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moodydog
03-06-11, 17:08
Hey, I requested info from Train2Game about 4 months back. I only just heard something back on Wednesday. And the woman on the phone told me that someone will come round on Friday (today) to give me information about the course. It would take approx half an hour.
I initially expected it to be a chilled, and pretty informal. And just some extra info that the website or the internet could mysteriously not provide?

So at half 12, two guys in suits *cough* salesmen *cough* came round to explain what I was getting myself into. The main guy started off by asking about myself, what I was doing in College, and started asking why I chose everything I have been doing in college. When he found out that I was split between game design and engineering, he started to slag off engineering and "pat himself on the back" about the Train2Game course. He also tried to put me off going to uni, saying that this course is a fraction of the price.

His questions fired at me were quite pressurised, and made my think long and hard about why I shouldn't do Engineering or any other game design Course. My mum asked him if the course is recognised abroad, and I realised that he subtly covered up the question by saying how much better it is to work in the UK games industry, and that it would be a lot harder to find work in say Japan or America. After basically Patting himself on the back, he showed us a DVD of Train2Game which basically patted itself on the back, without fully explaining specifics of the course. In the last 10 minuets of a 2 and a half hour 'interview' he started talking about the course details.

About the price, he said its paid in 135 a month instalments, but you have to pay 100 upfront when you register. During the interview, the other guy just seemed to be making notes.

Next they gave me an endurance test :confused:
They made it seem like I should relish the opportunity of becoming part of such a "great and wonderful" course, and make me feel like I may not be good enough for the course. Despite throughout, he keep on saying how clever I was, and really tried to tailor the course to my strengths. He said I should take the Art and Animation Course, since its both Creative and Academic, and it became apparent that I have that mix, he also said not many people have that.

He finally said, he will let make a decision "if I am good enough" for the course :rolleyes: and let me know the wonderful news on Monday. By which time I should be ready to sign up and pay 100

Though, I was initially slightly impressed after they left, it seemed a bit dodgey why they had to come round to our house, and why there is an absence of info on the internet. Upon reading a few independent sites, it all appears a bit fake. It appears they just basically made a Hard Sale.

I wanted to know if Train2Game or TIGA is a scam? Is it legit, either way I think I am going to go to uni... since it seems like a safer option, and a more recognised qualification internationality. I feel lucky that I haven't been fooled by them yet, but I wouldn't want to say anything unless they are a legit course.

The course is also a home course, therefore social life will be a bit of an issue.

Ohh weirdly the guy asked to use the computer for 2 seconds afterwards... I am not sure why... it was something to do with his wife? :\ My mum thinks he might have bugged the downstairs computer?? How can we check
Has anyone had any experience or aware of them? If they are any good or a big con?

ace_85
03-06-11, 18:26
A friend I know has had a bad experience with a scheme like this. Not sure if it was this exact same company, but he ended up out of pocket to the tune of several thousand pounds - enough, basically, to finance a proper, decent degree course - and ended up without any sort of final qualification to boot.

Avoid.

Cochrane
03-06-11, 18:33
I have no experience with that company, I never heard about them before, and I think that is worrying. A degree from a well-known university is probably more helpful for getting a job, especially if you don't want to limit yourself to only games.

The Great Chi
03-06-11, 22:40
I would be very wary of heavy sales tatics, especially during a recession where there are many cons around.

It is better to get a known certificate or degree, rather than something really dodgy.

Con men abound out there wanting your hard earned cash, and every scheme is different and very clever at getting your money for something that you think is good, but ends up worthless and costly to you in the end.

tlr online
16-07-14, 09:32
Hi all. Just received this email from someone claiming to be from Train2Game.

The following message was sent to you via the www.tombraiderforums.com Contact Us form by Train2Game Legal Department.

--------------------------------

Sirs
We would welcome your comments on the link below

http://www.tombraiderforums.com/showthread.php?t=181718

The link claims that Train2Game was on Watchdog – which is false and very defamatory.
One of the respondents claims there is evidence via the Yahoo link
http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/question...8121321AANkdMe
Another claims evidence on this link
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/watchdog/2008/10/the_skills_training_thats_off.html
And finally your respondent says:
“they only want to rob you of your money and leave you with nothing.”

This is unacceptable, please see
www.train2gamewinners.co.uk
www.train2gamenewbies.co.uk

In the circumstances we cordially request you delete this very false thread
Yours faithfully
Train2Game

--------------------------------

Referring Page: http://www.tombraiderforums.com/showthread.php?t=181718
IP Address: ***REMOVED***
User Name: Unregistered
User ID: 0
Email: ***REMOVED***

Can anyone shed any light on this please?

Legend of Lara
16-07-14, 09:35
It's a post on a random public forum from three years ago, goodness. Train2Game sure have their bases covered.

You could just go ahead and delete this thread if you want the matter to blow over without incident, idk.

Peterstar101
16-07-14, 09:47
^ Trying to control negative attention, almost 4 years too late.

They're very clearly, not native English speakers, by the way they phrase their sentences.

Also, what company, handles PR like this, it's so sketchy, to delete a thread from a Tomb Raider forum. :p

You could probably edit the posts, and leave the thread up as a warning.

rewak
16-07-14, 10:00
Quick fact check is Train2Game themselves weren't on WatchDog BUT the co-founder of Train2Game Jan Telensky was the CEO of a company called SkillsTrain which is what the WatchDog article was about, it's still on Archive - https://web.archive.org/web/20081210173256/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/watchdog/2008/10/the_skills_training_thats_off.html?

Both companies are owned by Metropolitan International Schools, they tried to sue Google among other people for defamation after these questions were brought about and sort of merged together to point the SkillsTrain stuff on Train2Game as well, and won to the sum of 50,000 from Digital Trends (Google got let off) - http://www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWHC/QB/2010/2411.html

It's not the first time they've sent messages to blogs and forums either - http://www.bruceongames.com/2009/10/28/patrick-charnley-writes-to-me-again-about-train2gam/

Like Legend said, they sure like to have their bases coved. I'd agree with just deleting the thread.

tlr online
16-07-14, 10:01
I've replied to them with the following.

Hello.

Thank you very much for your email. The thread itself opens with what I perceive to be someone's personal experience with the company Train2Game. Which comments (specifically) do you find 'false' and 'very defamatory'? I will be happy to review those comments and take appropriate actions where necessary.

Thanks.

Peterstar101
16-07-14, 10:02
^ That'd probably be good enough for a smart company, but I don't think they'll like it.

You should probably delete it, or leave the main op, and remove the other posts.

aidanmalone
16-07-14, 10:23
Ahh train2game, I've had my experience with this company before. I was looking for entryways into games design and found their supposed website online. I threw across a small email about what courses they do and if it would cost. I was then badgered by phone calls for no more than 2 weeks about "a wide range of recognised courses and qualifications" and even twice asked me for my credit card details over the phone.

At first it did seem legit and all, a guy talked to me about my possible future after the course and would have "helped me decide after the year long course". The price would have been 52 a week IIRC and as soon as I said I could not afford that they started asking me if I had alternative methods to pay, I then stopped phone calls completely and replied with emails albeit to no avail. And all of this would have been some guy teaching you over the internet about games design instead of no physical learning place!

If they are bothered enough to try and delete a thread from 4 years ago then it doesn't seem anything more than scare tactics and a possible bad reputation.

Sorry if my post is going to bother any of you, I don't want any trouble from this :o

Legend of Lara
16-07-14, 10:33
52 a week

good god...

tlr online
16-07-14, 10:38
Greetings. I have removed several posts from this thread per request from Train2Game. In the interest of full transparency, I have included my communications below.

Sirs

Thank YOU for the fantasic response time.

With respect most was covered in our original email. The links to external services are not active and as they are being used to support false claims, they really are not acceptable. The reference to Watchdog is totally false.
The comment suggesting Train2Game is acting illegally is very defamatory. To suggest Train2Game would "rob" an individual is equally not acceptable.

The original author states "Ohh weirdly the guy asked to use the computer for 2 seconds afterwards... I am not sure why... it was something to do with his wife? :\ My mum thinks he might have bugged the downstairs computer?? How can we check". To publish such a claim suggests to us the entire thread is floored.

We await and welcome your comments

Yours faithfully
Train2Game

Hello again,

Thank you for your email and for clarifying which posts you are querying. I have reviewed the posts cited and based on the fact that the external links referenced appear to be broken (or have been removed by the author) I have deleted the comments, as per your request.

I wish you all the best, and please do not hesitate to contact me direct with any future questions.

Peterstar101
16-07-14, 10:43
That computer "comment" should in no way be removed.

I don't think, anyone would make that up.

Also, by "floored" did they mean "flawed"

Don't you have to have like, I don't know an understanding of the English language? To become one of the legal team members, for a British company.

Uzi master
16-07-14, 10:51
I smell a frivolous lawsuit.

I wouldn't blame you for deleting this post if they asked, but if they did ask for that, it would really only further prove my statement.

Legend of Lara
16-07-14, 11:28
There's really not much to sue over here. It's something someone else said on his public forum three years ago, detailing only their personal experiences with Train2Game. I can see why they'd consider this bad publicity, but that's why one doesn't operate so strangely in the first place.

tlr online
16-07-14, 14:20
An update for you.

Sirs

Thank you for your email. We are very disappointed that you reposted in such a way - there is no claim to be made, we are Train2game.
In our opinion the thread is worse than it was. Therfore, we suggest adopting the view of your members and as such remove the entire thread.

Your comments please

Yours Faithfully
Train2Game Legal Department

PS My passport says I'm English, born in Hitchin, Hertfordshire

Hello

Thank you for your email. On good faith we have removed comments which you claim were false and defamatory. What remains is an open, public discussion about Train4Game. You are free to participate in this conversation by registering on our forum. In order to maintain a position of transparency, we may publish all communications on our forum.

Gh0stBlade
16-07-14, 14:45
Well as a student taking Games Design. I have heard countless "horror stories" from Game Industry specialists during Lectures etc. From this experience, I believe they are nothing more than scammers/lying cheats and only want to do nothing but take advantage of Students. Don't bother with them, not surprised they were on WatchDog (if that's actually true).

Jus' sayin' the truth :)

tlr online
16-07-14, 14:52
Another reply from Train2Game. They also include a link to their web site for anyone wishing to stay up to date with news from them.

Sirs

Thank you again for your email.

The only issues that concerned us were the use of false links and the comments that went with them.
I would, however, like to share that Train2Game has not offered a single year course. The time period is three years. If it is a student does need more time and can demonstrate they wish to further and complete there skill set through to City & Guilds, where applicable, we offer a discretionary extension free of charge. That's why we are proud to have so many students getting jobs before they have completed all the course work.

We wish you well with your Forum and should your members wish a constant update of industry news please feel free to visit www.train2game-news.co.uk

Yours faithfully
Train2Game

Gh0stBlade
16-07-14, 15:03
Well after that situation, I most definitely wouldn't want to use their service.
Talk about diggin' your own grave....
My goodness....

Corbec8
22-07-14, 22:33
Hello guys,

Very first post here since I had my interview with the sales guy from T2G this very evening.

I have heard many good and bad things about this company, as I am sure most of you have.

If it genuinely is a so called "scam" then does anyone have a legitimate company who helps people get in to the games industry.

Please don't suggest a uni course as I already am doing one with the Open Uni and I can almost guarantee that wont help me get in to Gaming unless I learn in my spare time.

It would be great to get a certification of some sort and build up a portfolio of actual game related work.

I heard that they did a Game Jam with Microsoft, Epic etc and that just screams that they are not that bad of a company.

I will be very grateful for anyone who can either link me to a message by one or a few people who have done the course or are on it at the moment.

Or if someone could link me a few things which could help me get in to the industry as a Game Designer.

I am all for doing intern ships and Work Experience but I just cant find the resources that help me locate these opportunities xD.

Please also advise me if I am misusing this post since I never ever post on forums ._.

Many Thanks!

moodydog
22-07-14, 22:55
Hello guys,

Very first post here since I had my interview with the sales guy from T2G this very evening.

I have heard many good and bad things about this company, as I am sure most of you have.

If it genuinely is a so called "scam" then does anyone have a legitimate company who helps people get in to the games industry.

Please don't suggest a uni course as I already am doing one with the Open Uni and I can almost guarantee that wont help me get in to Gaming unless I learn in my spare time.

It would be great to get a certification of some sort and build up a portfolio of actual game related work.

I heard that they did a Game Jam with Microsoft, Epic etc and that just screams that they are not that bad of a company.

I will be very grateful for anyone who can either link me to a message by one or a few people who have done the course or are on it at the moment.

Or if someone could link me a few things which could help me get in to the industry as a Game Designer.

I am all for doing intern ships and Work Experience but I just cant find the resources that help me locate these opportunities xD.

Please also advise me if I am misusing this post since I never ever post on forums ._.

Many Thanks!

OK, Train2game, I don't think is a scam, but they appear to be quite dodgey as apparent from the forum thread. But you have to question the value of obtaining the TIGA qualification for yourself, and do some research to find out if it will help you reach your goals or not. I can tell you now that most game companies want a degree... but I don't think it matters what it is.

I don't think I am the best to answer, but I have been in the same situation as you in the past, and here is what I've heard, and been suggested (in the form of questions) also I have talked to someone in the industry who helped me when I was considering going into video games, and I've also watched a few videos from developers about how to enter the industry...

well..

Have you ever created a game before? (Tools are readily available to download, app development kits) :) The ease of creating a game nowadays and posting it up in the app store...
Do you have any work, or a portfolio?
An online blog devoted to game ideas, concept art, or creating video games?
Any experience with the Unreal Engine, 3DS Max, CryEngine?
What sort of line of work do you want to go into... Concept art? Animation? Level Design etc - Do you have any work that shows your competency.
I suppose the greatest way into the industry is by contact. You really need to try and spread yourself out, either through media or word of mouth.
I know, you need a degree... so your open uni degree should be sufficient.
Some game companies have internship schemes, I know RARE does. The best place to look is on the websites of different game companies. And look at their criteria too.
Also, you going into this market and competing against thousands of people, what makes you stand out? Many of which, would have answered the questions above quite well!

Hope this helps.

Gh0stBlade
22-07-14, 22:59
Hello guys,

Very first post here since I had my interview with the sales guy from T2G this very evening.

I have heard many good and bad things about this company, as I am sure most of you have.

If it genuinely is a so called "scam" then does anyone have a legitimate company who helps people get in to the games industry.

Please don't suggest a uni course as I already am doing one with the Open Uni and I can almost guarantee that wont help me get in to Gaming unless I learn in my spare time.

It would be great to get a certification of some sort and build up a portfolio of actual game related work.

I heard that they did a Game Jam with Microsoft, Epic etc and that just screams that they are not that bad of a company.

I will be very grateful for anyone who can either link me to a message by one or a few people who have done the course or are on it at the moment.

Or if someone could link me a few things which could help me get in to the industry as a Game Designer.

I am all for doing intern ships and Work Experience but I just cant find the resources that help me locate these opportunities xD.

Please also advise me if I am misusing this post since I never ever post on forums ._.

Many Thanks!

Oh dear, for the LOVE of god!
Stay away from them!
You don't know what you're getting yourself into!
*Bites nails*

Edit: *Finished biting nails and starts to scream really loud*
Edit: *Plays TR1_Lara_Scream.mp3*

Corbec8
22-07-14, 23:05
Greetings =D

Yes your post did indeed help me, however it made me somewhat sad that I actually need a degree to get in to the industry in the first place.

Unfortunately I do not have any experience or a portfolio which is one of the key elements that they will require you to have.

There are quite a few places to become an intern for or do Work Experience.

The main thing is I don't know how much this TIGA certification is worth, I know they are partnered with City & Guilds which is a fair accreditation in itself but how serious will it be taken by developers I don't know.

I guess the appealing thing for T2G is that it has the potential to give you some experience with the whole cycle of making a game, that is where I think the true value of it is.

I know I can be great within the industry but I just need a push in the right direction, a structure and maybe T2G is the right thing for me but the internet hath corrupted my mind with negative and positive comments.

Garrggh.. it is quite difficult to get in to the games industry but not hard to progress once your actually in it.

I might just send actual letters to Lionhead and other companies in the UK and just ask them for information and my best possible routes.

You never know one of them might take me under their wing and teach me some things.

I am 19 so gotta do it quick as they tend to prefer younger people for work experience etc...

Trenton
22-07-14, 23:17
^What are your interests/goals in the industry? Technical? Creative? Are you interested in programming or more into 3D modelling or game design? :)

Corbec8
22-07-14, 23:25
^What are your interests/goals in the industry? Technical? Creative? Are you interested in programming or more into 3D modelling or game design? :)

Hi There :),

Although I am sure a career in programming would be good for me as I would find it quite easy to pick up, I feel that I would not enjoy it as much as a career in Game Design.

I really feel I have a creative flair when it comes to games in general, be it creating backstory or thinking of game logic / mechanics.

My goal would be to one day run my own development company and have an awesome team behind me, but I am more than happy to start from the bottom of a company if it gets me in to the industry :).

It would be great to hear your thoughts on the above.

Thanks =D

moodydog
22-07-14, 23:25
Greetings =D

Yes your post did indeed help me, however it made me somewhat sad that I actually need a degree to get in to the industry in the first place.

Unfortunately I do not have any experience or a portfolio which is one of the key elements that they will require you to have.

There are quite a few places to become an intern for or do Work Experience.

The main thing is I don't know how much this TIGA certification is worth, I know they are partnered with City & Guilds which is a fair accreditation in itself but how serious will it be taken by developers I don't know.

I guess the appealing thing for T2G is that it has the potential to give you some experience with the whole cycle of making a game, that is where I think the true value of it is.

I know I can be great within the industry but I just need a push in the right direction, a structure and maybe T2G is the right thing for me but the internet hath corrupted my mind with negative and positive comments.

Garrggh.. it is quite difficult to get in to the games industry but not hard to progress once your actually in it.

I might just send actual letters to Lionhead and other companies in the UK and just ask them for information and my best possible routes.

You never know one of them might take me under their wing and teach me some things.

I am 19 so gotta do it quick as they tend to prefer younger people for work experience etc...

If you don't know what the TIGA qualification is worth, that may be one major area of research to do before signing up. You need to find out if it's something you think you need.

I also found it appealing, they do give you all the shiny books, and tutorials and packages and ask you to work through it all. So in that case, I guess it is quite structured, and you are getting experience in using the software. In that case, you wouldn't do it too much for the qualification. But at the same time, what's stopping you from doing this now. There are plenty of tutorials online... this guy is fantastic...

https://www.youtube.com/user/wenda111287

and my personal favourite stream...

https://www.youtube.com/user/FZDSCHOOL

What's more, if you are a student, most software is free (3DS is free, the unreal engine AFAIK, is free...)

Best thing to do is ask a professional. Either someone from the games industry may see this thread and coincidently be a member of TRF and reply here, but I wouldn't count on it, or get yourself down to Eurogamer if you can, and see if you can snag anyone there. Also do some research :)

Here is a good page:

http://www.prospects.ac.uk/games_developer_job_description.htm

aidanmalone
22-07-14, 23:27
Head on over the the Tomb Raider Level editor sub forum on here :) There are alot more people who do games design in there and will definitely be able to point you in the right direction :) The stuff we uses introduces you into the games design world very nicely and you can definitely learn a thing or two :D

moodydog
22-07-14, 23:27
My goal would be to one day run my own development company and have an awesome team behind me, but I am more than happy to start from the bottom of a company if it gets me in to the industry :).

Thanks =D

Start Indie, why not start now (or when you finish your open course)? :)

Head on over the the Tomb Raider Level editor sub forum on here :) There are alot more people who do games design in there and will definitely be able to point you in the right direction :) The stuff we uses introduces you into the games design world very nicely and you can definitely learn a thing or two :D

And this is also very useful.

I think now, it's not a matter of, what course, or what direction should I take in order to get into the industry, it's more a case of, have I done enough to show the industry that I am passionate about working in the industry, coupled with a degree for some reason (though honestly, not 100% sure tbh). Also, it's wise to get to know someone who has ties in the industry (best possible route into many industries to be honest). :)

Corbec8
22-07-14, 23:32
Start Indie, why not start now (or when you finish your open course)? :)



And this is also very useful.

I agree that starting as an Indie would be kind of cool but the problem is I would specialise in Game Design and not in the Graphic/Animation department nor the programming skills required.

So really I am just a guy who can come up with ideas, project manage them, time manage, budget manage.... But cant actually do the main things which create the game itself xD

BTW everyone is helping out so much :) I didnt expect so many replies :3

Thanks!

Trenton
22-07-14, 23:38
Hi There :),

Although I am sure a career in programming would be good for me as I would find it quite easy to pick up, I feel that I would not enjoy it as much as a career in Game Design.

I really feel I have a creative flair when it comes to games in general, be it creating backstory or thinking of game logic / mechanics.

It would be great to hear your thoughts on the above.

My goal would be to one day run my own development company and have an awesome team behind me, but I am more than happy to start from the bottom of a company if it gets me in to the industry :).

Thanks =D

If game design is what you want to do then you should definitely go for that. Being passionate about something is the key to success imo. Because that's what will keep you going even through the hard times and eventually get you where you want to be. :)

I can't give you any specific advice on this matter as I don't know anything about T2G at all. I'm sure it would be wise to get in touch with someone who is/has been attending their courses though.
I also like your idea about writing to different game developers and ask what they are looking for in future employees as that may give you ideas on what education/courses to pursue.

Anyway, I wish you best of luck with this. :)

aidanmalone
22-07-14, 23:40
Always glad to help :D

As with moodydog said, word of mouth and the drive to do something is what matters. Start browsing some games dev forums, maybe start learning Unreal 4 that was just released, after watching 3 10 minute tutorials I was able to build a full 2 storey house and completely furnish it :) There's a good start :) Give things a go even If you don't get the hang of them because somewhere down the line you can say "I tried that, and now I can use that to my advantage now".

For now, Indie seems your best choice as you can learn on the go at your own pace. I am nearly 21 and still learning everything, everybody starts somewhere :)

moodydog
22-07-14, 23:42
I agree that starting as an Indie would be kind of cool but the problem is I would specialise in Game Design and not in the Graphic/Animation department nor the programming skills required.

So really I am just a guy who can come up with ideas, project manage them, time manage, budget manage.... But cant actually do the main things which create the game itself xD

BTW everyone is helping out so much :) I didnt expect so many replies :3

Thanks!

You definitely need to start somewhere, and if you are passionate about it, and you must really want it, you can start to build up a portfolio, short stories, animations, storyboards, concept art, game demos (TRLE :D). LEARN how to use Unreal Engine, (UDK, its FREE)

https://www.unrealengine.com/products/udk

and this book...

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Mastering-Unreal-Technology-Introduction-Beginners/dp/0672329913/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1406072461&sr=8-1&keywords=mastering+unreal+technology

should help.

I am sure there are others in the same position as you though. Can you not sign up on Linkedin or something, and find a small group who want to do the same.

If you want to develop your programming skills...

http://www.codecademy.com/learn

a beautiful and an amazing website.

Corbec8
22-07-14, 23:55
You definitely need to start somewhere, and if you are passionate about it, and you must really want it, you can start to build up a portfolio, short stories, animations, storyboards, concept art, game demos (TRLE :D). LEARN how to use Unreal Engine, (UDK, its FREE)

https://www.unrealengine.com/products/udk

and this book...

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Mastering-Unreal-Technology-Introduction-Beginners/dp/0672329913/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1406072461&sr=8-1&keywords=mastering+unreal+technology

should help.

I am sure there are others in the same position as you though. Can you not sign up on Linkedin or something, and find a small group who want to do the same.

If you want to develop your programming skills...

http://www.codecademy.com/learn

a beautiful and an amazing website.

I am actually on LinkedIn, perhaps there is a group. I shall go investigate :)

There must be amazing resources somewhere for someone in my position.

I know I can just go Indie and practice but there must be structure somewhere xD It would help so much.

moodydog
22-07-14, 23:59
structure in what? May I ask? :)

Corbec8
23-07-14, 00:00
structure in what? May I ask? :)

Just some structure which helps me understand what I have to do and in what order. :)

So for example a website which tells me that doing so and so really helps with getting in to this career.

Maybe I should have said it would be great if somewhere had almost an action plan xD.

moodydog
23-07-14, 00:05
I think your thought process for this is far too complex.

I don't think there is a right and wrong order of doing stuff, I suppose the first step would be "research the industry" and the last step would be "get the job", anything in between is just the character building.

It may be better as a check-list of stuff to do.

The only real structure would be the structure of following tutorials if you are making something for your portfolio/ blog. :)

aidanmalone
23-07-14, 00:13
Perhaps you should carry this conversation on in the TRLE thread as to avoid confusion between 2 threads and attract the more correct attention :wve:
This may have slightly derailed it a bit from the Train2Game discussion :o

I don't mean to be a pain >_<

moodydog
23-07-14, 00:21
Perhaps you should carry this conversation on in the TRLE thread as to avoid confusion between 2 threads and attract the more correct attention :wve:
This may have slightly derailed it a bit from the Train2Game discussion :o

I don't mean to be a pain >_<

yes I've mentioned that in the other thread :p I'm only going to reply there.