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wantafanta
27-08-05, 03:10
free Jose (http://www.chargepadilla.org/)

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On June 9, 2002 Jose Padilla--a.k.a. Abdullah Al Muhajir--was transferred from control of the U.S. Department of Justice to military control. Since that time, Padilla has been held in a navy brig in South Carolina.
Padilla has not been charged with a crime, and does not have access to a lawyer in his detention. This is a clear violation of the 5th Amendment, and probably a violation of the 6th Amendment. It is also a clearly abominable violation of the democratic traditions of the United States.

Padilla has been accused of plotting heinous acts of terrorism, particularly the setting off of a "dirty bomb". He has been accused of conspiring with members of al-Queda, and planning to scout for that terrorist organization, using the benefits of his U.S. citizenship. President Bush has designated Padilla an "enemy combatant".

These are frightening accusations, and they may be true. Accusations do not give the President the authority to lock someone away, however. According to the laws and traditions of the U.S., the way to determine who gets imprisoned is through the due process of a trial by jury.

Jose Padilla may be a traitor and a terrorist. But he was not captured in Afghanistan with a gun in his hand. He was arrested at Chicago O'Hare airport. If Jose Padilla can be held without criminal charges, strictly on the say-so of the President, then any American can be. That is tyranny. We must put an end to it.

It is essential that Padilla be either freed or charged with a crime.

[ 27. August 2005, 04:20: Message edited by: wantafanta ]

Capt. Murphy
27-08-05, 13:44
Would you mind if he was set free anywhere near where you live wantafanta? http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/privateeye.gif

wantafanta
27-08-05, 14:53
Charge him or set him free. What happened to the "right to a speedy trial." No I wouldn't mind. I live in America. This is not East Bloc Czechoslovakia in 1962. This is not Cuba. This is not Saddam's Iraq. You can trade your personal liberties away if you want. But that's not for me.

nikos
27-08-05, 16:43
Cases like this,means that terrorism defeat democracy and freedom! http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/c-1.gif
If people loose everything they got,after so many fights for centuries,just because of the fear of terrorism,then bin laden should be happy for this! :(

I dont know who is that guy,and what he is doing in your country,but this new story "in jail,just because he is suspicious",its too much!
If there are evidence send him in jail,for life,if there aren't free him,or use the "golden cut", ban him from your country!

AFAIK,there is a clear demand,of the usa goverment,to all the countries,that, if there is someone just.. suspicious for anti-american actions,he should be arrested and send to usa for a trial,or even worce a new style of international "jail",for people who are just suspisious, but there are not evidence against them!But if the other country refuse,then usa,can arrest him without a warning to the goverment of that country!!!!!!!! http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/yikes.gif

I think all these are too hard,and i dont get,how a country like usa, supposed is fighting for the human rights of the rest of the world,takes decisions like this! http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/privateeye.gif
If you also think for how many times usa,also world's, justice send for life in jail or even in death, innocent people,then this new "thing",is absolutely dangerous! http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/yikes.gif

Finally think that,too much precautions,are also dangerous,as if you dont take care at all!
All this "panic", will be a boomerang,against you!

[ 27. August 2005, 17:59: Message edited by: nikos ]

wantafanta
28-08-05, 00:26
Originally posted by nikos:
Cases like this,means that terrorism defeat democracy and freedom! http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/c-1.gif
If people loose everything they got,after so many fights for centuries,just because of the fear of terrorism,then bin laden should be happy for this! :(
Exactly. The US is supposed to be teaching Iraq about democracy, but here in the US, we are giving up democracy for security. We can put everybody in jail and then we will all be safe. But who wants to live like that? Not me!

BTW, Capt., I think Padilla was from Chicago, maybe right in my neighborhood.

A right is either right or it isn't. There is no middle ground. If we throw away our rights at the first test, then what good are they?

[ 28. August 2005, 01:28: Message edited by: wantafanta ]

Joseph
28-08-05, 01:09
Suspection of terrorism is an exceptional case. I can't see why that would be 'tiranny'.

wantafanta
28-08-05, 06:09
It is not a crime to be a suspect. If the government has a case against Padilla, then they should bring it to trial. If they don't have a case, then why are they keeping him? If they can do this to him, then they can do this to anyone. Obviously, they don't have a case against him, or they would put him on trial.

Sometimes the guilty go free. But that is the price we pay for living in a free society.

Draco
28-08-05, 13:28
Double post......

[ 28. August 2005, 14:32: Message edited by: Draco ]

Draco
28-08-05, 13:30
I agree with the extreme left on this, he should be charged, so he can stay locked up.

SHELL
28-08-05, 14:27
There is wat to little info here to really judge what are the correct actions. There may be a large amount of covincing evidence but they need to tie it up legally before charging him offically. The law is a pretty complex thing. But u ca b guilty as hel as still walk away just because of loopholes. Look at Oj. I think the govermnt is aware of this. If you have somone u have knowldge of being a terrorist ad u dont grab them by the time u blink they dissappear. If the president stepped in chances are there is some heavey evidence agaist this guy. I wouldt want him on my flight..

nikos
28-08-05, 17:54
Original posted by joseph
Suspection of terrorism is an exceptional case. I can't see why that would be 'tiranny'Yes i agree,but not forever in jail,until they found evidences!its too much!
If you suspect someone for terrorism,you should have a serious reason for this!
So you should have some clear evidences!that's logic,so where are the evidence?if they get them,book him,if there aren't why is he still suspect?
And by the way everyone could be a suspect

Joseph
28-08-05, 19:14
No,not everyone could be a suspect. Everyone could be the criminal, without anyone noticing. A suspect is someone who behaves differently so they look like a suspect. But could be completely innocent. Successfull criminals are the ones who do not behave suspicious.

wantafanta
29-08-05, 00:54
Originally posted by JOE: MICHELLE:
But u ca b guilty as hel as still walk away just because of loopholes. Look at Oj. OJ probably got away with murder, in my opinion. The system is not perfect. But it is better to have a guilty man go free than to have an innocent person locked away.

And it won't stop with terrorism. They'll start putting gang suspects away without a trial, claiming that being in a gang is terror. Then they'll put suspected bank robbers away without a trial. That's how a police state starts. Pretty soon, they can do whatever they want and you can't see your lawyer. "The road to he*l is paved with good intentions."
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nikos
29-08-05, 17:59
Joseph i mean that everyone could be a suspect,by the meaning of anti war feelings!they could blame him as an anti american or so and in that way everyone could be a '"suspect"!
Ok its seems to be too "much",but cases like padilla and many others i know in greece,gives me the "bad" idea! http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/yikes.gif