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Jami393
31-03-12, 19:34
I was wondering if Angie actually did any of her own stunts in either of the TR movies? I know she did the the one from the chandelier in the first one, but that is well it.

NRO.
31-03-12, 19:36
I'd kill to see that picture of her stuntman again.

Admles
31-03-12, 19:45
Depends on who you ask. She had stunt doubles, and there were pics of them too in action, but some rabid fans will tell you how she was better than the double, so she ended up doing them all blah blah blah

I remember the jet-ski flips were done by a male

TippingWater
31-03-12, 20:07
http://www.nikkiberwick.com/tombraider3.JPG

http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRrBDzPf9-K691BwrmXjHA0jMMW8W0pKoL05q_qCHwfwlbVRENfoC6AL0xK

http://i.ytimg.com/vi/tQHTAU9KB5M/0.jpg

NRO.
31-03-12, 20:10
LOL, second one. There he is! xD

Jami393
31-03-12, 20:40
Can we please get back to my question in which I asked, did Angelina do any of her stunts?

Big Lara Fan
31-03-12, 20:45
She did almost all of her own stunts. There were a few where doubles were needed to prevent any legal/insurance issues with Angie if injuries were to occur. If you watch the behind the scenes stunts for both the Tomb Raider movies, the directors and Angie herself explain this.

aussie500
01-04-12, 04:09
Can we please get back to my question in which I asked, did Angelina do any of her stunts?

She did nothing dangerious, so it depends on your definition of stunt. She got to hang around safely suspended by a harness, got to jump onto some nice soft safe surfaces that were not too far away, was allowed to play with weapons provided they were not sharp enough she could somehow manage to hurt herself, got to be attached to a ride pretending to be an underwater propulsion unit. She was allowed to ride the jet ski but not do any stunts, and got to sit on a bike as it was moved across the room by a mechanical gadget. She even got to sit in a jeep, that she was not driving and watch the scenery and occasional shrubbery go by. All the actual stunts that went with that, that required skill or was dangerious someone else did to make Angelina look good. Then Angelina got to say she did all her own stunts. She did some.

The best thing Angelina did was ride the beam in the first movie. Not very far off the ground mind you and she still had a safety harness on to ensure she could not fall off. Anything filmed further up would have been done by the stunt double. At first they would not even let her do that much but apparently the stunt double could not manage to get up from a prone position. The beam itself was moved automatically, All Angelina had to do was get up and look like she was actually doing something, which is why she is a good actress. They act, they pretend to do things, they do not do real stunts, the insurance people would never allow them to do anything dangerious. Still actors manage to hurt themselves even falling on nice soft surfaces, or walking into things, the film would never get done if the director actually allowed them to do anything dangerious. The star would be spending all their time in hospital!

If Angelina did all the fancy trick riding in the shooting scene in the second movie it was not bad, but having had Angelina say once she did all her own stunts when it was obvious she did not, I no longer believed Angelina did any. She had fun doing the bungie ballet, but that was not really dangerious. Angelina went no where near the ground while doing it, the lower stuff was done another way.

And it is easy to jump off a chandelier with safety ropes and guide wires, they never trusted her to jump onto the chandelier. She stood there for her close up, very dangerious that, standing around is not usually considered a stunt.

Tonyrobinson
01-04-12, 04:41
Angelina did all of her own stunts!

APRIL FOOLS! Trolololo! :vlol:

XtremeJenn
01-04-12, 07:09
I remember the jet-ski flips were done by a male

As well as the wingsuit base jump. Both of the jumpers in that scene are from a Swedish base jumping team, I forget the name of it. One of the guys runs the world base race now.

http://movieclips.com/Q3FKi-lara-croft-tomb-raider-the-cradle-of-life-movie-wingsuit-escape/

Admles
01-04-12, 07:49
As well as the wingsuit base jump. Both of the jumpers in that scene are from a Swedish base jumping team, I forget the name of it. One of the guys runs the world base race now.

http://movieclips.com/Q3FKi-lara-croft-tomb-raider-the-cradle-of-life-movie-wingsuit-escape/
I'm not surprised.

Stars and the directors / producers etc will always say crap like "oh they did all their own stunts", but it's crap - honestly, there is no way they are going to risk the star of a multi-million dollar movie getting injured. Stunt doubles can be replaced easily, but the star? Not so much!

WWETombRaider
01-04-12, 09:01
Well she said she did all that motorbike, jet-ski, handling the shotgun and propelling down a rock cliff stunts + minor injuries. Can't be sure if that's true though.

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TippingWater
01-04-12, 09:29
I'm not surprised.
Stunt doubles can be replaced easily, but the star? Not so much!

Reading that kinda made me sad :(. Oh well it's a doggie dog world out there!

aussie500
01-04-12, 10:22
Well she said she did all that motorbike, jet-ski, handling the shotgun and propelling down a rock cliff stunts + minor injuries. Can't be sure if that's true though.



She was propelled down the cliff face and then lifted back up, not quite the same thing, although hanging upside down that long from a harness was probably hard work. All she had to do was hang there and shoot the gun on cue. Angelina did no stunts on the bikes, just riding a bike is not a stunt, and I personally do not class siting on a bike while it is attached to a moving platform or automated to go through motions as being a stunt. What actual stunt did Angelina ever do on a bike, or do you class her not falling of while riding/sitting on it a stunt? She struggled to stay on the jet ski, let alone do anything fancy. While learning to ride a jet ski is an accomplishment, it is not a stunt. She should have been able to fire a shotgun considering all the training she had, but whether she actually fired any live rounds during filming is another thing. Movies are mainly make believe, someone does the stunts, it is not usually the star.

The stuntman doing a daring stunt, he was probably the same one who jumped the bike over the cars.
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j215/aussie500/movie/Bikestunt01.jpg


Angelina Jolie sitting around look pretty, all she had to do was sit on it, not that hard to do. Probably she was still wearing a safety harness in case she managed to fall off.
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j215/aussie500/movie/Bikesitting01.jpg

The stuntman who did most of the work in the chandelier scene.
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j215/aussie500/movie/Chanstunts01.jpg
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j215/aussie500/movie/Chanstunts02.jpg
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j215/aussie500/movie/Chanstunts03.jpg

Angelina got to jump of a few things, stand around for some closeups, be whizzed around the room on wires, while nothing was in her way and she touched nothing, she just had to look good with her little rubber knife. And she got to do some pretend fighting on the balcony. Yes I suppose pretend fighting is a stunt, hard work learning your moves and managing to actually not hit anyone. Standing on the chandelier while suspended from a safety harness was probably hard as well, but was it a stunt? She did get to jump off a few times for her close ups.
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j215/aussie500/movie/Chanwirework01.jpg
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j215/aussie500/movie/Image38.jpg

And they plan out and test the stunts to make sure they are safe, so no the stunt people are not considered expendable, they are needed to make the star look good. Although if one manages to get hurt it at least does not hold up production.

Miss Jolie doing some fancy footwork while shooting, another of those really hard stunts.
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j215/aussie500/movie/TROfficialMagazine_022.jpg

And as usual the person who actually did the dangerious bit of jumping over to the moving beam, looked nothing like Angelina.
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j215/aussie500/stuntdouble.jpg

Admles
01-04-12, 13:46
And they plan out and test the stunts to make sure they are safe, so no the stunt people are not considered expendable, they are needed to make the star look good. Although if one manages to get hurt it at least does not hold up production.

That's what I was saying - a stunt double gets hurt, they can get another one in without holding things up.



Seems like the only real stunt she pulled is telling everyone she did all her own stunts :vlol:

Lukass
01-04-12, 13:48
^ :vlol: good god, guys you're nasty.

aussie500
02-04-12, 13:10
I went back and looked at the jet ski part after I eventually rounded up my Tomb Raider movies. Angelina did the close ups, but never appeared till the real expert went and splashed the guys on the boat, she had a brief close up spliced in to the real stunt.

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j215/aussie500/movie/JetSki00.jpg

A comparison pic to look at those stick thin arms, I doubt Angela was on the Jet ski at the start.
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j215/aussie500/movie/30.jpg

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j215/aussie500/movie/JetSki01.jpg

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j215/aussie500/movie/JetSki02.jpg

Here comes the splash, Angelina is obviously not doing the stunt.
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j215/aussie500/movie/JetSki03.jpg

The turn around might or might not be Angelina, I tend to think it was not, someone who has the Blu-ray version might get a better picture.
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j215/aussie500/movie/JetSki04.jpg

A decent picture of the roll.
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j215/aussie500/movie/JetSki05.jpg

And the star eventually puts in an appearance.
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j215/aussie500/movie/JetSki06.jpg

I am not so sure she went that close to the boat though, or even the one who stepped off the jet ski.
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j215/aussie500/movie/JetSki07.jpg

Not from the movie this one, but it looks similar to the one spliced into the first stunt, only from the angle it looked like she was about to fall off, the camera panned away, while she was not moving. Suspicious that.
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j215/aussie500/movie/tombraidercradleoflife1.jpg

And the real star (http://www.tombraiderchronicles.com/headlines1199.html)doing the stunts was apparently Jeremy Phillips (http://www.yamaha.co.za/site/profile-jeremy-phillips). I could not find any close up pics of him relaxing off camera in his bikini though. :vlol:

XtremeJenn
02-04-12, 13:59
Those are some cool (and hillarious) production pictures from the first film! I didn't know that guys did that much of the bungee ballet scene but it makes perfect sense. I think they trained Angelina to do the bare minimum possible to make herself look believable and since she knew next to nothing at the start, it included a lot of training. A transformation like that, I'm sure her publicist told her to milk for all it's worth, telling everyone she did all her own stunts. That's hollywood.

All those people who are die hard Angelina fans and think that no other actress could play her really need to look at this thread and see that all she really did was act. And as long as another actress can act badass and do the accent (and look really hot), I'm sure they can pull Lara off just as well, if not better.

Edit: I managed to find the info on the Cradle of Life parachuting scenes. The base jumps were done by Team Bautasten from Sweden. And I think there was a chick doubling Angelina for the africa parachute scene.

http://www.sky-science.com/tomb_raider2.htm

http://www.skydive-safety.com/TV_Film_Tomb%20Raider.htm

http://www.sky-science.com/images/Team.jpg

http://www.sky-science.com/images/images/789_png.jpg

http://www.sky-science.com/images/images/785_png.jpg

http://www.sky-science.com/images/images/768_png.jpg

Lukass
02-04-12, 14:14
Here you can see a dubler...

http://www.team-jolie.com/gallery/albums/Movies/2003%20Lara%20Croft%20Tomb%20Raider%20The%20Cradle %20Of%20Life/Featurettes/Stunts/normal_TombRaider-DVD-Stunts_059.jpg

aussie500
02-04-12, 15:06
Actually it seems my suspicions about how much Angelina actually did of that jet ski scene are probably true. She had two stuntment doubling for her, one was slimmer and a better match than the one that did the roll. Josh Lustic did the entrance to the boat, the drive by splash, the turn and the bit where we see the arm going out to get on the boat. Jeremy Phillips only did the barrel roll, and Angelina got to look pretty as usual, you can clearly see when it is Angelina, since she is basically doing nothing much and it is close up.
While I could not find a pic of Jeremy Phillips dressed for the part I had a bit better luck with Josh Lustic (http://www.blowsion.com/team/airforce/lustic/default.asp). Josh could almost have skinnier chicken legs than Angelina.

And here are some more pics of the base juming team, including the third jumper, the cameraman. These are just captures from the DVD special features.

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j215/aussie500/movie/Basejump01.jpg

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j215/aussie500/movie/Basejump02.jpg

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j215/aussie500/movie/Basejump03.jpg


Angelina being very gently lowered into the jeep, that would have been as close as she ever got to parachuting in the movies.

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j215/aussie500/movie/Notparachuting01.jpg
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j215/aussie500/movie/Notparachuting02.jpg

XtremeJenn
02-04-12, 15:25
Yeah check out the helmet camera that dude in the last pic has to wear. That is probably about 10 kilos worth of head gear.

Thanks for putting up bigger versions of these! There are literally none on the net that I could find. Did it say in the special features if the did both skydives and base jumps for the stunt? I'm pretty sure they filmed the exits from the 1200' building but some of the aerial footage was done from a helicopter skydive, with the third guy filming from a wingsuit above them.

aussie500
02-04-12, 15:50
Yeah check out the helmet camera that dude in the last pic has to wear. That is probably about 10 kilos worth of head gear.

Thanks for putting up bigger versions of these! There are literally none on the net that I could find. Did it say in the special features if the did both skydives and base jumps for the stunt? I'm pretty sure they filmed the exits from the 1200' building but some of the aerial footage was done from a helicopter skydive, with the third guy filming from a wingsuit above them.

Same three did all the jumps, two wingsuits and the cameraman sometimes with just a parachute. The cameraman did not always have the camera on his head, sometimes he seemed to have it in his arms when he was jumping of the building. They did 28 jumps, 8 from the building and the rest from the helicopter right over Hong Kong. The suits need a fair bit of height before they can work properly, so they would jump from the helicopter, go down to around 1000ft or less and then fly between the buildings. The building they were jumping from was 1200ft high, and they opened the parachutes just over 200 feet, they went down very fast! The suits could not fly that well from that low a height they were jumping from the helicopter at 5000ft which gave the suits more time to work.

Another look at the head camera.
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j215/aussie500/movie/basejumpcamera01.jpg

The three running for the jump off the building, the cameraman has a crash helmet on and is holding the camera.
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j215/aussie500/movie/BaseJumpfrombuilding3.jpg

Bottom view as they jump.
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j215/aussie500/movie/BaseJumpfrombuilding.jpg

Top view after the chutes open, the cameraman opens his earlier so he can film them. They did not really get that far away from the building, but went down like arrows.
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j215/aussie500/movie/BaseJumpfrombuilding2.jpg

The helicopter going up, this time it seems the cameraman is going to have a go at being a flying squirrel as well. He has to keep up with them I suppose. Which would be why the camera is on his head, he needs his arms extended for the suit to work.
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j215/aussie500/movie/helecopter1.jpg

A jump from the helicopter and the cameraman opening his chute.
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j215/aussie500/movie/helicopterjump.jpg

They also had a helicopter filming (http://www.flickr.com/photos/stefansgallery/tags/tombraider2/)them flying

Avalon SARL
02-04-12, 17:55
I don't know about the first movie, but I don't think she did the stunts because they were very dangerous (although I read that she did bungee jump).

But on the second movie, she had training and was able to pull of some, but perhaps not the entire scene of every stunt.

I watched COL making of and it was amazing she did the upside down rope slide from the high mountain cave in china

The jet ski, I don't know if she did it or not, it seems hard for her to do it knowing that it took her some time to be able to ride it :p

Watching the making of the movie will give you better answers

Admles
02-04-12, 18:58
Don't trust a making of documentary, it's just as much a production as the movie. They only show you what they want you to see - anything that makes the actors look better.

Phlip
02-04-12, 19:45
I can't believe everyone in the Extras videos, including Angelina lied about doing her own stunts! :( Damn, my respect for her has very much gone down, whether it's what you do in Hollywood or not it's a lie. =/

XtremeJenn
02-04-12, 23:22
The suits could not fly that well from that low a height they were jumping from the helicopter at 5000ft which gave the suits more time to work.


Yeah, that's true. Wingsuits need at least ~1500' in order to get it flying well. People have jumped from 1000' with it but it's not like it does anything. You just fall straight down. I can jump from 1000' and cover about 800-1000' without a suit but I have an unusual body type that allows that kinda flight.

Thanks for posting all that info! Interesting stuff. I'll have to get ahold of that dvd so I can watch it all.

aussie500
02-04-12, 23:47
I can't believe everyone in the Extras videos, including Angelina lied about doing her own stunts! :( Damn, my respect for her has very much gone down, whether it's what you do in Hollywood or not it's a lie. =/

That was one reason why I lost a bit of respect for her as well, and she still does it, we saw her do it with Salt. The stunt people only dress like the star when they are going to be appearing in the film. Yes they do all the setups to make sure anything safe enough for the star to do, is absolutely safe. But you see a stuntperson dressed the same as the star it will be them doing the dangerious stuff. The stunt double does the daring jumps, the star gets their pretty face pasted on the end pretending they had just done the jump, that is why they are called actors.

So in COL Angelina rode a horse, but did not do any stunts, she just pretended to fire the rifle. Her actually shooting anything is done with a special effect to make it look like she just shot the target, her firing and the target being shot are not connected, although they can time it to make it seem so.

Angelina got to ride a jet ski, that was it ride it in a straight line without falling of it. Although she did a lot of practice apparently they did not think she was proficient enough to appear more in the film doing it.

Angelina got to do a lot of hanging around supported by a safety harness, she did not even have to actually use her hands to stay there so it was not any great incredible feat. Doing it upside down was, I doubt I would want to be upside down for that long, and they seemed to do the shot several times before getting a break. So no Angelina was in no danger of falling of the skid of a helicopter, or falling down a cliff, she was also in the rig when doing the statue jumping, although again she made it look good. Angelina does not do any stunts where pyrotechnics are near by and she could be hurt. Angelina got to do a bit of paddling in a boat, a bit of very safe driving on a bike. Most of the bike work she did in COL was done in front of a green screen on a bike that was fixed in place. I have not watched the first movie for a while, but I think all her bike "stunts" in the first one were on bike fixed to a motorized lift, stationary stand or fixed to a dolly being pulled along with the camera.

Some of the underwater scenes in COL, were not even underwater, but I have not dug up those pictures yet. Angelina never parachuted anywhere, she got to pretend to jump, and then got lifted down via the usual crane type rig. So yes she was doing what she would call a stunt, hanging around in a safety harness, but it was not the stunt the fans would be thinking she did.

Unfortunately these film makers are very careful with what pictures are released, so it is not easy to get a look at how they do it, especially when they are in collusion with the stars delusion they are a stuntwoman. And as we have seen with Josh Lustic, sometime even a guy can look a lot like Angelina. So what chance have we of picking out when an actual stunt woman replaces her, maybe Angelina did not do all the wire work in the bungee fighting scene, maybe again she only did the bits where she was stationary or making a safe jump. Maybe it was someone else whizzed around the room pretending to run around the walls. I posted one pic of that and if you really look at it, can we be sure it is actually Angelina? Even though who ever did it did not seem to touch the walls at any point maybe they thought it too dangerious. Any where where you see "Lara actually bouncing of the walls, it is a stuntman not Angelina, same with the fighting while suspended. Angelina did the bungie ballet, although she did not jump of the side to start it, that was done with a different rig to the one she was suspended from in the middle of the room. And none of the bungie ballet rigs actually went close to the floor. Angelina was suspended on a board for the close to the floor shots, nothing dangerious about it, although I suppose you could still call it a stunt. The star was lying around instead of just hanging around.

(I will add some pictures here later, just having a bit of trouble finding them at the moment)


If someone actually thinks Angelina did a real stunt, say so and we will look at how it was done, and see if we can work out how it was done. ;)

Phlip
03-04-12, 01:37
The pictures so far are really interesting, thanks for them. :)

CiaKonwerski
03-04-12, 02:28
She does do some of her own stunts. A lot more than some other actors and actresses. Obviously not every single thing is done by her, but if you watch the Behind The Scenes feature on SALT, it shows her doing a good majority of things. Such as hanging from the apartment buildings, obviously there is a rope, but there wasn't a double. Also of her on the moving truck.
http://jerrygarrett.wordpress.com/2010/07/26/ten-secrets-behind-angelina-jolies-salt/

XtremeJenn
03-04-12, 03:32
Actors doing stunts is like a 10 year old kid going to an amusement park and then claiming he participated in extreme sports after riding a rollercoaster.

BTW Aussie500, I'm glad theres finally a subject on this forum that we agree on.

aussie500
03-04-12, 04:51
She does do some of her own stunts. A lot more than some other actors and actresses. Obviously not every single thing is done by her, but if you watch the Behind The Scenes feature on SALT, it shows her doing a good majority of things. Such as hanging from the apartment buildings, obviously there is a rope, but there wasn't a double. Also of her on the moving truck.
http://jerrygarrett.wordpress.com/2010/07/26/ten-secrets-behind-angelina-jolies-salt/


The only reason a stunt double did not do the wall escape was because they needed to see Angelina's face. She is suspended with harness and wire, and I believe there was also a rope at one point, and she has handholds on the brick wall so she does not get knocked around. The stunt double would have been the one going out the window since that was the dangerious bit. Yes Angelina is doing a stunt, but not as dangerious as it seems. What I was offended by was that Angelina said her stunt double was only doing set ups and she was doing all the stunts herself, which was a straight out lie. Angelina was crawling along the top of the container as it was moving, safely harnessed in so she could not manage to fall off. Her stunt double did the jumping between trucks, the same rules go for all movies, your star does nothing dangerious. True some do hardly any stunts, but there are not many of them these days, and at least they do not claim they did all their own stunts. Many will admit, they were too chicken.

The underwater dive, where yes she is actually on a ride, so just laying around while doing a bit of acting.

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j215/aussie500/movie/drywater02.jpg

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j215/aussie500/movie/drywater01.jpg

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j215/aussie500/movie/drywater03.jpg

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j215/aussie500/movie/drywater04.jpg

All the water effects, plants and creatures were CGI. Lara's encounter with the shark was done in a tank, she had to be underwater for that, so yes it was a stunt. Holding your breath underwater and throwing a punch. The other part of that Angelina did consisted of grabbing a handle attached to a rope that towed her a short distance, this would later be the shark's fin. They needed that for the facial shots as the shark tows her up. The stunt double was the one towed at speed and only seen from the back.

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j215/aussie500/movie/DryWater05.jpg

Admles
03-04-12, 08:40
She does do some of her own stunts. A lot more than some other actors and actresses.


Do you also believe in Santa, the Easter Bunny, Tooth Fairy, God, Bigfoot, Lochness Monster because someone said they exist?

shockwave_pulsar00
03-04-12, 09:05
^ :vlol: good god, guys you're nasty.

I have to agree lol.

I think its pretty obvious that she didn't so all of her own stunts. I will also agree that it shouldn't be spun to make it look like she is doing it all. However, I think its more accurate that she tried to do all that they would actually let her do. I honestly believe Angelina tried to do what she could.

But can you really blame the studio?

Look at Aeon Flux. Charlize Theron was doing stunt work for her character, doing some back handsprings and she slipped and landed on her neck. BOOM! Production shut down for a few weeks. She could have ended her career with that move.

XtremeJenn
03-04-12, 09:19
Look at Aeon Flux. Charlize Theron was doing stunt work for her character, doing some back handsprings and she slipped and landed on her neck. BOOM! Production shut down for a few weeks. She could have ended her career with that move.

But she didn't and I respect her a lot more for doing moves that most people out there can't. I can't say the same for Angelina. Everyone, call the press! The woman can throw a kick and a punch. She's an action heroine!

aussie500
03-04-12, 09:22
Do you also believe in Santa, the Easter Bunny, Tooth Fairy, God, Bigfoot, Lochness Monster because someone said they exist?

It is true though, not every star is going to be willing to be hung from helicopters, whizzed around rooms on wires, hung upside down 100ft of the ground and then have the fun of being dropped fairly quickly, as well as all the other things she did while filming. Some would not bother learning how to use the jet ski, ride side saddle, row, do that bungie ballet, or the many other things Angelina had to learn to do. Angelina has never lacked nerve or enthusiasm. A lot of actors would not want to do some of those things. We have seen how easily it is to fool the viewer into thinking it is the star doing the whole stunt, they could have done it without Angelina doing as much as she did. Now if only she would give her stunt doubles a bit of credit for their hard work making her look good, rather than saying she did it all maybe some would think better of her.

Admles
03-04-12, 10:04
That's something I don't like - stunt doubles and body doubles make the stars looks great, but never get the credit they deserve.

Plus there are plenty of actors / actresses who do more stunts than Angelina.

shockwave_pulsar00
03-04-12, 12:13
But she didn't and I respect her a lot more for doing moves that most people out there can't. I can't say the same for Angelina. Everyone, call the press! The woman can throw a kick and a punch. She's an action heroine!

I think you are under playing Angelina a little bit. That would be like saying Milla Jovovich's not really an action heroine because she "throws a punch and a kick". I'm pretty sure there are things Angelina can do that other actress can't. Her talent with knives for example.(I also think she's one of the best actresses with a gun, at least she looks like she knows how to handle them i.e. rarely flinches when firing them)


That's something I don't like - stunt doubles and body doubles make the stars looks great, but never get the credit they deserve.

Plus there are plenty of actors / actresses who do more stunts than Angelina.

Why single Angelina out? There are plenty of other actors and actresses that have these things said about them.

Stunt people know what they get hired for, it not being in the spotlight, but they do get recognized a bit within Hollywood. Look at Zoe Bell, she was able to cross over from being a stunt woman to actual actress/stuntwoman.

I know not many people agree with me though

TippingWater
03-04-12, 12:32
http://www.joliepittnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/1.jpg

XtremeJenn
03-04-12, 12:51
I think you are under playing Angelina a little bit. That would be like saying Milla Jovovich's not really an action heroine because she "throws a punch and a kick". I'm pretty sure there are things Angelina can do that other actress can't. Her talent with knives for example.(I also think she's one of the best actresses with a gun, at least she looks like she knows how to handle them i.e. rarely flinches when firing them)


I'm just going by what I see and I don't see anything that Angelina has done that I would classify as remarkable. That stuff is what her stunt crew is for anyways. Of course we're singling out Angie... this thread IS about her so I don't see the point of getting off topic by bringing up other actresses.

BTW Zoe bell rocks. But I think she's mostly getting attention in hollywood because she's trying to transition herself from stunt actress to actress.

Admles
03-04-12, 13:44
I'm just going by what I see and I don't see anything that Angelina has done that I would classify as remarkable. That stuff is what her stunt crew is for anyways. Of course we're singling out Angie... this thread IS about her so I don't see the point of getting off topic by bringing up other actresses.

BTW Zoe bell rocks. But I think she's mostly getting attention in hollywood because she's trying to transition herself from stunt actress to actress.
Thanks for saying everything for me Jenn :)


I know stunt doubles go in there, knowing they won't get the recognition, but that doesn't give the star the right to make claims about doing everything themselves when they didn't.

shockwave_pulsar00
05-04-12, 01:48
Of course we're singling out Angie... this thread IS about her so I don't see the point of getting off topic by bringing up other actresses.


Its not going off topic, I'm bring up the fact she isn't the only one in Hollywood that has hese same things said.

aussie500
05-04-12, 10:59
Its not going off topic, I'm bring up the fact she isn't the only one in Hollywood that has hese same things said.

I am pretty sure if any of my other favourite actors had dared to insult my intelligence by saying they did all their own stunts, I would have remembered it. Even if any of the actors I even watch had said it I would have remembered it. And yes I can blame the studio for supporting such a lie, they are deliberately misleading fans.

I have reason to think Angelina did not jump off the chandelier in TR1, well maybe jumped a small distance onto some mats. I actually have doubts now she did as much wire work in that scene as I thought she did. Yes her male stunt double did all the dangerious stuff, and her female stunt double did the rest it seems. All Angelina did was pose for her close ups, hang on a board suspend just above the floor, jump of a few things, although there is some doubt as to how far she jumped. She threw some fake punches while there were no explosions going off on the balcony, and someone else doubled for her when there was explosions. I still think she did the bungie ballet, which while not dangerious is a stunt. When I get some time I will take a closer look and just see if I can tell who did the wall run around the room. Once I know enough about her stunt double for that scene to actually recognise her, or recognise parts of her.

But onto some more lovely Angelina doubles, Andy Godbold (http://www.bolddog.com/film-tv-stunt-work.html) was Angelina's stunt double for the bike riding scenes and stunts in COL. So unless you clearly see Angelina's face while Lara is riding the bike, yes it is a guy. And on most occasions when you can see Angelina riding a bike, it is actually a stationary bike, she is not riding it she is just sitting on it looking good and doing some acting. It was all done with greenscreen effects, probably her bike riding between the cars in Salt was done the same way. Yes the bike stunts were all real in COL, but Angelina did none of them. Angelina can ride a bike so not sure why she never got to do it more in the movie. maybe she was busy doing something else, or maybe again it was an insurance thing. If anyone has better scans of the articles I would love to add them to our collection.

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j215/aussie500/movie/aab.jpg

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j215/aussie500/movie/movies_pop_lara_2.jpg

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j215/aussie500/movie/movies_pop_lara_4.jpg

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j215/aussie500/movie/movies_pop_lara_3.jpg

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j215/aussie500/movie/R000-3833.jpg

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j215/aussie500/movie/Angelina-Jolie-body-double-590x350.jpg

A few screengrabs from the movie showing the stuntmen in action.
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j215/aussie500/movie/COLbike01.jpg
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j215/aussie500/movie/COLbike03.jpg
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j215/aussie500/movie/COLbike02.jpg

And one of Angelina doing what she does best, acting.
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j215/aussie500/movie/AJnotridingabike.jpg

Lukass
05-04-12, 11:50
^ OMG :vlol:! The double dude even has a bulge on his pants :vlol:

Anyway, I'm disappointed. She clearly lied and that doesn't fit to Angelina.

aussie500
05-04-12, 12:21
^ OMG :vlol:! The double dude even has a bulge on his pants :vlol:

Anyway, I'm disappointed. She clearly lied and that doesn't fit to Angelina.

Well he is a dude, he is not going to be spending that long on a bike with everything lashed down. Still a bit disappointed we could not get a photo of one of the guys in the bikini. Josh Lustic (http://www.blowsion.com/visuals/team/airforce/josh-as-Lara-Croft.jpg) was well covered in the only photo we have of him in costume, ready to film.

I have a quote from the PWC forum.
Josh Lustic did a lot of the 'stunts' for the movie on a ski.. (dressed as a girl). Those pictures are out there.. but never to be posted.. lol

Probably as close as we will ever get to them.

Aphrodite22
05-04-12, 18:22
well, she obviously didnt do all of her stunts. BUT she did prepare for all of them, and for me thats the most important part.

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NRO.
05-04-12, 18:35
She looks so creepy. O.o

She looks awesome now, but her TR days, holy crap.

larafan25
05-04-12, 19:28
It's official, Angelina Jolie started the TR Epic sitch.

Phlip
05-04-12, 19:40
It's official, Angelina Jolie started the TR Epic sitch.

What? http://z1.ifrm.com/0/1/0/e47/e47.gif

Also, why was the director for the 2nd film changed?

Admles
05-04-12, 19:59
well, she obviously didnt do all of her stunts. BUT she did prepare for all of them, and for me thats the most important part.


So it's okay that she took credit for someone elses stunts?



Oh, and after seeing those videos, no wonder her fight scene in TR1 sucked, her martial arts "training" was dreadful

Avalon SARL
05-04-12, 21:07
I have a question, who would ever believe, no matter how much training she did, that Angelina did every single stunt in the movie and mainly the dangerous ones or those that needed total skill :confused:

and what is this debate when the making of did show the stunt men and how the action sequences were made (For COL I mean).

AJ is an actor and she is not an athlete or able to perform dangerous things; if true, then she could have been used as a double actor/stunt woman in other movies

She just gets trained for doing a scene where it is necessary and so that she looks in shape and skilled enough so that her acting would not look bad or that she is doing something she has no idea about.

Trying to do something you have no idea about will not even allow you to know what to do, so that is why she gets trained, so she has an idea of what to do.

Who would ever believe she jumped with a parachute while in her whole life she had never done that:confused:

Rai
05-04-12, 23:25
^Exactly. Of course Angelina trained up for the part. She may be an actor, but there's simply some stuff you can't fake entirely. Lara Croft is pretty much an expert in her field, so AJ had to know enough in fighting, gun control etc to look convincing in the role. She had to put on weight even to look the part. She obviously put a lot of effort in and did do some of the less dangerous stuff, maybe more than another actress would have. She would be required at any rate for close up stuff, but always a stunt double would do the actual dangerous stuff and the work edited together to make it look seamless. So if it's true she said she did all her own stunts, well that's not entirely true. At best she did the stuff that could be controlled and with safety gear.

aussie500
05-04-12, 23:32
Angelina did the training to build up some muscle on that scrawny frame and actually look competent and confident in the scenes where she appeared. Lara can do anything and everything and is an expert in many things, Angelina is an actess, she has to look like she can do those things. And Lara is no Bruce Lee wanabe, her fight scenes were never meant to look like any sort of martial arts. Angelina had a stunt double for most of the fight scenes, so if they had wanted Lara to be an expert at any sort of martial arts style fighting she would have been.

Angelina could ride a bike back when the films were done, we have photo's of her riding in the location shooting for COL, yet none of it appeared in the movie. It does seem like Angelina is riding a bike, I doubt they would be doctoring production photos to fool us. She would not be going very fast though, which might be the deciding factor there.

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j215/aussie500/movie/angelina_jolie_moterbike.jpg

What Angelina can do herself means nothing, she might have gone parachuting in her own time, but no way were the movie people going to let her do it in COL.

Aphrodite22
06-04-12, 01:50
She looks so creepy. O.o

She looks awesome now, but her TR days, holy crap.

are u serious?

So it's okay that she took credit for someone elses stunts?



Oh, and after seeing those videos, no wonder her fight scene in TR1 sucked, her martial arts "training" was dreadful

nah im not saying that.. lol i hadnt even thought about it.

I havent seen all her training so i cant say it sucked. The gun training looks pretty good though..

aussie500
06-04-12, 05:43
Those are some cool (and hillarious) production pictures from the first film! I didn't know that guys did that much of the bungee ballet scene but it makes perfect sense. I think they trained Angelina to do the bare minimum possible to make herself look believable and since she knew next to nothing at the start, it included a lot of training. A transformation like that, I'm sure her publicist told her to milk for all it's worth, telling everyone she did all her own stunts. That's hollywood.

All those people who are die hard Angelina fans and think that no other actress could play her really need to look at this thread and see that all she really did was act. And as long as another actress can act badass and do the accent (and look really hot), I'm sure they can pull Lara off just as well, if not better.

Edit: I managed to find the info on the Cradle of Life parachuting scenes. The base jumps were done by Team Bautasten from Sweden. And I think there was a chick doubling Angelina for the africa parachute scene.

http://www.sky-science.com/tomb_raider2.htm

http://www.skydive-safety.com/TV_Film_Tomb%20Raider.htm

http://www.sky-science.com/images/Team.jpg

http://www.sky-science.com/images/images/789_png.jpg

http://www.sky-science.com/images/images/785_png.jpg

http://www.sky-science.com/images/images/768_png.jpg
Some larger pictures and some names all collected from the Sky Science (http://www.sky-science.com/index.html)site, thanks for finding that one XtremeJenn. They have lots of photo's (http://www.sky-science.com/tomb_raider2-photos.htm)even a video (http://www.sky-science.com/videos_Film_Work.htm) (completed projects) of the base jumping team if you want to sit through watching the James Bond footage first.


Lara's stunt double for the parachuting in Africa and the ejection sequence over the lake was Amanda Kemp a skydiving champion from the UK. For the ejection sequence Allan Hewitt was stunt double for Gerard Butler.

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j215/aussie500/movie/AmandaAllan.jpg
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j215/aussie500/movie/Ejectionsequence.jpg
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j215/aussie500/movie/AmandaKemp.jpg

And a larger version of one of the pictures already posted showing the Team Bautasten base jumping team, If any one can name them all accurately it would be helpful. My guess would be Allan Hewitt, an unknown helicopter pilot, Martin RosÚn, Mikael Nordqvist (cameraman at the back) and Per Eriksson (as Lara)

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j215/aussie500/movie/Basejumpteam.jpg

Tonyrobinson
06-04-12, 05:46
A lot of teenage boys who took a liking to this movie would be disturbed for life if they seen this thread. :vlol:

TippingWater
06-04-12, 19:43
A lot of teenage boys who took a liking to this movie would be disturbed for life if they seen this thread. :vlol:

:vlol: Ha ha ha! :vlol:

Ora Dagger
06-04-12, 23:22
A man playing Lara :vlol:

aussie500
07-04-12, 00:11
A man playing Lara :vlol:

But not just one, there were a lot of guys playing Lara. Some of which we do not have names for yet, but they will turn up eventually. It seems fine to drool over a fictional character in a movie, Lara does all those fantastic things. But the guys want to be careful if they think they were looking at Angelina all the time.

Lukass
07-04-12, 00:30
But the guys want to be careful if they think they were looking at Angelina all the time.

:vlol:!

voltz
07-04-12, 02:52
A man playing Lara :vlol:

Watch who you fap to, peeps! :eek:

Love2Raid
07-04-12, 11:28
This whole thread is hilarious! :vlol:

Especially this:

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j215/aussie500/movie/aab.jpg

Hahahaha! :vlol:

Thanks for sharing everything you found Aussie. I never cared much for the movies but this is still interesting (and funny). :)

Tonyrobinson
07-04-12, 12:34
Hahaha imagine if the majority of Angelina's scenes where just one shot takes every time her face is on camera and the rest is a man. I wonder if they used a body double for the shower scene in the first movie you couldn't really make her out behind that frosted glass! :yik:

It's the Judith Gibbin's situation all over again! There is a reason we are not supposed to know who plays Lara... :pi:

aussie500
07-04-12, 12:45
Pretty sure the shower scene did use a body double, I believe a body double was also used for the main title shot of COL showing 'Angelina' in the silver wetsuit.

To understand the insurance problem and why Angelina could not have a go at doing more of the stunts herself, here is an interesting little article on the problem.
http://www.slate.com/articles/arts/the_hollywood_economist/2005/05/nicole_kidmans_knee.html

Tonyrobinson
07-04-12, 12:53
Oh god how funny. Well at least Angelina looked good pouting and delivering her very limited lines. :p

The Luna Temple sequence was the only good thing about the second movie so pity thing Jan wasn't kept away from the rest of the movie. :vlol:

XtremeJenn
08-04-12, 13:42
I think some male lara cosplayers should cosplay her body double from COL with the crotch bulge. I actually think it would be pretty awesome.

Aphrodite22
08-04-12, 18:09
I want moaar!!!

MangelinaJolie
09-04-12, 02:28
I might have to use one of these images as an avatar. So fitting...

aussie500
09-04-12, 03:42
Although I have a few more Tomb Raider stunt stars to look at, the best of which is proving elusive, while trying to pin her down I came across this award winning performance from Salt. Of course it was not Angelina's performance that won this stunt award, it was Janene Carleton's (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm2140759/). But we all saw Angelina pretending to do the stunt, and taking all the credit for the stunt. But as always there was a real person who did the real stunt. And she actually got some recognition for it.

Taurus Awards for 2011
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j215/aussie500/movie/Saltstunts.jpg

Angelina had two stunt doubles covering her stunts for that scene, the other was the elusive one I am having trouble catching, Eunice Huthart. The screen below will be one of them, it is certainly not Angelina Jolie. Personally I think this one looks more like Eunice so perhaps Janene's stunt only got in as the distance shots where it is not possible to identify her. I will look again later.
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j215/aussie500/movie/Saltstunt.jpg

XtremeJenn
09-04-12, 07:52
That was a pretty amazing stunt. I'm glad she got some recognition for it.

Admles
23-04-12, 10:09
So, to answer TS, the did almost none :D

aussie500
24-05-12, 12:05
I found this one in my collection while I was hunting for Lara sunglasses. Here is Angelina doing an extremely dangerious bike stunt, yes we can see she did this one.
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j215/aussie500/movie/th_Image13.jpg (http://s81.photobucket.com/albums/j215/aussie500/movie/?action=view&current=Image13.jpg)

All that is expected of her is that she not fall off, and makes it look good with a bit of acting, the bike, the camera and the special effects do everything else.

PaNtHERA
24-05-12, 19:09
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HIJ4g4hD-3Y&nomobile=1

aussie500
25-05-12, 02:05
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HIJ4g4hD-3Y&nomobile=1

Even in that footage we can see Angelina had a stunt double double for some scenes.

Rai
25-05-12, 23:10
Stunt double double? Is that a stunt double for the stunt double? :p

Lukass
26-05-12, 00:32
Stunt double double? Is that a stunt double for the stunt double? :p

:vlol: apparently!

Anyway....so the Making of video lies then? They presented it like she had no stunt doubles.

TippingWater
26-05-12, 00:43
:vlol: apparently!

Anyway....so the Making of video lies then? They presented it like she had no stunt doubles.

Well, I guess it's more like they deliberately avoided mentioning the stunt doubles and only emphasized the "stunts" that Angelina has done. At least Angie admired that she is clumsy and a geek, unlike Lara Croft :hug:.