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Nicky
21-11-04, 14:58
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Is there any way I can give an apparently dead zip disk a kiss of life and rescue the data stored in it? :(

I put the disk in the zip drive but it doesn't open - moreover, it has the nerve to inform me that there's no disk in the drive :mad: Then I have to press CTRL-ALT-DEL in order to stop it from trying in vain to open.

I have tried it at a second machine, yet the same happens. This disk contains very important files and I desperately need to save them - if I lose them, there's no way I can replace them :(

boazboy
21-11-04, 16:08
Oh Nic... If it's mechanical failure of the Zip disk, then I'm afraid there's not much you can do... :(

You could perhaps give this little proggie here a try:
Trouble in Paradise (http://www.grc.com/tip/clickdeath.htm)

It's a standalone utility (no installation needed) that tests the condition of Iomega Zip 100 or 250 drives and disks and tries to fix them (if only temporarily) so you can save as much of your data as possible to another location. Follow the instructions carefully and see if anything can be done.

Please write back with info on how it went. http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/hug.gif
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Joseph
21-11-04, 16:32
But BB, if it is a mechanical failure couldn't it be solved just like with a audio cassette, by unscrewing and opening the case? Maybe there's just a tiny bit of dust in it, preventing the tape to move? I don't know, it is just what i would try. I don't know if a zip case has screws though... :(

[ 21. November 2004, 17:33: Message edited by: joseph ]

boazboy
21-11-04, 16:41
Unfortunately, no screws that I can see (at least not on the Zip 250 disk I'm looking at right now - supposing Nicky is using Iomega disks too). And no way to open it either unless you break the case. :( :confused:

I guess that's what the programme I told Nicky about is supposed to do - access the mechanical parts of a Zip disk that can't be physically accessed in any other way. Even read/write-protecting a Zip disk is done via a software, not hardware method (i.e. unlike an audio/video cassette, or a diskette for that matter, with tabs you can physically remove)... :(

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[ 21. November 2004, 17:45: Message edited by: Boaz's Boyfriend ]

Joseph
21-11-04, 16:53
Ah i see. http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/redface.gif Oops i thought it had a tape in it, but it is a disk... forget my suggestion http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/whistle.gif
Excellent link BB, Trouble in Paradise, i just feel it is the place where Nicky will find the solution sooner or later. http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/thumb.gif

Nicky
21-11-04, 17:01
BB, I downloaded that proggie but it doesn't recognize the zip disk. I also tried to check a healthy disk with it, but it doesn't seem to see that there's a disk in the drive.

Jo, indeed there are no screws on my disk (it's Iomega 100).

Don't tell me that there's no rescue :( It's nearly two years' work in that disk http://nicky.tombraiderforums.com/smilies/cry.gif

Joseph
21-11-04, 17:30
Nicky, have you read this page (http://www.grc.com/tip/codfaq4.htm) , (scroll down to "Now for some REALLY bad news")? I have the impression that you could investigate if your drive is physically damaged at all. They say it is very very rare, that gives me the courage to think your disk is not lost... :(

Nicky
21-11-04, 17:50
Thanks for directing me to that part, Jo http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/smile.gif It was elucidating enough as to make me realise that the zip disk is really and totally dead :( Dammit :( I knew the most rare of cases had to happen to me :mad: It happens all the time :(

The tragic irony is that I used that same disk in the morning with no problems. Since it wanted to commit suicide, why didn't it bother leaving a warning note so that I could remove all the files from its silly space? :mad: I hate it. If it wasn't already dead meat, I would have killed it myself :D :(

Nicky
22-11-04, 08:48
Originally posted by Nicky:
I downloaded that proggie but it doesn't recognize the zip disk.Oh well. As it turned out, this program doesn't work with XP :rolleyes:

Joseph
22-11-04, 12:36
But why were you so sure the disk is dead, Nicky?

Joseph
22-11-04, 12:38
"Doesn't work with XP" ? How do you know?

Joseph
22-11-04, 12:42
Originally said on the TIP FAQ page (http://www.grc.com/tip/codfaq8.htm) :
QUESTION: Under Windows NT 4.0 and Windows 2000, neither of your utilities (ID or TIP) seem to be able to "see" my ZIP or Jaz drives. What gives?

ANSWER: This is a very common problem caused by the fact that only Windows 3.1, Windows 95 and Windows 98 include built-in ASPI drivers. ASPI drivers are required to "connect" the Iomega ATAPI and SCSI drives to the ASPI SCSI programming interface used by our utilities.

If you are using an Adaptec brand SCSI controller you may download compatible ASPI drivers directly from the Adaptec Website. The file to be downloaded from that page is: ASPI32.EXE.

If you are using some other brand SCSI controller, or your drive has an ATAPI rather than a SCSI interface without any SCSI controller, you may contact our technical support department (http://www.grc.com/support.htm) to learn about the latest solutions.



[ 22. November 2004, 13:46: Message edited by: joseph ]

Nicky
22-11-04, 13:01
Hi Jo http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/wave.gif

"Doesn't work with XP" ? How do you know? Well, I am not 100%sure about it, but in the first page (http://www.grc.com/tip/clickdeath.htm), it says: Runs under Windows 95/98/NT

But why were you so sure the disk is dead, Nicky? Because it doesn't open, and it doesn't react :( I know the problem isn't of the drive itself, because it cooperates fine with the other zip disks. What re-inforces my suspicion is that the situation doesn't change after I restart nor after I turn off and on the PC again.

What does your quoted text from the FAQ want to say? I'm a bit lost :(

Joseph
22-11-04, 13:11
What does your quoted text from the FAQ want to say? I'm a bit lost Hi Nicky, http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/wave.gif You are right, if they all work except this one it is very likely it is dead.
Forget about my quote from their FAQ then, since your other zip disks work normally... :(
With so much important work on it, i would not give up yet. Why don't you sign in their newsgroup ? HERE (http://www.grc.com/cb-faq.htm) ...

Nicky
22-11-04, 13:16
This sounds like a good idea, actually http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/smile.gif Thankies, Jo - and for the moral support, as well http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/hug.gif

Nicky
22-11-04, 19:47
But unfortunately, there's no good. It seems that all sorts of recovering methods assume that the disk can be read. Whereas in my case, the zip cannot be read. I've been searching all afternoon, tried about five programs for recovering data from damaged disks, but they don't even find there's a disk in the drive.

I guess there's no other solution that to throw it in the trash can and forget about it http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/bash.gif

Joseph
22-11-04, 20:52
:( Nicky i assume you have hit and / or shaken the disc a few times firmly, like with an old radio or tv...?
I would break it open, try to put the disk in another case, at least i would try! http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/privateeye.gif

Nicky
22-11-04, 21:08
Yes, I did hit it, I slid the metal thing that's on top of it a few times back and forth, I even blew inside it in case there was dust blocking it http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif To be true, there was some tiny progress just now: I managed to right click on the zip icon and bring up its Properties menu, whereas yesterday or in the afternoon that was impossible. But that was all - none of the options there would work :rolleyes:

Now about breaking it open: suppose I do it; since there are no screws on its case, how can I unite the two parts together after I put it in a new case? :(

Here are two photos I took of its front and back:

Front (http://nicky.tombraiderforums.com/images/front.jpg)

Back (http://nicky.tombraiderforums.com/images/back.jpg)

PS. I'm a pain, I know :rolleyes:

[ 22. November 2004, 22:18: Message edited by: Nicky ]

Joseph
22-11-04, 22:08
It obviously is a mechanical problem. So try teflon spray, it is grease-less (no oil in it), a veryvery tiny bit ejected through the center-hole of the disc, many times shake again, put the disc in the fridge for an hour, then suddenly let it see the famous greec sunshine again (for contrast)... :(

Nicky
22-11-04, 22:29
Originally posted by joseph:
put the disc in the fridge for an hour, then suddenly let it see the famous greec sunshine again (for contrast)... :( Sounds like a recipe http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif

Teflon spray http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/smile.gif OK, I'll go on the hunt for it tomorrow. Although I must confess I have accepted the fact that the data most probably are long forgotten story already. Ι'll try that, but if there's no remedy, there are some alternative uses one can find for useless PC stuff:

How to fry an egg on XP (http://www.phys.ncku.edu.tw/%7Ehtsu/humor/fry_egg.html) :D :(

[ 22. November 2004, 23:30: Message edited by: Nicky ]

Joseph
22-11-04, 23:19
LMAO! :D Bom apetito. http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/wave.gif

Neteru
22-11-04, 23:34
At this late stage, I think I can now offer my suggestion for the disk: Emergency surgery. I can put you in touch with a couple of expert surgeons who I'm sure can fix your problem. I've seen the previous work of Dr. Hammer & Dr. Chainsaw, and they're pretty damn good at eliminating just the kind of problem you're having. :D

Nicky
22-11-04, 23:54
Obrigado, Jo :D (was this correct? :confused: http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif )

Net, the doc duo you suggest is just what I need http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/jumper.gif Especially at this time of night, when my Bonnie Parker side awakes :D http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif