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tlr online
08-08-11, 19:24
Greetings fine forum folk.

The unofficial chat room was (and still is) a great idea. I stoped in myself a couple of times and found the conversation to be great fun. However of late material of an adult nature was frequently being discussed and this began to present us with a problem. Some of our younger members were getting confused about whether this chat room was an official feature of our forum and we began receiving a number of complaints. It was for this reason we removed the thread.

I know some of you are disappointed, so I am looking at an integrated chat solution for our forum. There are a couple of viable commercial options available and I will explore each thoroughly and keep you posted.

Super Badnik
08-08-11, 19:27
What chat room? :confused:

larafan25
08-08-11, 19:30
What chat room? :confused:

Probably Tiny Chat.

maximum_123
08-08-11, 19:31
^ The Tinychat one from the `TRF Community Chat` thread.

It sucks that it had to close, but I totally understand and hope that something like it starts up again. It was a really awesome thing and how I met most of the people here.

NRO.
08-08-11, 19:35
That's a BS exscuse.

Don't like, don't watch. If you feel offended by something, don't need to stare at it. If you created a chat, where the official mods moderated it, no one would come on. This forum is like a class, where the teachers stare at you and watch your every move. The chat was like a break, no teachers, just pupils hanging out.

You also could've locked the thread and removed the links. There were so many great posts in it.

xXhayleyroxXx
08-08-11, 19:38
That's a BS exscuse.

Don't like, don't watch. If you feel offended by something, don't need to stare at it. If you created a chat, where the official mods moderated it, no one would come on. This forum is like a class, where the teachers stare at you and watch your every move. The chat was like a break, no teachers, just pupils hanging out.

You also could've locked the thread and removed the links. There were so many great posts in it.

I agree, to be honest. And tinychat could still work with a password and/or better moderation.

Carbonek_0051
08-08-11, 19:39
Not really a BS excuse, people abused it, so it was deleted. Oh well.

Kelly Craftman
08-08-11, 19:40
I agree, to be honest. And tinychat could still work with a password and/or better moderation.

Problem with that is, who is going to do it, All the mods here are busy on the forums and have lives outside. Having both on your shoulders would be a nightmare.

kooky
08-08-11, 19:40
Not really a BS excuse, people abused it, so it was deleted. Oh well.

Exactly, people will go too far with things & receive a consequence, makes perfect sense to me.

voltz
08-08-11, 19:41
I agree, to be honest. And tinychat could still work with a password and/or better moderation.

I haven't been in the room, but I'd have to say I agree that moderation is important. If Justin wants to try this again, he needs to have someone keep watch and consider an adult channel listed in the MCG board. Since we don't have an official outlet right now, someone in that area will either have to make one, or talk with their friends to see about setting up a private room for themselves.

Carbonek_0051
08-08-11, 19:41
Problem with that is, who is going to do it, All the mods here are busy on the forums and have lives outside. Having both on your shoulders would be a nightmare.
Exactly, not to mention people shouldn't need mods to know what is appropriate.
Exactly, people will go too far with things & receive a consequence, makes perfect sense to me.

:tmb:

maximum_123
08-08-11, 19:42
That's a BS exscuse.

Don't like, don't watch. If you feel offended by something, don't need to stare at it. If you created a chat, where the official mods moderated it, no one would come on. This forum is like a class, where the teachers stare at you and watch your every move. The chat was like a break, no teachers, just pupils hanging out.

You also could've locked the thread and removed the links. There were so many great posts in it.

It`s always going to happen though, Nora. It`s not like we`re not allowed the chat, but TRF can`t be responsible for what happens there and if there`s a possibility where things will be said that can offend then as a site owner myself, I wouldn`t take the risk. Justin`s clearly still willing to do something about it, so we have the Tinychat now and we`ll have something later if the opportunity ever arises.

It`s like telling someone who`s getting cyberbullied to not go on the internet if they don`t want the attention, now that`s BS. If they want to go on the internet or enjoy a chat with some people then they shouldn`t have to be subject to something that makes them feel uncomfortable, we all could`ve found a more suitable topic to discuss.

Kelly Craftman
08-08-11, 19:44
Just think, Justin said that he will be having a look at alternatives for a chat room. Consider ourselves lucky that he is taking time out of his free time to find one and also on top of the big update.

tlr online
08-08-11, 19:46
This is one of the options.

http://www.123flashchat.com/vBulletin_chat.html

It's fully integrated with our current software.

xXhayleyroxXx
08-08-11, 19:49
^That looks good :)

domina
08-08-11, 19:53
This is one of the options.

http://www.123flashchat.com/vBulletin_chat.html

It's fully integrated with our current software.

I've actually used that before as a member of another forum--It's pretty nice. I remember it having a lot of fun options, too, like the ability to doodle.

maximum_123
08-08-11, 19:53
That's cool, it looks a bit like the old MSN too :p

I also like how you can resize the video boxes, I was dying to do that on the Tinychat because it often ordered them in a weird way.

irishhips
08-08-11, 19:58
Wondering should I use it when it ready? :o

voltz
08-08-11, 19:58
I like the idea but if it's integrated, wouldn't that mean your account gets logged and you can't join in anonymously?

tlr online
08-08-11, 19:58
I like the idea but if it's integrated, but wouldn't that mean your account gets logged and you can't join in anonymously?
That's right.

xXhayleyroxXx
08-08-11, 20:00
Well, isn't that the problem solved? Any member who is reported whilst logged in will be dealt with sort of thing?

Dark Lugia 2
08-08-11, 20:06
Hopefully now people can say what they want on Tinychat without upsetting members here. The forum intergrated chat sounds nice, though the appeal of Tinychat was the mic and webcam features.

tomblover
08-08-11, 20:09
That's right.

http://win.brm.sk/troll_face.png

Seriously though, this is a good idea for a replacement (even if I found the removal unnecessary, for the same reasons .NRO stated previously). :p

Catracoth
08-08-11, 20:11
I know some of you are disappointed, so I am looking at an integrated chat solution for our forum. There are a couple of viable commercial options available and I will explore each thoroughly and keep you posted.

This should prove wonderful.
Thanks for seeking alternatives! :hug:

_Awestruck_
08-08-11, 20:15
I would really, really like an official chatroom. I never went to the tinychat because it wasn't my thing but I go to a forum with a chat integrated into the forum software and it's nice. I've been suggesting something like this for awhile.

TRfan23
08-08-11, 20:16
An integrated chat would be useful, would help lower the amount of spam on the forum hopefully :)

_Awestruck_
08-08-11, 20:17
An integrated chat would be useful, would help lower the amount of spam on the forum hopefully :)

Wishful thinking.

Catracoth
08-08-11, 20:17
I went on the Tinychat room twice or three times. I found it semi-boring and mildly awkward, especially with one member's forehead on the webcam the entire time.

lance6439
08-08-11, 20:18
i wanted to go on before ...but never did.

Lukass
08-08-11, 20:26
Don't like, don't watch. If you feel offended by something, don't need to stare at it.

Absolutely agree with this. If you don't like it, leave it.

voltz
08-08-11, 20:26
While the idea is good for control purposes, there's two things I'm really bothered with

1) Your activities in chat affect your status with the boards. Nothing short of holding a gun to your account should anything go haywire.
2) Some posters have a painted impression of others programmed into their heads. Nothing says unwelcome like going where everyone who's not in favor of your presence has the first reaction to keep you on ignore. (hiddin ID's give users a fair option )

While I'm aware of the good/bad points, I'm just hoping a proper balance can be struck.

Legend of Lara
08-08-11, 20:29
I went on the Tinychat room twice or three times. I found it semi-boring and mildly awkward, especially with one member's forehead on the webcam the entire time.

Now, now. Peeves has a very lovely forehead.

voltz
08-08-11, 20:31
Now, now. Peeves has a very lovely forehead.

Do you rub it for good luck?

Quasimodo
08-08-11, 23:33
An integrated chat might even be more active than an offsite one. Wouldn't it negate the need for the OC thread, too?

Tombcool
08-08-11, 23:39
Will there be available options of the chat rooms?

I think it would be nice to have a general chat room and mature chat room (for 18+) just like the forums. :D

Phlip
08-08-11, 23:52
I know some of you are disappointed, so I am looking at an integrated chat solution for our forum. There are a couple of viable commercial options available and I will explore each thoroughly and keep you posted.

Thanks for understanding this, and looking into alternatives.

trfanX34
09-08-11, 00:48
Funnily, now that it's been removed, looks like it got "selected to try the new tinychat experience" :vlol:

Catracoth
09-08-11, 01:31
An integrated chat might even be more active than an offsite one. Wouldn't it negate the need for the OC thread, too?

Good Lord, yes.

Melonie Tomb Raider
09-08-11, 01:48
I'm really excited about an integrated chat. :D

robm_2007
09-08-11, 02:12
I hope that there is also a MGC Chat Room. Mostly because I can be quite vulgar, should the mood suit me :pi: But, I think that if we only have the GC Chat Room, then we could always seek uncensorship in Tiny Chat.

I like the fact that Justin is seeking alternatives. Yay for us!

jackali
09-08-11, 02:21
I'm glad that place was shut down. To use TRF's name for that abomination was to drag this place down more than a few pegs. I don't get why people are angry either. If they want to keep using the place, they still can as long as they don't call it a TRF one, or post it on here.

Linoshi Croft
09-08-11, 02:38
I'm glad that place was shut down. To use TRF's name for that abomination was to drag this place down more than a few pegs. I don't get why people are angry either. If they want to keep using the place, they still can as long as they don't call it a TRF one, or post it on here.

Yes, but it becomes completely useless without the forum. As we used the forum to know when it was being used. .

Sir Croft
09-08-11, 05:12
Not really a BS excuse, people abused it, so it was deleted. Oh well.

+1.

An integrated chat might even be more active than an offsite one. Wouldn't it negate the need for the OC thread, too?

Great idea. Plus, it would be easier to moderate.

KC Mraz
09-08-11, 05:16
That's a BS exscuse.

Don't like, don't watch. If you feel offended by something, don't need to stare at it. If you created a chat, where the official mods moderated it, no one would come on. This forum is like a class, where the teachers stare at you and watch your every move. The chat was like a break, no teachers, just pupils hanging out.

You also could've locked the thread and removed the links. There were so many great posts in it.

I know right. **** the police.

Before I get myself into trouble, I do not agree with the quoted post as I do not view the forum as the Big Brother house. I don't even agree with the idea of a chat room.

Catracoth
09-08-11, 07:29
Not really a BS excuse, people abused it, so it was deleted. Oh well.

To be fair, nothing was deleted.
The chatroom is still active at the same URL.
It's just frowned upon to discuss it and/or post links to it.

NRO.
09-08-11, 07:31
@KC:

Whatever.

It`s always going to happen though, Nora. It`s not like we`re not allowed the chat, but TRF can`t be responsible for what happens there and if there`s a possibility where things will be said that can offend then as a site owner myself, I wouldn`t take the risk. Justin`s clearly still willing to do something about it, so we have the Tinychat now and we`ll have something later if the opportunity ever arises.

It`s like telling someone who`s getting cyberbullied to not go on the internet if they don`t want the attention, now that`s BS. If they want to go on the internet or enjoy a chat with some people then they shouldn`t have to be subject to something that makes them feel uncomfortable, we all could`ve found a more suitable topic to discuss.

I was saying if you were offended by what Tombcool said, why did you listen and watch it? You have the option to close the tab. For example, I hate games made by Illusion. It's not like I watch the gameplay vids and complain everywhere. You can also hide the camera and mute the mic. The options are there for a reason.

That's right.

But I prefer to sign in as "Nora" than NRO. =/

Now, now. Peeves has a very lovely forehead.

:vlol:

I'm glad that place was shut down. To use TRF's name for that abomination was to drag this place down more than a few pegs. I don't get why people are angry either. If they want to keep using the place, they still can as long as they don't call it a TRF one, or post it on here.

It was just one person's stories who brought it down. It was calm and fun before that.

I'm still sticking with Tinychat. Some people are still on there.

Lukass
09-08-11, 07:42
Because of one idiot was shut down a great chat. WHY :confused: :confused: :confused:

TRF is the weirdest place on internet. Full of rude and over-reacting people. If you don't like the chat, just ****ing ignore it! OK?

robm_2007
09-08-11, 08:06
Because of one idiot was shut down a great chat. WHY :confused: :confused: :confused:

TRF is the weirdest place on internet. Full of rude and over-reacting people. If you don't like the chat, just ****ing ignore it! OK?

The content of the chat was something that TRF didnt to be want associated with. We have MGC, and to access that, you must be at least 18. This is restricted to those of that age and higher due to the mature content of MGC.

The Tiny Chat chat room had/has conversations of the caliber seen in MGC, and if members 13-17, the age deemed unworthy of joining MGC were able to have ready access to it, then that would be counter-productive.

If you go in the trf tiny chat room and are uncomfortable with the content of the chats, then leave. Since the thread was deleted and all links, then it no longer was able to be available for underage members to access.

If the thread stayed, then it would be a type of exposure that TRF deems inappropriate for underage users. Sure, there's filth all over the internet, but that's like arguing in favor for a harcore porn thread in GC, just because it's already all over the web.

/general rant

lara c. fan
09-08-11, 10:54
Because of one idiot was shut down a great chat. WHY :confused: :confused: :confused:

TRF is the weirdest place on internet. Full of rude and over-reacting people. If you don't like the chat, just ****ing ignore it! OK?

Oh, the irony...

FloTheMachine
09-08-11, 11:13
Now, now. Peeves has a very lovely forehead.

OMFG :vlol:!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Punaxe
09-08-11, 12:08
If there are any options that are also accessible using IRC clients, I'm sure that would be most preferable to all who know what IRC is, and probably to the mods as well whose job would likely become much more convenient if they used such a client.

NRO.
09-08-11, 12:47
If there are any options that are also accessible using IRC clients, I'm sure that would be most preferable to all who know what IRC is, and probably to the mods as well whose job would likely become much more convenient if they used such a client.

People still use IRC? :/

dizzydoil
09-08-11, 13:00
I'm glad it got shut down (from TRF). I know a lot of stuff about people on this forum I never wanted to know... /shivers :o

However. It has been awesome--and I have some fond memories from it. It's a shame some idiots had to **** all over it, for lack of a better term.

jackali
09-08-11, 14:14
Yes, but it becomes completely useless without the forum. As we used the forum to know when it was being used. .

But it's not like you couldn't just have a look to see if anyone was on there when you felt like it? Or communicate about it outside the forum?

It was just one person's stories who brought it down. It was calm and fun before that.

I'm aware of that, that doesn't change that it became something which was no longer appropriate to be associated with TRF.

Linoshi Croft
09-08-11, 14:20
But it's not like you couldn't just have a look to see if anyone was on there when you felt like it? Or communicate about it outside the forum?

Yet again we only knew when someone felt like using it through the forum we are not mind readers. Plus not all of us have contact outside of the forum.

jackali
09-08-11, 14:32
It's not hard to initiate contact outside the forum. :confused:
It's easier to do that than it is to try to defend what that chat became.

Linoshi Croft
09-08-11, 14:52
It's not hard to initiate contact outside the forum. :confused:
It's easier to do that than it is to try to defend what that chat became.

The chat was fun it is not everyone's fault for that incident.

peeves
09-08-11, 15:16
If only members had behaved better in that thread everything woulda been fine.

NRO.
09-08-11, 15:24
If only members had behaved better in that thread everything woulda been fine.

It was one member.

Then another member threw a fit and this occured.

Catracoth
09-08-11, 15:31
It was one member.
Then another member threw a fit and this occured.

It only takes one to ruin things for everyone else.
:rolleyes:

Kelly Craftman
09-08-11, 15:53
It only takes one to ruin things for everyone else.
:rolleyes:

True.

Anyway from what I heard the things that were said in there was way above 18+ imo. :p

Linoshi Croft
09-08-11, 15:54
True.

Anyway from what I heard the things that were said in there was way above 18+ imo. :p

I think that's an understatement :vlol:

Isaac
09-08-11, 17:04
There's two things I don't get.

The first one, Tlr_Online suggesting we use the forum's chat function whereas in another debate months ago this idea was quick erased because of fear of endless spam, because we already had Open Chat thread and finally because it would add extra works for the moderators.
Not that I'm against having a chat on the forum (and I am grateful for that thought), far from it, but it would be good sometimes to... be clear with what you want and what you don't want? First you say no, then maybe and finally it's forgotten. It's not that it's bad to change our minds, only crazy people don't do this, but since the speed of processing things on here is quite long, it's better to avoid changing our mind too much.
Plus, I guess it will be another promise that will never happen? What about this software update? The amount of things on the "to-do" list are getting big.

I'm sure you're all doing what you can, but when taking a decision such as removing completely the tinychat, you should be sure you are in a position to replace it quickly and not promise us another things that won't happen.

And here comes the second thing I don't understand. Since the tinychat thing was closed down due to "inappropriate content", how come instead of being deleted it wasn't moved to the Mature General Chat section?
That way, it would:
1- Give a strong warning
2- Still allow members to chat on it more easily with its supposely mature contents
3- Invite members to create a tinychat room more descent for General Chat.

... Oh well, it's TRF, I shouldn't even question things on here.

larafan25
09-08-11, 17:12
TBH.

The idea of adding a chat feature when chat which isn't off topic seems to be frowned upon in General Chat, seems really odd. It's been a couple of times that I've seen people get warnings for discussing the subject of threads in GC which are apparently not threads for discussion, just a mindless list of answers. I don't get it.

Isaac
09-08-11, 17:16
TBH.

The idea of adding a chat feature when chat which isn't off topic seems to be frowned upon in General Chat, seems really odd. It's been a couple of times that I've seen people get warnings for discussing the subject of threads in GC which are apparently not threads for discussion, just a mindless list of answers. I don't get it.

This.

Before getting into the whole 'we need something to discuss', perhaps the moderators should become less strict on some threads first, it would decrease this need. I myself saw some pages (up to four sometimes) in threads of "[ModEdit: Spam removed]", it's ridiculous, especially when it's often the same moderator doing so.

Legend of Lara
09-08-11, 18:16
For example, I hate games made by Illusion.

Why is that? They made classics such as the smash hit Sexy Beach series and the always beloved Rapelay. I may have just answered my own question.

remote91
09-08-11, 18:21
Maybe the thread should have been moved to MGC.. then only people that could handle it would know the tinychat link

robbie_rawr
09-08-11, 18:46
Cant the people who dont like the subject were talking about just leave?:confused:

But thank you for telling us.

Catracoth
09-08-11, 18:53
Cant the people who dont like the subject were talking about just leave?

If only it were that simple.
If parents of the minor were to hear what was being discussed, or if inappropriate things were being shown and God forbid they get a sight of it, TombRaiderForums have a sliver of responsibility because the link to the Tinychat is posted on the forums, serving as an access point. They could be in legal trouble, allegedly.

Isaac
09-08-11, 19:02
If only it were that simple.
If parents of the minor were to hear what was being discussed, or if inappropriate things were being shown[...]

Well, you know, parents of these children allowed them to play a game/visit a forum about a girl with a big and exagerated breast who could run around in bikini lol.
But you have a point.

Tombcool
09-08-11, 19:23
Whatever.

robm_2007
09-08-11, 19:33
This thread is not heading in the right direction, and I am this close to asking the moderators to delete it.

Either they are calling you specifically an idiot, or it's just a general phrase used to describe whoever it was that contributed towards the TC's thread deletion.

But IDK that this thread should be closed; maybe if it continues to be hostile and turns into a Hate Club or something.

Tombcool
09-08-11, 19:38
Delete please.

moodydog
09-08-11, 19:45
tiny chat is not closed... you are all free to use it. You just can't discuss it on here publicly, am I correct?

Tonyrobinson
09-08-11, 19:52
Perhaps a good solution would be to make it 16+ since that's the main age of users that seem to be using it when I'm on anyway. Maybe we could set a password and PM it to the users over 16. :)

Or a social group. For the thread and that way if people want to talk they can meet there and PM the Password. :D

Isaac
09-08-11, 20:00
tiny chat is not closed... you are all free to use it. You just can't discuss it on here publicly, am I correct?

Not even that, the tinychat has "TRF" (aka TombRaiderForums) in its url, so we would need to create a whole new chat for this, but since the thread (where members announced when they were online) is closed, there is no real purpose for the tinychat.

There could still be the solution of having a "Tombraiderforum" group on Facebook, we can now do "group chat" on it.

Gabi
09-08-11, 21:51
I think we need to get a few facts right here:
The chat room is not closed. There are actually members chatting on there right as I am typing this.
All we ask is not to use this forum to post links, to arrange chats or to refer to what is going on in there.

Catracoth hit the nail on the head by saying that parents (of under aged members and visitors alike) could accuse us of being irresponsible for allowing the forum to serve as an access point and linking to a chat room where material of a mature nature is discussed.
I do not know whether we could legally be held responsible, but I think it would at least cause some unpleasant problems should someone decide to take legal action.

The thread in question had well over 1500 posts, many of which contained a link to the chat room.
It was simply too labour intensive to find every single one of them and remove the links.
As for moving it to the mature section, what would this have achieved?
As a consequence more chats of a "mature nature" might have taken place. With us knowing that minors do have access, this was not really an option.

Catracoth
09-08-11, 22:41
This thread is not heading in the right direction, and I am this close to asking the moderators to delete it.

You didn't create this thread, so you've no right asking for it to be removed.

I do not know whether we could legally be held responsible, but I think it would at least cause some unpleasant problems should someone decide to take legal action.
As for moving it to the mature section, what would this have achieved? As a consequence more chats of a "mature nature" might have taken place. With us knowing that minors do have access, this was not really an option.

I did some research and seeing as how it's a rather specific topic, you can understand why my findings were close to naught. However, rather to be safe than sorry, it would make sense that TombRaiderForums could be in a bit of a legal spat in the event that the staff allowed direct links to mature discussions and visual happenings occurred. Needless to say, that's more than enough evidence in a lawsuit.

In regard to moving it to Mature General Chat, I do believe Tinychat features a password lock feature for their chatrooms (someone correct me if I'm wrong, please) and that password could be made only knowledgeable to those with access to the subforum. With that being said, it could be made a requirement that we ask all members who enter the chat to use their forum username as their chat username so we can identify who is whom. Although, that would prove problematic for obvious reasons (impersonations, dishonesty, etc.) so it might be good to steer clear of that.

But all in all, I think it was a fair action on the staff's part to restrict any public hotlinking and discussing of the chatroom for the sake of exposing minors to mature content. The chatroom is still open for those who wish to access it.

Nothing's changed, really.

Legends
09-08-11, 22:58
Who the hell cares.

Catracoth
09-08-11, 23:00
Who the hell cares.

Evidently, a thread-load of people do.

CiaKonwerski
18-09-11, 04:42
Oh yeah...I was totally just looking for this thread. No wonder I could not find it. I just now have a webcam too. :p Is anything similar going to be started up?