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Killercowz

01-02-12, 21:16

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Fans of rival soccer teams in Egypt storm the field with rocks and bottles, sparking a stampede.http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/soccer-dirty-tackle/least-70-dead-mass-pitch-invasion-egyptian-match-194630879.html

A massive pitch invasion in Port Said, Egypt, following a match between defending champions Al Ahly and fourth-place Al Masry has, according to state television (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-16845841), led to at least 73 deaths and more than 1,000 injured in one of the most horrific and large-scale instances of football stadium violence in recent memory. The violence appears to have far more to do with politics and the country's recent revolution than it does with the sporting event that preceded it, though.
Outnumbered riot police and members of the military appeared to do little as thousands of Al Masry fans poured out of the stands after their side won the match 3-1. They then chased Al Ahly's players and fans into a corner of the stadium before throwing rocks and bottles at them. Others were beaten with sticks and stabbed.
Video of the attack shows that the police presence around the field of play largely stood idle as the violence unfolded. Why fans of the winning side would decide to launch such a sickening attack still remains unclear, but there are growing theories that it was politically motivated and that the lack of police efforts to stop it may have been intentional. Football and politics are very closely linked in Egypt and the militant fans (known as "ultras") of Al Ahly "played an in important role in the protests that early [last] year toppled President Hosni Mubarak," according to Middle East soccer blogger James Dorsey (http://mideastsoccer.blogspot.com/2011/12/egyptian-battle-lines-harden-as-ultras.html).
As a result of this attack, the Egyptian league was suspended indefinitely, and a stadium in Cairo was reportedly set on fire when a match between Al Ismailia and Zamalek was postponed.
A sick tragedy.
It's just... stupid.

What makes me even more sick, is that the police just did nothing.
The middle east is a screwed up place.

Catapharact

01-02-12, 21:24

The middle east is a screwed up.

Ok, I admit that there is much in the Middle East that is screwed up but, now you are just being a pigeonholing moron considering the fact that riots of this nature are pretty much common in Western Nations as well.

Example: The moronic Vancouver Riots of 2011:

http://news.nationalpost.com/2011/06/16/photos-riots-fire-destruction-after-vancouvers-loss/

Carbon

01-02-12, 21:29

I have to agree with the OP, they need to sort themselves out otherwise what else can we thing apart from them being 'screwed-up'.

TBH, They are wasting their time...

TheRCroft

01-02-12, 21:29

Either in the Middle East or in Vancouver, killing people because of a sport is stupid, ridiculous and revolting.

larafan25

01-02-12, 21:31

Either in the Middle East or in Vancouver, killing people because of a sport is stupid, ridiculous and revolting.

Lara thinks it's fine.

TheRCroft

01-02-12, 21:34

Lara thinks it's fine.

I don't know if you're serious or not but, if you are, let me just say that Lara does that when people interfere with her work, in her path and she still feels bad about it, because she wouldn't have killed them if she had a choice. This is a completely different situation.

Killercowz

01-02-12, 21:41

Ok, I admit that there is much in the Middle East that is screwed up but, now you are just being a pigeonholing moron considering the fact that riots of this nature are pretty much common in Western Nations as well.

Example: The moronic Vancouver Riots of 2011:

http://news.nationalpost.com/2011/06/16/photos-riots-fire-destruction-after-vancouvers-loss/
I admit it was a pretty ignorant generalization for me to say what I said. However the reason for this riot supposedly had far more to do with politics rather than the actual sport, hence the comment I made.

The violence appears to have far more to do with politics and the country's recent revolution than it does with the sporting event that preceded it, though. Outnumbered riot police and members of the military appeared to do little as thousands of Al Masry fans poured out of the stands after their side won the match 3-1. They then chased Al Ahly's players and fans into a corner of the stadium before throwing rocks and bottles at them. Others were beaten with sticks and stabbed.
Video of the attack shows that the police presence around the field of play largely stood idle as the violence unfolded. Why fans of the winning side would decide to launch such a sickening attack still remains unclear, but there are growing theories that it was politically motivated and that the lack of police efforts to stop it may have been intentional. Football and politics are very closely linked in Egypt and the militant fans (known as "ultras") of Al Ahly "played an in important role in the protests that early [last] year toppled President Hosni Mubarak," according to Middle East soccer blogger James Dorsey (http://mideastsoccer.blogspot.com/2011/12/egyptian-battle-lines-harden-as-ultras.html).
As a result of this attack, the Egyptian league was suspended indefinitely, and a stadium in Cairo was reportedly set on fire when a match between Al Ismailia and Zamalek was postponed.
Did you read the OP?

Apathetic

01-02-12, 21:44

Nevermind.

Catapharact

01-02-12, 21:48

I admit it was a pretty ignorant generalization for me to say what I said. However the reason for this riot supposedly had far more to do with politics rather than the actual sport, hence the comment I made.

Did you read the OP?

I did read the OP and the matter of passion related to the sport is irrelevant. But if you are indeed taking the political angle to the situation at hand, then IMO by comparison to the Vancouver riots, this riot makes a whole lot more (twisted) sense.

Political passion leads to riots and killing = Idiotically plausible (but still needs harsh punishment and a good dose of police brutality.)

Team losing leads to riots and killing = Your mother and father must have dropped you on your head a thousand times when you were a baby.

scoopy_loopy

01-02-12, 22:24

Urgh. Violent people are stupid. :rolleyes:

Alpharaider47

01-02-12, 22:53

I don't know if you're serious or not but, if you are, let me just say that Lara does that when people interfere with her work, in her path and she still feels bad about it, because she wouldn't have killed them if she had a choice. This is a completely different situation.

That's still murder :p

Uzi master

01-02-12, 23:00

Killercowz

01-02-12, 23:03

I did read the OP and the matter of passion related to the sport is irrelevant. But if you are indeed taking the political angle to the situation at hand, then IMO by comparison to the Vancouver riots, this riot makes a whole lot more (twisted) sense.

Political passion leads to riots and killing = Idiotically plausible (but still needs harsh punishment and a good dose of police brutality.)
Team losing leads to riots and killing = Your mother and father must have dropped you on your head a thousand times when you were a baby.

Violence is violence, nothing good ever comes of it. More of it isn't needed, especially in the Middle East. The point that I am trying to make is that the police and military did absolutely nothing as seventy three innocent people were murdered for the sake of political passion. I was just pointing out that something like this is the result of politics, and there was minimal effort to try and stop it.

Violence is never really more justifiable than any other violence, so comparing it to the Vancouver riots in the first place is nonsensical.

With the Middle East being out of control I stand by what I said because it's true to an extent. These occurrences do seem to happen in Western Culture but Western culture does not face other chaos and disorder that occurs in the Middle East. When events like the Vancouver riots happen, Western Culture is seen to be flawed to a certain extent, I never said it wasn't or comparatively pointed it out against the Middle East, I guess that's what I'm doing now.
Your first comment calling me a moron was completely unwarranted.

Since originally you were comparing this to the Vancouver riots, at least the police tried stopping the fuss, instead with this recent riot, the police did absolutely nothing making it obvious that the infrastructure of the Middle East is flawed/corrupt/screwed up. ect.

Catapharact

01-02-12, 23:04

You failed to mention the death-toll from the Vancouver riots, 0.

As terrible as it was at least we didn't have anyone killed.

This however:rolleyes:

2 deaths actually. One a stabbing of a Bruins fan and the other, collateral damage related death.

EDIT:

Violence is violence, nothing good ever comes of it. More of it isn't needed, especially in the Middle East. The point that I am trying to make is that the police and military did absolutely nothing as seventy three innocent people were murdered for the sake of political passion. I was just pointing out that something like this is the result of politics, and there was minimal effort to try and stop it.

Violence is never really more justifiable than any other violence, so comparing it to the Vancouver riots in the first place is nonsensical.

Your opinion in the matter is seriously flawed because you are trying to justify your pigeonholing with the greater problem of violence related to politics. First of all, yes, violence is violence and it cannot be justified in anyway but to compare an issue which has severe prospects and problems in GENERAL (ESPECIALLY in an area of the world that has seen little turbulence interms of revolution, poverty, war, etc. but violence just occurs because some moronic people were feeling bored just amps up the issue with stupid mentality of the demographic involved.)

So if you are comparing and contrasting the situations, I find it MORE ridiculous that a violent riot breaks out in the part of the world that did not see any revolution related problems or political bloodshead, and that it occured just for the SAKE of causing damage. That is quite concerning to say the least. So yes, I am perfectly justified in calling you a moron since you ARE pigeonholing the situation.

Do you like people pigeonholing the NATO Military as blood thirsty monsters if few of its soliders so haywire and do terrible things to locals in warzone areas? Do you like people pigeonholing Americans as ignorant and stupid? If your answer is no then you best change your own habits to reflect your views.

Catapharact

01-02-12, 23:15

EDIT: Oops! DP.

Greenapple968

01-02-12, 23:22

This is why I prefer snooker.

benjamin_2010

01-02-12, 23:23

Wait where's my plane ticket, I've just been dyiinnnggg to go visit one of these crazy places..

Killercowz

02-02-12, 00:31

Your opinion in the matter is seriously flawed because you are trying to justify your pigeonholing with the greater problem of violence related to politics
I made the generalization that the Middle East is unstable/screwed up because it is.
It is almost fact.
I did not say that the Middle East is a mess just because of this SOLE occurrence. This occurrence in combination with all the other situations of the Middle East makes it...
*drum roll*

Unstable.

I am not familiar with the word pigeonholing by the way, I assume it means generalization.
Which by the way are generally most of the time correct.

First of all, yes, violence is violence and it cannot be justified in anyway but to compare an issue which has severe prospects and problems in GENERAL (ESPECIALLY in an area of the world that has seen little turbulence interms of revolution, poverty, war, etc.) OK so just because these people who started these riots have political passion as their motives make them more acceptable to cause violence? That's basically what your saying I can't interpret it any other way, this is contrary to your claims that "violence cannot be justified in anyway."
And like I said, I never originally compared and contrasted the Vancouver riots, come to think of it who did that anyway?
Oh right, you.
Example: The moronic Vancouver Riots of 2011:

http://news.nationalpost.com/2011/06/16/photos-riots-fire-destruction-after-vancouvers-loss/
but violence just occurs because some moronic people were feeling bored just amps up the issue with stupid mentality of the demographic involved.So essentially if moronic people cause violence, violence is moronic.
Making this occurrence moronic which is what I've been saying all along and you've been saying otherwise? I guess, I''m not really sure.

So if you are comparing and contrasting the situations, I find it MORE ridiculous that a violent riot breaks out in the part of the world that did not see any revolution related problems or political bloodshead, and that it occured just for the SAKE of causing damage. That is quite concerning to say the least. So yes, I am perfectly justified in calling you a moron since you ARE pigeonholing the situation. I never said any riot was more moronic than the other, they are both moronic and neither is justifiable in any sense. The way that the Middle East riot was handled though was poor in comparison to the Vancouver riot at least officers were trying to stop the violence, the Middle East officers did barely anything, pretty much nothing, this reflects the corrupt infrastructure of Egypt and other Middle East nations.
Do you like people pigeonholing the NATO Military as blood thirsty monsters if few of its soliders so haywire and do terrible things to locals in warzone areas? I'm indifferent on the subject, I couldn't give a rats ass.

Do you like people pigeonholing Americans as ignorant as stupid? .A lot of Americans are ignorant, it's true, but I can't say I "like" it...
I'm indifferent.
I don't really care.

Catapharact

02-02-12, 00:49

I made the generalization that the Middle East is unstable/screwed up because it is.
It is almost fact.
I did not say that the Middle East is a mess just because of this SOLE occurrence. This occurrence in combination with all the other situations of the Middle East makes it...
*drum roll*

Unstable.

And again, I am going to call you out on it and once again I am going to call you on your pigeonholing (generalizing) because if your definition of Middle East is limited to areas like countries that RECENTLY went through revolutions, have basically the same basic violent nature as say... UAE? Or Jordan? Because as far as your view of the Middle East is concerned, you are proving the idea that Americans ARE ignorant right.

OK so just because these people who started these riots have political passion as their motives make them more acceptable to cause violence? That's basically what your saying I can't interpret it any other way, this is contrary to your claims that "violence cannot be justified in anyway."
And like I said, I never originally compared and contrasted the Vancouver riots, come to think of it who did that anyway? Oh right, you. I never said any riot was more moronic than the other, they are both moronic and neither is justifiable in any sense. The way that the Middle East riot was handled though was poor in comparison to the Vancouver riot at least officers were trying to stop the violence, the Middle East officers did barely anything, pretty much nothing, this reflects the corrupt infrastructure of Egypt and other Middle East nations.

Offcourse not. I actually quite perfectly pointed out quite a few time in my second post to you that this situation is wrong and quite problematic, but (if you know anything about soccer, you will know that) hoolaganism in soccer is quite common and has a frequency of popping up quite often in European nations where the sport is quite popular. Again, the comparison and contrast was not made out of JUSTIFYING this riot but pointing out at your flawed finger pointing at Middle East in general as the source of the problem for this riot.

Compare this situation with that of the Heysel Stadium Disaster for instance:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heysel_Stadium_disaster

Thirty-nine Juventus fans died and 600 were injured in that riot. Now... Should I start blaming and co-relationg Europe with violence? Once again, this comes down to you and your generalization.

I'm indifferent on the subject, I couldn't give a rats ass. A lot of Americans are ignorant, it's true, but I can't say I "like" it... I'm indifferent. I don't really care.

Speaks volumes about you and your general outlook on things actually but that is another topic of discussion.

Poke Warrior

02-02-12, 18:06

Its sad for all those who lost someone, but tbh some people take Football WAAAAAY to serious.....

Mad Tony

02-02-12, 18:26

Its sad for all those who lost someone, but tbh some people take Football WAAAAAY to serious.....It's more than just football. There are definitely political undertones here.

Tragic loss of life.

voltz

02-02-12, 20:50

Best solution is to ban all games there and make sure the public takes the blame for it. Yes even the gov can go home and take their ball with them.

TRULuverzz

02-02-12, 20:52

Heard about it, Ughh it's so pathetic! Just gives me more excuses to leave Egypt.

remote91

02-02-12, 20:52

I hate football.

And riots.

Even worse when they get together.

Ikas90

02-02-12, 21:02

What a joke. What an absolute joke.

Lara's Nemesis

04-02-12, 04:33

Either in the Middle East or in Vancouver, killing people because of a sport is stupid, ridiculous and revolting.

Doubt whether it had anything to do with football really.

Sir Croft

04-02-12, 04:43

Political issues related or not, this is ****ed up. It cannot be justified, or even comprehended, anyone that thinks it can is a moron. Killing innocent people isn't revolution.

lcroft_lc

04-02-12, 05:00

Even players fight too sometime-
ftFdFV_b00s

Reggie

04-02-12, 12:50

How tragic. This sort of stuff really put me off football as I was growing up. Its more like a religion than a game to these kind of people. I do worry for the human race when I see such instances of large scale moronic behaviour leading to the loss of innocent lives.

I do agree that this shouldn't be seen as just a 'middle eastern' problem. To extrapolate an incident that happens to take place in the middle east across the entire culture and its system of values is just wrong. If anyone gets a chance, check out Edward Said's theories and exploration of Orientalism.

Mad Tony

04-02-12, 12:52

Reggie

04-02-12, 12:58

^Undertones, yes but football has had its disproportionate number of riots and examples of hooliganism. I'm not generalising (because I really don't want to argue about how I might've been seen to generalise again) but football does have a reputation. Just look at this Wiki article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Football_hooliganism

I'm not claiming everything in that article to be unbiased and completely correct but the size of the compilation of incidences of varying severity across the world would suggest that incident wasn't just a political protest.

Mad Tony

04-02-12, 13:46