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ben croft
11-08-05, 20:01
Hey folks, the website of WHAT HAPPENED TO EMILY (http://www.sonypictures.com/movies/theexorcismofemilyrose/index.html) is up. Check it out.

*PS: But don't have a heart attack while watching the trailer. :D http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/wave.gif

*EDIT: the film is based on a true story http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/yikes.gif

[ 11. August 2005, 21:03: Message edited by: ben croft ]

Mary CF
11-08-05, 20:25
Creepy. I think that might be a good movie... but it makes me wonder, when they say 'based on a true story' are they giving it the Texas Chainsaw Massacre treatment (ie. not at all true to the story), or are they sticking fairly closely to the facts?

Let's hope it's not like the Texas Chainsaw Massacre in the way I stated above. For me that would totally ruin it and make it less interesting to watch, because then it would just be another fictitious hollywood horror movie.

[ 11. August 2005, 21:38: Message edited by: Mary CF ]

ben croft
11-08-05, 20:29
Agreed, Mary http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/wave.gif

Olvidarse
11-08-05, 20:39
Totally a schizoid.

Mary CF
11-08-05, 20:54
I take it you don't believe in exorcisms and being possessed by demons? Not every such case can be explained away by modern science... so I'm inclined to believe that it is possible.

ben croft
11-08-05, 20:59
Me too. I believe it's possible. http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/smile.gif

Olvidarse
12-08-05, 01:40
Sure, I'll just go around-- make creaky noises with my throat and yell "Bloooody Mary!..... Mommy, where art thou?!"

I'll make millions! Millions with a binding movie and book deal! All provided by Fox!

http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/vlol.gif

Oops, no pun intended Mary CF. :D http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/wave.gif I guess anything is possible now, in these "runaway bride" times. http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/privateeye.gif

Mary CF
12-08-05, 15:07
Forgive me Olvidarse, but I'm not sure you know what you're talking about.

Reading deeper into the history of this event, you'd realize it didn't happen in "runaway bride" times (ie. recently). It happened in the mid-seventies when skepticism on this topic was much more acceptable... and believing in such 'nonsense' made you look crazy.

I'm fairly certain that occult stuff and supernatural occurences are more readily accepted as a possibility today than they were forty years ago.

Also - not speaking from experience, of course (given my age) - but I'm sure if you were there, if you knew the girl, you wouldn't so readily discard this as a possibility.

[ 12. August 2005, 17:33: Message edited by: Mary CF ]

interstellardave
12-08-05, 15:38
Anyone who accepts that we have "souls" or, in other words, that which defines us outside of just our physical body, should accept the possibility of "possession". In fact, we are all "possessed" by our own souls--the body is merely a container. If this is true then it is only reasonable that other entities could try to hijack our bodies in much the same way that happened to Emily.

Mary CF
12-08-05, 15:56
Well said, dave. http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/thumb.gif

Neteru
12-08-05, 16:00
The case of Esther Cox is a very interesting one. She lived in Amherst, Nova Scotia in the late 1800's and was believed to have suffered multiple possession.

interstellardave
12-08-05, 16:10
Thanks Mary! http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/wave.gif

I think you realize, as I do, that there is much that western science does not know yet. http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/privateeye.gif

Mary CF
12-08-05, 17:01
I have to say, this is looking disappointing already. Just as a note, the actual name of the girl wasn't Emily Rose, it was Anneliese Michel. Read here to find out what I'm talking about:

http://www.themovieblog.com/archives/2004/10/hollywood_to_tarnish_the_story_of_anneliese_michel .html

Let's hope it DOES turn out to be a good movie anyway... but their focus seems very, very silly, given that this story is supposed to be about an exorcism... not a lawyer's personal problems.

[EDIT: The information I have posted above does not appear to reflect the movie synopsis given on the official movie site. I wonder if that means they've changed the focus of the movie? They have also changed her name for the purposes of the movie since then (why?).]

[ 12. August 2005, 18:14: Message edited by: Mary CF ]

Sifo-Dyas
12-08-05, 21:25
Do you think we will finally be treated again with a great movie about excorsism? It's been more than 30 years now since the last (or should I say the first) decent film about exorcism.

Olvidarse
12-08-05, 23:30
Originally posted by interstellardave:
Anyone who accepts that we have "souls" or, in other words, that which defines us outside of just our physical body, should accept the possibility of "possession". In fact, we are all "possessed" by our own souls--the body is merely a container. If this is true then it is only reasonable that other entities could try to hijack our bodies in much the same way that happened to Emily. So I guess your definition for Schizophrenia, or any other personality disorder for that matter, is a thieving ghoul? Or something metaphysical? I take it you believe in ghosts?

[ 13. August 2005, 00:34: Message edited by: Olvidarse ]

Mary CF
13-08-05, 15:37
Olvidarse, that's not what he was trying to say!

Of course there are conditions that are diagnosed successfully by modern medical science.... we're not arguing that.

But I am quite sure there are cases that science simply cannot explain.

rachkitten
13-08-05, 16:58
WOW! the trailer luks really spooky and cool!!!

its ashame the screen is too small to read the writing but oh well...

I AM DEFINATELY GOING TO SEE THAT FILM http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/jumper.gif

interstellardave
13-08-05, 22:28
Originally posted by Olvidarse:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by interstellardave:
Anyone who accepts that we have "souls" or, in other words, that which defines us outside of just our physical body, should accept the possibility of "possession". In fact, we are all "possessed" by our own souls--the body is merely a container. If this is true then it is only reasonable that other entities could try to hijack our bodies in much the same way that happened to Emily. So I guess your definition for Schizophrenia, or any other personality disorder for that matter, is a thieving ghoul? Or something metaphysical? I take it you believe in ghosts? </font>[/QUOTE]So you're telling me that science fully understands schizophrenia or personality disorders? There could be a multitude of possible answers, but it is scientific cowardice to avoid uncomfortable possibilities! Yeah, just laugh such ideas off as "crazy". That's not science, it's DOGMA.

The nature of scientific investigation demands accurate information to reach accurate conclusions, and in every possible area of scientific investigation there is still a lot more we don't know, than we do know. Science still hasn't reached anything close to a concensus on human consciousness; in fact, they can't even comprehend the nature of reality itself!

So I would guess that if reality itself isn't even understood properly then our view of everything (ourselves included) is up for continued speculation.

Olvidarse
15-08-05, 06:02
Yes, and that's why it makes no sense to argue about the spiritual and the theoretical. To sway toward one side would condemn the other. ;)

I wonder how much of this movie is based on true occurrences. http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/privateeye.gif

Mary CF
15-08-05, 14:45
Originally posted by Olvidarse:
Yes, and that's why it makes no sense to argue about the spiritual and the theoretical. To sway toward one side would condemn the other. ;)

I wonder how much of this movie is based on true occurrences. http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/privateeye.gif Pardon me, but I don't think dave was 'swaying to one side'. I think he's just trying to keep an open mind about this, as I am.

As for how much of it is true... that's what I said! http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/smile.gif I want to know, because then I'll know if it's actually worth going to see. It would disappoint me very much if it was just another fictional hollywood horror movie, like I said. I hope it gets good reviews... there seems to be a severe lack of good movies lately!

superstar
15-08-05, 14:53
i respect all of your beliefs and faith, but unfortunately i can't say i believe in possession, nor i do beleieve that were have souls. all we have are our little cute brain cells and when they malfunction, strange things can happen...

interstellardave
15-08-05, 15:01
Hey Olvidarse and Mary! http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/wave.gif

I don't want to argue with anyone--or have anyone think that I'm being argumentative. Mary's right--I like to keep the more "strange" explanations on the table because they are plausible, given a certain perspective. I love to read about many different subjects both from a "hard science" perspective and a "new age" perspective, so to speak.

I'm particularly fascinated by the various theories coming from the field of physics... when you read about quantuum mechanics, string theory or the "holographic universe theory" it really makes you re-examine your perspective on everything! ;)

Mary CF
15-08-05, 15:04
You could be right, superstar. I'm not sure myself.

It could be all just a series of chemical reactions. Maybe we're not as 'in control' as we'd all like to think?

superstar
15-08-05, 16:53
Originally posted by Mary CF:
Maybe we're not as 'in control' as we'd all like to think? i think that is a high possibility... and a very scary thought there too! http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/yikes.gif