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bumb1ebee
02-11-04, 16:08
1. Homosexuality is not natural, much like eyeglasses, polyester, and birth control are not natural.

2. Heterosexual marriages are valid because they produce children. Infertile couples and old people cannot get legally married because the world needs more children.

3. Obviously gay parents will raise gay children because straight parents only raise straight children.

4. Straight marriage will be less meaningful, since Britney Spears' 55-hour just-for-fun marriage was meaningful.

5. Heterosexcual marraige has been around for a long time, and it hasn't changed at all: women are property, blacks can't marry whites, and divorce is illegal.

6. Gay marriage should be decided by the people, not the courts, because the majority-elected legislatures, not courts, have historically protected the rights of minorities.

7. Gay marriage is not supported by religion. In a theocracy like ours, the values of one religion are always imposed on the entire country. That's why we only have one religion in America.

8. Legalizing gay marriage will open the door to all kinds of crazy behavior. People may even wish to marry their pets because a dog has legal standing and can sign a marriage license.

9. Children can never succeed without both male and female role models at home. That's why single parents are forbidden to raise children.

10. Gay marriage will change the foundation of society. Heterosexual marriage has been around for a long time, and we could never adapt to new social norms because we haven't adapted to cars or longer lifespans.

11. Civil unions, providing most of the same benefits as marriage with a different name are better, because a "separate but equal" institution is always constitutional. Separate schools for African-Americans worked just as well as separate marriages will for gays and lesbians.

12. Gay marriage will encourage people to be gay, in the same way that hanging around tall people makes you tall.

If you don't get it by now, it' a joke, and a good one too :D

tazmine
02-11-04, 16:23
Gay marriage will encourage people to be gay, in the same way that hanging around tall people makes you tall.

Yep! :D ;)

SpArKy
02-11-04, 17:41
Originally posted by bumb1ebee:

3. Obviously gay parents will raise gay children because straight parents only raise straight children.
Thats a good one!

larasfrend
02-11-04, 18:31
Originally posted by bumb1ebee:


If you don't get it by now, it' a joke, and a good one too :D LOL Bumblebee, I thought u actually felt these things and was just thinking... oh my god! You're so banned for a week. http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif (Until I saw the last comment. http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/c-2.gif )

Thorir
02-11-04, 20:49
I didn`t really find this funny, even if it is a joke.
People shouldn`t make jokes about serious issues like this.

:(

ELEN
02-11-04, 20:56
I take it as a black humor.

Anubis_AF
02-11-04, 21:02
Black or White, it still remains humor.

bumb1ebee
02-11-04, 22:34
On the surface, the joke is out of humor. But the main underlying message of the joke is very serious. The joke makes very good points, that's why I posted it.

BlingBlingBrat
02-11-04, 23:00
Originally posted by Thorir:
I didn`t really find this funny, even if it is a joke.
People shouldn`t make jokes about serious issues like this.

:( I have to agree with you on this...

janny_c.
02-11-04, 23:08
Well can you please take a little joke out of it rather then making a big issue.
Anywho, I don't want to be mean or anything but my honest opinion is that being homosexual is wrong, and some points have been pointed out...one way or another :D Again, I just said what I think in the nicest way possible so I don't want any troubles.
I agree with Bumbleebee on this one.

It is funny tho...those 12 reasons http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/jumper.gif
edit-yet true http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/c-3.gif

[ 02. November 2004, 23:12: Message edited by: janny_c. ]

bumb1ebee
02-11-04, 23:18
Oh dear...

Janny (with all due respect), don't you see the sarcasm? I'm 100% FOR gay marriage. This joke was made FOR gay marriage. If you didn't get it the first time, read it again. I thought the Britney Spears one would give it away....

IMO there are no valid arguments against gay marriage. None.

janny_c.
02-11-04, 23:21
^^^ What are you talking about? http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/clown.gif
I figured that it was a joke easily...helo, you said it at the end of it, I was just putting a little suggestion for blingbling not to take it seriously it was just a joke, and then I said that I'm against it, and then that your 12 reasons are funny yet true ;)

edit-Oooohhhhh....I didn't notice it was a sarcasm...maybe because Sarcasm is my middle name, so I thought that was normal talk there http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/whistle.gif

[ 02. November 2004, 23:23: Message edited by: janny_c. ]

bumb1ebee
02-11-04, 23:22
Oh, sorry! I guess I didn't understand your post, heh.

Joseph
02-11-04, 23:24
Janny_c, you obviously don't get it: these 12 reasons are tackling some ridiculous banale opinions why being homosexual would be in any way 'wrong'. :rolleyes:

[ 02. November 2004, 23:24: Message edited by: joseph ]

Joseph
02-11-04, 23:28
...which was a response to your post before you edited... http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/whistle.gif

janny_c.
02-11-04, 23:32
Posts can confuse me at times...especially the sarcastic ones, like I said http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v489/janettesbox/Smilies/shadyerrr.gif
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v489/janettesbox/Smilies/laugh.gif

crazyguy100
02-11-04, 23:33
Really.

What do YOU think about gays? I just think they're insane http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/c-3.gif

Joseph
02-11-04, 23:43
What's your point, crazyguy. http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/c-3.gif

crazyguy100
02-11-04, 23:47
Exactly whay I said :confused:

You know, insane people are the ones that go against general opinion. For example, sky is blue. If someone says it's red, then it's considered insane.

Same goes for gays. Men should only marry with women, and viceversa. The one that goes against this, it's an insane person http://www.tombraiderforums.com/forums/icons/icon13.gif

[ 03. November 2004, 00:00: Message edited by: crazyguy100 ]

janny_c.
02-11-04, 23:59
^^ I love his honesty :D

Draco
03-11-04, 00:11
Honesty is admirable, but ignorance isn't.

Insanity is a choice, homosexuality isn't.

crazyguy100
03-11-04, 00:13
Isn't?

Draco
03-11-04, 00:20
That is correct.

andromeda_eats
03-11-04, 00:20
Great joke, serious issue. http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/wave.gif I thought I better put my point across before Melonie Tomb Raider sees this thread and gets it closed.

Prejudice is unconstitutional. Forbidding a group of people certain rights that others are accessible to is prejudice. I cant believe that governments today would retain such neanderthal views of homosexuality.

andromeda_eats
03-11-04, 00:24
Originally posted by crazyguy100:
Isn't?Where have you been living? Homosexuals have no choice in their sexuality. They can deny it, hide it, or even cover it up, but it will never change. I cant believe intelligent human beings still argue that it is wrong. Open your eyes to the world.

crazyguy100
03-11-04, 00:28
I do have my eyes open, homosexuals are just like us (you know, except of course their state of gays).

The thing I hate about them is, if i go on the street with my children, and we see two men or two women kissing, how do I explain that to my children?

It's just my fellings, if they want to kis, better kiss indoors.

andromeda_eats
03-11-04, 00:37
Originally posted by crazyguy100:
I do have my eyes open, homosexuals are just like us (you know, except of course their state of gays).

The thing I hate about them is, if i go on the street with my children, and we see two men or two women kissing, how do I explain that to my children?

It's just my fellings, if they want to kis, better kiss indoors.I understand that you are trying to protect them. But what happens if they themselves realise they are gay? You have shut them off from a part of life and they would be terrified to open themselves up to you. And if they are not gay then isnt it wiser to educate then to encourage ignorance?

Homosexuality is a part of life. You have to explain sex and reproduction to your children one day, which is certainly not easy. Wanting to protect your children is understandable, but can you see that you are encouraging prejudice and ignorance in them? No parent wants that for their children.

Draco
03-11-04, 00:47
Children are surprisingly good at thinking things through if you let them. And if you never tell them it is wrong, that lets them decide for themselves if it is or not.

crazyguy100
03-11-04, 00:48
Really, I don't have any children (too young).

Let's put in that case, if my kids realize they're gay. Again, I'll accept that, I can't reject my own children. But that's my point. While society isn't completely fitted to gays, they mustn't do exhibicionism, like kissing in the streets.

In the first case, it's supposed my children are only five or six. Seven, if you want.
They will only understand sex when they're older.

andromeda_eats
03-11-04, 00:55
So your saying your worried about kids that you dont have yet and thats why gays shouldnt show public affection, incase you have kids one day.

Riiiight. Good arguement. :rolleyes:

Draco
03-11-04, 00:56
Children won't react much different to two guys kissing as they would to a guy and a girl kissing.

Before puberty, children are largely ignorant of the undercurrents that drive things like sexuality.

Infact it is worse in the US since for some reason we feel like we need to protect our children from Adult things.

It's like the Big Adult Conspiracy in Pierce Anthony's Xanth series (assuming I am recalling correctly).

crazyguy100
03-11-04, 00:59
Originally posted by andromeda_eats:
So your saying your worried about kids that you dont have yet and thats why gays shouldnt show public affection, incase you have kids one day.

Riiiight. Good arguement. :rolleyes: It's better to think first and do things next, rather than doing things first and thinking about them next.

[ 03. November 2004, 01:00: Message edited by: crazyguy100 ]

Draco
03-11-04, 01:06
Talk to people who are parents already. But with kids you can plan all you want, you will never know what will happen till it does.

crazyguy100
03-11-04, 01:12
I always talk to my own parents. They know so much!! :D

Besides, I think it's great to discuss about these things in the forum http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/thumb.gif

andromeda_eats
03-11-04, 01:13
By all means, think before you act. Think about what you are saying when you demand something from a group of people that you dont expect from your own. Think about what you are saying when you argue that our children should be protected, when its our children who will change those laws and make homosexual marriage legal.

The world moves forward whether you are prepared for it or not. Womans rights were once taboo and illegal. That has changed. Equality amongst races was once taboo and illegal. That has changed. Marriage amongst homosexuals will become legal and it will be our children who change it.

Draco
03-11-04, 01:29
Actually I think it is just the baby boomers hanging onto the idea that gay is evil. If I ever get into office, I'll be working toward marriage equality...but then I also support making marriage entirely religious...blah...

tazmine
03-11-04, 01:32
Originally posted by Draco:
Actually I think it is just the baby boomers hanging onto the idea that gay is evil. If I ever get into office, I'll be working toward marriage equality...but then I also support making marriage entirely religious...blah...Draco: from what I've seen of this forum, a lot more young people are anti gay than older people. I'm absolutely amazed by the intolerance of some of the youth.

[ 03. November 2004, 01:33: Message edited by: tazmine ]

Draco
03-11-04, 01:36
Well a lot of that stems from ignorance. I find that most people old enough to have a clue (ie over 18), tend to think being gay is alright.

For many though it isn't an issue as long as 'they aren't gay near me'. Like many things the NIMBY syndrome is prevalent.

But if people are forced into an environment where they can't ignore things like that, they tend to accept it.

Olvidarse
03-11-04, 06:21
It's much like color, race, ethnicity, etc.

You wouldn't think it was funny if I started to make fun of colored people, Europeans, Chinese - and still think of it as a "harmless" joke. http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/yuck.gif

bumb1ebee
03-11-04, 17:39
:rolleyes:

Olvidarse, the joke does not make fun of gays. It makes fun of the arguments against gay marriage.

Capt. Murphy
03-11-04, 18:40
I've seen this same list someplace else. http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/c-4.gif Of course Gay Marriage is okay... in the secularist mind.

Also, how come you almost never hear of an elderly gay person? Hmmm... I wonder why that is? :confused:

In all honesty, Gay marriage wouldn't hurt anyone or interfere with Straight people. It's just that it's evil.

Take for example: A teenage girl that is bulimic. Sure whatever she does - doesn't affect me in any way. But what she is doing is harming herself. Just like Gay people, whatever they do doesn't affect me, unless - like someone else mentioned, when they are out in public where innocent eyes can see, wonder, even emulate what they see - thinking it's okay. Whether its seeing two people of the same gender kissing, or Lenny and Squigy dressed as prostitutes or prom 'queens', or immitating lewd and obscene acts in a parade... http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/yuck.gif Like the teenage bulimic they are endangering their well being. With the possibility of spreading deadly diseases after going through multiple partners, or (and this depends if you think like a secularist or not) the *in a nasally conjested sounding voice to dogde the filter* [dab'nation] of their soul... They are making (to say the least) a mistake.

I don't say what I do out of "hate", but out of concern. :( It's Very sad knowing those people could give up their selfish ways and wanton needs for gratification. I know that may sound harsh and rather 'generalized' but you have to be honest with yourself and admit that there are Gay people like that. Maybe not all of them are that bad. http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/privateeye.gif Things like Heterosexual, Bisexual or Homosexual are just titles. We're all Human. Those other things just describe what gets our.... uh, 'motor' running. :confused:

But what do I know. I'm just a stupid Christian.

Oh, one last thing. If by design the parts of a Male and the Parts of a female not only fit together, but fulfill a purpose that is required for the enduring of our species... Then why would someone say that 'gay' is natural - if (again) by design it wouldn't have any other purpose than the gratification between two people of the same gender? It doesn't produce anything. I was just curious as to what the reasoning was behind this thinking.

[ 03. November 2004, 18:58: Message edited by: Capt. Murphy ]

ELEN
03-11-04, 18:55
Originally posted by Anubis_AF:
Black or White, it still remains humor.When the humor becomes black, it loses its sense. You have your opinion, I have mine ;)

larasfrend
03-11-04, 19:05
Originally posted by Capt. Murphy:
I've seen this same list someplace else. http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/c-4.gif Of course Gay Marriage is okay... in the secularist mind.

Also, how come you almost never hear of an elderly gay person? Hmmm... I wonder why that is? :confused:

In all honesty, Gay marriage wouldn't hurt anyone or interfere with Straight people. It's just that it's evil.

Take for example: A teenage girl that is bulimic. Sure whatever she does - doesn't affect me in any way. But what she is doing is harming herself. Just like Gay people, whatever they do doesn't affect me, unless - like someone else mentioned, when they are out in public where innocent eyes can see, wonder, even emulate what they see - thinking it's okay. Whether its seeing two people of the same gender kissing, or Lenny and Squigy dressed as prostitutes or prom 'queens', or immitating lewd and obscene acts in a parade... http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/yuck.gif Like the teenage bulimic they are endangering their well being. With the possibility of spreading deadly diseases after going through multiple partners, or (and this depends if you think like a secularist) the *in a nasally conjested sounding voice to dogde the filter* [dab'nation] of their soul... They are making (to say the least) a mistake.

I don't say what I do out of "hate", but out of concern. :( It's Very sad knowing those people could give up their selfish ways and wanton needs for gratification. I know that may sound harsh and rather 'generalized' but you have to be honest with yourself and admit that there are Gay people like that. Maybe not all of them are that bad. http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/privateeye.gif Things like Heterosexual, Bisexual or Homosexual are just titles. We're all Human. Those other things just describe what gets our.... uh, 'motor' running. :confused:

But what do I know. I'm just a stupid Christian.

Oh, one last thing. If by design the parts of a Male and the Parts of a female not only fit together, but fulfill a purpose that is required for the enduring of our species... Then why would someone say that 'gay' is natural - if (again) by design it wouldn't have any other purpose than the gratification between two people of the same gender? It doesn't produce anything. I was just curious as to what the reasoning was behind this thinking.What an awful thing to say. First of all I'm a young member here, I'm not gay but I have NO problems whatsoever with gay people. :rolleyes: Why can't they kiss in public? It's nothing to be ashamed of. If two people love each other, no matter which sex they are, let them and give them the right to express their love in public displays of affection, just like heterosexuals do all the time. Personally I couldn't give a damn if anyone here has problems telling their make-believe kids what homosexuality is, but I agree completely with Draco and Andromeda. It's as natural as it gets. If kids are hidden away from it they WILL find it hard to express their true feelings and is that what we want for children?
People can't choose when they're born whether they want to be gay or straight. I mean why are we, people of the 21st century actually making such a big deal out of homosexuality when it was perfectly normal to the ancient civilizations such as the ancient Greeks for example. I mean it's like everyone is so closed an boxed up and just petrified, that we, mankind has taken a step back, as it where, in our ways of thinking.

How awful- the bit about body parts. I mean if god made both men and women with both reproduction organs, then we wouldn't be having this problem. So what? They're not only there to reproduce, but for pleasure too--- I mean do you seriously only have sex to add to the population? If gay people want kids, there are plenty of options including adoption which is in some ways only better than making a brand new baby.

I really find it disgusting that people can hate homosexuals, I know people who are gay and they're not different in anyway--- just imagine if you were gay and people where talking about gay people as they would talk about something wrong, it's truly appalling and unbelievably prejudiced.

Joseph
03-11-04, 19:59
You are totally right, LF. This forum stands firmly for this. We are not discussing if gay is right or not, because it is just like skincolour, gender or religion, not an issue to have an 'opinion' about, as in Global Human Rights, and on this forum.
Love is the best thing in human life. People kissing each other out of love openly, is absolutely good.
To some contributors in this thread: get educated, and quit these ignorant expressions.

[ 03. November 2004, 20:06: Message edited by: joseph ]

Thorir
03-11-04, 20:15
One reason why heterosexuals should not be allowed to marry:

IT`S BORING!!!!!!!!

Neteru
03-11-04, 21:03
As a confirmed secularist I'll make some points here.

[all quoted text:Capt.Murphy]

Also, how come you almost never hear of an elderly gay person? Hmmm... I wonder why that is?Firstly, our media in general (in the West) is youth centred. Old is not 'lively' enough, not stylish enough, not fashionable, not attractive. Secondly, old gay people don't fit with the stereotypes that the media likes to churn out, time and again, and therefor are irrelevant.

In all honesty, Gay marriage wouldn't hurt anyone or interfere with Straight people. It's just that it's evil.LMAO. Value judgement. But let's go along with your assertion for a moment. Let us suppose that it is in fact evil. I understand you are a Christian. As a Christian you must also be aware that all evil is created by your God. Therefor, by your logic, homsexuality is made by your God. It is, you might say, divine.

Just like Gay people, whatever they do doesn't affect me, unless - like someone else mentioned, when they are out in public where innocent eyes can see, wonder, even emulate what they see - thinking it's okay.You really need to get over this notion that a person is made homosexual by what they see. If your logic were to hold water, there'd be few or no homosexuals, because the greatest 'influence' we all see is heterosexual. Talk about shoving something down your throat, I've never witnessed such rampant expressions of sexuality as those of 'the heterosexual persuasion'.

...they are endangering their well being. With the possibility of spreading deadly diseases after going through multiple partners...:rolleyes: Yes yes, of course they are. Yet another stereotype that 'they' are all whores, sleeping with anyone and everyone. And what of all the heterosexuals sleeping around and spreading diseases? I suppose that's acceptable because they are heterosexual? Where is the greatest growth in sexually transmitted disease? Amongst heterosexuals.

I know that may sound harsh and rather 'generalized' but you have to be honest with yourself and admit that there are Gay people like that.Yes there are some like that, just like there are heterosexuals like that.

Oh, one last thing. If by design the parts of a Male and the Parts of a female

not only fit together, but fulfill a purpose that is required for the enduring of our species... Then why would someone say that 'gay' is natural - if (again) by design it wouldn't have any other purpose than the gratification between two people of the same gender? It doesn't produce anything. I was just curious as to what the reasoning was behind this thinking.As someone else has already said, sex is not merely for reproduction. And as for 'natural', homosexuality is prevelant throughout nature (again, a nature, that for you was created by your God). It is not just a human expression.

Draco
03-11-04, 21:12
Originally posted by Thorir:
One reason why heterosexuals should not be allowed to marry:

IT`S BORING!!!!!!!!It sure as hell dun bore me. ;)

Melonie Tomb Raider
03-11-04, 23:01
This reminds me of something I read about a year or so ago.... Some homosexual magazine asked Core if they could put Lara on the cover, and Core denied the request and later said, " Lara is not that kind of person; she would never do that!". I guess they were pretty disgusted that some one would even ask that.

Any way, y'all know where I stand on thsi issue. I am 100% against homosexuality. I think that the people who choose , yes I said choose, to be a homosexual are really mixed up. I do not hate gay people at all, I just utterly despise the act of homosexuality, it is so grotesque! http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/yuck.gif I could go on all day, but I won't. If they want to do those things they are only hurting themselves, which is a sad thing. :( If people want to be gay then they shouldn't go public with it. It's so corrupt.

[ 03. November 2004, 23:06: Message edited by: Melonie Tomb Raider ]

Melonie Tomb Raider
03-11-04, 23:13
Originally posted by Capt. Murphy:
I've seen this same list someplace else. http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/c-4.gif Of course Gay Marriage is okay... in the secularist mind.

Also, how come you almost never hear of an elderly gay person? Hmmm... I wonder why that is? :confused:

In all honesty, Gay marriage wouldn't hurt anyone or interfere with Straight people. It's just that it's evil.

Take for example: A teenage girl that is bulimic. Sure whatever she does - doesn't affect me in any way. But what she is doing is harming herself. Just like Gay people, whatever they do doesn't affect me, unless - like someone else mentioned, when they are out in public where innocent eyes can see, wonder, even emulate what they see - thinking it's okay. Whether its seeing two people of the same gender kissing, or Lenny and Squigy dressed as prostitutes or prom 'queens', or immitating lewd and obscene acts in a parade... http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/yuck.gif Like the teenage bulimic they are endangering their well being. With the possibility of spreading deadly diseases after going through multiple partners, or (and this depends if you think like a secularist or not) the *in a nasally conjested sounding voice to dogde the filter* [dab'nation] of their soul... They are making (to say the least) a mistake.

I don't say what I do out of "hate", but out of concern. :( It's Very sad knowing those people could give up their selfish ways and wanton needs for gratification. I know that may sound harsh and rather 'generalized' but you have to be honest with yourself and admit that there are Gay people like that. Maybe not all of them are that bad. http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/privateeye.gif Things like Heterosexual, Bisexual or Homosexual are just titles. We're all Human. Those other things just describe what gets our.... uh, 'motor' running. :confused:

But what do I know. I'm just a stupid Christian.

Oh, one last thing. If by design the parts of a Male and the Parts of a female not only fit together, but fulfill a purpose that is required for the enduring of our species... Then why would someone say that 'gay' is natural - if (again) by design it wouldn't have any other purpose than the gratification between two people of the same gender? It doesn't produce anything. I was just curious as to what the reasoning was behind this thinking.I really like the way you say things. you most certainly do a better job than I do. I agree with everything you said 99%!! The 1% I do not agree with is when you said, " What do I know, I'm just a stupid Christian." You couldn't have been more wrong there my friend. http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/smile.gif You are FAR from stupid! When I read your post on these forums they are always written in a very intellegent way, and I never see you write anything that I feel is very terribly written or inaccurate. Sometimes I will write post that are stated terribly and people always seem to misinterpret them because I do not write them properly.

You shouldn't say you are stupid Christian, because you're not. instead you are a very intellegent, moral Christian and I have so much respect for you. http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/smile.gif

Gabi
03-11-04, 23:15
I feel quite shocked and to a certain point - angry. And I find it hard to accept that there are people in our time and age who still think that homosexuality is "evil".
What is wrong with being homosexual??

We are all human beings with feelings, no more and no less.
Admittedly some show "too much affection" in a sexual explicit manner, change their partners frequently, prostitute themselves and transmit diseases, but that goes far more for heterosexuals than for homosexuals.

I think that people who condemn homosexuality are often not well informed and deep down frightened by it for whatever reason.
Nobody is forced to "like" gay people, but the least anyone can do is accept them for what they are : human beings .

Draco
03-11-04, 23:32
Originally posted by Melonie Tomb Raider:
Any way, y'all know where I stand on thsi issue. I am 100% against homosexuality.Why aren't you against heterosexuality?

I think that the people who choose , yes I said choose, to be a homosexual are really mixed up.On that I agree, no sane person would choose to be hated.

I do not hate gay people at all, I just utterly despise the act of homosexuality, it is so grotesque!What is 'the act of homosexuality'?

I could go on all day, but I won't.Some people here would thank God for that http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif

If they want to do those things they are only hurting themselves, which is a sad thing.They are only hurting the people who hate them for who they are.

If people want to be gay then they shouldn't go public with it. It's so corrupt.What if they don't want to be gay but they are? Is it okay to go public then?

Only corruption here is the aspect of our society that makes nature evil.

Draco
03-11-04, 23:34
Originally posted by GABI:
I feel quite shocked and to a certain point - angry. And I find it hard to accept that there are people in our time and age who still think that homosexuality is "evil".
What is wrong with being homosexual??

We are all human beings with feelings, no more and no less.
Admittedly some show "too much affection" in a sexual explicit manner, change their partners frequently, prostitute themselves and transmit diseases, but that goes far more for heterosexuals than for homosexuals.

I think that people who condemn homosexuality are often not well informed and deep down frightened by it for whatever reason.
Nobody is forced to "like" gay people, but the least anyone can do is accept them for what they are : human beings .That is correct. http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/thumb.gif

janny_c.
03-11-04, 23:39
^^That's like saying
"Psycho killers and molesters are a people with feelings too...they just express them in different way and like to kill people and disturb their lifes"

(that was pointed at everyone that thinks being homo is ok and a part of an everyday choice and life, when it's not, and even Bible is against it.)
The End

Draco
03-11-04, 23:42
Originally posted by janny_c.:
^^That's like saying
"Psycho killers and molesters are a people with feelings too...they just express them in different way and like to kill people and disturb their lifes"

(that was pointed at everyone that thinks being homo is ok and a part of an everyday choice and life, when it's not, and even Bible is against it.)
The EndPsycho killers and molesters are criminals. Homosexuals aren't.

The Bible says a lot of things. Where btw does it say Homosexuality is bad?

janny_c.
03-11-04, 23:51
Maybe you should pay attention more. I am a Christian and it doesn't affect what I think and it certainly didn't effect what I feel towards gay people,but I agree with God on this one (it may sound silly ,but you can't agree with everything that God expects from you of course).
I am a Christian,God created us, he knows what is the best for us and he certainly knows if homosexuality is right or wrong

The Biblical witness is clearly against the practice of homosexuality. God did not intend for male and male, or female and female to have sexual relations. As the popular saying goes, "God made Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve!" The OT clearly condemns homosexuality. The Law of Moses said, "You shall not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is an abomination" (Leviticus 18:22; c.f 20:13).

tazmine
04-11-04, 00:00
Quote from Melonie TombRaider:
"I think that the people who choose , yes I said choose, to be a homosexual are really mixed up."

Mel, it's no more a choice than it is a choice for you to wake up in the morning: it just is. They are what they are from the time they are born; same as for heterosexual people. Choice is not an option.

Draco
04-11-04, 00:05
Originally posted by janny_c.:
Maybe you should pay attention more. I am a Christian and it doesn't affect what I think and it certainly didn't effect what I feel towards gay people,but I agree with God on this one (it may sound silly ,but you can't agree with everything that God expects from you of course).
I am a Christian,God created us, he knows what is the best for us and he certainly knows if homosexuality is right or wrong

The Biblical witness is clearly against the practice of homosexuality. God did not intend for male and male, or female and female to have sexual relations. As the popular saying goes, "God made Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve!" The OT clearly condemns homosexuality. The Law of Moses said, "You shall not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is an abomination" (Leviticus 18:22; c.f 20:13).I grew up to believe God didn't make mistakes, but many religious people say that is what homosexuals are.

andromeda_eats
04-11-04, 00:28
Originally posted by Capt. Murphy:
But what do I know. I'm just a stupid Christian.Yes, yes you are. Couldnt have said it better myself. I too am Christian and I cant believe we love the same God. My God is fair and loves all his people, no matter who they or or what they stand for.

Homosexuality is not evil. When two people love each other it is not evil, it is never evil. Jesus came to Earth and taught us to love each other. Dont you dare tell someone that love is evil.

I know a man, named Charles, who is 64 next year. Has been gay his whole life, lives with his partner who has alzhemirs. He visits him every week in the nursing home.

I know a gay couple, Pam and Stacey, both over 50, living together for 23 years, celebrate their anniversary every year.

My friends mother, realised she was homosexual at the age of 32. Has been living with the same partner since then.

I can go on with more old gay people. Dont you dare try and tell me its a fad that young people get over. Old people, gay or straight, dont kiss in the street, its unlike them.

If what you are saying is correct, then straight infertile people should not be allowed to reproduce. If God made man and woman to have children, tell me why he made infertile people, and why he still allows them to enjoy sex.

By all means you and MTR are entitled to your opinions, but be fully informed of the facts.

Draco
04-11-04, 03:23
You go girl http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif

Thorir
04-11-04, 03:36
VERY well said, dear Andromeda_eats! http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/smile.gif

Finally someone with some brains! http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/wave.gif

janny_c.
04-11-04, 04:58
^^ http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v489/janettesbox/Miscellaneous/brightestcrayonnot.gif^^

[ 04. November 2004, 05:04: Message edited by: janny_c. ]

bumb1ebee
04-11-04, 05:19
Originally posted by Melonie Tomb Raider:
This reminds me of something I read about a year or so ago.... Some homosexual magazine asked Core if they could put Lara on the cover, and Core denied the request and later said, " Lara is not that kind of person; she would never do that!". I guess they were pretty disgusted that some one would even ask that. People asked CORE? Don't they have to ask Eidos? Anyway, Lara would never pose in sexual positions for lesbians... but for straight gamer geeks? Oh yes. :rolleyes:

Any way, y'all know where I stand on thsi issue. I am 100% against homosexuality. I think that the people who choose , yes I said choose, to be a homosexual are really mixed up. I do not hate gay people at all, I just utterly despise the act of homosexuality, it is so grotesque! http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/yuck.gif I could go on all day, but I won't. If they want to do those things they are only hurting themselves, which is a sad thing. :( If people want to be gay then they shouldn't go public with it. It's so corrupt.I find it sad that you would use the Bible as an excuse for your hatred and disgust of homosexuals. Don't say you don't hate gay people, because you obviously do. The only way you'll respect them as human beings is if they magically change their homosexuality for you.

andromeda_eats
04-11-04, 06:07
Originally posted by janny_c.:
^^ http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v489/janettesbox/Miscellaneous/brightestcrayonnot.gif^^And your definitely up there with the most prejudiced people on this forum. Congratulations.

Melonie Tomb Raider
04-11-04, 07:46
Ok.... First of all Jenny C ( Or something like that, don't remember you username totally. Sorry). I agree. If God says it's wrong then it is wrong, it's that simple.

Andromeda, what religion are you? Apparently your religion doesn't believe that the BIble is 100% true, because if your religion did believe that then you have full proof that homosexuality is wrong. It's written several times in the Bible.

And for everyone saying junk like ,' Peopel who choose to be homosexual are like you choosing to wake up, it just happens." That could not be more wrong, God created human beings as heterosexuals, but since God gave us all free will, many people have strayed off and have made a terrible decision to do outright perverted and terrible things.

A lot of people here are saying, " Why can't you be tolerant to homosexuals", well then why can't you be tolerant to us Christians? It seems like you have got a lot of bad things to say about us, but if we disagree with anything y'all agree with then we are "intolerant" or " full of hatred", when really it seems as though that's the way y'all are toward us.

Us Christians have the Bible, which states quite clearly numerous times that homosexuality is EVIL. So you expect us to ignore that and compromize our faith just so we can make the homosexuals happy? That is way too much to ask of some one. If I have cold, hard evidence in the Bible about something I will not disagree with it, for I believe the Bible is 100% true.

We have stated many times that we do not hate homosexuals, but we hate their sin. It's wrong and it's evil. Acting upon homosexuality is wrong, it's immoral, it's unbiblical, and it's perverted. If peopel choose to be like that then that's their choice and they are hurting themselves, but the problem I have is when they go public. I especially hate it when you can't go to the store without running into a homosexual. It's just wrong, no matter how you look at it.

Draco
04-11-04, 08:19
Originally posted by Melonie Tomb Raider:
If peopel choose to be like that then that's their choice and they are hurting themselves, but the problem I have is when they go public. I especially hate it when you can't go to the store without running into a homosexual. It's just wrong, no matter how you look at it.I hate repeating myself.

They DO NOT choose.

I have a problem with people making their religions public, should I speak out against them?

You are afraid of them, how else can seeing them in a store be bad for you?

andromeda_eats
04-11-04, 09:10
MTR I am Catholic. I read the same bible that you do. Here are some of my favourites that apply to what you are saying.

Matthew 7:1-2 says "Judge not, that you not be judged. For with what judgement you judge, you will be judged; and with the measure you use, it will be measured back to you."

Corinthians 13:7-8 "Love bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things. Love never ends."

Leviticus 19: 17-18 "Thou shalt not hate thybrother in thine heart: thou shalt in any wise rebuke thy neighbour, and not suffer sin upon him. Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the Lord."

The bible says a lot of things Melonie Tomb Raider.

For example: Proverbs 22:15: "Foolishness is bound up in the heart of a child, but the rod of discipline will drive it far from him."

Child abuse is now illegal because it is immoral and evil. But the bible tells us it is okay.The bible also believes that Capital Punishment is moral, which is illegal in many states, and in Australia. The bible is tells us something that we know today is not acceptable.
Leviticus 24:21 "And he that killeth a beast, he shall restore it: and he that killeth a man, he shall be put to death."

The bible tells us many things, some contradictory. God loves his people and trusts us to make the right decisions for ourselves. He trusts us to love one another and not judge another for their actions. Only God is truly good and perfect. Everyone he created in his image, and we all have our imperfections. You are not the one to judge another. You are not the one to tell another they are living their own lives incorrectly, when you do not live your life correctly. You should concentrate on your own life and your own love, you are not the one to preach to another. Only God has that power. It is evil of you to judge another and tell them that their beliefs are wrong.

Neteru
04-11-04, 10:52
Janny & Melonie. Let me educate you on two things. Firstly Janny. Homosexuality is wrong because it is an abomination? Yes, you are quite correct, it is certainly an abomination. But before you throw a quote, use a word, it is important that you know what you are saying. So Janny, what does abomination mean? I would bet you have no idea, or rather, that like many Christians who throw this term about, you think it means that something is wrong. It doesn't. Abomination means something which causes offense or disgusts. To abominate is to dislike. Picking your nose and then eating it is an abomination. Swearing is an abomination. Putting jam (jello to Americans) in a peanut butter sandwich is an abomination (to me at least). All these things disgust and offend some people in one way or another. But nowhere in the definition of the word is there any element of judgement. Nowhere! Abomination does not mean something is wrong.

Melonie, considering you have such a love of your bible and you believe it 100%, I'll remind you of another part you (and many other Christians) seem to be forgetting oh so conveniently.

Isaiah 45, verses 5, 6 & 7:

5. I am the Lord, and there is none else; beside me there is no God: I will gird thee, though thou hast not known me:

6. that they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me: I am the Lord, and there is none else.

7. I form the light, and create darkness; I make peace, and create evil; I am the Lord, that doeth all these things.

There you have it Melonie, from your own God. Telling you in the bible you believe 100% that he creates evil. If homosexuality is evil as you assert, then you must accept that your God created it. Homosexuality is God ordained! Homosexuality is of God. And as you hate it, so you hate the creation of your Lord.

Nicky
04-11-04, 12:30
Evil, wrong, immoral, abomination, unbiblical...

So many negative words. So many exaggerated words. The world would be a so much better place if we didn't put labels on everything and everyone. If we lived without prejudices and looked in the soul and the mind rather than the colour of skin, sexual preference or ideological background of the people around us. If we understood that the human nature isn't one-sided, and that there are multiple elements in all of us. If we considered that there's both the female and the male element in each and every one of us. If we realised that any expression of love is healthy, no matter from whom it stems from and to whom it is directed.

Of course this would be an ideal world. Too good to be true, I suppose :rolleyes:

boazboy
04-11-04, 14:30
And what do "hadrcore" Christians http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif have to say about The Marriage of Likeness (http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/pwh/bosrev-stanford.html) by John Boswell?

I'm as much against gay marriage as I'm against "conventional" marriage (ask Boaz about that! http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif ) but I believe this book is a very interesting study and definitely worth a read. ;)

BB http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/wave.gif

tazmine
04-11-04, 17:02
Originally posted by Nicky:
If we realised that any expression of love is healthy, no matter from whom it stems from and to whom it is directed.

So well put, Nicky. http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/thumb.gif

Capt. Murphy
04-11-04, 17:55
Why open such a topic as this? It's sole purpose is obviously meant to draw out those who believe homosexuality to be moraly wrong. Sure it makes comparisons with things that aren't wrong with something I and a very few number of others on this MB believe to be wrong -and does it in a very sarcastic manner. All this topic is - is to Bait people like me for a response, then Flame us for our beliefs. Everyone that made an argument against homosexuality; I feel, didn't get any fair treatment. Especially with remarks like:

"To some contributors in this thread: get educated, and quit these ignorant expressions."

"Yes, yes you are. I Couldnt have said it better myself."

"You go girl" [this person agreeing with said flamer] The words weren't there, but the implication was obvious.

This reminds me of my High-School French class. The teacher would let these 4 kids practically have their way. I had very little respect for her as an Authority figure. I never questioned her ability to teach. Just having control over her class, or in this case: a few miscevious students. The situation here is different, but similar in some ways.

I feel any further comments in this Topic would be pointless. Since the two viewpoints are set solidly in their opposing beliefs.

Good Bye to this topic. http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/wave.gif

larasfrend
04-11-04, 18:11
OMG Melonie. How would you like it if you were born gay and people hated you purely for something you can't do anything about? They don't have any choice and they aren't just trying to be perverted and against the rules.

Try this: I take it you're heterosexual (or I hope so, seeing as you hate gay people), try to now 'choose' to become gay. Any difference? No? Well like almost everyone said: Gay people don't have the choice from birth. I mean could you choose before you were born whether you'd like to be a boy or a girl? :rolleyes:

Gabi
04-11-04, 18:25
Melonie, Janny, Capt. Murphy

of course you are entitled to your opinion.
But how many homosexual people do you actually know?
And by "know" I mean dealing with them on a regular basis, talking to them, having fun with them, arguing with them.
I am almost sure that you know a lot more than you are aware of, because they dont all make an issue of their sexuality in public.
The nice lady from the corner shop, your postman, or your doctor may be gay without you knowing it.

To people like you who condemn homosexuality, I wish that once in your lives you have to find out that a person whom you really love with all your heart - be it a close friend or even your own child - is homosexual.
That certainly would be an eye opener and then what would you do?
Just "unlove" that person?

Psycho killers and molesters do what they do because they want to. They have a choice.
Being homosexual is NOT a matter of choice.

larasfrend
04-11-04, 20:14
Mel- I never mentioned the bible, just one thing that interests me is how do you think people can 'choose' to be gay or not? To hide their feelings of love towards others of the same sex? Do you think that people who are gay purely want to sin?

Draco
04-11-04, 20:17
I dare you to tell my brother to his face that he choose to be gay.

andromeda_eats
04-11-04, 22:53
Eric babe, calm down. Dont let them get to you. They do not know what they are saying, nor the implications. If they anger you, then they win. You know what is right in your heart. http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/hug.gif

TR3LaraCroft
05-11-04, 00:00
A lot of people here are saying, " Why can't you be tolerant to homosexuals", well then why can't you be tolerant to us Christians? It seems like you have got a lot of bad things to say about us, but if we disagree with anything y'all agree with then we are "intolerant" or " full of hatred", when really it seems as though that's the way y'all are toward us I have noticed the same thing! Well said!

My God is fair and loves all his people, no matter who they or or what they stand for.
I don`t know how many people I`ve heard say "My God". Last time was my dad ( quick note* my parents are divorced, He now owes 52,000 dolors in child support. I think he is in Mexico right now .) He was saying My God dosn`t judge me. Which basically means the God he has fashioned for himself. People like to pick and choose what parts of Gods word they follow and what they don`t.

Since we are all entitled to our our opinions I`m going to state mine. I believe God created us Man and Woman. I also believe marriage is between a man and a woman.I have my faith and my beliefs. It is a sin! .It is natural for them, and for all of us, to be tempted to do things that God says are wrong. In the same way, pedophiles and adulterers (alcoholics, drug addicts, etc.) don't make a conscious decision to "choose" that self-destructive lifestyle; they simply give in to their sinful desires.

Nobody is forced to "like" gay people, but the least anyone can do is accept them for what they are : human beings . Of course they should be treated like Human beings! They may live that life style. ...but, I don`t support it.


The Bible says a lot of things. Where btw does it say Homosexuality is bad? Matthew Chapter 19: 4, 5
4 And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female,

5 And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?

'You shall not lie with a male as with a woman. It is an abomination' (Leviticus 18:22; see also Leviticus 20:13).

An article on the subject:

The issue of homosexual behavior has had a lot of publicity of late. Homosexuals say that the slaves have been freed and women have been liberated, so gay rights are long overdue. Society does seem to be moving in that direction. Many homosexuals are "coming out" and openly declaring their homosexuality. In many parts of the western world, homosexual couples receive the same recognition as heterosexual couples with regard to social security benefits. Some church leaders are giving their blessing to homosexual relationships, homosexual church members and even homosexual ministers.

Many people say:

They are made that way.

Homosexuality is of no harm to the participants or to anyone else.

If it feels right to those involved, it is nobody else's business.

Homosexual relationships and heterosexual relationships are equally valid. (Some even claim that the Bible condones homosexual relationships.)

Made that way?

Since other groups who have been discriminated against (such as women, blacks and the disabled) have been given equal opportunity, homosexuals claim that they, too, should be liberated. However, as one Christian expert has said...

"Gender, race and impairment all relate to what a person is, whereas homosexuality relates to what a person does."1

Genesis also teaches that God instituted and designed marriage between a man and a woman (Genesis 2:18-25). There are a number of reasons why He did so.

The complementary structure of the male and female anatomy is obviously designed for the normal husband-wife relationships. Clearly, design in human biology supports heterosexuality and contradicts homosexuality.

The combination of male and female enables man (and the animals) to produce and nurture offspring as commanded in Genesis 1:28'Be fruitful and multiply; fill the earth'. This command is repeated to Noah after the Flood (Genesis 8:15-17). But procreation is not the only reason God made humans as sexual beings. The BUWA report affirms 'that sexual intimacy between husband and wife is good, and is intended by God for bonding, pleasure and procreation.'7

Thirdly, God gave man and woman complementary roles in order to strengthen the family unit. Woman was to be the helper that man needed (Genesis 2:18). However, the woman's role as the helpmate is certainly not an inferior one. The enterprising God-fearing woman in Proverbs 31:10-31 is an inspiring role model

Andrew Lansdown points out that 'homosexual activity is notoriously disease-prone. In addition to diseases associated with heterosexual promiscuity, homosexual actions facilitate the transmission of anal herpes, hepatitis B, intestinal parasites, Kaposi's Sarcoma and AIDS.'1 Research on the life expectancy of a group of homosexual men in Canada in the early 1990s indicated that they could expect 8-21 years less lifespan than other men.
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[ 05. November 2004, 03:57: Message edited by: TR3LaraCroft ]

Isabella
05-11-04, 00:08
Originally posted by Melonie Tomb Raider:

Oh, and anotehr thing for Andromeda. You call Capt. Murphy a stupid Christian when you seriously have your facts wrong. You see, to my knowledge, Capt. Murphy believes the Bible to be all true, so when the bible says homosexuality is wrong then he believes it. And you claim to be a Christian, yet you believe man's law before you believe the law of God. So apparently, if any one is stupid it's definately not Capt. Murphy.
[/b]I too was raised Catholic but I learned to tell the difference between what was symbolic and what was literal in the bible. I have a hard time believing that god would smite someone just because of their sexual preferance. If your going to take the bible literally than all women would be barefoot and pregnant, living only to serve their husband...Or is that ok with you?

Originally posted by Melonie Tomb Raider:
Oh, and Draco. In reply to your comment that I must be "afraid" of homosexuals. Trust me when I say this, the last thing I would be afraid of is a feminine, flamboyant, homosexual. There is nothing to be afraid of. The reason why they shouldn't go public with their homosexuality is because it is perverted and corrupt.[/b]Perverted and corrupt to whom? If there are people out there who are so feeble as to be corrupted by the display of affection between two women or men then I think that person has some issues which need to be worked out before they can pass judgement.

Originally posted by Melonie Tomb Raider:
Oh, and I don't know how many times i have to repeat myself on this, because people keep saying " how would you feel if you were bron homosexual". People are NOT born homosexual, they CHOOSE to be that way. [/b]Really? Not one of my lesbian or gay friends 'chose' to be that way. Why would anyone chose to be in such a discriminated minority?

janny_c.
05-11-04, 00:14
First of all, I got to say that I complitely agree with MelonieTombRaider and TR3LaraCroft and wise words they said.

Now something I've got to add....

Originally posted by Neteru:
Janny & Melonie. Let me educate you on two things. Firstly Janny. Homosexuality is wrong because it is an abomination? Yes, you are quite correct, it is certainly an abomination. But before you throw a quote, use a word, it is important that you know what you are saying. So Janny, what does abomination mean?Actually I DO know what abomination means, Nateru, and I wouldn't say sometihng without the hard facts. As for Andromeda, I don't know what your religion is, but I bet that that you haven't actually quite listened to yourself now have you, since calling eveyone wrong or prejudical is ok to you.
Now Nateru, I don't need an education, especially from you, no offence, I disagree, you disagree, it's the way it goes, as it can be seen.
Now, I read andromeda's "parts of Bible" and I can say that you got it mixed-up. Loving is good, but in a WRONG way, it isn't. Now we don't judge, we have our own thoughts....oh and they matched God's words so that should deffinately say something.

Isaiah 45, verses 5, 6 & 7:

7. I form the light, and create darkness; I make peace, and create evil; I am the Lord, that doeth all these things.

There you have it Melonie, from your own God. Telling you in the bible you believe 100% that he creates evil. If homosexuality is evil as you assert, then you must accept that your God created it."from your own God". So who exactly is YOUR god?
Well this certainly explains a lot of things.
1st commandment (since we'r going all biblical)
Have no other Gods

He creates evil...hmm, I'm pretty sure that by going all this time to church, that sentence means he created the world, all of us with a free will...and with a free will comes a free choice. People decide to do the wrong things, sin, and being homosexual is one. Also, include the whole verse please.
I don't hate them, I hate sin like lot of people said.
And I am right to do so.
J.C.

andromeda_eats
05-11-04, 00:17
This is how I know I will pass my exam in biology!

TR3LaraCroft this is for you and anyone else who blames HIV/AIDS on homosexuals. The following information is from the WHO website. (World Health Organisation)

AIDS began in Africa in the 1980's, transmitted to humans by primates and was spread by HETEROSEXUAL men and woman. It was then brought to many countries including the US. I quote: "Today the disease has become overwhelmingly, a heterosexuals disease with over 75% of AIDS spread by heterosexual intercourse."

Over 50% of infected people are woman, and the two highest modes of AIDS transmission is through IV-drug users and through mother to fetal transmission.

In developed countries, homosexual AIDS transmission has been reduced to a negligable amount. Governments have swiftly controlled homosexual AIDS transmission and the rapid epidemic of AIDS and the blame of its transmission should be pointed elsewhere. http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/wave.gif

andromeda_eats
05-11-04, 00:22
Janny.C for the last time I AM CATHOLIC. Read my posts. I know exactly what I am saying. You are discriminating against another minority for their beliefs and practices. That is prejudice. Just as the Jews were persecuted for their beliefs in your precious bible, so too you are judging and rejecting homosexuals. You are prejudice. Deal with it. http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/wave.gif

janny_c.
05-11-04, 00:35
"You are discriminating against another minority for their beliefs and practices"

Aha..oh I'm sorry, maybe next time writing in bold caps will take your attention more and stop highly protecting gay people and even consider other people's thoughts.
Saying I'm discriminating against some beliefs and practices, it's saying the same thing for everyone else that has same opinion, and disagreeing with you.
As for disagreeing with you, don't be so sensitive, I know you don't agree ,but lying and calling people names it's not going to solve anything http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/wave.gif

Stop pointing fingers and being hypocritical for once pls http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/whistle.gif

andromeda_eats
05-11-04, 00:42
m not lying. And Im not discriminating against Catholics, Janny, I am a Catholic. That makes absolutely no sense. http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/wave.gif I respect your opinions.

I am not pointing fingers at you. You said something. I am challenging it. Again, you make no sense.

I am not prejudice against Catholics. I believe that everyone is entitled to their views and I respect that. I believe that Catholics and their religion and lifestyles should be respected, and I do that. However I also believe that homosexuals should be respected, and entitled to live their lives themselves and make their own choices.

You make your choices, homosexuals make theirs.

I am not the hypocrite.

http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/c-3.gif

janny_c.
05-11-04, 01:01
Originally posted by andromeda_eats:
m not lying. And Im not discriminating against Catholics, Janny, I am a Catholic. That makes absolutely no sense.
I am not pointing fingers at you. You said something. I am challenging it.
However I also believe that homosexuals should be respected, and entitled to live their lives themselves and make their own choices.
You make your choices, homosexuals make theirs.I'm not a Catholic, I'm a Christian.
Now as I know it, and I do, Catholics also are against it , it seems like people that are Catholics and share your thoughts are those of a free minds....

And for the "makes no sense" part..
Something that doesn't makes sence to you, means you should pay more attention :D

"homosexual make theirs"
Yes, and they are sinful. I'm not judging, don't challenge the words mmkay, I'm saying how it is, and how Bible says, and I complitely agree.
Oh wait a minute...oh my...is it true..
Homosexual make theirs (desicions)
That's what Melonie has been trying to tell you all this time. It looks like Andromeda maaybe, just maybee is seeing things now.

andromeda_eats
05-11-04, 01:14
Homosexuals have no choice when it comes to their sexuality. They do however, have every right to live their own lives, free of prejudice and discrimination, just as all humans do. My beliefs could never be swayed, especially not by you.

Draco
05-11-04, 01:16
What you religious people are not getting through your heads is that homosexuality is not a CHOICE. It is or it isn't, and there is scientific proof of that.

janny_c.
05-11-04, 01:19
Originally posted by Draco:
It is or it isn't, and there is scientific proof of that.............?

complex
05-11-04, 01:27
One day, someone will finish the job Charles Darwin started and prove scientificlly that the whole notion of "God" is utter twaddle.

Then the religious bigots will have nothing upon which to base their despicable hatred.

Draco
05-11-04, 01:28
Physiological sex and Psychological sex are not always congruent. And many times even the body is confused as to which sex it is (ie. Hermaphrodites). Sexusality is dependent on two things, testosterone and estrogen.

Obviously you won't get a perfect cut all the time, which means that sometimes you have female brains in male bodies, and visa versa. It isn't some whacked out thing that people made up to explain why they are attracted to the same sex.

When the Bible was written, the laws at that time were barbaric to say the least. Whether or not it is a mandate of god, it is still more accurately a guide book. Even god says that is what it is. But guide books can be wrong...especially when you can't even read them in their original context.

When the translation texts were done to the Tora and the Testament, the Roman Catholic Church changed a lot of things it didn't agree with. And/or it paraphrased the meaning.

Basically, don't take your holy book literally word for word, because you are reading the tome of a scribe, not the works of a god.

Draco
05-11-04, 01:29
Originally posted by complex:
One day, someone will finish the job Charles Darwin started and prove scientificlly that the whole notion of "God" is utter twaddle.

Then the religious bigots will have nothing upon which to base their despicable hatred.Actually for that to happen all we have to do is find life off of Earth.

janny_c.
05-11-04, 01:41
Originally posted by Draco:
Physiological sex and Psychological sex are not always congruent. And many times even the body is confused as to which sex it is (ie. Hermaphrodites).

Obviously you won't get a perfect cut all the time, which means that sometimes you have female brains in male bodies, and visa versa.

Basically, don't take your holy book literally word for word, because you are reading the tome of a scribe, not the works of a god.Like you said,not everything is made perfect, and I can see your scientific way, but scientific ways usually blinds people of real stuff that's going on....
what science can't prove, doesn't mean it's not there.
That's what the word mystery is for.
And Bibe right now is giving me enough answers, and I rather trust people that were with the God or the son of god, then someone with their scientific stuff and something they think and like to think..or choose to think, for that matter, thankyouverymuch.
The Bible is based upon God's work, it sure ain't the other way around, don't you worry :rolleyes:

I'm a christian to a normal hight, not a priestess to follow and read into everything that is writen in Bible, so don't use that as your excuse now or next time.

Draco
05-11-04, 01:51
Science will never prove god doesn't exist, simply because god was created not to exist.

janny_c.
05-11-04, 01:58
But us not seeing him doesn't mean he doesn't exist :D
I hope that last post was not atheist....heh http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v489/janettesbox/Smilies/shadyerrr.gif

[ 05. November 2004, 02:00: Message edited by: janny_c. ]

tazmine
05-11-04, 02:05
Originally posted by complex:
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Then the religious bigots will have nothing upon which to base their despicable hatred.[/QB]I do despise hatred disguised as religion. Hi, Complex. http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/wave.gif

Draco
05-11-04, 02:08
Originally posted by janny_c.:
But us not seeing him doesn't mean he doesn't exist :D
I hope that last post was not atheist....heh http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v489/janettesbox/Smilies/shadyerrr.gifI am not an Athiest, I simply refuse to worship a being that gets its jollies making people follow pillars of smoke for 40 years.

tazmine
05-11-04, 02:48
Originally posted by Draco:
What you religious people are not getting through your heads is that homosexuality is not a CHOICE. It is or it isn't, and there is scientific proof of that.What on earth http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/c-1.gif http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/c-1.gif http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/c-1.gif does it take for them to realize that? http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/c-1.gif http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/c-1.gif http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/c-1.gif But, even then, where do you all get off thinking that you have the answers to the questions of the universe?
Most people realize that the more education they have, the less they know: this does not seem to work for the (am I ever going to get into trouble here :D ) Bible-thumpers.

larasfrend
05-11-04, 17:40
Ok So let me get this straight. People are actually thinking that gay people wake up in the morning and wonder shall I choose to be straight or gay today? Gay! Because then I can be discriminated! I mean Janny, Mel- ok can you CHOOSE right now to be gay? :rolleyes:

Black Dagger
22-05-11, 18:15
PMSL, do you know how much of a bigot you sound?...

"The act of Homosexuality is wrong"...

And here was me thinking that in the year 2011 people would have a right to live the lives they want to live... I just think your whole argument sounds extremely petty and you come across as quite bitter, it was actually grotesque having to read what you had to say :/...

lara c. fan
22-05-11, 18:19
Bump much? O_o

Nerd For Life
22-05-11, 18:20
Lmao, what the hell? xD

Shirley_Manson
22-05-11, 18:26
What a provocation.
It's alive, it's alive!!!

Encore
22-05-11, 18:29
Digging for threads to be angry at.... What a fail.

Besides, obvious troll was obvious.

Mad Tony
22-05-11, 18:32
Who the hell bumps a thread from 2004? I'd just turned 11 when this thread was created (I'm now 18 in a couple of months) FFS.

Tony9595
22-05-11, 18:33
I wonder how new members come here and find these kind of threads... what were they looking for in a TR forum? I mean, we have lots of topics here but still for a new member to come here and dig this kind of thread... :confused:

But then again, it may be just me... :p


[Or maybe this member might not be that "new" :pi:]

jaywalker
22-05-11, 18:43
Seriously no need to open a 7 year old thread!