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CJ the Rad
05-10-05, 02:11
Dont get me wrong, AOD was a great game. Was, but its time to move on. I felt that way right after Kurtis was KILLED for the first time. Thats right KILLED. Hes dead. I know we all live in a fantisy world as it is but, get real, even fantisies have boundries. He and Lara are not geting busy with it and will not be haveing a baby comic or game,...ever! There is a new game comeing out with a better story line. A story line that is more true to Lara and true to Tomb Raiding to the roots. The first 2 games where the baise, the beging, the best. If you want to get hung up on a game or enthraled by an idea, do it in one of the good games. Just an opinion, hope I raise hell for speaking my mind though to be honest. http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/thumb.gif
Hello CJ the Rad http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/wave.gif Welcome to the forum
'Just an opinion, hope I raise hell for speaking my mind though to be honest.'
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lorien elf
05-10-05, 02:22
hehe, DREWY ditto. me thinks, or so I wonder. heh, this thread did turn out to be what I thought it'd be about. heh, well, I wouldnt call it being hung-up on AoD, I mean, usually they apply that to games and such that are kind of old? who cares really if we are still talking about it two years after? I'd kind of like that if I had made something and ppl liked it so much. ;) if ppl still talk about it, it means that it must have actually been a pretty good game. and I'll defend the storyline of AoD, I thought it was pretty damn good, and more realistic than some of the other things have been. yes, tis tomb raider and all but meh, depends on what one likes and believes in.
Kurtis died, sort of. they left that hanging, to see what fans would think of him. so my thought is that if ppl write about him and talk about him, they like him. so maybe if Core had been able to keep TR, that could have happened, that Kurty would live. It's the latest TR game, worth discussing, even up until this point, besides, we dont even know near enough about what Legend will be like so how can we even talk about it? we dont know what she's searching for, only that some rival will show up. so that means no storyline so far that we know of and we dont even know who the rival is, but that she is a female, right? meh, all we can do with Legend is speculate, and that gets old faster than does AoD, so I think.
oh yeah, by the way, welcome too, I'm still new here anyway. http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/smile.gif
[ 05. October 2005, 03:25: Message edited by: Limiel ]
Originally posted by CJ the Rad:
Dont get me wrong, AOD was a great game. Was, but its time to move on. I felt that way right after Kurtis was KILLED for the first time. Thats right KILLED. Hes dead.Kurtis' fate, deliberately left open for the planned AoD sequel, is officially forever in limbo. People can interpret it any way they like for themselves.
I know we all live in a fantisy world as it is but, get real, even fantisies have boundries. He and Lara are not geting busy with it and will not be haveing a baby comic or game,...ever! There is a new game comeing out with a better story line. A story line that is more true to Lara and true to Tomb Raiding to the roots.Whether Legend's storyline is better than AoD's is a matter of personal opinion. I doubt I'll like it any better, since I thought AoD's story was brilliant, although severely crippled by being half-finished on release. But I've been researching it for fanfic purposes, and the more I do the more I appreciate it.
The first 2 games where the baise, the beging, the best.I'm sorry?
If you want to get hung up on a game or enthraled by an idea, do it in one of the good games. Just an opinion, hope I raise hell for speaking my mind though to be honest. http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/thumb.gif I'm not quite sure what the point of your post actually is, but I don't think it's worth raising hell over.
Are you trying to sell Legend, or tell us to stop liking/discussing AoD? I'm continually surprised by the number of TR fans on these forums who seem to get really angry at the fact that Kurtis and AoD still have active fandoms. If you don't want to be privy to such things, you don't have to visit this section of the forums.
[ 05. October 2005, 03:28: Message edited by: Jordana ]
lorien elf
05-10-05, 02:29
hehe. agreed with everything that Jordana said. meh, not to be offensive man, but you just didn't like AOD, did you? or, are you secretly working for Crystal Dynamics, sort of promoting or trying to get back at Core? heh, partly am being silly, not to be mean. sorry. but I dont think that I'll ever stop talking about AoD. I'm just that way. even if tis annoying to some. there are other ppl who dont like to see others still interested in Kurtis and AOD? interesting.
I'll probably go on forever wondering what it is that Core left out, lol. http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/smile.gif ;)
badhairday
05-10-05, 03:13
Yeah I think Jordana's got a point there.
Me too Limiel.
You never know Kurtis might get his own spin off one day. He does have quite a dedicated fan base. Yes, mostly women but I know of quite a few males that would also be interested in Kurtis game.
lorien elf
05-10-05, 03:16
cool, that he does have a fan base. it just sucks that Core was criticized so. so it would be bad too if everyone hated Kurtis. hehe. good that a few males do like him. hey, if the AOD thing is picked up in a Kurtis spin-off, then I'm all for it! yay. hehe. http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/smile.gif
Catlantean
05-10-05, 12:54
Originally posted by CJ the Rad:
... hope I raise hell for speaking my mind though... Is this an attempt to troll? :confused:
[ 05. October 2005, 13:58: Message edited by: Catlantean ]
First, how do you know this story line will be returning to TR's roots? The game isn't out yet. Also, there will probably be a supernatural aspect to Legend as evidenced by the concept art and screenshots so far. And as for Kurtis being dead, he may not be. No, I'm not saying this because I am in love with him, it's because the creator of the game said so and I think he would know better than you or anyone else here. And as for being hung up on it, why not? It was the last TR game to come out, was pretty good imo and as for you hoping to raise hell http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/c-2.gif
Well, for me that two things are obvious:
1.- AOD was a GREAT game (for tme, the best of TR siege ;) )
2.- Kurtis is alive (that's no doubt about it, Core said it a long time ago, they said: " We are preparing Kurtis for the next chapter of AOD" I read it in a first notice, before the complicated affaire between Eidos a Core.) :D
[ 06. October 2005, 15:10: Message edited by: Putai ]
^ they also made it clear that if he sucked then he would count as dead.
and I quote-
"He's being considered for the second game...If he stiffs and people really hate him, potentially he could be dead"
Some people did 'really hate him' so does that mean he's dead on a technicallity?
No. As it has been said time and again Kurtis is left to your own personal imagination.
My personal belief is that he was killed by a gang of vicious sparrows that pecked him to death in a suitably gory display of feathered brutality.
People who hate Kurtis imagine him dead.
People who enjoy Kurtis's character imagine him as alive.
No person important enough has said 'Kurtis is DEAD', so he may well be alive. And the chirugai went in the direction of a dark black doorway and Lara smiles so obviously people are going to fantasize/imagine he is alive because all these are tell tale signs.
I'm not a hater, but im jot besotted with him. I'm on the fence I can complain about him and then write stories about him.
This is not having a go at you, just stating some things.
You are using Facts stated as opinion technique which is incredibly dangerous if you dont know what your up against.
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Originally posted by badhairday:
You never know Kurtis might get his own spin off one day. He does have quite a dedicated fan base. Yes, mostly women but I know of quite a few males that would also be interested in Kurtis game. He will get his own spin off, i have no doubt about it :D
Aline_Cedrac
07-10-05, 09:40
AOD! Just two words AMAZING and REVOLUTIONAIRE! the game engine really featured the game...also the whole game argument... really exciting! ;) I hope Legend goes well like Legend! Iīm sure Legend will be a second revolution to us...but I canīt hang anymore! grrr...I need Legend right now! ;)
Mmm... I amn not very excited with Legend. Believe me, I was looking forward to the second chapter of AOD... and I found this. :(
I hope that after Legend Crystal continue the AOD Trilogy.
fallen-angel
07-10-05, 17:17
During the 90's there was a wrestling organisation called Extreme Championship Wrestling, or ECW for short. It was a popular and controversial wrestling company, which ran from 1992 until early 2001. With a low budget and a small group of loyal wrestlers, it grew to the verge of superstardom. Unfortunately, due to lack of money and the inability to get proper advertising, they lost their slot on national television. They shortly went bankrupt and ECW died.
Four years on, people are still talking about it. ECW chants echo throughout wrestling arenas across the world, in honour of the brutal, hardcore style synonymous with ECW.
My point is: just because something is long gone, it does not mean people don't still remember and honour it. It doesn't mean that it doesn't still impact their lives. I think this philosophy fits perfectly with the impact AoD has had on me. I'm not being melodramatic here. I've met friends around the globe because of it. It's even indirectly led me to having the opportunity to get my work published. I don't think anyone has the right to write off this game.
Yes, you need to move on with the times, but that doesn't mean you don't remember the good things. You don't forget your old hometown or your old school friends. Just as I will never forget AoD.
Also, Kurtis is not dead, just like Jordana said. The developers are quoted as saying so: 'he could potentially be dead'. Note that word, and the fact he had a part written for him already.
Just my two cents http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/smile.gif
CJ the Rad
07-10-05, 19:58
Look, I like AOD just fine; it was a game and a Tomb Raider game at that. However, it wasnt the best of them. She left the tombs, spent countless levels on the streets of a broken (I have been there) city, which provided very little interest and followed an espionage story. Real fans started playing these games when they first came out and we know that these stories that have been concocted of late have nothing to do with tomb raiding. AOD could have been fantastic if say, she found the cask of the sleeper in Turkey, sending her to Paris and Prague to discover the monstrum and Eckhart.
Also, Legend is getting back to the roots and for anybody who thinks otherwise, go and play an espionage game and get off the Tomb Raider bandwagon. Tomb Raider should be in the TOMBS, where it and Lara belong.
She was to go back to the tombs in the continuing AOD storyline but they had to do the preliminary stuff in the first game. I thought it was kind of refreshing to get something more than duck under a bat, climb up stone blocks, jump left, jump right etc. And they had a few sequences for you such as the excavation sight.
lorien elf
08-10-05, 03:32
oh, so cool empills. I had wondered about that, about Lara going back to the tombs after AoD. and now what about that? heh, seems like Core was criticized too soon. and I have to agree very much so with the last thing that you said. that it was a bit refreshing to do something different. so true. I dont want to ignore it. or forget about it. it has actually had an impact on my life too, even though it is a game. I like too what Fallen Angel said.
CJ the Rad
08-10-05, 12:41
They have been doing new things seince the Cronicals (somewhat diasapointing) with the infiltration of a neuclear submarine and hideing in VonCroy industries. And as early as TombRaider 3 with the Area 51. I dont dock the bits in TR3 and well, TR2 did gointo a top secret oil rig but, it fit into the story. The Cronicals bits could have been anything. The only parts of AoD that I really like are the bits in the Hall of Seasons and the Vaults
badhairday
08-10-05, 17:33
Hello CJ! Have you been following her life? In the previous game she was buried alive in a tomb! Do you really think she is ready to jump right back into one right after a near death situation. NO! Her priorities have slightly changed for the time being. It's more realistic for Lara be a little traumatized after a situation like that. But as mentioned the next installment of the Angel Saga was to take place in Underground Turkey and Cappadocia as someone mentioned above.
I think Kurtis was going to be a big part in helping her restore her confidence. He was at that point the only person she could trust. I imagine having a partner like Kurtis, who she trusts, would help Lara get over her fear step by step.
Aline_Cedrac
09-10-05, 14:05
Thatīs right pals! I really agree with u Putai! Hope Crystal Dynamics hears us (unfortunately...they wonīt! grrr...). Legend is a very interesting new coming...but a second AOD would be great...continuing the whole story...what happen next to Lara enter the damn open black gate? Itīs what I would like to know...and Iīm sure our Kurtis is between us...heīs not dead...heīs not very alive...but heīs in our hearts and thatīs...what matters! ;)
lorien elf
09-10-05, 18:55
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Aline_Cedrac:
[QB]but a second AOD would be great...continuing the whole story...what happen next to Lara enter the damn open black gate? Itīs what I would like to know...
hahaha! so funny, agreed. though. I wish that CD would listen up, but they don't care, neither does Eidos.
oh, those are very good points badhairday. I wanted to go to Turkey so much. damn grave disappointment twas to be learning that we would not be. :( whole list of curses for that. but so true, that they really attacked Core too soon. what boogers. man, maybe they can make a game with Kurty where he goes to Turkey? that would be fantastic, should let Core do it if they'd wish. Eidos still doesnt care though what we'd want. :( *pout* *ahem* anyway, I think that's even better of a truth too badhairday, that Lara was indeed likely traumatized by her experience in Egypt so going back to tombs wouldnt be so pleasant an option right off. didnt ever think of Kurty being the one to help her through that though, kind of nice... ;)
oh, if there's anything to be tired of in the series, tis the older games, not that they're bad, just old by gaming standards, me thinks. http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/smile.gif
badhairday
09-10-05, 20:53
Originally posted by Limiel:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Aline_Cedrac:
[QB]didnt ever think of Kurty being the one to help her through that though, kind of nice... ;)
That's just speculation from what I know about the little glimpse given of the original plot.
lorien elf
10-10-05, 00:13
cool speculation though. hehe, that way, we would have seen them together some more. ;) http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/smile.gif it makes sense too by the way. if I may say so? http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/smile.gif
badhairday
10-10-05, 00:31
thank you!
GodOfLight
10-10-05, 00:46
how can anyone say it this point that legend will have a better storyline?? we dont even know anything proper about the elgend storyline!
raiderdguy
10-10-05, 01:25
originally posted by CJ the Rad:
He and lara are not getting busy with it and will not be haveing a baby we know that but cant we imagine?
CJ the Rad
15-10-05, 00:41
It seams as if some of you are forgetting that Lara, is not a reall person!!! Nothing you say or do will EVER change that. Of course life sucks after getting burried in a Tomb. But she doesnt have one does she. Being a superhero, if you will, gives her the opertunity to jump back with out haveing to take a breather. Makeing her so realistic dilutes our own realities and when you make a hero too realistic flaws shine through. Too many of these flaws were squezed out in AoD
Lost Angel 21
15-10-05, 01:18
Okay, listen, are u a hard core fan like some of these people? Or are u just here to flame people for their tastes? SO what if she's not real! Are people not allowed to attch themselves to character they like? Are we not allowed to imagine what could happen if Lara and Kurtis ever met again, like misterCroft said? (note that I'm not much a Kurtis fan myself but that's beside the point) And just being able to jump back and have a go at something that nearly killed you would scare the hell out of me. How about you, hmmm? The designers wanted her actions to be realistic, meaning that she couldn't go back because her tomb raiding nearly killed her. What realistic flaws? The fact that she saves the world doesn't make her a "super hero" as you put it. It just means she keeps it save using her mind and body, not superhuman strength or something.
badhairday
15-10-05, 01:55
Originally posted by misterCroft:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />originally posted by CJ the Rad:
He and lara are not getting busy with it and will not be haveing a baby we know that but cant we imagine? </font>[/QUOTE]Hehe. Yes we can, and have, and have written many fanfics about it!
MizzCroft007
15-10-05, 02:07
llalallala AOD was the best TOmb Raider game ever. IMO. Just my opinion yo. http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/whistle.gif
mau3genius
15-10-05, 04:27
1- AoD had a great (and I mean GREAT) storyline, very elaborated. I don't think TRL could be better in that point.
2-True to Raiding roots? Let's wait and see...
3-Kurtis is not dead, but he's not alive either. Who was gonna decide Kurtis' future? Core & Eidos.
4-First 2 games the best? Na-ah, I don't think so...
5-Every game is following the same type of story! Even if it's in the city, or in a tomb! Misteries are in everywhere. The games can't be only tombs tombs and tombs! That gets boring!
*Totally agree Aline, AoD wasn't completed, but it would be nice to see the Nephilim Race in Anatolia* http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/smile.gif
*EDIT: :D Sorry, is Cappadocia
[ 15. October 2005, 20:08: Message edited by: mau3genius ]
lorien elf
15-10-05, 06:14
Originally posted by mau3genius:
1- AoD had a great (and I mean GREAT) storyline, very elaborated. I don't think TRL could be better in that point.
2-True to Raiding roots? Let's wait and see...
3-Kurtis is not dead, but he's not alive either. Who was gonna decide Kurtis' future? Core & Eidos.
4-First 2 games the best? Na-ah, I don't think so...
5-Every game is following the same type of story! Even if it's in the city, or in a tomb! Misteries are in everywhere. The games can't be only tombs tombs and tombs! That gets boring!
*Totally agree Aline, AoD wasn't completed, but it would be nice to see the Nephilim Race in Anatolia http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/smile.gif Totally agree, for the most, sad but true, Kurtis' fate was up to Core and sadly so Eidos too. and Eidos decided. it's just going to be kept a secret. But yeah, we can't say anything about Legend, cause we dont know much of anything! http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/smile.gif hehe. but I so agree with the last you mau3genius and MizzCroft007, AOD was the best game. It was different from the previous games and I liked that. Also, the storyline was really great, very deep and elaborate, as you've said there.
badhairday, sorry, lol but I just have to try to be sure about something, did you mean 'thank you' in response to my post? sorry, cause I just wanted to say you're welcome if so. hehe, if not, sorry. it was just after mine, lol. I'm strange.
but anyway, back to topic. Kurtis wasn't all that bad, AOD had a great storyline that the others can't really compare to...I believe, the next best on is TR4, so that's really cool mau3genius that you say the first two weren't that great. I agree. I dont know what's so great about the first one, honestly. TR2 was my favorite until the fourth one. Besides, I mean, really no offense, but the next game hasnt come out yet, so it doesnt make much sense to think that fans should be over the game that was the LATEST release. not to be rude, just mean to emphasize that word a lil better.
you could say someone is hung up on TR4 or something older...which is what I could be if I kept on about how I hated that they made Lara get trapped under that tomb after how much we'd worked to try to get her out of there. ;) http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/smile.gif
"Who was gonna decide Kurtis' future? Core & Eidos."
nope.
CORE has smeg-all to do with the francise now. Eidos has overall control since they own ther rights.
Eidos may make the 'decisions' but that does not mean they will decide Kurtis's fate.
Why I could easily argue that the public desides his fate- just like they decide the fate of any other or idea product that companies decide to market.
Kurtis was deliberately left as an open end-
(gee, I'm getting tired of saying this)
-If the fans hated him he would be killed of, if they didn't then he would play a further part in the series.
Since the TR fans are split between hate him/don't care/love him NO-ONE has the power to 'difinitavely' declare he is dead or alive.
Putting it bluntly - Kurtis is not automatically alive just because we haven't seen an explicit 'death scene' yet.
Lost Angel 21
15-10-05, 13:12
Originally posted by CJ the Rad:
They have been doing new things seince the Cronicals (somewhat diasapointing) with the infiltration of a neuclear submarine and hideing in VonCroy industries. And as early as TombRaider 3 with the Area 51. I dont dock the bits in TR3 and well, TR2 did gointo a top secret oil rig but, it fit into the story. The Cronicals bits could have been anything. The only parts of AoD that I really like are the bits in the Hall of Seasons and the Vaults Look, it was to cater to everyone's taste. Some like Tomb Raider, but also like stealth games, so they had some sneaky-sneaky levels. And "people demanded more interaction with the enviroments" <that is a QUOTE from a magazine acticle my friend gave me on the game. the mag was published in 2003 unfortuatly, and that was before I knew about the trilogy being cancelled. Core did that in AoD to give people what they wanted, the whole thing with talking to people and all that. And SERIOUSLY stop critizing people. I get that enough at school. You don't really like AoD, that don't come here!
CJ the Rad
21-10-05, 19:23
I am a die hard Tomb Raider fan and I dont want to see it go to the dogs with this Kurtis Trent stuff, it makes Lara look week to be falling all over a man. She was created to be a strong female character in a hero dominated world.
If you dont think that the first two games were monumental steping stones in video game history then sorry but, you are ither two young to remember or too ignorant to care. They were the best because they had intense story lines with a stong self sufficent woman who knew how to do her job.
The real tomb raider "poser" if you will fans, are the ones who picked up on just AoD.
And to Lost Angel, still in school? Get into the reall world. People are always going to state their opinions and you will not always like what they are going to say. This a AoD forum section, my topic is realated to the area and if you dont like my opinion, dont come here. Mabye the title is bad but I was looking for people who are sick of this AoD and the path that the entire fransise has taken. Thats and opinion and you are going to have to deal with it.
lorien elf
23-10-05, 20:39
Crux2. yeah, I know all about that. but all the fans can say is if they like Kurtis or not, after that, Core would decide his story, know what I mean? like in keeping him that's up to the fans, I know Core did it that way on purpose. but afterwards it would have been up to Core and ultimately to Eidos, who made their decision anyway. tis sad is all.
Rad. I was a fan before AOD, but I do understand what you mean. but what if someone looks at it this way: that if AoD actually got TR fans, like new ppl to get interested in Lara, then perhaps there was something of the classic Lara in AOD that the old fans were familiar with and which managed to attract the newer fans? um, do you know what i'm trying to say? lol, I dont think tis clearly expressed what I typed but anyway, I found tr3 to be way more disappointing than AOD was. Core really had been trying to listen to the fans, so it seems. like Lost Angel pointed out. but with TR3 for example, it was just more of the same old in my opinion but not all that great. I dont know for sure now what disappointed me in that one but not even TR3 got great reviews from magazine editor ppl and that's a classic. AoD was a change, and I think, given enough time it could have been pretty good. I think Eidos should have allowed Core to do the next one, cause Lara was supposed to go to the tombs in that one. :(
CJ the Rad
23-10-05, 22:20
I know what ur saying Limiel, i get it. I just hate how the new people r trying to twist (and ultamitly ruin) Lara. I mean, she was good for (mostly) 5 games, she had a real change in the sixth. I understand that reall people have problems and life changing experiences but thats a really risky thing to put a vidio game character through. It payed off ( as far as getting new fans go.) and didnt (for some of the oldies, like me.)
I think that over all, Edios decided that Kurtis wasnt pop enoughf to keep on. He would be in the new one or he would have a spin off if they liked him enoughf. With no info two years on Kurtis, that means something to me. But, thats just what I think. I get that the open ending had a meaning, I just think that its been answered.
CJ the Rad
23-10-05, 22:21
I know what ur saying Limiel, i get it. I just hate how the new people r trying to twist (and ultamitly ruin) Lara. I mean, she was good for (mostly) 5 games, she had a real change in the sixth. I understand that reall people have problems and life changing experiences but thats a really risky thing to put a vidio game character through. It payed off ( as far as getting new fans go.) and didnt (for some of the oldies, like me.)
I think that over all, Edios decided that Kurtis wasnt pop enoughf to keep on. He would be in the new one or he would have a spin off if they liked him enoughf. With no info two years on Kurtis, that means something to me. But, thats just what I think. I get that the open ending had a meaning, I just think that its been answered. http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/smile.gif
CJ the Rad
23-10-05, 22:27
sorry about the two posts http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/jumper.gif
fallen-angel
24-10-05, 15:37
The way I see it, some of you may see Kurtis as being dead. Well good for you, but you can't change the fact that Kurtis is alive in other peoples' minds. So he will live on in one form or another http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/smile.gif http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif
*runs off to read/write Kurtis fanfic*
I agree, I don't think Kurtis fandom is going to go away any time soon, or Karel fandom for that matter http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif
Laras Backpack
24-10-05, 16:12
I think it's a testiment to Kurtis that he can provoke so many people's imaginations. Whether you like him or not you can at least respect that.
lorien elf
24-10-05, 23:00
OH yeah CJ, that whole issues and reality thing was a risk for Core in making AOD, so I think too. But I got over my own initial concerns about that. and then, I dont think it was all that bad at all, in the end. and yeah, I guess to the developers, Kurty is dead hehe but not to me and I certainly hope to see the Karel fandom live on for a few years, maybe decades, lol. ;) but anyway, regardless of Kurtis' following after AoD I dont expect that Core will do much of anything with him now, given the general overall criticism they received over AoD and of course they'd have to want to do it and Eidos would have to allow them...so I guess Kurtis lives on in the hearts of his fans. http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/smile.gif
CJ the Rad
25-10-05, 22:54
I refuse to see that Kurtis is still Alive. If you want to worship and think about a dead hero, good for you. And about the Karel fandom, that will live on, man that is so prevelent. I see it all the time and I cant stand it. I have enoughf dark suff in my life I dont need to cloud it up with some more. Thats just me though, some people need that stuff. They dont really bother me though.
Thats just me,
CJ the Rad
25-10-05, 23:12
This is in responce to an early one from Jordana that i was just reading and I guess I never catched this,
The first 2 games where the baise, the beging, the best.I'm sorry?
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R u even kiding me. I guess that ur a, sorry to say it (well, not really) a noob. You must have started playing with AoD because obviously you dont remember how monumental they were when they first came out. They were amazing and had Lara at her best. Their are still Bartoli and Natla cult followings today. I guess that you just have no idea what you are dissing because AoD will never compare with the universal love (for anybody who knew them when they first came out miss tinibopper)that was expressed for them. Their popularity was supream and the only thing that may ever redeam that is the posibul success of Legend but that has yet to be seen. I have hope but people like you, Jordana, are just depressing.
Originally posted by CJ the Rad:
I refuse to see that Kurtis is still Alive. If you want to worship and think about a dead hero, good for you. He's a fictional character, so strictly speaking he isn't dead OR alive, and he never was. We're just fans, that's all...same goes for Karel.
R u even kiding me. I guess that ur a, sorry to say it (well, not really) a noob. You must have started playing with AoD...
Er, no. As a longtime TR fan, I'd played all of the previous TR games through several times before I so much as laid hands on a copy of AoD. I love all TR games-it'd be very hard to pick a favourite because I've enjoyed playing all of them so much.
You misunderstood my earlier post. When I said "I'm sorry?" it was because I wasn't sure what you were actually saying due to your unique spelling. And that isn't meant to be nasty either, I just couldn't make the sentence out properly!
So you think the first 2 TR games are the best? Fair enough, but that's your opinion, and it's subjective just like everyone else's. I enjoyed TR3, 4 and 6 just as much, although I do think 5 was a weaker installment. But I'm not dissing any of the games (unlike certain people at Crystal Dynamics who seem to consider 2-6 not worth playing)
And come on, calling me a teenybopper? I'm 27! I was at university when the first TR came out, and the impact was not lost on me, I assure you.
[ 26. October 2005, 02:52: Message edited by: Jordana ]
lorien elf
26-10-05, 01:57
heh, that's all fine and dandy, CJ. I just don't understand the hostility regarding this game, I dont think it was so terrible or damaging to the series. Yes, they changed Lara a lot but that's what they're doing now at CD. I played all of the other games too and quite frankly, I was very disappointed with Chronicles. It was like only a filler, stuffed in there until maybe AOD came out. It wasn't a game in the sense that TR1 or TR2 had been. lol I didn't even know what a noob was.
Im just kind of suprised at your tone in the response given. the way I see things, the real world is dark and not some fuzzy happy place,(really just full of the lies and evil that can only come from the human heart). so that stuff with Karel...? meh, not that creepy. besides, it's ancient history, not something just made up on a whim so that TR can suddenly become some dark, creepy, morose exploration of the hellish side of Lara's life.
I just see myself as a fan of the Karel thing. and of Kurty as well. I mean, it's all just for fun or whatever on these sites and stuff. The only time I think of the guy is for fanfic/writing purposes. http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/smile.gif and I haven't done any by the way. but meh.
[ 26. October 2005, 03:01: Message edited by: Limiel ]
CJ the Rad
02-11-05, 22:53
Sorry Jordana. You just sounded like some noob who played the old games years after their initial realese and didnt see them for what they were.
And Limiel, I dont think the world is some happy fuzzy place. I get enoughf of that from the reall world. If you want to wrap every aspect of your life in a dark blanket, then thats fine for you I guess. I look for good, Im parinoid but, I dont want to deal with the dark any more. The world is a dark place, so why would you want to "excape" to a dark place?
Honestly I was more interested in AoD than now in Legend. Because, when I saw the first screenshots from AoD I tought:"Lara in the Louvre? Cased by police? Another playable character? Cool!" http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/jumper.gif
And now when I saw the first articles of Legend, I tought: "Another Tomb Raider game? Back to the roots? Maybe..." But mybe It's just me.
Back to Kurtis: My opinon, is that Kurtis is alive. And I don't say that, because I want him alive, i say it, because I think he's alive. But it's more fun writting story with him. If someone wants him alive write a story about his life! And if someone wants him death, It's Ok, write a story of his death. But this is only my opinon.... http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/wave.gif
Aline_Cedrac
03-11-05, 14:56
Yeah...Angel! ;) Thatīs me...Kurtis is immortal :cool: - Karel isnīt! ;) Like Winston said in Chronicles: "She will be forever in our hearts". ;) The same for Kurtis...heīs in my heart forever...He wants to live forever!!! ;) And I think heīll never die... http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/wave.gif
Karel is too immortal! :( :(
badhairday
03-11-05, 21:01
yeah! *Takes one for Jordy*
LOL!
Of course Kurtis is alive why would they have written another part for him. Duh! cuz he is alive!... And Karel too!
lorien elf
04-11-05, 00:01
Hell yes my Karel darling is hahaha, immortal!!!
Kurtis is still alive too. Because his churigai glowed in the end and that's that. hehe.
well, yeah, not that you do see the world as a happy place CJ but that well, I dont like to escape the evil world by delving into fuzzy happy stuff because I am not used to it and mostly it bothers me a bit more than does the "dark" stuff, so maybe that's why tis more attractive to indulge in such things. but I dont think AOD was all that dark. it could have been worse, like Resident Evil, not that that game sucks but tis kind of depressing in that there seems to hang over one's head this sense of ever-present unavoidable doom. I think. anyway. AOD's worth remembering, imo. and I'd like to keep it alive, even if that should happen only through fanfiction and the like. I do hope that Eidos can or will maybe possibly publish a book that would tell us the rest of the story. that should be possible, no? I think it would sell enough to make it worth it, since they pretty much already have the story planned out and written after AOD, right?
CJ the Rad
14-11-05, 23:33
Im gettin my self too worked up about this and I guess that if their was anybody out their who agreed with me, they wouldent look at my title. So, I guess I board, and busy...and...well...cease to care, so Im starting a blog, on my web sights about everything that concerns me. TR is just the begining. SO, I guess that this is the end of this, you guys can turn it into another "worship Karel and Kurtis" page. And just one more thing, Limiel, if you really understood what people are like, and really had the raw end of things, you wouldent think that, ( I dont really think AoD is dark ither but, it sounded like you did, whatever dark is to you ) but thats just an opinion, do whatever, this is the last time im posting here. It's sort of why I never got involved in forums befor, they suck 9/10 times.
These forums are pretty decent most of the time, but we've all got to live and let live, there's no point getting upset because other people's tastes in TR are different from yours.
Honestly, I seem to spend half my time here defending my or other people's points of view because someone else has been criticising them. It seems that it's a very prevalent tendency to regard that which doesn't appeal to you personally as being inferior somehow and in need of correcting.
Anyhow good luck CJ, stay happy and I hope you enjoy Legend.
lorien elf
15-11-05, 02:55
Heh, cool. I hope it's ok to say so but I'm glad you replied to this Jordana. I didn't know what to say, how to say it and I think you summed it all up very well and nicely. Thanks on behalf of the rest of us here. I just didnt realize that my opinions about Karel and Kurtie could actually be so offensive to someone else. Oh well.
Well for what is worth CJ, I agreed with a lot of what you said in your opening post. You did wish to 'raise hell' in your opening post after all.
I'm not a Kurtis fan so I don't frequent this area much - I suspect there are others like me too, but everyone has their own opinion. No point taking your bat and ball and going home because a few people don't agree with you. Post somewhere else on the forum, on different topics instead. Anyway, hope to see you around.
WUPPASS100
20-11-05, 14:26
i hate it when tomb raider games are unrealistic, wtf? i mean come on angel of darkness, im sorry to say was not tomb raider, there was knowwhere in that game where there were tombs or jungles! they mite of as well have called it, go to stupid places where you need to run from guys with plastic arms and big plants and bugs raider!!!!! i know im being harsh but core design and eidos could of come up with something a little more realistic, after all, the other games were great except for the graphics!!!
lorien elf
20-11-05, 23:02
Oh err, eeesh, I respect your opinion, luvkiller30 but meh, heh, actually it's odd, I see AOD as being a bit more realistic, at least in its story-it could happen. And the creatures that she fought? how are those any more unrealistic and our old foes the T-rex and the atlantis creatures and the yetis, etc? no offense. I just bet that for the fans who are displeased with the game now, they would have likely been impressed actually, had Core been given ample time to complete the game. I liked the places we went to, actually. And the tombs were to come next, in the sequel, I believe. Because Lara would have gone to Turkery,and seen the underground city... that would have been so awesome.
WUPPASS100
22-11-05, 14:44
yeh, its made me look at it in a differant point of view lol:P but i still think it can be improved but hey, want game cant lol:) oh well maybe legend, now that it has crystal dinamics workin it instead of core will be better, i like the new lara! so much less goth aka, big black eyes!!!!!lol:P
In relation to the title: Looking for an argument much!? http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/c-2.gif
lorien elf
22-11-05, 18:09
Heh, yeah, I suppose other games can be improved. I dont think that the people who worked on it in Core would want to re-do it now; they're probably glad that it's over. But if it had been given enough time so as to come out complete... http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/smile.gif I think it would have been great. Lol, yeah, the new Lara does look good, I like how CD has changed her, and it is kind of reminiscent of the old days when Lara looked kind of simple-ish. in comparison to the 'goth' look in AOD, which I actually liked. Heh, Angelus, the creator of this thread doesnt want to argue anymore. And I seriously thought we weren't arguing. Meh.
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