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Paulie
04-10-04, 12:59
Since browsing these forums I have noticed that a lot of people are advised to set the CD drive from which they run the games from should be drive letter D.

In my experience there are only two rules to follow regarding CD drives.

1. If you have multiple CD drives then you should use the first one i.e. If you have drives F, G and H, then you should install from F.

2. You must always insert the game CD into the drive from which the game was installed i.e. If you installed the game with the disk in F, then you should put the disk in drive F everytime you play the game.

I have found no problems if I follow these rules.

I have recently started to use a virtual cd which uses the drive letter F. I have all of the TR games installed as virtual cds and play them without any problem.

My system is as follows:

Windows XP Pro
AMD XP3000+ Barton
1Gb Memory
GeForce FX 5700
Audigy 2 Platinum

Drives C, D and E are Hard Disks
Drive F is the Virtual CD
Drive G is a 52x CD Rom
Drive H is a 52x 32x 52x CD Writer
Drive I is an 8x DVD Rom
Drive J is a Hard Disk

Joseph
04-10-04, 18:00
Thanks Paulie for your comment. Does it work also for TR1 that way, on your PC? I'd really like to know this.

Paulie
04-10-04, 23:16
Yeah, works fine; I run TR1 with a virtual cd running as drive F.

[ 05. October 2004, 00:16: Message edited by: Paulie ]

Simulation
05-10-04, 19:03
Hi Paulie,

Do you get the music and the effect sounds? and are you running TR1 with Glidos?

Paulie
05-10-04, 22:49
I am running under Glidos (1280 x 1024 x 32) along with VDM sound, and yes I get all the music and effects etc.

My version of TR1 is the Sold-Out version with the duff audio tracks, so I had to download a good set of audio files and burn myself a new mixed-media disk.

As I said before the disk is running as a virtual CD drive F. http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/smile.gif

Simulation
05-10-04, 22:59
Thanks for the info Paulie http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/wave.gif

I might have some more questions tomorrow.

Joseph
06-10-04, 00:07
Thanks Paulie. http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/thumb.gif
You know i am glad with this info. Too bad i can not check this myself, as i have on my PC1: </font> Windows XP on C:\ (in NTFS), and the (first) cd/rw/player is D:\</font>On my PC2: </font> WinME on C:\ (in FAT32), and the (first) cd/rw/player is also D:\ (because it doesn't see the "D" partition in NTFS on which is WinXP)</font> WinXP on D:\ (in NTFS) and the (first) cd/rw/player is K:\ (already mentioned: this partition is in NTFS, so it is invisible to WinME)</font>I cannot check what you say, because TR1 can only be installed on a "C" partition, and the Advanced Installer chooses "C" automatically without possibility to change that (my XP partition is on "D", see the bold text).
I am interested in all information i can get on this TR1 on XP issue. Since this thread (http://www.tombraiderforums.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=11;t=001171) started. I did my best to sort problems out for other members who tried to play TR1 on XP, while i myself have always been playing TR1 (without any problem) first on Win98SE, later on WinME, finally i only play it on the WinME partition of my dual-boot system ;) . So i need info from other users!
This (above mentioned, linked) thread, i want to make it into a "total instruction on how to play TR1 in XP".
Lately, i realised that on my first PC (Win98SE) i had all the sounds on TR1 although it had no soundcard but it did have a cable from the dvd player connected to a socket on the motherboard (the sound connection, to the AC'97 chip). It differs per motherboard if that socket is available. ;)

[ 06. October 2004, 01:35: Message edited by: joseph ]

Paulie
06-10-04, 08:53
I think we may need to back up a little as I have found a problem with TR1.

After making my last post I was playing the game and got to the part where Larson confronts Lara at the pool (Tomb of Qualopec I think??). This cutscene has no sound. The required sound for this scene is one of the 10 tracks on the audio session on the CD.

Firstly let me list the sounds I can hear:-

1. Main menu music.
2. FMV audio.
3. In game stuff e.g. footsteps, gunfire, animals noises, Lara's grunts and moans, doors etc.
4. Menu sounds when in the inventory.

The game seems to use two ways of generating sound; playing audio files from within the game and playing audio tracks from the CD. It would appear that if I am hearing the "effects" sounds the problem would seem to be that I am not hearing the CD audio tracks. Is the main menu music one of the cd audio tracks? If so the problem must lie elsewhere.

If I try to play the audio tracks on the CD using WMP or Winamp they play ok, so the CD is ok too.

The problem may lie with the fact that I am running the game from a Virtual CD i.e. With all the emulation running (Glidos/VDM sound) there may be an incompatibilty issue or, it may just be as stated elsewhere in these forums that the game can only read the audio tracks if the disk is in drive D.

There are a number of things I can do to try and find out what the problem is.

1. Switch my drive letters so that Drive F is a real CD Rom and obviously put the real disk in it. This should prove whether it is simply a compatibility problem with my Virtual CD software.

2. Switch my drive letters again so that I have Drive D as a real CD Rom Drive. Uninstall the game and then reinstall it from Drive D. This should prove whether or not the game requires the audio to be in drive D.

3. Switch my drive letters again so that I have Drive D as a Virtual CD. If procedure 2 above cured my problems, this will show any incompatibilty with the Virtual CD software.

There is however one more variable: I have the Glidos audiopack installed. I think it may be for the best if I uninstall this before I carry out the above tests.

As a sidebar to this, I have an interesting problem with Glidos. I can play the game for varying amounts of time then the screen goes blank. The game is still active i.e. you can hear Lara running about, but no graphics. If I can find my way to the Title Screen, the graphics reappear and I can load my game and play without Glidos having any problems at all!!!

I will try and do some testing this evening and post my results later on.

I can understand the frustrations some people have with trying to run this game, I am an IT manager with twenty years experience of building, installing, repairing and programming computers and getting the game to run can be tricky if you "know what you're doing". Perhaps I'm a bit of a sadist, but I do enjoy the challenge of getting software to work.

If I can sort out my problems I will reinstall everything from scratch and post the reinstall procedure here so that everyone can see how to do it. I will also detail how to recreate the audio tracks if you have the Sold-Out disk with the duff audio tracks.

Speak to you soon. http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/smile.gif

Paulie
06-10-04, 09:25
I've just been browsing the Glidos forums and there's a guy there successfully running TR1 and his CD Rom is Drive G. So if I'm lucky my problem may just be an incompatibility with my Virtual CD software.

I've just spent an hour reading a thread on this forum about the very same problem. I have made a note to check the following:

1. Cable from CD to soundcard (which I know there is).

2. Check to see if digital audio is turned on for my CD Drive. If I use digital audio on the CD Drive do I need to connect a digital audio lead from the CD Drive to the soundcard?

3. Make sure that CD Audio is not muted in my Audigy 2 mixer.

4. Check the in game volume settings.

I've just remembered that I have to go out this evening :( , but as soon as I have any news you'll be the first to know. http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/smile.gif

[ 06. October 2004, 12:23: Message edited by: Paulie ]

Joseph
06-10-04, 12:49
Thanks Paulie for your reply. I've just spent an hour reading a thread on this forum about the very same problem. Was it
THIS THREAD (http://www.tombraiderforums.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=11;t=001171;p=1) you read? ;)
On
THIS PAGE (http://www.tombraiderforums.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=11;t=001171;p=11) i describe the procedure.
And on this page (http://www.tombraiderforums.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=11;t=001171;p=18) i configure the sound in VDMSound.

I will also detail how to recreate the audio tracks if you have the Sold-Out disk with the duff audio tracks.
Thanks, but we already did that. ;)
LOOK HERE (http://www.tombraiderforums.com/hub/trso_sound.html)

2. Check to see if digital audio is turned on for my CD Drive. If I use digital audio on the CD Drive do I need to connect a digital audio lead from the CD Drive to the soundcard?
Yes, Paulie. The cable is needed, to be able to play the audiotracks and the ingame sounds at the same time.
The game seems to use two ways of generating sound; playing audio files from within the game and playing audio tracks from the CD. It would appear that if I am hearing the "effects" sounds the problem would seem to be that I am not hearing the CD audio tracks. Is the main menu music one of the cd audio tracks? If so the problem must lie elsewhere.
Yes Paulie. The game uses 2 types of sound. On the cd are 9 audiotracks which are plain .wav files; you can play them as music with your Windows Media Player. The ingame sounds (gunshots, footsteps, etc) are mixed with the games data.
As a sidebar to this, I have an interesting problem with Glidos. I can play the game for varying amounts of time then the screen goes blank. The game is still active i.e. you can hear Lara running about, but no graphics. If I can find my way to the Title Screen, the graphics reappear and I can load my game and play without Glidos having any problems at all!!!
That is because Glidos uses DOS emulation. WinXP is not able to shut it down, so after freezing of the game and returning to desktop, the sounds can still go on.

Paulie
06-10-04, 13:53
Yes that was the thread I was reading. I have made some notes regarding the VDM Sound and Glidos installation, that I will investigate when I get time.

I am sure my DVD Rom has its digital output connected to the sound card, but I'll check that out too.

Do I need to enable digital on the CD Drive or am I dreaming?

That is because Glidos uses DOS emulation. WinXP is not able to shut it down, so after freezing of the game and returning to desktop, the sounds can still go on.I think you misunderstand me here. The game isn't crashing per se, it's just that there are no graphics just as if someone had turned the monitor off. Imagine playing blindfolded, accessing the inventory, then the passport and exiting to the main title page. This is what I do, and as soon as I get to the title page the graphics reappear. Then I can load my game and carry on!!!!! http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/smile.gif

Joseph
06-10-04, 14:06
Hi Paulie. http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/wave.gif
Yes you have to enable digital audio for the cd / dvd player. I know that YOU know exactly what i am talking about, but for the average member reading this thread, i explain how to do it.

in Windows soundvolume control, check that CD-AUDIO is not mute. Volume up.

http://joseph.tombraiderforums.com/Images/cdaudio.gif

And check the same situation in the sound control menu of your soundcard (like the Creative surroundmixer if you have a Creative soundcatrd like Soundblaster Live or Audigy) or soundchip.

http://joseph.tombraiderforums.com/Images/creative1.jpg

After this, go to Device Manager. Doubleclick on your cd-rom drive / tab Properties. Check on "digital cd-audio for this cd-rom drive".
http://joseph.tombraiderforums.com/Images/cdplayer2.gif

Joseph
06-10-04, 14:19
Originally posted by Paulie:The game isn't crashing per se, it's just that there are no graphics just as if someone had turned the monitor off. Imagine playing blindfolded, accessing the inventory, then the passport and exiting to the main title page. This is what I do, and as soon as I get to the title page the graphics reappear. Then I can load my game and carry on!!!!! http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/smile.gif Mmmm.... yes. Looks to me like overload of the cpu. Glidos, emulating DOS environment in Windows XP, takes 100% cpu usage. I can imagine that the faster the cpu is, the lesser this problem may occur.Maybe you would share with us what are your computer's specs?
Playing TR1 in Glidos, you will have noticed the small delays between the opening sequences, that's normal.

Also, is it possible it has to do with the virtual drive? I have no experience with that.

Paulie
06-10-04, 15:21
This is the spec of my PC

Windows XP Pro (SP2)
AMD XP3000+ Barton
1Gb Memory
GeForce FX 5700LE 256Mb
Audigy 2 ZS Platinum

Drives C, D and E are Hard Disks
Drive F is the Virtual CD
Drive G is a 52x CD Rom
Drive H is a 52x 32x 52x CD Writer
Drive I is an 8x DVD Rom
Drive J is a Hard Disk

[ 06. October 2004, 16:21: Message edited by: Paulie ]

Joseph
06-10-04, 18:10
http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/redface.gif So sorry Paulie i asked for your specs while your first post already said it...! My head is not worth much lately, please forgive me. http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/redface.gif

Your computer is excellent. http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/thumb.gif

So, this is interesting. As i said, i don't know (yet) the perspectives for TR1 from a virtual cd drive. I never done that. (i read in a magazine a few months ago about installing Windows on a virtual hdddrive, it had a cd with the program on it, i never used it.)

My own experience is that i couldn't get TR1 installed on my WinXP partition on my PC2 (as already mentioned above) </font> WinXP on D:\ (in NTFS) and the (first) cd/rw/player is K:\ (Pentium4 ~2.66 Ghz / 1024 Mb PC2700 DDR Ram / Ati Radeon 9700Pro 128Mb / Creative Audigy 2)</font>All my success with TR1 on XP (as described in the several threads) is done on PC1: </font> Windows XP on C:\ (in NTFS), and the (first) cd/rw/player is D:\ (Pentium3 ~733Mhz / 1024Mb SDRam / Geforce3 Ti 4200 64 Mb / Creative Soundblaster Live! )</font>I normally play TR1 on Windows ME , on my first partition of my dualboot system on PC2 (without any problem whatsoever).
I'm very interested in the results of your experiments, Paulie. A guy with so much experience as you have, must know a lot! :eek:
A question: do you have a second (or more) delay between the sounds and the animations when playing TR1 using Glidos?

[ 07. October 2004, 20:45: Message edited by: joseph ]

Simulation
06-10-04, 23:24
OK... I had a little play this evening with the CD-ROMS

I uninstalled Glidos and VDMSound and TR1

Then installed VDM 2.0.4, Glidos 1.29 and TR1 using the Installer.

My normal configuration is:-
Win2000, Athlon2400+, Realtek AC97 chip

C: Hard drive NTFS
D: CD-ROM 1 - No audio cable - Digital Audio enabled
E: CD-ROM 2 - audio cable - Digital Audio disabled
All sounds running and no delays. http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/thumb.gif

Disabled Digital Audio - No Music (as expected)

I used Disk management to swap CD-ROM drive letters:-

G: CD-ROM 2 - audio cable- Digital Audio disabled
H: CD-ROM 1 - No audio cable - Digital Audio enabled

Placed CD in G: and... All sounds running and no delays. http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/thumb.gif

Conclusion:-

You must put the CD in the Drive with the lowest Drive Letter, but it doesn't have to be D:

If you don't have an audio cable enable digital audio.

Simulation
06-10-04, 23:38
I have updated the TR1 FAQ.

Can you guys take a look and see if you want any other points added or corrected. I will add some more screen shots over the next couple of days.

http://www.tombraiderforums.com/~simulation/tronefaq/images/title.gif (http://www.tombraiderforums.com/tr1walk/faq.html)

[ 15. October 2004, 14:21: Message edited by: Simulation ]

Joseph
07-10-04, 00:14
:eek: http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/clown.gif http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/yikes.gif wow, Sim! Interesting!
http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/c-5.gif But you did this on Win2000. And what about XP?

SYS
07-10-04, 06:01
...a voice from the darkness.....

Oh, I'm a bit frustrated about I missed this thread: it was a well known thing for me for ages. The lowest drive-letter, yes. And it's also important for TR2, not only for TR1... http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/smile.gif

I have two "CD-ROMs": "R:" for "Real" (LG 16x/48x DVD/CD-player) and "V:" for "Virtual" (for Daemon Tools). I always play from image-files, by using Daemon Tools (so, I don't have to change disks "physically" and it's faster too), so when I want to play TR1+Gold or TR2+Gold, I simply change "R:" to "Y:" (so, "V:" will become to be the first), and after playing, I change it back. I've been doing this since the beginning of 2003... Heck, how could I miss this important topic (and GABI's thread too)?! :D

Joseph, I use Windows XP too... http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/smile.gif

SYS "Congratulations Ms Croft. You are positively Amazonian."

[ 07. October 2004, 07:12: Message edited by: SYS ]

Paulie
07-10-04, 09:15
Status Report

Hi Sim and Sys thanks for the input. http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/smile.gif

I tried out all of the ideas I listed in my previous posts without any success i.e. Virtual and real CD Drives, changing drive letters and messing with the VDM settings. I even tried it with and without Glidos. http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/c-1.gif

It is interesting that Sim's CD is NOT using digital audio. I have tested with and without digital audio both without success. My real CD has both its digital and analog outputs connected to my soundcard, and I even checked that their channels were not muted and their levels were turned up.

Sys, I know you are using a Virtual CD but you do have a working XP installation, could please answer the following questions for me.
</font> Does it have digital audio enabled or not?</font> What soundcard are you using?</font> If you are using VDM Sound what are your settings?</font> Are you using Glidos?</font>I started to think that the problems may just be specific to the Sold-Out version, but in the other post Gabi tried both the Sold-Out release and another one didn't she. Having said that I have managed to locate a copy of Tomb Raider Gold which I should have in my possession in a week or so.

I've just been reading Sim's XP/2000 page and he has reminded me to try something that haven't tried as yet (and should have done because it was in the Gabi thread), and that is to disable all the other CD/DVD that are not in use. http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/redface.gif

Another Problem!!!
During testing I uninstalled VDM Sound, when I rebooted I had a number of problems. Windows XP no longer recognised my firewall and anti-virus, and a few programs failed to run due to dlls they couldn't find. It seems to me that the uninstall had corrupted the registry. Fab!!! :mad:

Fortunately I backup everyday (twenty years of computing experience) so I just restored my boot partition from my previous days backup, which only took ten minutes and everything was back to normal. Sadist that I am I may try and reproduce the problem just to see if it was "just one of those things". :D

Could Be Useful
If the CD drive being used has a headphone socket on it, might it may be worth having a listen to see if the audio tracks are even being played. I don't think any of my drives have a headphone socket, but I might have a drive that does in the ever growing pile of old PC bits and pieces I have in the garage.

[ 07. October 2004, 12:59: Message edited by: Paulie ]

TRDigger
07-10-04, 15:35
Hi all http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/wave.gif Seem to have similar problem.

1-No ambient music, 2-no dialogue with Larsen at tomb of Qualopec, 3-no menu music

FMV sound/intro music OK,

Win MPlayer shows 9 tracks that play on the TR1 UB cd but can't hear anything.

CD Rom drives in Device Manager & Soundbaster mixer are enabled with volumes on max. DM won't allow me to uncheck digital cd-audio box ( is this important ?)

OS:Win ME, Creative SoundBlasterLiveValue, driveE =CD RW/CD rom, D =DVD/CD rom

Game loaded/played on drive D as indicated,(no Glidos).

Like to get the full impact of the game, Can any one help, specificaly for ME, I'm not to technical.

[ 07. October 2004, 16:37: Message edited by: TRDigger ]

Paulie
07-10-04, 15:50
Hiya Buddy,

You've got the Sold-Out version of the game haven't you. If so the music CD are no good. If you have a CD burner follow the link below that can help you out.

http://www.tombraiderforums.com/tr1walk/trso_sound.html

Joseph, Sim and Sys can help you out. Sorry I can't be more helpful but I am just about to leave work. I pop back when I get home see how you get on. http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/smile.gif

SYS
07-10-04, 18:15
...a voice from the darkness.....

Oh no..my whole post lost due to the quick Forum-backup. :( I used CTRL+A and CTRL+C though, as always, but I also used it in another window, and the Back-button didn't help, so... So, I'm going to type it again... http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/bash.gif

Paulie, this is a great contribution, so I'm going to keep an eye on this topic... http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/thumb.gif And here my answers go...

1. Yes, in Device Manager. But I also enabled "Analog audio" in Daemon Tools' Options menu...

2. Creative Sound Blaster Audigy 1 with perhaps the latest drivers from last year's october-november...

3. Port=220, IRQ=7, DMA=1 - so, the usual, and as I know, other settings won't work with VDMSound, or am I wrong here? :confused:

4. Yes, of course (GliDOS 1.29 is installed)... http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/smile.gif I've been using GliDOS since the middle of 2001 anyway (after my old Voodoo1 crashed, I found GliDOS and I started to use version 1.5), and I couldn't live without it...

So, Your TR1 is silent? When I read Your first post, I thought it works fine for You. Maybe I misunderstood something or I was a bit inattentive again... http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/redface.gif

SYS "Congratulations Ms Croft. You are positively Amazonian."

[ 07. October 2004, 19:18: Message edited by: SYS ]

Paulie
07-10-04, 18:33
Hi again Sys,

It wasn't until I got to the first cut scene and had no sound did I realise I had a problem. The game was never silent I had everything but the audio tracks from the CD.

I'm sure that's all up there somwhere, but I won't hold it against you. ;)

SYS
07-10-04, 18:48
...a voice from the darkness.....

Paulie, if only the "cut-scenes" were silent then perhaps we already would know the solution. Because I also experience almost that - only silent "cut-scenes" here, the rest is okay -, and I think, I know the reason... So, do You hear the title and ambient musics anyway? I'm qouting from You now...

"
1. Main menu music.
2. FMV audio.
3. In game stuff e.g. footsteps, gunfire, animals noises, Lara's grunts and moans, doors etc.
4. Menu sounds when in the inventory.
"

So, I noticed that Paul's audiopack doesn't contain the "cut-scene"-sounds. If You want to hear them, You have to disable this feature and You also have to turn Red Book Emulation on. But it could be true only if You hear the title and ambient musics, and You can't hear only the sounds of the "cut-scenes". If this is the problem, then I'll check it out on my system, and I'll speak more... http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/smile.gif

Hmm... I'm almost sure about this could be the problem...

Here are my GliDOS-settings...

"
Selected: Tomb Raider

Name: Tomb Raider
Executable: C:\Tomb Raider\Games\Tomb1\Tomb.exe
ExeSizes: 873739
CDCheckFile: data\Level10c.phd
DosGraphics: Yes
ControlJudderFix: 1
Resolution: 1
FullScreen: Yes
ForcedTextureSmoothing: Yes
GammaAdjustment: 1.10
TextureOverride: Yes
Mp3BackgroundSounds: Yes
RedbookEmulation: Yes

Name: Unfinished Business
Executable: C:\Tomb Raider\Games\Tomb1Gold\Tombub.exe
ExeSizes: 867563, 868075
DosGraphics: Yes
VESASupport: Yes
ControlJudderFix: 1
Resolution: 1
FullScreen: Yes
ForcedTextureSmoothing: Yes
GammaAdjustment: 1.10
RedbookEmulation: Yes
"

If You want to hear the "cut-scenes", disable the "Mp3BackgroundSounds"-line (and don't forget to include the "RedbookEmulation: Yes" line!). Try this now, hopefully it will help... http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/smile.gif I haven't checked it yet though, but it should work...

SYS "Congratulations Ms Croft. You are positively Amazonian."

[ 07. October 2004, 22:59: Message edited by: SYS ]

Paulie
07-10-04, 22:16
Sys, you are the man!

I edited my Glidos.ini and deleted the line:-

Mp3BackgroundSounds: Yes

And the cutscene audio sprang into life. http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/jumper.gif

The only problem I have now is that the audio files are in the wrong order on the CD (but that's in another thread somewhere). :(

Well I'm a happy bunny now.

Thanks again guys. :D

[ 07. October 2004, 23:30: Message edited by: Paulie ]

Simulation
07-10-04, 22:23
I'll add this bit of info to the FAQ. http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/smile.gif

Joseph
07-10-04, 22:57
Call it the "TR1 Magical Mystery Tour". Paulie, SYS, i'm so glad with both your comments!

Paulie
07-10-04, 23:57
Regarding the audio tracks; they weren't in the wrong order, it was just that I didn't need the dummy track! http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/smile.gif

Joseph
08-10-04, 00:31
Track 1, the dummy track.
Can you tell more about your experience and why you could do without track 1 Paulie?

Another thing, i think we would do good in showing a printscreen of our copies, so as to make clear which versions we use.
This is mine, it's a doublepack TR1 / UB
http://joseph.tombraiderforums.com/Images/tr1cover.jpg
İCore Design; İEidos

TRDigger
08-10-04, 03:42
Originally posted by Paulie:
Hiya Buddy,

You've got the Sold-Out version of the game haven't you. If so the music CD are no good. If you have a CD burner follow the link below that can help you out.

http://www.tombraiderforums.com/tr1walk/trso_sound.html

Joseph, Sim and Sys can help you out. Sorry I can't be more helpful but I am just about to leave work. I pop back when I get home see how you get on. http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/smile.gif The links indicates for XP (I have Win ME which should have worked) but I will give it a go.

Paulie
08-10-04, 07:26
TR Digger,

I know the page shows XP screens shots, but the imformation could be exactly what you're looking for.

On the Sold-Out disks the audio tracks are on the disk, but if you play them they are silent. Hence you have to make a new disk with a good set of audio tracks, and that page shows you how to do it.

At this point your OS doesen't matter. http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/smile.gif

[ 08. October 2004, 10:17: Message edited by: Paulie ]

Paulie
08-10-04, 07:51
Joseph,

This is the version of TR that I am using

http://images-eu.amazon.com/images/P/B00004XS56.02.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

Please ignore/delete that post about the dummy track, it was quite late/early and I was obviously suffering from brain fade (or over excitement at getting the audio to work, lol).

What I meant to say was; on my disk it turned out that my audio tracks weren't in the wrong order, they were offset forwards by one track. This is due to the fact that in the audiopack I downloaded from http://www.tombraiderchronicles.com/windowsxp.html the first track is not needed. I presume this was added by someone who didn't realise that the first track shown if you examine the disk is the data track.

When I made my new CD with the fixed audio tracks I burnt all ten tracks, when I should have burnt just the last nine. Once I realised my error and made another CD using just the last nine nine tracks from the audiopack everything was ok.

Sorry for any confusion. http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/redface.gif

Note to self: please ensure I am in possession of all my faculties before posting on the forum. :D

I've just installed TR on another computer and the Mp3BackgroundSounds line is in the Glidos.ini. So this feature is set active by default and must be disabled. :mad:

[ 08. October 2004, 10:15: Message edited by: Paulie ]

Joseph
08-10-04, 09:45
Originally posted by Paulie: I presume this was added by someone who didn't realise that the first track shown if you examine the disk is the data track.
Hi Paulie! http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/wave.gif The dummy track (track1) is there, because there are 10 tracks on the TR1 cd, the first of which is data.
http://joseph.tombraiderforums.com/Images/tr1-tracks.gif
The dummy track is needed, because the game "knows" that Track2 is the intro music. this thread, (http://www.tombraiderforums.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=11;t=001121;p=1) page 1 and 2. Originally posted in the other thread by Simulation:
Hi Joseph,

The tracks map out as you have said. The trouble is I think TR is playing them in the wrong order. So I probably need to rearrange the order they are written to the CD.

For example, on the start menu screen (Lara's face with the options for Audio, display, House etc) it plays audio track 2 (spooky sound in cave), but I think it should be play track 1 (TR main music).

Looks like there is some more work to be done . I'm going to try my first guess, which is I need to add a dummy track at the begining and pretend there are 10 tracks. I'll let you know if it works. Originally posted in the other thread by jjohn: Hi Sim thanks for the tracks - burnt and all working well .
Yes you need a dummy track for position 1 on the cd (make it a small one but it doesn't really matter). Originally posted by Paulie: made another CD using just the last nine nine tracks from the audiopack everything was ok.
So you claim it is not needed. Well ok, i wouldn't know. I haven't made an audio replacement cd, so haven't tested this. Let's hear Sim's and jjohn's comments on this. http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif

[ 08. October 2004, 11:01: Message edited by: joseph ]

Simulation
08-10-04, 11:25
Cough.... cough.... http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/whistle.gif

Extract from the Sold Out Sound FAQ

</font> Copy the TR1 audio files 2 -10*</font> * Audio Track 1 is a dummy track only for use in method 2.

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[ 08. October 2004, 12:27: Message edited by: Simulation ]

Paulie
08-10-04, 12:58
:rolleyes: http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/redface.gif :D

TRDigger
09-10-04, 14:03
Originally posted by Paulie:
Hiya Buddy,

You've got the Sold-Out version of the game haven't you. If so the music CD are no good. If you have a CD burner follow the link below that can help you out.

http://www.tombraiderforums.com/tr1walk/trso_sound.html

Joseph, Sim and Sys can help you out. Sorry I can't be more helpful but I am just about to leave work. I pop back when I get home see how you get on. http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/smile.gif Done all as instructed (DL sounds & burnt onto single CD-method 1). I can now hear the 9 tracks in WMP incl Larson dialogue with Lara(track 7). But can't hear it in game.

Uninstalled TOMBRAID, and reinstalled TR1UB from the copied CD with the DL sounds and also copied across the saved games just before the dialogue. And still can't hear larson or ambient music!

Any suggestions? http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/c-1.gif

[ 09. October 2004, 15:12: Message edited by: TRDigger ]

Joseph
09-10-04, 15:07
And when you start the game all over? I guess it will not work with saved games.

TRDigger
09-10-04, 15:30
The game starts fine where the game was saved last just before battle with larson (no dialogue or menu music).

Do you suggest to start afresh ie. delete TOMBRAID & load burnt cd with DL sound files agian but without copying previous saved game files across, and as you say START AGAIN?

Joseph
09-10-04, 17:41
Yes, that is what i meant. A fresh install with all, but without your savegames. I would do it, just to check.

But can you explain this, i mean what are you doing? Uninstalled TOMBRAID, and reinstalled TR1UB from the copied CD TOMBRAID =TR1. it is not the same as UNFINISHED BUSINESS.

I quote myself from page 20 of the GABI thread:
Originally posted by joseph:

No sound at all on Unfinished Business... did you install it with vdmsound? With or without Glidos? (First, you have to install without Glidos untill the game will run in grotty graphics mode and with sound.)

I just installed it, without Glidos, this way:
Replaced the voodoo version of TOMB.EXE that was in use by Glidos for TR1, with the standard one.
Put cd in drive D: (the cdrom drive). Closed autorun. Explored cd, doubleclicked "installt.exe". Game installed, but wouldn't run (of course). Opened TOMBRAID directory. Rightclick SETUP.EXE, chose to "run with VDMSound". Chose to reuse an earlier setupconfiguration, namely the other "setup vdmsound shortcut" of TR1. Run setup, and seen that the right settings were already done. Ok, close with windows start button and exit. The same with TOMBUB.EXE: rightclicked on it, chose to "run with vdmsound", reuse an earlier configuration, namely the "TOMB vdmsound shortcut" that was used by TR1. Started the game, and it played with full sound.

To play it with Glidos, first replace the installed TOMBUB.EXE with the voodoo version: </font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr /> Originally said by Glidos: for "Unfinished Business" its on the second CD in the "\original\voodoo" folder. Open that folder and "C:\Tombraider" and drag the new tomb.exe across. Hold down the &lt;CTRL&gt; key while you do this, so that you copy the actual file not just a shortcut. Also, don't drop the file on an icon; find a bit of blank space in the folder. http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/thumb.gif </font>[/QUOTE]

Joseph
14-10-04, 00:02
TR Digger, how are you doing with it today?
CD Rom drives in Device Manager & Soundbaster mixer are enabled with volumes on max. DM won't allow me to uncheck digital cd-audio box ( is this important ?)
This is strange to me; you should be able to check/uncheck.

Also, i see now, that i forgot that you play on WindowsME. In that case, you wouldn't need to insatll vdmsound (only if you play with Glidos). Anyway, it is best to first get it installed and running without any problem before installing / using Glidos.
TR1 / UB should go without any problem on Windows ME. Which versions do you have?
On the original cd's there is a readme / faq in the folder "info" on each cd.
If you prefer to install it via explorer, note that UB installs via Installt.exe (note the added "t") and the exe is called TOMBUB.EXE. Maybe you don't see the .exe extensions?, then you go to Control Panel / Folder-options, and uncheck "Don't show file extensions for known file types".

[ 14. October 2004, 01:06: Message edited by: joseph ]

TRDigger
15-10-04, 15:50
Guys- using method 1, burnt tracks 2-10 & TR1 CD OK, as instructed (even with ME.).
Still could not hear main menu title(ambient) music. Then I used headphones in the CD-ROM and wha la, Music! I can't remember where I read it (as in running a cable from the CD-ROM to the soundcards AUDIO IN socket, or something similar), but it worked. I then copied my saved games (which I had copied into another folder for safe keeping) into the TOMBRAID folder and tested Larson and got dialogue http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/c-5.gif . Can anyone give me advise on the cable?

Thanks you for your help Paulie, Sim, Sys & Joseph http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/thumb.gif .

Jos- yep can't uncheck digital audio (it a sony, if that makes any difference, may be can't play anologue?) :confused:

Both TR1 & UB (Sold Out TRUB software) save to C:\TOMBRAID folder for some reason? Can play TR1 but not UB for now?

I still need to burn a copy of the UB CD with the DL tracks as well. Will play after TR1 to build up the game menu items. Or do you play it as a seperate game altogether? SO MANY QUESTIONS :D

[ 15. October 2004, 17:00: Message edited by: TRDigger ]

Joseph
15-10-04, 19:56
Hi TRDigger.
Yes, Unfinshed Business installs in the same folder (TOMBRAID). But I have TR1 still there, and UB also installed. I can play TR1, as well switch to UB any time.

The Sony: maybe you're right and it can't play analogue... i didn't know.

The cable: yes i tried that as an experiment after i read that remarkable option :D , connecting a cable between the headphones plug and the soundcard IN-plug, but i didn't get that working.

Joseph
17-10-04, 08:42
Originally posted by TRDigger:
Thanks Net 'n Sim. Burnt CD of both TR1 n UB with downloaded sounds tracks and now have the ambient music/sounds and dialogue although only through a set of headphones pluged into the cd-rom, and the in game sounds as normal through the speakers.

I'm going to buy a digital audio cable to plug from the head phone jack on the cd-rom to the sound-in socket on the sound card to see if this will get the ambient sounds to play through the speakers also.

Does anyone know why both type of sounds don't play through the speakers?

Paulie
18-10-04, 11:13
TR Digger,

Have you also checked inside your pc to see if you have a physical connection (a cable) between your CD drive and your soundcard. :(

[ 18. October 2004, 12:19: Message edited by: Paulie ]

Joseph
18-10-04, 17:31
Yeah, i thought i mentioned that to TRDigger, but maybe not...
Originally posted by Joseph in other threads:On this page (http://www.tombraiderforums.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=11;t=001171;p=20) i explain more about the sounds not working on some PC's. Now Simulation says on the first page here: Originally posted by Simulation:
OK... I had a little play this evening with the CD-ROMS

I uninstalled Glidos and VDMSound and TR1

Then installed VDM 2.0.4, Glidos 1.29 and TR1 using the Installer.

My normal configuration is:-
Win2000, Athlon2400+, Realtek AC97 chip

C: Hard drive NTFS
D: CD-ROM 1 - No audio cable - Digital Audio enabled
E: CD-ROM 2 - audio cable - Digital Audio disabled
All sounds running and no delays. http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/thumb.gif

Disabled Digital Audio - No Music (as expected)

I used Disk management to swap CD-ROM drive letters:-

G: CD-ROM 2 - audio cable- Digital Audio disabled
H: CD-ROM 1 - No audio cable - Digital Audio enabled

Placed CD in G: and... All sounds running and no delays. http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/thumb.gif

Conclusion:-

You must put the CD in the Drive with the lowest Drive Letter, but it doesn't have to be D:

If you don't have an audio cable enable digital audio.But i think in his case it worked, because one of the 2 cdrom drives has an audiocable connected. I guess they're in master/slave connection, so the other will indirectly be connected to that cable...

TRDigger
21-10-04, 07:13
Originally posted by Paulie:
TR Digger,

Have you also checked inside your pc to see if you have a physical connection (a cable) between your CD drive and your soundcard. :( Yes, grey cable with 3 wire(red white & black). One from the CD/RW on drive E, and one from DVD on drive D( in which the game was installed) both connect to the sound card.

On both the CD & DVD at the end of the audio cable plugs are splinter cables that are not connected to anything?

Paulie
21-10-04, 08:24
Originally posted by TRDigger:
On both the CD & DVD at the end of the audio cable plugs are splinter cables that are not connected to anything?My cables are like this, it just allows you to connect to drives with different types of connector.

Is everything working to your satisfaction now? http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/smile.gif

[ 21. October 2004, 23:06: Message edited by: Paulie ]

TRDigger
28-10-04, 07:46
Finally all systems are go http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/jumper.gif The Laugh is on me. http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/redface.gif

On toolbar, Play Control (the speaker icon), Options, Properties, check Auxiliry (so it shows up on play control panel) and make certain it is not mute.

Do the same for the sound card mixer.

The reason is drive D is my dvd player in which I have loaded the game on (being the highest letter as instructed), and on the Play Controls it is Auxiliry not CD that must be enabled.

I wonder if this will help any one else?

And was it worth it? It sure is! The music & the ambient sounds makes the TR experience complete and now playing UB , makes it chilling.

Paulie
28-10-04, 07:52
No worries, it's easily missed.

Good to know that you've got everything working. :D

TRDigger
28-10-04, 07:56
And thanks every one, for your patients & help.

Joseph
28-10-04, 07:57
now playing UB , makes it chilling. Yes isn't it? The atmosphere! You get an early TR going, is always so rewarding. Chilling, is the word.
Congrats you succeeded! And thanks for letting us know how. http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/thumb.gif

Joseph
28-10-04, 08:00
your patients :confused: patience you mean i guess? ;)

Joseph
28-10-04, 08:01
Thanks for your patients. :D

Paulie
28-10-04, 09:14
I stayed up until 2 o'clock this morning finishing TR1. I'll be playing UB for the very first time this evening. :D http://www.paulwaring.co.uk/smilies/sleeping1.gif

Joseph
28-10-04, 09:23
Uh - oh. Be patient with Paulie today. :D

Have fun, you'll enjoy, Paulie! http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/thumb.gif