developers even add those parts in on most models?
None of us post pornographic pictures or models anyway, so this sudden rule change is just strange. So my serious question why are models who are "exposed" banned? They aren't nude so I can't wrap my head around why it's in place anyway. If a model is in a thong then it's banned, but it hides the vagina from view. So it's not nude. :)
:confused::confused:
What actually is the reason behind the nude/bikini rule anyway? I mean why are models like Ivy from SC banned? They don't show detailed breasts like the nipples or the vagina. Since when do developers even add those parts in on most models?
None of us post pornographic pictures or models anyway, so this sudden rule change is just strange. So my serious question why are models who are "exposed" banned? They aren't nude so I can't wrap my head around why it's in place anyway. If a model is in a thong then it's banned, but it hides the vagina from view. So it's not nude. :)
:confused::confused:
I honestly can't understand that neither and I think it's actually stupid. They should make a tour on DA and see all the porn people are making with the models. And most of them are/were fully clothed.
BlondeSteve92
19-07-12, 18:14
I honestly can't understand that neither and I think it's actually stupid. They should make a tour on DA and see all the porn people are making with the models. And most of them are/were fully clothed.
People aren't going to go round and say "oh TRF is now doing porn models" Cus that would be stupid. People can do as they wish when they download the model, not like they are going to post it here they have sites made for those reasons.
Fact is, these models aren't porn models, Banned Ivy from SC, the game is rated what, Age 12 and over? The media reviewing board wouldn't of gave that game a low age score if it was a porn model so why is it banned here? Her underwear is too thin? You can see her bum cheeks, which is the most common type of nudity in the media world that even TV shows show it before 9pm when swearing and all that is allowed to be shown.
Besides, am I the only one who remembers all those nude Lara promo pictures that was OFFICIAL from the company? It just seems that models are treated unfairly because they show a tad more naked flesh than what Lara wears in her latest games.
o0Crofty0o
19-07-12, 18:22
Well i personally think they should just use the same common no nude rule as every other forum aswell. (Yes even the ones where people at 13 years can register)
1. No nipples
2. No female or male genitals or female and male genitals have to be covered
WEIRDLY that is totally fine in the fanart section: http://www.tombraiderforums.com/showpost.php?p=2075104&postcount=1
(look at that pics... only a nipple covered on one image and a full uncovered thong at one other. There are so many pics like that all over the other sections. I sometimes think they just want us all to go -.-)
I don't get why Legend Bikini is the guideline^^ Tomb Raider is rated PEGI 12. TERA Online is rated PEGI 12 aswell.
And damn true about that Tv stuff xD damn even in these child-series they show more skin than legend bikini sometimes
WEIRDLY that is totally fine in the fanart section: http://www.tombraiderforums.com/showpost.php?p=2075104&postcount=1
(look at that pics... only a nipple covered on one image and a full uncovered thong at one other. There are so many pics like that all over the other sections. I sometimes think they just want us all to go -.-)
Omg! O_O Had no idea, I can't believe something like that is sitting there,perfectly fine,somewhere on these utterly strict forums! Thongs and overly skimpy outfits revealing quite a lot (a dollar sign covering a breast? she's clearly nude!)...ok I just lost a big amount of respect for this whole thing. :/
By comparison.,the way the XNALara section is being hadled doesn't seem fair anymore.
So the Fan Art section dont get the same rule as us? Thats unfair. We should be treated the same as that section. I am super annoyed with the rule we have, we are the only ones that get treated like this.
RoxasKennedy
19-07-12, 19:04
While fan art section has thongs and such, you got to keep in mind that that thread Crofty linked to is 5 years old, the rules may have changed.
But I still think it ain't fair, tho.
BlondeSteve92
19-07-12, 19:05
Well i personally think they should just use the same common no nude rule as every other forum aswell. (Yes even the ones where people at 13 years can register)
1. No nipples
2. No female or male genitals or female and male genitals have to be covered
WEIRDLY that is totally fine in the fanart section: http://www.tombraiderforums.com/showpost.php?p=2075104&postcount=1
(look at that pics... only a nipple covered on one image and a full uncovered thong at one other. There are so many pics like that all over the other sections. I sometimes think they just want us all to go -.-)
I don't get why Legend Bikini is the guideline^^ Tomb Raider is rated PEGI 12. TERA Online is rated PEGI 12 aswell.
Wow I'm pretty surprised about those pictures. Really does put things in a different light now. But I agree with those basic no genital rules. They keep everything so simple. Isn't that what the whole point of the rules are meant to be? No genitals?
One way to fix this whole problem, Create threads for certain age group models. One model is now the base line for EVERY model in the world seems wrong.
Video Games Rated PEGI 18+ Model Thread
Video Games Rated PEGI 15+ Model Thread
Video Games Rated PEGI 12+ Model Thread
How simple! That way, models that have been deemed fine for a certain age group by the media reviewing boards can go in the correct age group model thread. All people will need to do is look at the front cover of the video game box or google the game info.
o0Crofty0o
19-07-12, 19:10
I know that the first post is from years ago. But the thread's last post is kinda recent. Also that user is free to link to her dA page (wich includes all the images either). We would get banned for that so i think it's rather unfair.
@ Steve
Well sorting them by rating would be kinda messy. Also it doesn't matter. TERA has more mature models than Call of Duty for eg. TERA is PEGI 12, COD PEGI 18 (i think). Like i said. The standart no nude rule would do just fine^^
BlondeSteve92
19-07-12, 19:12
I know that the first post is from years ago. But the thread's last post is kinda recent. Also that user is free to link to her dA page (wich includes all the images either). We would get banned for that so i think it's rather unfair.
@ Steve
Well sorting them by rating would be kinda messy. Also it doesn't matter. TERA has more mature models than Call of Duty for eg. TERA is PEGI 12, COD PEGI 18 (i think). Like i said. The standart no nude rule would do just fine^^
Haha yeah I actually just edited my post to say about the 2 no genital rules you said about lol And I agree 100%. That's what the whole point of the rules is meant to be right? But it's gone overboard, like alot.
People aren't going to go round and say "oh TRF is now doing porn models" Cus that would be stupid. People can do as they wish when they download the model, not like they are going to post it here they have sites made for those reasons.
Fact is, these models aren't porn models, Banned Ivy from SC, the game is rated what, Age 12 and over? The media reviewing board wouldn't of gave that game a low age score if it was a porn model so why is it banned here? Her underwear is too thin? You can see her bum cheeks, which is the most common type of nudity in the media world that even TV shows show it before 9pm when swearing and all that is allowed to be shown.
Besides, am I the only one who remembers all those nude Lara promo pictures that was OFFICIAL from the company? It just seems that models are treated unfairly because they show a tad more naked flesh than what Lara wears in her latest games.
Yes. But the fact is, they worry so much about porn when porn is not allowed here (and it's fine with me). But they can't tell us they are afraid people will make porn even with a clothed model when on sites like DA it's full of that stuff. I mean, if this is their problem we shouldn't be allowed to even share the models.
And yeah, you're right. I live in a Country where girls walk around half naked and with make up at 10 years old.
Wow I'm pretty surprised about those pictures. Really does put things in a different light now.
One way to fix this whole problem, Create threads for certain age group models. One model is now the base line for EVERY model in the world seems wrong.
Video Games Rated PEGI 18+ Model Thread
Video Games Rated PEGI 15+ Model Thread
Video Games Rated PEGI 12+ Model Thread
How simple! That way, models that have been deemed fine for a certain age group by the media reviewing boards can go in the correct age group model thread. All people will need to do is look at the front cover of the video game box or google the game info.
Uhm, I think the sections are fine the way they are. We should be able to just post whatever we feel like, keeping in mind that no nipples/vigina/full ass should be visible. But not just because they show some more skin than usual they have to be banned.
I think I still have that moderator's message... if I find it I can copy and paste here his/her reply, because I can't remember the exact words. So that you all can see moderators' true reasons.
EDIT:
Nobody is afraid of skin. The rules are the way they are for practical and legal reasons. From the practical standpoint, it's simply easier to point to the Legend bikini, an official outfit worn by Lara (this is still a Tomb Raider forum, after all), and use it as a guideline for what is acceptable and what isn't. From the legal standpoint, it makes sense to not allow what almost amounts to soft-core porn to be displayed on this forum, which is open to minors (this is a general description of the ways in which some people break the rules - it doesn't apply to your outfit). So the moderation team has come up with strict guidelines, and we try to enforce them constantly, or otherwise the XNALara devolves into an uncontrollable mess.
In the future, if you're not sure about something, PM me or any other moderator and ask before posting, rather than asking other members in public.
It's like giving a gun to a child and then be afraid he could become an assassin. Give a fully covered model, they will make porn and gore with it anyway, so it doesn't make any sense to me.
What actually is the reason behind the nude/bikini rule anyway? I mean why are models like Ivy from SC banned? They don't show detailed breasts like the nipples or the vagina. Since when do developers even add those parts in on most models?
None of us post pornographic pictures or models anyway, so this sudden rule change is just strange. So my serious question why are models who are "exposed" banned? They aren't nude so I can't wrap my head around why it's in place anyway. If a model is in a thong then it's banned, but it hides the vagina from view. So it's not nude. :)
:confused::confused:
Perhaps because the Pan European Game Information system - PEGI (http://www.pegi.info/de/index/) http://www.pegi.info/de/index/id/54/media/img/322.gif
PEGI finally set to become the sole UK game rating system Current hybrid system also featuring BBFC classifications to be abolished this summer
Jo Twist, CEO of games industry trade body UKIE, said: "We are also in the planning stages of a major awareness campaign to help the public understand the system and other aspects of responsible gaming as soon as PEGI become law in the UK."
Richard Wilson, CEO of industry trade association TIGA, also said: "The fact there are criminal sanctions in place will mean that retailers will want to train and support their staff."
"The Government has taken a major step to improve child safety, online and offline, in the video games sector," said Baroness Shepherd, president of the VSC (Video Standards Council). "PEGI (Pan European Game Information system) is a robust, independent games rating system used widely throughout Europe and beyond.
"VSC is the leading PEGI authority, rating all videogames aged 12 and above in 30 countries. By making PEGI legally enforceable in the UK, the Government has shown that it is determined to protect children, help parents make informed decisions and deliver consistency in games rating.
This decision is the right one for everybody in the forum.
If at any time due to new developments or changed situations the TRF staff believes that the Rules for XNALara criteria and age ratings do not adequately reflect TRF and UK sensitivities it will take such steps as are required to change the criteria to accommodate any such new development or changed situation. :cln:
o0Crofty0o
20-07-12, 07:24
I also don't understand why photography is handled less strict than Darwins, models etc: http://www.tombraiderforums.com/showthread.php?t=181343
Look at 5). Its senseless.
This decision is the right one for everybody in the forum.
If at any time due to new developments or changed situations the TRF staff believes that the Rules for XNALara criteria and age ratings do not adequately reflect TRF and UK sensitivities it will take such steps as are required to change the criteria to accommodate any such new development or changed situation. :cln:
It's still nonsense for me. I understand what you mean, but we live in a world where children already look at porn and watch the tv and as Crofty said, tv is full of breasts, asses and whatnot.
I'm not saying we have to post full nudes and bloody gore, but still.. a little more skin won't kill anyone. NOT NUDITY, just skin.
I switch to "off topic" ==> http://www.tombraiderforums.com/showpost.php?p=6334628&postcount=8689 , and yes: I has the same opinion like you.
Why off topic? We're talking about rules. We are in the rules section.. :confused:
o0Crofty0o
20-07-12, 12:45
Indeed.
Oh Well and besides that i think the new "tomb raider" is way more mature than any thong or sth. Is gore and senseless injuries more tolerated here than a few parts of skin? Damn theres even a rape attempt in that game -_- Elements that have been posted here. Thatz a sexual thing, a really bad one, but sure itz tolerated.
Indeed.
Oh Well and besides that i think the new "tomb raider" is way more mature than any thong or sth. Is gore and senseless injuries more tolerated here than a few parts of skin? Damn theres even a rape attempt in that game -_- Elements that have been posted here. Thatz a sexual thing, a really bad one, but sure itz tolerated.
This.
Ward Dragon
22-07-12, 22:37
I noticed people brought up that the Fan Art section has more lenient rules so I wanted to explain that.
People generally spend a lot of time on each Fan Art and don't post new images that frequently so it's much easier to moderate on a case-by-case basis, and we've definitely removed some Fan Art in the past for being too provocative.
On the other hand, with XNA a lot of people can post tons of images in a relatively short amount of time so there's much more potential for this section to go overboard and get flooded with images that break the rules. That's why it makes sense to have stricter rules for XNA compared to the rest of the forum, to make sure that people don't push the limits and post a lot of images that violate the T&C before moderators can react to it.
I noticed people brought up that the Fan Art section has more lenient rules so I wanted to explain that.
People generally spend a lot of time on each Fan Art and don't post new images that frequently so it's much easier to moderate on a case-by-case basis, and we've definitely removed some Fan Art in the past for being too provocative.
On the other hand, with XNA a lot of people can post tons of images in a relatively short amount of time so there's much more potential for this section to go overboard and get flooded with images that break the rules. That's why it makes sense to have stricter rules for XNA compared to the rest of the forum, to make sure that people don't push the limits and post a lot of images that violate the T&C before moderators can react to it.
I don't quite get it, you are saying moderators don't have enough time to moderate our section but that fan art Crofty linked is from 30-08-07, 20:02, well 5 years is quite a lot of time for something to not be moderated.
And that still doesn't explain why our section rules got even more strict now.
I mean we can't even post images with covered models anymore, and we where covering pretty well the ones that we posted and were against the rules. At least I never saw someone using dollar tags to cover nipples.
Don't the moderation think you guys have gone to far now? Seriously?
Ward Dragon
22-07-12, 23:32
I don't quite get it, you are saying moderators don't have enough time to moderate our section but that fan art Crofty linked is from 30-08-07, 20:02, well 5 years is quite a lot of time for something to not be moderated.
And that still doesn't explain why our section rules got even more strict now.
I mean we can't even post images with covered models anymore, and we where covering pretty well the ones that we posted and were against the rules. At least I never saw someone using dollar tags to cover nipples.
Don't the moderation think you guys have gone to far now? Seriously?
The XNA section originally had the same rules as the rest of the forum but people kept posting nude models and pushing the limits. Too much XNA material gets posted too quickly for us to go through and catch things like that. That's why the XNA section has stricter rules, so that there's no question about what isn't allowed. That way people are much less likely to post things that break the T&C.
BlondeSteve92
22-07-12, 23:37
I noticed people brought up that the Fan Art section has more lenient rules so I wanted to explain that.
People generally spend a lot of time on each Fan Art and don't post new images that frequently so it's much easier to moderate on a case-by-case basis, and we've definitely removed some Fan Art in the past for being too provocative.
On the other hand, with XNA a lot of people can post tons of images in a relatively short amount of time so there's much more potential for this section to go overboard and get flooded with images that break the rules. That's why it makes sense to have stricter rules for XNA compared to the rest of the forum, to make sure that people don't push the limits and post a lot of images that violate the T&C before moderators can react to it.
That's not very fair on this section, treating and giving stricter rules here than the rest of the forums. I mean, how can you say that makes sense. Every part of this website should be treated the same regardless of how many users post stuff. It doesn't make sense, not at all. It's not fair.
Besides this place doesn't get flooded with pictures. I should know, I'm here pretty much everyday once I finish work. No one who knows this place posts nude/or pictures that goes against the rules. And when a user does, we pretty much all say that isn't allowed here, remove it.
We followed the rules, don't post pictures with naked breast or genitals, they was covered all the time. And then suddenly, even if there is a big pillow covered naked flesh, that's a big no now regarding the new rule. So tiny dollar signs covering a woman's nipple is allowed but anything that has something that actually covers a female models breast in the xnalara section isn't allowed.
It doesn't make sense.
king.neko212
22-07-12, 23:43
That's not very fair on this section, treating and giving stricter rules here than the rest of the forums. I mean, how can you say that makes sense. Every part of this website should be treated the same regardless of how many users post stuff. It doesn't make sense, not at all. It's not fair.
Besides this place doesn't get flooded with pictures. I should know, I'm here pretty much everyday once I finish work. No one who knows this place posts nude/or pictures that goes against the rules. And when a user does, we pretty much all say that isn't allowed here, remove it.
We followed the rules, don't post pictures with naked breast or genitals, they was covered all the time. And then suddenly, even if there is a big pillow covered naked flesh, that's a big no now regarding the new rule. So tiny dollar signs covering a woman's nipple is allowed but anything that has something that actually covers a female models breast in the xnalara section isn't allowed.
It doesn't make sense.
mods are focusing on this section of the forum because it takes most of the attention , they don't want to think that this place is dirty , even though people like it and sometimes they never come back . but let's go back to the point , what if a new member decided to go outside this place and saw the dollarsign nipples what will they think.
btw what's the new rule here ya'll talking about
Ward Dragon
22-07-12, 23:49
That's not very fair on this section, treating and giving stricter rules here than the rest of the forums. I mean, how can you say that makes sense. Every part of this website should be treated the same regardless of how many users post stuff. It doesn't make sense, not at all. It's not fair.
It's because the vast majority of nudity issues come from the XNA section. It's very rare for such issues to come up in Fan Art, but pretty much every day we have to go through a lot of XNA issues with complaints over what's offered for download, whether images comply with the rules, etc. If XNA had the same rules as Fan Art, then we'd go back to the beginning when people offered nude models for download and posted extremely suggestive renders all the time. The current rules are working for the most part to discourage people from posting nudity or offering nude mods for download.
From my perspective,people haven't really "kept posting nude models"...a model with a little deeper cleavage or a thong can't be considered "nude",we keep getting these mixed up when it's not a fair comparison (I don't go to the beach nude cause I'm wearing a thong)
Too much content so no time for moderation? To be honest,I actually had a feeling the xna part of the forums is the most actively-moderated section...every "prohibited" picture removed,gifs over 500kb removed (even slightliest over that),moderators are always there to intervene when there's a fight,or a bad word or a censorship circumvention...etc. On other sections things like those sometimes sinked undetected,from what I've seen.
king.neko212
22-07-12, 23:52
From my perspective,people haven't really "kept posting nude models"...a model with a little deeper cleavage or a thong can't be considered "nude",we keep getting these mixed up when it's not fair (I don't go to the beach nude cause I'm wearing a thong)
Too much content so no time for moderation? To be honest,I actually had a feeling the xna part of the forums is the most actively-moderated section...every "prohibited" picture removed,gifs over 500kb removed (even slightliest over that),moderators are always there to intervene when there's a fight,or a bad word or a censorship circumvention...etc. On other sections things like those sometimes sinked undetected,from what I've seen.
I agree 100%
Ward Dragon
22-07-12, 23:52
From my perspective,people haven't really "kept posting nude models"...a model with a little deeper cleavage or a thong can't be considered "nude",we keep getting these mixed up when it's not fair (I don't go to the beach nude cause I'm wearing a thong)
I did mean nude. I remember quite a few instances before the rules got strict, for example someone posted a totally naked Assassin's Creed character. It hasn't happened that often recently because the stricter rules are working.
king.neko212
22-07-12, 23:54
I did mean nude. I remember quite a few instances before the rules got strict, for example someone posted a totally naked Assassin's Creed character. It hasn't happened that often recently because the stricter rules are working.
but that rule shouldn't work on other models , plus it's a 3D thing it has no skin,hair or blood just some diffuses and textures , and it's not like we don't see this kind of things on daily basis .
I did mean nude. I remember quite a few instances before the rules got strict, for example someone posted a totally naked Assassin's Creed character. It hasn't happened that often recently because the stricter rules are working.
That was probably before I discovered the forums...
But I was here when the rules from this particular thread were created (28-01-11) with the whole Lara swimsuit base. All thanks to the Ivy Valentine model showing "too much skin" on a certain area,when before that, all we knew was the "no nude models" (unwritten) rule,and it worked without a problem as I don't recall any nude model being posted in that time.
Ward Dragon
23-07-12, 00:11
but that rule shouldn't work on other models , plus it's a 3D thing it has no skin,hair or blood just some diffuses and textures , and it's not like we don't see this kind of things on daily basis .
I haven't got a problem with it personally, but it's a legal issue. TRF can't allow nudity because the forum is aimed at a 13+ age range.
That was probably before I discovered the forums...
But I was here when the rules from this particular thread were created (28-01-11) with the whole Lara swimsuit base. All thanks to the Ivy Valentine model showing "too much skin" on a certain area,when before that, all we knew was the "no nude models" (unwritten) rule,and it worked without a problem as I don't recall any nude model being posted in that time.
The swimsuit rule is back from Texmod with actual in-game mods for Legend, Anniversary and Underworld. It was meant to apply to XNA as well but a lot of people ignored it. That's why a new thread got made to specifically address the rules.
You know... we all keep complaining "hey too strict" or "it's unfair". Bottom line... this is the TOMB RAIDER FORUMS, not the XNALARA FORUMS. Their rules... not yours or mine or anyone else. Theirs.
If they say "that's not allowed" then suck it up and accept that THAT is not allowed. Want to make our own rules? Then make our own forum. Simple as that.
BlondeSteve92
23-07-12, 00:21
I haven't got a problem with it personally, but it's a legal issue. TRF can't allow nudity because the forum is aimed at a 13+ age range.
But we haven't had nude models in a very long time, I don't think anyone is stupid enough to even post that stuff lol :p and any model that is put up for download always have their breasts and genitals covered. It's just the new updated rule about the whole thing this past week by Mytly which is abit too extreme.
Morrigan from Marvel vs Capcom 3 was recently taken down after this new, alot more strict rule. She wasn't even close to being nude or showing too much.
This is why we have all been talking about the rules. This updated rule which is very strict, it's made the rule we all know, that we all follow suddenly change and it's kinda like "wth? why has it suddenly changed this week."
But oh well. I'm tired I'm going to bed lol
Well, I personally can't remember that people posted a lot of nude things before the rules. There were some things, of course, but not that much. :confused:
Not enough to justify that the rules here are more strict than in the fanart section or in the videogames section or anywhere else. I know that this part of the forum has a lot of traffic, but that also means that there are more active members than in the fanart section, for example. Inappropriate images could be hidden over there for hours before someone would notice it and report it, while it would be noticed in a matter of minutes here. We have XNA users from many places in the world, I think there's always at least one person online who could report something. So I think this section is pretty safe, actually. :p
I think it's good that nude models are forbidden here, because full nudity is not allowed in other parts of the forum as well (thankfully). But it would be nice to have the same rules everywhere, it would be more fair. So like Crofty said a while back, if it's okay to post images of Lara wearing a thong (for example :o) in the fanart section, why not here?
The swimsuit rule is back from Texmod with actual in-game mods for Legend, Anniversary and Underworld. It was meant to apply to XNA as well but a lot of people ignored it. That's why a new thread got made to specifically address the rules.
I understand that...what I don't understand though is why the Lara swimsuit base? I know it's a TR forums but as you said ,it's also a 13+ forums...and just because Lara shows how much she shows doesn't mean that's the standard for the game's rating as there are many other games rated 12+ showing more. Lara's swimsuit is how it is because that's how the creator decided based on Lara's character and personality. ("that's what Lara would wear") Take Street Fighter or Marvel vs Capcom though,lots of characters are prohibited here when the game is rated 12.Those that put the rating obviously saw the thongs or whatever and considered those acceptable for that rating.
It would make much more sense if it would've been just Lara not being allowed to show more because it was probably intended to show only "that much".
king.neko212
23-07-12, 00:48
can someone please explain why did they rules change and because of who ??
You know... we all keep complaining "hey too strict" or "it's unfair". Bottom line... this is the TOMB RAIDER FORUMS, not the XNALARA FORUMS. Their rules... not yours or mine or anyone else. Theirs.
If they say "that's not allowed" then suck it up and accept that THAT is not allowed. Want to make our own rules? Then make our own forum. Simple as that.
That's not how a serious public forum should work. Rules should be made by the admins and moderators they must always have the final word but always with their users in mind.
I'm totally fine with the no nudity rules, no problem there. But now we can't even post images of models with "nude" parts hidden? Seriously? That's the same as saying don't post a fully clothed model, cause if you think about it, it's nude parts are covered too.
I would be thankful if a mod could explain what's the problem with pictures that has the forbidden parts hidden. It's is not against the site rules, which should have a heavier weight over any decision and there's nothing about nudity other than the 13 years old needed to be able to use the forums.
Terms & Conditions Of Use are the rules I have to follow, those were the ones I have read and accepted the day I have signed up. It shouldn't matter where I am in this forum cause it stills the tombraiderforums if I where to go to the legal part of the things what is happening now is discrimination IMO.
Truth is XNALara part of the forum generates a huge amount of traffic, I believe it could be the part of the forum that's generate the most traffic.
And that traffic also supports the forum doesn't it? It would be a shame to have people quitting the forums because of to strict senseless rules like the ones changed recently, not threatening or anything (I'm just one guy) just wanted to give some food for thought.
can someone please explain why did they rules change and because of who ??
I believe I had part on it (sorry guys) xD
Well I won't post the PM here cause it's well a private message.
But I didn't agree with a mod that told me to not post images of my conversions like the ones from Queens Blade (does anyone remember? they where fully hidden the forbidden bits right) so I argued that those images where conforming with the rules and I would stop posting them or remove them cause I was under the rules. And they told me that I shouldn't post them cause some people knew my blog address.
I know it sounds ridiculous right? By that definition you can't post anything that links to outside sources, like, google. omg you can find nude things in google too, imagine the horror.
Well yea.
king.neko212
23-07-12, 01:23
I believe I had part on it (sorry guys) xD
Well I won't post the PM here cause it's well a private message.
But I didn't agree with a mod that told me to not post images of my conversions like the ones from Queens Blade (does anyone remember? they where fully hidden the forbidden bits right) so I argued that those images where conforming with the rules and I would stop posting them or remove them cause I was under the rules. And they told me that I shouldn't post them cause some people knew my blog address.
I know it sounds ridiculous right? By that definition you can't post anything that links to outside sources, like, google. omg you can find nude things in google too, imagine the horror.
Well yea.
well you did nothing wrong . it's not your fault but seriously the rules are the rules why did they change it , i feel like somebody have reported you or something because this kind of stuff doesn't happen normally , or simply the mods hate you and want you to get a perma ban so they changed the rules .
Ok lemme try to put this as simple as possible. For all the reasoning and requesting for explanations IT DOESN'T MATTER how much we will all complain about being butthurt (and if someone took down the link to what I worked so hard to make look good, I would be a hell of a lot more than butthurt)... simple fact is, we want the rules to be more accomodating/palatable/all-around make us sunshine and sparkle, then make our own xnalara forum separate from this forum (no offense intended to the mods, I don't envy your thankless jobs). I'd join and shamelessly promote that in a heartbeat.
Dennis's Mom
23-07-12, 23:08
At the risk of offending everyone, let me be plain about this.
This forum has more strict rules because the judgment of the members who post things in this forum is severely lacking.
On any given day, there's an image reported from this forum that some poor mod has to post in the moderation forum so we call all take a look and see if it violates the posted limits.
Seriously, people? You've got to push the limits to wafer-thin edges? What's wrong with erring on the "surely in compliance side" so no one has to report images?
I've been a mod at least two years. You know how many images I remember seeing reported from the Fan Art section? None.
You think fan artists don't draw images that don't comply with TRF rules? Well, they do; they just have the good sense to not post them here.
You see, they understand this is not their party. They understand this is not a democracy. This is Justin's party. It's his house.
Therefore, you play according to his rules, or you don't play in his house.
IMO, you should be grateful that Justin is throwing this party and letting you attend, not pissing and moaning because Justin won't let you dance on his furniture or spray paint the walls just because you think it's fun, and gosh, you let people do that at your house.
One would think you had paid an admission fee to post here. http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y97/LisaB1138/smilies/13.gif
The rules are not hard to follow for those with an interest in doing so. The fact they are constantly amended is because some people insist on posting work that any sensible person would know was not in compliance in spirit, but hey, it wasn't explicitly forbidden so why not try to get away with it? http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y97/LisaB1138/smilies/54.gif
*sigh* And so the rules become more specific, not necessarily stricter, and some have stated. I think the mods are all in agreement and understand what constitutes compliance. My idea of an acceptable image has not changed in two years.
But somehow we keep having to come back here and adding stuff to the rules, and it's not anything that wasn't in my original idea of acceptable. It's all stuff people determined to skirt the rules have come up with that I, in my interest to be respectful of Justin's house, would never have considered posting and therefore never considered necessary to put in the rules.
So there you have it. I'm sure if the Fan Art section were as interested in pushing the limits as this forum, you would see similar rules upgrades. At this time, no additional rules are necessary for that section.
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I've been a mod at least two years. You know how many images I remember seeing reported from the Fan Art section? None.
Crofty post pointing fan art thread makes this argument invalid, also a lot more people visit this forum so it's surely will be more reports than any other part of the forum.
Still doesn't explain why pictures with covered parts aren't allowed anymore.
o0Crofty0o
23-07-12, 23:23
Crofty post pointing fan art thread makes this argument invalid, also a lot more people visit this forum so it's surely will be more reports than any other part of the forum.
Still doesn't explain why pictures with covered parts aren't allowed anymore.
This.
And imo all this discussion is nothing about disrespect. We only want to understand WHY. The explanation that this forum is visited more, well thanks for making us suffer that we are quite popular around here.
I don't get the covered image thing. It came out of nowhere. No explanation WHY.
Besides that i haven't seen any picture that breaks the rules around here for ages. Same for models. They're simply not posted here because we agreed to the old rule. And as a ''thanks'' for accepting a rule that isn't for all sections we get a even stricter one. Something's wrong about that imo.
I strongly hope in my half ignorance I won't offend anyone with what I'm gonna say...but as far as I know Justin (?) has a benefit from us attending his party...otherwise I don't know why else would I see those ads on the top of my page. The only thing we gain is...some time "killed" (in an enjoyable manner ofc,otherwise we wouldn't be here) and because without some guests there wouldn't be any party why not listen to what they have to say as well? maybe they have a point,maybe they can suggest a different type of music that would make the party even better?
I think the Lara base rule is not very well thought to be honest,you should've take in consideration the real ratings established by people doing that profesionally and not personal oppinions on what's "showing too much" and what's not cause the more people you would ask the more different answers you would get.
Therefore,a character like Morrigan from a game that is rated 12+ should've been perfectly fine shown on these forums...I actually think it's the first place I've been in on the internet where she is be "banned". :/ That's all I have to say.
BlondeSteve92
23-07-12, 23:42
I strongly agree with what Fullmoon and Crofty said.
Not to sound rude to Dennis' Mom but that just sounded kinda rude the way you worded it, it's like your saying we're all in the wrong and yelling at us. Surely you could have just took the time to just talk to us in a normal, a bit nicer way than that. Atleast get to know why we feel the way we do instead of reading posts that don't cover the feelings we have and judging it all on that.
We haven't had nude or rude models or pictures in a very long time, then suddenly we get hit with this new updated rule that doesn't make sense and just a slap in the face to us. In an artistic way of creating pictures, suddenly tasteful nudity that is covered in almost every way is suddenly a huge no.
Core Design created many nude Lara promo pictures which had her covered in a way we are now not allowed to and having this basic Lara bikini as the base for models doesn't allow for many models. Which are all acceptable in every other form of PEGI rating or any rating at that matter.
Again I'm not trying to sound rude by my post.
king.neko212
23-07-12, 23:44
i agree 100% with crofty , fullmoon and steve , we want the old rules back please .
Ward Dragon
23-07-12, 23:55
We haven't had nude or rude models or pictures in a very long time, then suddenly we get hit with this new updated rule that doesn't make sense and just a slap in the face to us. In an artistic way of creating pictures, suddenly tasteful nudity that is covered in almost every way is suddenly a huge no.
If there's an artistic tastefully covered picture then we wouldn't be able to tell that it was a nude anyway. The new rule is because recently people have been posting images of models simply to advertise that the models are available for download elsewhere. Covering up the model with black bars and telling everyone to download it somewhere else doesn't fit with the original idea behind the rules, hence the rules were changed to specifically say that it's not allowed.
king.neko212
24-07-12, 00:03
If there's an artistic tastefully covered picture then we wouldn't be able to tell that it was a nude anyway. The new rule is because recently people have been posting images of models simply to advertise that the models are available for download elsewhere. Covering up the model with black bars and telling everyone to download it somewhere else doesn't fit with the original idea behind the rules, hence the rules were changed to specifically say that it's not allowed.
so why didn't you put this rule before ?? why did you do it at that time , it's so long and we still do it with no problem , the rule is as long as we don't put the link then it's okay . why did you change it all of a sudden ?
Ward Dragon
24-07-12, 00:07
so why didn't you put this rule before ?? why did you do it at that time , it's so long and we still do it with no problem , the rule is as long as we don't put the link then it's okay . why did you change it all of a sudden ?
The original rule was meant to not allow advertising of mods being offered for download on other sites if the mods break the rules. A lot of people misinterpreted that to mean it was okay as long as no actual link was posted. We updated the rules to make it more clear that it's not allowed at all, whether or not a link is posted directly.
BlondeSteve92
24-07-12, 00:08
If there's an artistic tastefully covered picture then we wouldn't be able to tell that it was a nude anyway. The new rule is because recently people have been posting images of models simply to advertise that the models are available for download elsewhere. Covering up the model with black bars and telling everyone to download it somewhere else doesn't fit with the original idea behind the rules, hence the rules were changed to specifically say that it's not allowed.
But those models wasn't offered to download here and he didn't link them from here, which the rule was if I remember correctly. Even those models had clothing over their breasts or genitals they wasn't nude, just a little bit of side boob or bum cheek :)
Wouldn't it be easier just to post a post (lol) saying, please don't pose pictures of models with black bars etc? So then the rule would still be upheld? So that way, if someone wanted to post a picture that is classy and tasteful they would still be able to?
Yeah but that rule affects the artworks as well now...
king.neko212
24-07-12, 00:12
The original rule was meant to not allow advertising of mods being offered for download on other sites if the mods break the rules. A lot of people misinterpreted that to mean it was okay as long as no actual link was posted. We updated the rules to make it more clear that it's not allowed at all, whether or not a link is posted directly.
why did you decide to make it more clear after all of this time ??
Ward Dragon
24-07-12, 00:14
But those models wasn't offered to download here and he didn't link them from here, which the rule was if I remember correctly. Even those models had clothing over their breasts or genitals they wasn't nude, just a little bit of side boob or bum cheek :)
Wouldn't it be easier just to post a post (lol) saying, please don't pose pictures of models with black bars etc? So then the rule would still be upheld? So that way, if someone wanted to post a picture that is classy and tasteful they would still be able to?
If the artwork is tasteful and doesn't show any more than the bikini, we'd have no way of knowing if the model showed too much skin since that part wouldn't be visible in the picture anyway :pi: But if it needs censor bars, then it shouldn't be posted.
king.neko212
24-07-12, 00:17
If the artwork is tasteful and doesn't show any more than the bikini, we'd have no way of knowing if the model showed too much skin since that part wouldn't be visible in the picture anyway :pi: But if it needs censor bars, then it shouldn't be posted.
don't get this the wrong way or anything i'm just asking........is pixelating the parts like what they do in the sims allowed ??
Ward Dragon
24-07-12, 00:19
don't get this the wrong way or anything i'm just asking........is pixelating the parts like what they do in the sims allowed ??
No, that's more or less the same idea as a censor bar.
If you're confused about whether a render is okay to post, you can PM a mod first and we'll let you know if it follows the rules :)
rexil,that was your "mistake"...you were being too honest :p
He could've easily pose those models in a way and angle so the mods wouldn't know it's showing too much,and put the dl link. *a side boob? pose it from behind=voila,no side boob* I'm kidding of course,what I'm actually trying to say is that we did play be the rules,the way we understood them at least :)
king.neko212
24-07-12, 00:23
i have an idea since pixelating and cover won't work , how about showing the model's back or face only :D
BlondeSteve92
24-07-12, 00:25
If the artwork is tasteful and doesn't show any more than the bikini, we'd have no way of knowing if the model showed too much skin since that part wouldn't be visible in the picture anyway :pi: But if it needs censor bars, then it shouldn't be posted.
Oh no I mean tasteful pictures that are render not the model preview pictures in the recap :)
Something like this:
http://th03.deviantart.net/fs70/150/f/2011/183/a/1/nude_by_cyberfish-d3kr536.jpghttp://th03.deviantart.net/fs70/150/i/2010/199/0/e/Sand_in_the_panty_by_Cyberfish.jpghttp://th01.deviantart.net/fs71/150/i/2011/236/4/5/croft_by_davidrowe-d47o9vg.jpg
They're all done in tasteful ways, and they don't show the breasts, so is that now a big no here? They ain't tiny $ signs lol
Ward Dragon
24-07-12, 00:29
Oh no I mean tasteful pictures that are render not the model preview pictures in the recap :)
Something like this:
http://th03.deviantart.net/fs70/150/f/2011/183/a/1/nude_by_cyberfish-d3kr536.jpghttp://th03.deviantart.net/fs70/150/i/2010/199/0/e/Sand_in_the_panty_by_Cyberfish.jpghttp://th01.deviantart.net/fs71/150/i/2011/236/4/5/croft_by_davidrowe-d47o9vg.jpg
They're all done in tasteful ways, and they don't show the breasts, so is that now a big no here? They ain't tiny $ signs lol
Enough is covered that Lara could conceivably be wearing a strapless bikini, so those are fine :)
BlondeSteve92
24-07-12, 00:32
Enough is covered that Lara could conceivably be wearing a strapless bikini, so those are fine :)
Oh right okay, well that clears more up then :) So if I was to ever want post something like these it's just a matter of PM to a mod and ask if it's okay?
Ward Dragon
24-07-12, 00:38
Oh right okay, well that clears more up then :) So if I was to ever want post something like these it's just a matter of PM to a mod and ask if it's okay?
Yes, exactly :) If you're ever unsure about whether a render follows the rules you can always ask first.
BlondeSteve92
24-07-12, 00:43
Yes, exactly :) If you're ever unsure about whether a render follows the rules you can always ask first.
Okay thanks for answering :) Good to know.
Ward Dragon
24-07-12, 00:46
Okay thanks for answering :) Good to know.
You're welcome :)
Mod must have an high dexterity, totally avoided to comment over my post.
:p
I still don't understand. We can't post pictures of a well covered model because people might know where to find the model...
It's the same thing as telling someone to not use google cause they might find porn there.
Sorry but that logic makes no sense to me.
Like we post them for fun... i posted mines just to fill the recap and let people know what is converted and what is not I never ever gave any link blame google for that.
I can very well see a fully clothed picture of an official render and go to google and type Lara porn or something, does that means that the picture should be removed and forbidden here?
It's relative isn't it.
lol :p
BTW
http://s8.postimage.org/wknsoeu1x/xd1.jpg
http://s8.postimage.org/9ynj8smn9/xd2.jpg
:P
Dennis's Mom
24-07-12, 02:43
why did you decide to make it more clear after all of this time ??
Because we can't anticipate all the ways that people who can't comply with simple rules decide to go around them.
For myself, "no nudity" said it all. If I knew how to run this program, I could put out 500 images and not ONE would violate that rule.
But that wasn't good enough for this forum. Next we have to post a picture showing Lara with all the bits we expect to have dressed. Ward Dragon spent heaven knows how long airbrushing out bikini parts till only the "banned" parts were covered. Can't get much better than a visual, right?
Wrong. Still that wasn't good enough. Now, we've got people putting out nude images and painting kindergarten black dots instead of clothes.
Seriously, how much clarification is needed? A lot, apparently, because people don't possess the discernment to exercise proper judgment.
So let me say upfront, there will probably be another rules clarification for this forum. It's like a leaking dam. Plug one hole and another one will open up. I don't know when, of course, but I have no doubt some enterprising member is already thinking about how s/he can get around this set of rules.
For those who think I'm being rude or "yelling at you", well I am. Sorry, I'm tired of opening my inbox and seeing reports or going to the mod forum and seeing yet another image that could have easily complied with the rules, but the member decided not to. Maybe it was nipples, maybe it was a swimsuit cut to painful proportions. Either way, it was obviously a choice to push the limit.
I can very well see a fully clothed picture of an official render and go to google and type Lara porn or something, does that means that the picture should be removed and forbidden here?
Rexil, I fail to see how this forum is supposed to somehow be liable for anyone typing "Lara porn" into a search engine.
However, if your point is that any image that might turn up in such a search should not be posted here, I agree.
So, before you post any image, I hope you ask yourself if that image could be a result for such a search.
Because we can't anticipate all the ways that people who can't comply with simple rules decide to go around them.
For myself, "no nudity" said it all. If I knew how to run this program, I could put out 500 images and not ONE would violate that rule.
But that wasn't good enough for this forum. Next we have to post a picture showing Lara with all the bits we expect to have dressed. Ward Dragon spent heaven knows how long airbrushing out bikini parts till only the "banned" parts were covered. Can't get much better than a visual, right?
Wrong. Still that wasn't good enough. Now, we've got people putting out nude images and painting kindergarten black dots instead of clothes.
Seriously, how much clarification is needed? A lot, apparently, because people don't possess the discernment to exercise proper judgment.
So let me say upfront, there will probably be another rules clarification for this forum. It's like a leaking dam. Plug one hole and another one will open up. I don't know when, of course, but I have no doubt some enterprising member is already thinking about how s/he can get around this set of rules.
For those who think I'm being rude or "yelling at you", well I am. Sorry, I'm tired of opening my inbox and seeing reports or going to the mod forum and seeing yet another image that could have easily complied with the rules, but the member decided not to. Maybe it was nipples, maybe it was a swimsuit cut to painful proportions. Either way, it was obviously a choice to push the limit.
Rexil, I fail to see how this forum is supposed to somehow be liable for anyone typing "Lara porn" into a search engine.
However, if your point is that any image that might turn up in such a search should not be posted here, I agree.
So, before you post any image, I hope you ask yourself if that image could be a result for such a search.
Why should I? Unless you think that cleavage or a small bikini is porn...
Which is our point, new rules are ridiculously strict.
As far I know no one of the active users have posted any kind of images that can be considered porn, there was cases yes but they where very rare and happened with new people.
You complained that many people where reporting things to the mods, but checking up those things aren't mods job? It looks like an excuse to have less work to do.
I still don't understand how images (no one was sharing models from those images here) of a covered model can do any harm... can you see behind it?
Are people sharing the model here?
Makes no sense.
Oh btw -Wrong. Still that wasn't good enough. Now, we've got people putting out nude images and painting kindergarten black dots instead of clothes.-
I hope you realize that those images where posted when the old rule was still valid or you didn't knew them?
Remember... images could be posted if it didn't show more than Lara bikini example. Which they didn't, they where covered by kindergarten black dots ;)
You guys just changed that out of laziness is what it seems.
mod1- look yet another image of a model that has bits covered by kindergarten black dots which was under the rules.
mod2- again?
mod1- I have an idea.
mod2- do share please
mod1- let's scratch that rule so we won't have this much work anymore useless work with images under that rule.
mod2- genius.
mod3- editing the rules right now.
As much as I agree with rexil and every porter here (not to mention the traffic all those models generate)...
1) This is Justin's party.
2) Don't like how Justin's party is played? Getouttahere.
As much as I agree with rexil and every porter here (not to mention the traffic all those models generate)...
1) This is Justin's party.
2) Don't like how Justin's party is played? Getouttahere.
We are still trying to work something out of it.
If nothing can be done... I had no problems that time I was out of here having my fun over DA.
As much as I agree with rexil and every porter here (not to mention the traffic all those models generate)...
1) This is Justin's party.
2) Don't like how Justin's party is played? Getouttahere.
I think that would hurt the forum more if all your porters left, being a lurker here, xnalara section seems to be the most popular of the forums. Im not saying other sections are not, but xnalara is the most updated out of all of them.
Im sure the owner(s) of the forum wouldn't want traffic to decrease.
I think that would hurt the forum more if all your porters left, being a lurker here, xnalara section seems to be the most popular of the forums. Im not saying other sections are not, but xnalara is the most updated out of all of them.
Im sure the owner(s) of the forum wouldn't want traffic to decrease.
The forum has been here way longer than xnalara so I'm not even sure if they cared about any decrease in traffic.
tumblr's starting to sound real nice these days. :D
Ward Dragon
24-07-12, 05:15
i posted mines just to fill the recap and let people know what is converted and what is not I never ever gave any link blame google for that.
That's the point though. You used the recap thread to advertise to people that the models were available for download on your site even though you knew the downloads couldn't be posted here directly. And by going through the whole "it's a secret" charade you only confused new members and baited them into asking for download links. That's why the rules got more strict, to clarify that this behavior is not allowed and wasn't meant to be allowed under the original rules either.
Legal Statement
11.4 - An administrator's word is final. (http://www.tombraiderforums.com/faq.php?faq=vb_faq#faq_new_faq_item_tandc)
In the discussion about 'Ivy Valentine', we have reacted creative. We have launched a competition to modding 'Ivy' TRF friendly.
I appeal to the community. Become creative. Modify the models so that they conform to the rules. It will make the models available for download. It will be possible to show pictures. And the estimated requirement can be covered tasteful.
Example:
TRF friendly
According the rule
that all female characters in any modded images and models (using XNALara or anything else) must not show any more skin than Lara does in her Legend bikini.
Female Baby Harley Quinn
http://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2012/30/1343065624-Baby.jpg
Download link (http://www.sendspace.com/file/8bwod8)
Works for XNALara and XPS :cln:
Tasteful image with a female character which not show any more skin than Lara does in her Legend bikini :cln:
http://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2012/30/1343108666-Tasteful.jpg
BTW:
This day, I make the TRL Evening Dress TRF friendly
Rexil... and XNAaraL, don't trouble trouble until trouble troubles you :mis:
np (http://www.usingenglish.com/reference/idioms/don%27t+trouble+trouble+until+trouble+troubles+you .html) спасибо за щедрость!!!)
I don't concern myself about the future until it becomes the present.
http://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2012/21/1338138462-Never.jpg
"Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof" (from the Bible, St Matthew's Gospel).
RoxasKennedy
24-07-12, 10:40
Oooh, oooh, I have a question!
If I ever release somethin nude, and I want to let people on TRF know, can I just make a close-up of her face, but not the whole body?
Because the face doesn't have any naughty parts, and since I don't show the body, I don't have to put the black bars!
... Although I think you don't want any "advertising" in general (posting a pic of a model saying go find it somewhere else).
I have maybe answered my own question.
That's the point though. You used the recap thread to advertise to people that the models were available for download on your site even though you knew the downloads couldn't be posted here directly. And by going through the whole "it's a secret" charade you only confused new members and baited them into asking for download links. That's why the rules got more strict, to clarify that this behavior is not allowed and wasn't meant to be allowed under the original rules either.
Lol where people asking the mods for links? I don't think so... And the ones who asked people answered that it couldn't be shared here.
Yes I know the download links can't be shared here, maybe that's why I never did?
So you guys put a rule, let it run for what? Over a year and expect people to understand hidden meaning on it?
-includes Jesus facepalm here-
In the discussion about 'Ivy Valentine', we have reacted creative. We have launched a competition to modding 'Ivy' TRF friendly.
I appeal to the community. Become creative. Modify the models so that they conform to the rules. It will make the models available for download. It will be possible to show pictures. And the estimated requirement can be covered tasteful.
Example:
Tasteful image with a female character which not show any more skin than Lara does in her Legend bikini :cln:
[IMG]http://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2012/30/1343108666-Tasteful.jpg[/IMG
BTW:
This day, I make the TRL Evening Dress TRF friendly
By the new rules the baby example is still against them. It's just a texture edit isn't it? How is it different from kindergarten black dots?
That's how strict this new rules are now.
Rexil... and XNAaraL, don't trouble trouble until trouble troubles you :mis:
Wat.
By the new rules the baby example is still against them. It's just a texture edit isn't it? How is it different from kindergarten black dots?
That's how strict this new rules are now.
Nope.
It is a mesh modification. The Bikini is a 3D model. According the old rules and according the new rules.
Nope.
It is a mesh modification. The Bikini is a 3D model. According the old rules and according the new rules.
Wasn't it what they where complaining about? Circumventing the rules?
I'm sorry but I'm not going to edit a model and change it's original state just because it show a little cleavage. That's plain stupid.
And the problem here really isn't the models, it's not being able to show pictures of them even if they are properly covered.
Modding the model won't solve anything, I could download put an alpha channel on it and I would get the original model again.
I'm not trying to make them allow us to post those models here, that not my point at all.
What I'm telling them is what's the problem of posting an image of a model properly covered if you aren't sharing any links?
I want it to have the recap organized so people can know what was converted and what not.
o0Crofty0o
24-07-12, 13:47
^^ wow saying it like that... Itz possible to make a nude model of everything by just editing textures! Tru bath suit for eg! You can turn it into a latex sm suit o.O
Oh that doesnt even only apply to models! It applies to EVERY posted image nvm if itz xna, fanart or wth.
Besides that. Why is all the gore of the new tr easier handled than some naked bits? It is okay to put injuries to hells damnation onto models and even animate a kinda rape scene?interesting.
I add something from myself about the rules. For me it's strange that one thread has sharper rules on forum than the other ones, because it has bigger popularity. You have many moderator here, but if only 2-3 persons are responsible for this thread...
I'm afraid we're just wasting words and time here.. they won't listen to us and the rules won't change. If possible, they will become even stricter...
Pudic...pudic people everywhere. Wonder if they shower dressed.
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