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Yesterday I've installed a new processor into my PC (AMD AthlonXP 3000+), aswell as 512MB ram extra and a new 80gb harddisk. And to celebrate it all I've installed Windows XP (I've got a dual boot 98-XP now :D ). Everything works fine, except for the processor... when I check in Control Panel->System, it says that the processor is an AMD AthlonXP 1500+ instead of 3000+, does anyone know what's causing this? It's driving me nuts, now I have a new processor and it didn't help a thing :confused:
As for installing it, I did everything in the manual that came with the thingy... I removed the old processor and plugged in the new one. Does anything else need to be done, which isn't mentioned in the manual?
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What motherboard, Wizzkiddo?
Before upgrading the processor, it is important to know which processors the motherboard supports.
I did everything in the manual that came with the thingy... I removed the old processor and plugged in the new one. Was that the whole manual, Wizz? :D
Wizz. Joseph is right. For example some MBs support only AMD Athalon CPUs up to 2400+. (266Mhz FSB!) 3000+ has 333 or 400Mhz FSB!
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[ 12. February 2005, 12:44: Message edited by: Apofiss ]
My motherboard is an MSI KM4M-L (http://www.msi.com.tw/program/products/mainboard/mbd/pro_mbd_detail.php?UID=475)<- LINK, which supports processors up to AMD AthlonXP 3000+... so I don't think that's a problem.
EDIT - just wanted to say that my previous processor was an AMD Duron 1500+...
EDIT2 -
Originally posted by joseph:
Was that the whole manual, Wizz? :D More or less, and in 25+ different languages http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif
[ 12. February 2005, 12:58: Message edited by: Wizzkiddo ]
Hi Wizz http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/wave.gif Apofiss http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/wave.gif .
Also, if the new processor runs at a higher FSB speed (i guess it does) than the old one, you have to adjust the multiplier in the BIOS settings. Again: IF your motherboard supports this new processor. You check the exact type of your motherboard on their website. Read the specification detail about supported processors.
Theoretically, you can kill the processor by not changing the multiplier. Example: the new processor is 2Ghz and runs at 266 Mhz FSB, and the old one is a 1,2 Ghz with 133 Mhz FSB.
In that case, the old multiplier setting will still be at 9. (9 x 133 = 1197 Mhz).
After you built in the new processor, the multiplier must be changed to 7,5 (7,5 x 266 = 1995 Mhz).
[ 12. February 2005, 13:14: Message edited by: joseph ]
Aha! You see: your previous cpu was a Duron. They use lower FSB.
Go and look for the multiplier setting in BIOS, Wizz! http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/thumb.gif
Look HERE (http://www2.amd.com/us-en/Processors/TechnicalResources/1,,30_182_869_4348%5e7923,00.html?1091063312) for AMD Athlon XP Processor recommended motherboards.
I filled in: AMD Athlon XP 3000+ (400 FSB) - MSI - form factor: ATX.
Only 2 mobo's as Result: </font> K7N2 Delta (MS-6570)</font> Kt6 Delta</font>
Wizz, your new processor has a FSB of 400 Mhz.
[ 12. February 2005, 13:44: Message edited by: joseph ]
....But your motherboard, MSI-KM4M-L, says its: • VIA® KM400 Chipset
- Supports 200/266/333MHz front side bus
You see? :(
However, i just noticed there are 2 types (there is hope! :D ): </font> AMD XP Athlon 3000+ (400 FSB)</font> AMD Athlon XP 3000+ (333 FSB)</font>So, your motherboard with FSB max @ 333 Mhz, will not use the full potential of the new processor, if the processor works best @ 400 Mhz FSB.
You would be downgrading the processor on this motherboard.
Wich FSB version do you have, Wizz?
[ 12. February 2005, 13:35: Message edited by: joseph ]
AMD Athlon™ XP 3000+ (333 FSB) - compatible MSI motherboards:
</font> K7N2 (MS-6570)</font> K7N2 Delta (MS-6570)</font> KT4 Ultra ( MS-6590)</font> KT4V (MS-6712)</font> KT6 Delta</font>
Hmm... But what does this 'ATX' mean? When I select 'any form factor' with the 333 mHz front side bus (which is the one I have) it does mention my motherboard: KM4M-L http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/smile.gif
Oh - and if my motherboard isn't compatible with this processor, what would that mean? Does this mean that it can't use its full potential, or would it simply blow up?
Aha! Great, Wizz! You have a uATX motherboard. That is small size ("micro"). Great! :D
Form factor is the size of the motherboard, Wizz. You have a small size, a smart way to place the most important mobo elements on a smaller surface. Only 3 pci-slots, 2 Ram module slots.
The best equipped motherboards today, are still full size ATX.
I see your mobo's specifications are fine!
Nothing wrong with it, only small.
Now, let's try to get your processor working at full speed.
[ 12. February 2005, 14:04: Message edited by: joseph ]
...IF it is possible. uATX is for budget pc's. Just as the AMD Duron is an older budget processor.
But your mobo's specification clearly says: Supports up to Athlon™ XP 3000+ processor
• FSB@200/266/333MHz
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[ 12. February 2005, 14:10: Message edited by: joseph ]
Just downloaded your mobo's manual... http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/privateeye.gif
I see on THIS PAGE (http://www.msi.com.tw/program/products/mainboard/mbd/pro_mbd_cpu_support_detail.php?UID=475&kind=1) it is OK. http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/thumb.gif
Barton (0.13u) 166/333MHz FSB 512KB L2 Cache:
------CPU--------FSB--Ratio---Result
AthlonXP 3000+ --166--Auto ---OK
[ 12. February 2005, 14:26: Message edited by: joseph ]
Download the FULL manual for your motherboard and read it, Wizz! http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif Download here: http://www.msi.com.tw/program/support/manual/mnu/spt_mnu_detail.php?UID=475&kind=1
I have to go now, back later. http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/wave.gif
Wether it is the FSB333 or FSB400 model, go to your BIOS, put 166MHz on FSB, and set the multiplier on 13, to get 2167MHz frequency.
This is optimal for the FSB333 model.
If you have the FSB400 model, it means that it will be overclocked by 67MHz. This should compensate for the lack of the FSB400-support on your Motherboard. Don't worry, the CPU should support that much (or little ;) ). If you're too sceptical, you may want to put the multiplier on 12.5, and get 2083MHz, which is 2800+ level.
Make sure all your RAM modules are specified to support FSB333!
[ 12. February 2005, 15:09: Message edited by: Grandizer ]
Thanks a lot, Joseph and Grandizer http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/wave.gif
Grandizer, I'll try that out later, as I'm busy atm... but I guess it would work http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/smile.gif
Oh, and can someone tell me where I can find this multiplier thingy in the BIOS? I searched for something like that before, but couldn't find it http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/clown.gif
Depending on the manufacturer / version of the BIOS, it may be called other terms, but i just checked on my older PC (which has a MSI motherboard) with AMIBIOS Version 1,30. There you will find it under: "Hardware Monitor Setup".
-CPU Host Clock (Mhz) = 133
-CPU Ratio Selection = 5.5x
-CPU Vcore Selection (V) = Auto
You select the value and use the NumPad + and - keys to go up or down.
So, "-CPU Host Clock (Mhz) = 133" should become "-CPU Host Clock (Mhz) = 166"
The Ratio for your AMD Cpu should be on 'Auto' i think, as it says in the above tabel in my post. ('Ratio - Auto')
[ 12. February 2005, 15:49: Message edited by: joseph ]
OK, thankies http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/hug.gif
Well, in case he has the FSB400 model, putting the ratio on "auto" will most probably result in 10.5, which gives a frequency of 1750MHz only (2200+ level).
Well, I searched through the entire BIOS and could only find this: CPU Host/PCI Clock, which looked a bit like it. But, it only goes to 115 mHz for the FSB, and 38 mHz for the second thingy! And I haven't found anything to set the multiplier with... so I'm stuck again :( . I've already updated my BIOS, which didn't do anything.
Don't change the pci clock. This may cause the other components to go crazy.
It seems to be a jumper issue. You have to change the jumpers to the 166MHz position. It is on your manual on page 2-22.
And it seems like you can't change the multiplier on your bios, so it defaults to auto, which means if you have the fsb400 version of the processor, you'll be stuck at 2200+ level.
[ 12. February 2005, 19:43: Message edited by: Grandizer ]
DID YOU!?
Wizz. [1]After installing new CPU - did you replaced jumper in your MB to 'Clear CMOS' and then back to 'Normal' (defult)!? ...[2]and did you replaced jumper on your MB to 'defult' (100Mhz) and then back to (166Mhz)!?
[1]Jumper Settings for Clering CMOS Data
[2]Jumper Settings for Selecting the CPU's FSB
See all this in your MB's manual!
Originally posted by Grandizer:
It seems to be a jumper issue. You have to change the jumpers to the 166MHz position. It is on your manual on page 2-22.I did it!! :D !!
When I run CPU-Z now it says that the processor is an AthlonXP 2400+ running at 1950 mHz... good enough. Ahh, I can't say how thankful I am! All hail to Grandizer http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/thumb.gif ! (and to Joseph too, ofcourse http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/smile.gif )
Now I'll start saving for a new MoBo and Graph Card... http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif
I'm very glad for you, Wizz. http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/thumb.gif
What did you do to get 1950 Mhz? Did you push your FSB clock to 185MHz? I'm not sure wether this is a good idea, because your RAM modules may not cooperate well if they are FSB333 certified.
About saving for a new mobo: I don't think that's a good idea. You'll be buying a mobo just for this processor, and then when you want to upgrade again, you'll have to buy yet another mobo, since I don't know any mobo that accepts Athlon64 CPUs and old XP ones.
Wizzkiddo, if i were you i would buy this motherboard for your AMDAthlonXP64: [EDIT:i mean your AMDAthlonXP:]
</font> ASUS A7N8X (http://usa.asus.com/prog/spec.asp?m=A7N8X&langs=09) (buy it at Computerland: Asus A7N8X-X nForce2 LAN/Sound S462 € 65,- )</font> put a nice set of 333Mhz DDR modules on it (1024 MB)(Computerland:2x DDR 512 MB - 333 PC2700 A-Merk € 65,- = €130,-),</font> a real graphic card (Computerland: Club3D GF 6600GT AGP 128MB € 195,- ),</font> power supply (ToPower 450W 24P->20P 2Fan € 59,- ),</font> harddisk (you just bought one)</font> dvd-burner (Plextor -/+ R/RW 16x 716 W/B € 129,- )</font> floppydrive (Floppydrive 3,5" Zwart € 9,- )</font> in a Lian Li case ( Lian-Li PC61 Miditower Zwart Aluminium € 109,- ).</font>And put the old cpu back where it was, in your older pc.
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[ 13. February 2005, 22:22: Message edited by: joseph ]
Afaik, the asus a7n8x doesn't support Athlon64...
Link: > AMD Athlon™ XP Processor Recommended Motherboards (http://www2.amd.com/us-en/Processors/TechnicalResources/1,,30_182_869_4348%5e7923,00.html?1091063312) -Choose Processor:AMD Athlon™ XP 3000+(333FSB)/ Form Factor: ATX / Vendor: ASUS.
Wizzkiddo didn't mention 64 bit, my mistake i guess... http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/whistle.gif
[*edit: yes, my mistake. You assumed in your post that he would want to upgrade to a 64 bit cpu later. I just took over your description. http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/redface.gif :D ]
[ 13. February 2005, 22:25: Message edited by: joseph ]
Well, his situation is a little bit tricky you know.
If he saves for a new mobo designed for Athlon XP, he won't be able to upgrade the CPU anymore, since the fastest XP CPU is 3200+, something that he can reach easily by slightly overclocking his 3000+ model. And his graphics card will most probably be an AGP model. And next time he wants to upgrade, he would have to buy the whole set again: CPU+mobo+GC
If he is able to return his XP CPU, I would recommend to get a sockel-939 mobo for Athlon64, with an Athlon64 3000+ model, and a PCIe GC.
In a few years he will still be able to upgrade his CPU significantly (4000+ or higher), and upgrade his GC, without changing the mobo, since it already has a PCIe connector.
An alternative would be to return the 3000+ XP model he got (if possible), and replace it with the 3000+ model with FSB333. That way he won't have to get a new mobo for a while.
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Guess getting an athlon64 would mean changing the hard drive too, since athlon64 boards support S-ATA HDDs and he most probably bought a regular IDE model...
[ 13. February 2005, 23:22: Message edited by: Grandizer ]
Grandizer http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/wave.gif , next time he wants to upgrade, he would have to buy the whole set again: CPU+mobo+GC
Yes, that's what i meant Wizz should do right now. I think the cpu he just bought (and he himself ;) ) deserves a better motherboard.
In a few years he will still be able to upgrade his CPU significantly (4000+ or higher), and upgrade his GC, without changing the mobo, In a few years? Before end of this year we will see dual-core cpu's, it will become normal soon + completely new mobo's, with dual GC's ...
hehe, my thread has been hijacked http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif
Don't worry, I haven't got the money to upgrade anything else at the moment... it'll have to wait a year or so http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/smile.gif . And, I'm happy with what I have at the moment.
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